Escape Artists
The Lounge at the End of the Universe => Gallimaufry => Topic started by: oddpod on January 06, 2007, 09:58:26 PM
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so , first post on the random tosh thread!
to kick us off i thort we mite discus whats in your "zombie Apocalypse" survival bag
i am shore we all have one , stuffed under the bead ready for Z-day
so what are the top 3 things in youres , other than the standard gun,food and water?
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I actually have one left over from the Millenium. I have a wind up radio--no batteries required. I have a wind up flashlight, LED bulb should last forever, A minutes winding gives 2 minutes of light. And a case of Army MRE's.
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I, for one, will welcome our new zombie overlords.
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Is it politcally correct to call them Overlords? I know Masters is out. Maybe it should just be friends.
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Is it politcally correct to call them Overlords? I know Masters is out. Maybe it should just be friends.
I think "Zombie Rulers" will work just fine.
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Seeing as I'm holing up in a concrete bunker I'm packing "Kung Fu Fighting", "Carcassonne", and "Catolpoly" ( a Monopoly variant).
Boardgames - Food - Gun - Water - Plenty of time, sounds like heaven.
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I don't think that a survival bag would help me... I'm what you could think of "red shirt #2". So I'd be the second one to die in the revolt, probably by friendly fire. (I don't like being first) :-)
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A group of friends and I had this talk a few years ago. The whole "What if.... zombies?" thing, and I'm afraid it's only escalated since then. Now we have Zombie Preparedness Dinners. We, ‘the survivors,’ gather at a central location (whomever's house has the biggest TV/most comfortable couches/best food) to cook dinner, review various documentaries and archival footage of other zombie invasions, and plan. We have weapons caches, supplies, rally points, and lists.
My zombie bag:
H&K 12ga. shotgun (and 36 rounds ammo: 12 shot, 24 slug)
4 D-cell LED Maglite
Bilge pump with 15' of hose (why? Because when the power goes out you'll have to get the gas from the filling stations somehow)
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A group of friends and I had this talk a few years ago. The whole "What if.... zombies?" thing, and I'm afraid it's only escalated since then. Now we have Zombie Preparedness Dinners. We, ‘the survivors,’ gather at a central location (whomever's house has the biggest TV/most comfortable couches/best food) to cook dinner, review various documentaries and archival footage of other zombie invasions, and plan. We have weapons caches, supplies, rally points, and lists.
That. Is. So. Cool.
In a totally frightening way.
[scribbling down notes for the next get-together]
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[scribbling down notes for the next get-together]
List of Useful Lists:
Rally Points - where to meet & where to meet if you missed the first boat
Codes & Signals - you don't want to other survivors knowing that you have supplies, but you need to let others know you've been there.
Skills - who can cook? who can make clothes? who knows edible plants?
Weapons/Equipment - "the fun list"
Escape Routes - know where your urban centers are, know where evacuees will run
Resources - Repair shops, vehicles, knowledgeable people
Expendables - who you don't bring with you ("the mean list")
Contingency plan
Contingency plan "B"
Contingency plan "B" contingency plan
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No, man, you bring the expandables with you. Then you shoot them in the knee and run whenever you need to buy some time.
I'm packing a hunting rifle, a mace, MRE's, a water purifying kit, water-resistant clothes, two pairs of socks, half a pack of cigarettes, a full tank of gas, and I'm wearing sunglasses.
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What kind of mace?
As a suggestion, you might want to avoid anything with big spiky hooks. Though cool looking, and effective at dashing brains, they do tend to get tangled in things.
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What kind of mace?
As a suggestion, you might want to avoid anything with big spiky hooks. Though cool looking, and effective at dashing brains, they do tend to get tangled in things.
In our Call of Cthulhu (pen & paper RPG) games, shovels were usually de rigeur for exactly this purpose.
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in WW1 the "trenching tool" was weapon of chose for many a Tommy
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You know, I haven't made up a comprehensive plan yet for a zombie attack, but I do know that I'll be carrying this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/67625811@N00/156377265/in/set-72157594156695315 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/67625811@N00/156377265/in/set-72157594156695315)
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Nice!
(you know she'll get heavy after a while, right?)
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Nice!
(you know she'll get heavy after a while, right?)
I was there. J.R. is quite capable of carrying herself. >8->
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I was there. J.R. is quite capable of carrying herself. >8->
OH! Sorry J.R. I didn't realize you were the model in question.
For what it's worth, I've got one of these:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/Thudd/Zom-B-Gone5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/Thudd/Zom-B-Gone3.jpg)
It's about 4' long with nails in the head and a pommel spike. I made it from a 2X6 and some nails as a white elephant gift with a tag saying "In zombie infested lands, this may be your best friend." The intent was to use it to nail your door shut, but I had a better idea. ; )
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I was there. J.R. is quite capable of carrying herself. >8->
OH! Sorry J.R. I didn't realize you were the model in question.
For what it's worth, I've got one of these:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/Thudd/Zom-B-Gone3.jpg)
It's about 4' long with nails in the head and a pommel spike. I made it from a 2X6 and some nails as a white elephant gift with a tag saying "In zombie infested lands, this may be your best friend." The intent was to use it to nail your door shut, but I had a better idea. ; )
The problem with the nails is they get stuck and you waste time trying to get your weopon unstuck. It's OK if you are only fighting one and your first hit scores, but otherwise it's trouble.
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The problem with the nails is they get stuck and you waste time trying to get your weopon unstuck. It's OK if you are only fighting one and your first hit scores, but otherwise it's trouble.
Also, are those em or en dashes? And if there were supposed to be quotation marks around it, I'm not seeing them. Could be a character set problem. >8->
(Seriously, though, cool idea!)
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Yeah, that and it's made out of pine. : )
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its very nice , but a genuin criket bat will have more stoping power!
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Is it politcally correct to call them Overlords? I know Masters is out. Maybe it should just be friends.
To speak with Jonathan Coulton: "Did I say Overlords? I meant Protectors!"
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I'd put in an extending police baton, my Eton (http://www.amazon.com/Eton-FR300-Emergency-Metallic-Silver/dp/B0006G0II2/sr=8-1/qid=1170944351/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-2462628-1150037?ie=UTF8&s=electronics), and a multi-tool.
I know the ZSG says to take a crowbar - but they're too heavy and not compact enough. I'd rather carry two extra batons or something.
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Nice!
(you know she'll get heavy after a while, right?)
I was there. J.R. is quite capable of carrying herself. >8->
Why does everyone think I'm a man?
Do I need to put more ribbons in my hair? Because goddamnit, if that's what I have to do, I'll do it. (No I won't)
:-)
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Maybe if your icon photo didn't look like River? ; )
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Maybe if your icon photo didn't look like River? ; )
My icon looks like River? Thats a picture of me I took about two weeks ago.
Really, looks like River? Hm.
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Actually, now that he mentions it, I totally see it.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/Nevernaut/serenity4.jpg) (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/Nevernaut/mae.jpg)
And here I thought you just reminded me of Gina Torres.
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The distinction is clearer in the large format of the photo, though there is still a similarity.
I think it’s how the light highlights your lips and forehead.
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Nice!
(you know she'll get heavy after a while, right?)
I was there. J.R. is quite capable of carrying herself. >8->
Why does everyone think I'm a man?
Do I need to put more ribbons in my hair? Because goddamnit, if that's what I have to do, I'll do it. (No I won't)
:-)
It's the whole initial thing. It's a whole stereotype thing. Women don't normally use initials.
J.K.Rowling used her initials, because the publisher didn't think young boys would by a book written by a woman.
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It's the whole initial thing. It's a whole stereotype thing. Women don't normally use initials.
?!
C.J. Cherryh, C.L. Moore, P.D. James, E. Nesbit, L.M. Montgomery, A.S. Byatt, S.E. Hinton, M. Rickert, M.K. Hobson...
In modern times I'd say it's at least as common for women authors to use initials as men, although frequently for different reasons.
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It's the whole initial thing. It's a whole stereotype thing. Women don't normally use initials.
?!
C.J. Cherryh, C.L. Moore, P.D. James, E. Nesbit, L.M. Montgomery, A.S. Byatt, S.E. Hinton, M. Rickert, M.K. Hobson...
In modern times I'd say it's at least as common for women authors to use initials as men, although frequently for different reasons.
Writing may be one of the fields where it's close, although I bet we can probably come up with more men than women. But most of these women are generally assumed by the lay public to be men at first.
In my personal life, for example, I have never been introduced to a woman who used her initials, but I'd say 1-3% of the men I meet go by their initials (25% of the Texans). This is only true, in my experience, in the states. I've never met a non-American who went by their initials.
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Nice!
(you know she'll get heavy after a while, right?)
I was there. J.R. is quite capable of carrying herself. >8->
Why does everyone think I'm a man?
Do I need to put more ribbons in my hair? Because goddamnit, if that's what I have to do, I'll do it. (No I won't)
:-)
Let me pay the part of the old pig here...
When I first noticed your name, I assumed it was a pen name, not your real name. To me, "J. R. Blackwell" sounds not only like a guy's name, but a tough guy's name.
"Who's that tall stranger that shot up all them bandits?"
"That there's the new marshal, J.R. Blackwell."
Also, with the little portrait on the side, enough detail is lost (to my old eyes, anyway) that the gender of the person in the picture is not clear. Now, the big version of the picture you posted - obviously, that's a woman.
btw, that is a really cool picture.
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Writing may be one of the fields where it's close,
Writing is the context here.
although I bet we can probably come up with more men than women.
In the last fifty years? You're on. I'll drop E. Nesbit and L.M. Montgomery from the list because they were early twentieth century writers, when everybody was using initials; the rest of them are relatively contemporary.
That's seven women. Now you name eight men. Anyone else can join on either side. >8->
But most of these women are generally assumed by the lay public to be men at first.
And intentional gender ambiguity is one reason why women use initials in writing. Sure. The statement I disagree with is that "women don't normally use initials." In the context appropriate to this discussion and this community, i.e. literature, we both seem to agree that they do it at least nearly as often as men. Is that correct?
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Ok, in reality, it's because you didn't say "I'm a woman" in any of the posts I’ve noticed, and because you said you were a photographer. You have a studio portrait of an attractive woman for your icon, so I figured you were just showcasing some of your art (which you were) not posting a photo of yourself (which it was).
Straight up sexism. : )
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maybe its because ive associated her voice with the name ever since the first episode of Voices of Tomorrow, but i dont think J.R. Blackwell as a man's name... (tho that skit with the sheriff was funny)...
either way it seems like "the end has come" for this topic... :P
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Writing may be one of the fields where it's close,
Writing is the context here.
No, Screennames is the context here.
although I bet we can probably come up with more men than women.
In the last fifty years? You're on. I'll drop E. Nesbit and L.M. Montgomery from the list because they were early twentieth century writers, when everybody was using initials; the rest of them are relatively contemporary.
That's seven women. Now you name eight men. Anyone else can join on either side. >8->
But most of these women are generally assumed by the lay public to be men at first.
And intentional gender ambiguity is one reason why women use initials in writing. Sure.
Also I said normally. I NEVER SAID ALL!!! If you come up with seven names out of thousands and admit they were after sexual ambiguity, you have proved my point.
As far as the avatar goes, I noticed it to be a very attractive woman, but since J.R. had previously said she takes pictures of attractive men and women, I thought it was just one of her shots and not a self-portrait.
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either way it seems like "the end has come" for this topic... :P
Yes. Right. Zombies.
Assuming that all official communication channels are down (TV & radio stations, cell phones, news papers, the internet, etc), how will you contact the others in your group?
How about when the power grid goes down?
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how long will it take for things to stop working?
if all the telecommunication workers walked away from there posts how long till the phones stop working?
will abandoned power stations keep chugging away for a few days , go dead or blow up if unattended?
what about gps navigation, the satellites Will be fine i assume but as there a ground based link in the Chane?
all so , how long dose tined food actual last? i assume the expiry date on tined foods is ower dead line for having self sufficient farming up and running
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how long will it take for things to stop working?
if all the telecommunication workers walked away from there posts how long till the phones stop working?
will abandoned power stations keep chugging away for a few days , go dead or blow up if unattended?
what about gps navigation, the satellites Will be fine i assume but as there a ground based link in the Chane?
all so , how long dose tined food actual last? i assume the expiry date on tined foods is ower dead line for having self sufficient farming up and running
I don't have any numbers on these, and have always wondered about them myself.
I suspect the phones will keep working as long as the power does, but EVERYONE will be tying them up, so the odds of getting a call thru would be pretty bad, but not impossible. I think voice mail will be where it's at.
I think satellites will work as long as the phones do, and I think that the power grid will stay up for maybe a month if unattended. But I have no experience in any of those fields.
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how long will it take for things to stop working?
if all the telecommunication workers walked away from there posts how long till the phones stop working?
will abandoned power stations keep chugging away for a few days , go dead or blow up if unattended?
what about gps navigation, the satellites Will be fine i assume but as there a ground based link in the Chane?
all so , how long dose tined food actual last? i assume the expiry date on tined foods is ower dead line for having self sufficient farming up and running
I don't have any numbers on these, and have always wondered about them myself.
I suspect the phones will keep working as long as the power does, but EVERYONE will be tying them up, so the odds of getting a call thru would be pretty bad, but not impossible. I think voice mail will be where it's at.
I think satellites will work as long as the phones do, and I think that the power grid will stay up for maybe a month if unattended. But I have no experience in any of those fields.
I believe the satelites are pretty self-sufficient and as far as I know require no real ground element. I think power for the handheld units will be a problem far sooner.
Dole ( or one of the other big fruit canners) opened up some 30 year old cans of fruit and tested them in the early 90's. They said it was the same as if the fruit had only been canned for a year.
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Actually, satalites need some attending to, although how much depends on how low their orbits are.
They need people to start their rockets just a bit in certain directions, to keep the satalites from falling.
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It depends on your ZCS*, but it may not be that bad. If we are going with Venusian Radiation from Night of the Living Dead, then I don't see too many zombies. Most of the EDs** are boxed up. The NDs*** would take their toll at first, but once Ls**** figured out what was going on, I think they could be dispatched pretty easily. Great movie, but not particulary realistic.
If you are talking about a 28 Days Later (technically not zombies) situation, then you would have a problem because they are so much faster and more aggressive. It this case you would have a hard time defending yourself with just a bat. You need to get holed up somewhere and fast.
Either way, a boat is key. Many marinas have boats anchored to fixed positions out in the water. Be the first at the marina. You could swim to a boat, and with any luck the owner (whom you might have to kill) would have some supplies because he would use the boat for trips. Get a sail boat and you have unlimited travel to find a ZFI*****. I think with enough time you could learn to sail. I'm trying to remember if the zombies swam in Land of the Dead. But you could rig a boat to make it impossible to climb into without a ladder.
*Zombie Creation Scenario
**Existing Dead
***Newly Dead
****Living
*****Zombie Free Island
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Actually, satalites need some attending to, although how much depends on how low their orbits are.
They need people to start their rockets just a bit in certain directions, to keep the satalites from falling.
Sorry for not being specific. I was only referring to the GPS satelites. They are in Geostationary orbit (about 35,000 km). Satelites that high rarely need to be nudged back into place. By the time that was a problem I think we'd be out of batteries for the GPS handhelds.
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Actually, satalites need some attending to, although how much depends on how low their orbits are.
They need people to start their rockets just a bit in certain directions, to keep the satalites from falling.
Sorry for not being specific. I was only referring to the GPS satelites. They are in Geostationary orbit (about 35,000 km). Satelites that high rarely need to be nudged back into place. By the time that was a problem I think we'd be out of batteries for the GPS handhelds.
Somewhere I saw a solar powered battery charger. IIRC, It charged a pair of AA's in about 8 hours. I plan on getting a few of those. I already have about a dozen rechargeable AA's - and 4 wind up lights.
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Actually, satalites need some attending to, although how much depends on how low their orbits are.
They need people to start their rockets just a bit in certain directions, to keep the satalites from falling.
Sorry for not being specific. I was only referring to the GPS satelites. They are in Geostationary orbit (about 35,000 km). Satelites that high rarely need to be nudged back into place. By the time that was a problem I think we'd be out of batteries for the GPS handhelds.
Somewhere I saw a solar powered battery charger. IIRC, It charged a pair of AA's in about 8 hours. I plan on getting a few of those. I already have about a dozen rechargeable AA's - and 4 wind up lights.
If it charges NiMH batteries, PM me a link when you find it.
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So, where do you think they will come from?
Asia? The sewers? The government?
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So, where do you think they will come from?
Asia? The sewers? The government?
Definately, from a lab researching intelligent design.
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Definately, from a lab researching intelligent design.
Ha!
Of course, if intelligent design could be "researched" it wouldn't be such a problem for the scientific community. (Hmmm, there may be a story idea in that...)
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So, where do you think they will come from?
Asia? The sewers? The government?
Definately, from a lab researching intelligent design.
The over worked lab tech will have used the Kansas equivalent of Pi to vary the DNA refractor's stabilization field, creating an irrational mutation in the Darwinian calculations, but he'll have been too distracted by American Idol 64 to notice in time.
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I dont' think the thread was zombie specific - though speaking of that Marvel Comics had a great miniseries of the mulitverse world where the zombie virus took over everyone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Zombies
So what about giant asteroids?
I have windable flashlight/radio combo.
Shovels - for hitting and digging.
Books on how to do stuff.
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So, where do you think they will come from?
Asia? The sewers? The government?
Definately, from a lab researching intelligent design.
The over worked lab tech will have used the Kansas equivalent of Pi to vary the DNA refractor's stabilization field, creating an irrational mutation in the Darwinian calculations, but he'll have been too distracted by American Idol 64 to notice in time.
This should be it's own thread - what a funky idea. However, there have been attempts - seriously. They try to scientifically prove how evolution cannot actually work.
There have been other, less rigorous attempts as well - check out objective.jesussave.us/creationsciencefair.html - right now someone has a re-direct. But try to visit it, and if you get in....be scared.
Here is a synopsis:
"The purpose of the Fellowship Baptist Creation Science Fair is to get kids excited about Creation and motivate them to discover the truth of our Lord on their own."
Winning exhibits this year include "My Uncle Is A Man Named Steve (Not A Monkey)", "Women Were Designed For Homemaking", and "Using Prayer To Microevolve Latent Antibiotic Resistance In Bacteria".
This was my absolute fav:
Patricia Lewis (grade 8 ) did an experiment to see if life can evolve from non-life. Patricia placed all the non-living ingredients of life - carbon (a charcoal briquet), purified water, and assorted minerals (a multi-vitamin) - into a sealed glass jar. The jar was left undisturbed, being exposed only to sunlight, for three weeks. (Patricia also prayed to God not to do anything miraculous during the course of the experiment, so as not to disqualify the findings.) No life evolved. This shows that life cannot come from non-life through natural processes.
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So what about giant asteroids?
I still would want a sailboat.
I have windable flashlight/radio combo.
Shovels - for hitting and digging.
Books on how to do stuff.
Stuff like world building, character creation, getting past the slush pile, avoiding copyright problems, that kind of thing?
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I have windable flashlight/radio combo.
Shovels - for hitting and digging.
Books on how to do stuff.
Stuff like world building, character creation, getting past the slush pile, avoiding copyright problems, that kind of thing?
Absolutely - I will rule the literary world of our zombie masters.
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Zombie Flash Fiction Constest!
- Entries must be no longer than one(1) word.
- Entires must contain the word "brains."
- It will take about a month and a half of voting to decide the winner.
- Good Luck!
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Zombie Flash Fiction Constest!
- Entries must be no longer than one(1) word.
- Entires must contain the word "brains."
- It will take about a month and a half of voting to decide the winner.
ItwasadarkandstormynightBRAINSsuddenlyashotrangoutBRAINSohnoitsaraygunBRAINSBRAINSbutttheyweresavedbyBRAINSandtheyallshambledhappilyeverafterBRAINS.
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Definately, from a lab researching intelligent design.
Ha!
Of course, if intelligent design could be "researched" it wouldn't be such a problem for the scientific community. (Hmmm, there may be a story idea in that...)
Their "research" always has the feel of the kid, who broke the window, trying to come up with a good excuse.
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Zombie Flash Fiction Constest!
- Entries must be no longer than one(1) word.
- Entires must contain the word "brains."
- It will take about a month and a half of voting to decide the winner.
ItwasadarkandstormynightBRAINSsuddenlyashotrangoutBRAINSohnoitsaraygunBRAINSBRAINSbutttheyweresavedbyBRAINSandtheyallshambledhappilyeverafterBRAINS.
LittlejackhornersatinacornereatinghisfathersheadhestuckinhisthumbandpulledouthisBRAINSandsaidmhrrrr!!
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I dont' think the thread was zombie specific - though speaking of that Marvel Comics had a great miniseries of the mulitverse world where the zombie virus took over everyone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Zombies
So what about giant asteroids?
I have windable flashlight/radio combo.
Shovels - for hitting and digging.
Books on how to do stuff.
Wow! That looks awesome, I'll have to get a copy of the series.
I don't know if there is anything to be done in the face of an asteroid, other than make peace with your dear and fluffy lord. Unless we're talking about giant meteorites (smaller than asteroids), in which case we go to the "nuclear winter" plan... which for me looks a lot like the zombie plan, but with less agriculture.
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My weapon of choice for Zombie Hordes is a cutlass, much like a cross between a sabre and a machete.
Features:
- The slashing action of a sabre combined with the chopping of a machete. You do need to be able to lop heads and limbs off, because thrusts (as with a rapier) do no good against a foe that is already dead.
- Relatively higher mass as swords go, but not as heavy as, say, a flanged mace or a bardiche. You will have to carry this everywhere you go, but you still have to be able to cut or break bones and vertebrae (not just muscle and blood vessels).
- No ammo to have to carry or (more importantly) obtain.
- It should not easily become stuck in skulls or ribcages (like a spiked warhammer or board-with-a-nail-in-it)
- If they grab at it, they'll merely lose a few more fingers and you've got your weapon back.
- It's short enough to swing or thrust in close quarters or in confined spaces. Unlike a halberd or partizan, because everybody knows (right?) that the way to take down a single fighter with a polearm is to get in close.
- If they do get really close, you can block and punch with the basket hilt (wide knuckle guard).
- You can use it to chop firewood or cut branches to build a perimeter wall of outward-pointing stakes.
Remember, the Undead Menace cannot feel pain, so chemical repellants or Tasers will certainly not work.
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My weapon of choice for Zombie Hordes is a cutlass, much like a cross between a sabre and a machete.
Good logic. But why not a katana?
In fact, it occurs to me that zombies may be the real reason for the Japanese art of Iaido -- drawing the sword, slicing through one's opponent, wiping the blood off, and then replacing the sword in a single motion -- as demonstrated by this guy I think we know (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-rWVXSm3_c). >8->
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My weapon of choice for Zombie Hordes is a cutlass, much like a cross between a sabre and a machete.
Good logic. But why not a katana?
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You would probably need a good quality Katana, which are harder to come by than the wall-hangers you usually see in pawn shops.
Plus I'd like the full basket hilt for hand protection and punching, rather than a teeny little tsuba. One of the reasons cutlasses were popular back in the day was because they required less training to use effectively than a more sophisticated weapon. I think that katanas have aquired this glow of preternatural powers only in recent years from people watching too many Asian martial arts movies, and many European weapons are just as good.
Besides, carrying a katana around in public makes you look like some kinda trailer-trash ninja wanna-be whacked out on PCPs. See this collection of news items - http://www.thearma.org/essays/Fringe.htm - and note how many of them involved katanas.
Now, if you had the full samurai armour, that's a different story. That'd be cool.
...drawing the sword, slicing through one's opponent, wiping the blood off, and then replacing the sword in a single motion...
But ... zombies come in hordes. ::) No time to replace the weapon.
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My weapon of choice for Zombie Hordes is a cutlass, much like a cross between a sabre and a machete.
Good logic. But why not a katana?
Reason being a katana has been over glorified thru films and media to be the ancient ninja light saber.
The truth is they are a highly specialized tool meant for slicing, but function poorly for any other purpose... which includes poorly aimed chops, cutting thru armor, or deflecting blows. Because of their unique design they are long and thin, and because of the unique hardening process used they are very hard, but also rather brittle. This means that if your strike is even a little flat the blade can snap side ways.
There's also the myth that Katanas (and all other Japanese swords) can cut anything, including other swords. In an edge-on perfect strike against a sword, that is at least two Rockwell points (a measure of hardness) less, a katana can split it like wood. But the same can be said if the materials or harness are reversed.
Another down side of "ninja" swords, is their lack of mass. Their cutting prowess is based around their sharpness and the abilities of their owner, which is no small reason for the constant training of those who use them. European blades have weight behind them that help overpower defenses, sever limbs, and allow some abuse.
Oh, Planish, good link.
Been chuckling for hours!
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Besides, carrying a katana around in public makes you look like some kinda trailer-trash ninja wanna-be whacked out on PCPs. See this collection of news items - http://www.thearma.org/essays/Fringe.htm - and note how many of them involved katanas.
We're talking about a world populated by zombies and survivors who will probably be fighting each other for supplies almost as much as they're fighting zombies. I'm not sure looking like a nutcase is a downside.
Anyway, I agree about katanas being hyped up in pop culture. (Pulp Fiction certainly set it in stone.) I was actually trying to think about it in practical terms: lots of slicing, nice and long to keep their infected fingernails away from you. T's point about hardness is valid, but you're not going against metal, just necrotic flesh. The research material shows us that limbs and heads tend to come off of zombies very easily. >8->
As for fighting hordes, well, neither firearms nor melee weapons will help you there. At that point it's down to flamethrowers, explosives, and the terrain. (And keep a grenade or bomb on yourself, so that when the numbers eventually overwhelm you you can take a final few out and not become one yourself.)
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...and not become one yourself.)
Has anyone really considered the downside of being a zombie? In the aforementioned Marvel Zombies series, the only problem seems to be the eternal hunger - but other than that, you could get alot done as a zombie. There is also that new film, Fido. Seems to me you could be a fairly productive member of society with a little help ;)
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...and not become one yourself.)
Has anyone really considered the downside of being a zombie? In the aforementioned Marvel Zombies series, the only problem seems to be the eternal hunger - but other than that, you could get alot done as a zombie. There is also that new film, Fido. Seems to me you could be a fairly productive member of society with a little help ;)
If I remember my documentaries well, they are in constant anguish and pain, and only BRAAAAAINS will dull their cravings.
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...There's also the myth that Katanas (and all other Japanese swords) can cut anything, including other swords. In an edge-on perfect strike against a sword, that is at least two Rockwell points (a measure of hardness) less, a katana can split it like wood. But the same can be said if the materials or harness are reversed. ...
Mythbusters did a thing with several sword vs. sword combinations. Wikipedia summarizes:
Myth: "The Count of Monte Cristo: A sword can cut off the blade of another sword."
A genuine Japanese-constructed katana did slice through the replica stainless-steel sword. It also broke another genuine sword, but this break was caused by stress fracturing rather than being cut through.
Katana vs. Rapier: Rapier was bent into snapping, but not cut.
Claymore vs. Katana: Katana flexed but didn't break.
Claymore vs. Viking sword: Viking sword severely nicked the Claymore. In the end, though some swords managed to break the other, none were able to actually cut through another sword.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MythBusters_special_episodes
I saw that episode, but I don't recall if they took care to make sure that the blade-to-blade contact was made at the percussion points of both blades. That's sort of the "sweet spot", which depends on the distribution of mass along the length of the blade.
I also don't recall exactly which sword was swung by their machine, and which was clamped into an upright position. I'm pretty sure that when a katana was one of them, it was in the swinging machine.
I've handled a blade patterned after something like a viking sword, and even though rather wide (2"?) it was surprisingly light and nicely balanced.
Rapiers (which are intended for thrusting and not chopping) should flex sideways. A guy I know spoke of some good blades (possibly from Del Tin Armouries?) that could be bent double almost tip to pommel, and they'd spring right back. On the other hand, I've bent a rapier blade about a foot forward from the hilt the first time I used it simply by parrying another blade. It was mostly due to some sort of manufacturing defect and I received a replacement from the merchant.
For a great tune with some tips on zombies and possession, download Dancing In The Head by The Mekons, from
http://www.epitonic.com/index.jsp?refer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.epitonic.com%2Fartists%2Fmekons.html
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check out this bonus episode of Red vs. Blue where they are discussing their plans for the time that the zombies overrun the earth.
http://rvb.roosterteeth.com/archive/episode.php?id=226
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What is the optimum size of a survivor unit? Would you go all "zombie-hunter" and actively hunt/rescue? Or just stay under the radar, surviving, protecting those few left that are close to you?
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you could look cool with a katana. tis all in the way ya walk! and it doesnt help to be wearin a gee hehe.
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What is the optimum size of a survivor unit? Would you go all "zombie-hunter" and actively hunt/rescue? Or just stay under the radar, surviving, protecting those few left that are close to you?
Survivor unit: 3 - Can sleep in shifts, but small enough to go below the Radar and they won't consume more supplies than they can carry. Unfortunately, there's only 3 of them so they can easily be overwhelmed.
Seek and Destroy: 5 - good for most tactical situations, group can split up, also skills can be diversified and specialized (medic, sniper, wizard, etc.). Transportation will be harder to organize, larger and easier to spot, communication skills/equipment becomes necessary.
Small base/compound: 15-25 - enough to have guards, highly specialized survivors, and a few dependants. Supplies will have to be gathered and brought back to the base, low mobility, power struggles and internal conflicts are more likely to occur.
What is the optimum size of a survivor unit? Would you go all "zombie-hunter" and actively hunt/rescue? Or just stay under the radar, surviving, protecting those few left that are close to you?
Survivor unit: 3 - Can sleep in shifts, but small enough to go below the Radar and they won't consume more supplies than they can carry. Unfortunately, there are only 3 of them so they can easily be overwhelmed.
Seek and Destroy: 5 - good for most tactical situations, group can split up, also skills can be diversified and specialized (medic, sniper, wizard, etc.). Transportation will be harder to organize, larger and easier to spot, communication skills/equipment becomes necessary.
Small base/compound: 15-25 - enough to have guards, highly specialized survivors, and a few dependants. Supplies will have to be gathered and brought back to the base, low mobility, power struggles and internal conflicts are more likely to occur.
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you could look cool with a katana. tis all in the way ya walk! and it doesnt help to be wearin a gee hehe.
A swagger is just a limp with both legs. ; )
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Seek and Destroy: 5 - good for most tactical situations, group can split up, also skills can be diversified and specialized (medic, sniper, wizard, etc.). Transportation will be harder to organize, larger and easier to spot, communication skills/equipment becomes necessary.
First rule of D&D - NEVER split the party. :P
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Seek and Destroy: 5 - good for most tactical situations, group can split up, also skills can be diversified and specialized (medic, sniper, wizard, etc.). Transportation will be harder to organize, larger and easier to spot, communication skills/equipment becomes necessary.
First rule of D&D - NEVER split the party. :P
That's only because gamers forget the second rule of D&D - When the GM smiles, it's too late.
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Ok, so, hideouts?
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i just watched Shaun of the Dead for the first time... boy i cant wait for zombies now!
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Ok, so, hideouts?
Wasn't it zombies who can't climb stairs?
(No, wait, it was snakes. No, wait, it was Daleks. No, wait...)
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I think you were thinking of dogs. Dog's can look up. ;)
I dunno if zombies can handle steps. Perhaps if given enough time?
However I've never seen a zombie make it up a ladder.
Maybe tree houses are the answer to surviving a zombie invasion?
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Wasn't it zombies who can't climb stairs?
(No, wait, it was snakes. No, wait, it was Daleks. No, wait...)
I don't think I've seen a Cylon climb stairs, but based on all the other stuff they can do, that seems like an odd oversight.
However I've never seen a zombie make it up a ladder.
Maybe tree houses are the answer to surviving a zombie invasion?
I think we saw zombies in an apartment building at the beginning of Dawn of the Dead (original), so I they can probably handle stairs. A weakness in the tree house plan is that you might kill enough zombies at the base of your ladder to eventually make a heap of zombies big enough for more zombies to walk shamble up.
Boats, man, boats.
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I don't think I've seen a Cylon climb stairs, but based on all the other stuff they can do, that seems like an odd oversight.
The humans in Battlestar Galactica never invented stairs. The Cylons invented them, in their detention center on New Caprica, and proved that human children cannot climb them.
(...Sorry, that was just a really lame moment in early Season 3.)
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Maybe. But there are problems with boats:
The main problem is actually BEFORE getting on the boats: they need to be built, or obtained. It's possible to swim to one off a dock, but then there is the problem that you can't stay there forever. Gas runs out, leaks spring. It's nature.
Then, you need food! I mean, when there's a horde of zombies attacking you, you're not going to be carrying the ice cooler. A suggestion is to build underwater facilities to grow food, like greenhouses. That can't really be done, because you need the materials from land. Double that for building replacement boats.
Those aren't all the problems, and I'm sure you can counter everything I've written above. Really, I think that you have more of a chance of living off replacement parts, and stuff from the few other boats that made it like Battlestar Gallactica, than against the zombies, but the chances are slim as it is.
Am I suggesting we as humanity need a contingency plan for zombies overrunning the world? (Oh. Wait, if everyone knew the plan, the zombies would too. Scratch that.)
Anyway, I don't think we know enough about zombies just yet. Do we?
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However I've never seen a zombie make it up a ladder.
Maybe tree houses are the answer to surviving a zombie invasion?
I think we saw zombies in an apartment building at the beginning of Dawn of the Dead (original), so I they can probably handle stairs. A weakness in the tree house plan is that you might kill enough zombies at the base of your ladder to eventually make a heap of zombies big enough for more zombies to walk shamble up.
Boats, man, boats.
No, no. That's what the FLAME THROWER is for! Oh, wait.... ;)
Boats aren't a bad idea, but dead bodies float. Fortunately, I don't think zombies have the coordination to swim. So, as long as you can avoid the massive flotillas of flailing zombie bodies that have drifted together like the flotsam they are, you should be fine.
I agree with StarTrek that a boat isn't a permanent solution, you'll need to land eventually, but if you can clear an island for yourself and maintain your sail boat (no gas needed), you could be in good shape.
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Anyway, I don't think we know enough about zombies just yet. Do we?
That's a good question. What do we know about zombies?
-They smell bad
-You have to destroy the brain
-They like brains and human flesh
-Shotguns are to Zombies what Pirates are to Ninjas: Mortal Enemies
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Boats aren't a bad idea, but dead bodies float. Fortunately, I don't think zombies have the coordination to swim. So, as long as you can avoid the massive flotillas of flailing zombie bodies that have drifted together like the flotsam they are, you should be fine.
Two scary words derive from this:
Zombie sharks.
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Boats aren't a bad idea, but dead bodies float. Fortunately, I don't think zombies have the coordination to swim. So, as long as you can avoid the massive flotillas of flailing zombie bodies that have drifted together like the flotsam they are, you should be fine.
Two scary words derive from this:
Zombie sharks.
Zombie Jaws not withstanding, I'm not sure that zombie sharks would be able to get you as long as you stayed in the boat.
Zombie Giant Squid might have a better chance. And think of how hideous his giant, undead, bloodshot eye would be. ewww......
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Obviously the best bet is to hijack a Coast Guard Cutter. Zombie sharks will only break their teeth against the metal hull, it's small enough for a rag-tag team of survivors to crew but big enough to have a helipad (for scouting and rescuing survivors), good radio equipment, additional bunkspace for what survivors you do find, and most importantly it's armed. The Cutter finds survivors, takes them to some Caribbean or Pacific island, sets up a base camp with farms, and then conducts raids into zombie territory to steal supplies and search for more survivors. It then takes those survivors back to the secret human island lair, rinse, and repeat.
The tricky part will be fuel, but that's what off-shore drilling platforms are for. Assuming they're not zombified you can always go there for fuel, and there are a couple of navy bases on small islands off the mainland, so you can raid/meet up with allied forces there. Eventually as the group gets bigger you can look into finding and appropriating other boats, perhaps even start looking into contacting any nuclear submarines that were underwater at the time of zombification.
Addenda:
Assuming there's still the north polar ice cap at time of zombification, how cool would it be to steal an ice breaker, run it along the coast very slowly to attract zombies and then just keep going north. You get to the ice sheet, start going into it, have the zombies follow you out on the ice until they finally freeze solid or get stuck on the ice.
Thinking of it, the safest place (once you figure out the whole food/energy situation during the 6 months of night) would be the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station. Any zombies would freeze well before they got there.
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Anyway, I don't think we know enough about zombies just yet. Do we?
That's a good question. What do we know about zombies?
-They smell bad
-You have to destroy the brain
-They like brains and human flesh
-Shotguns are to Zombies what Pirates are to Ninjas: Mortal Enemies
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Which begs the question if zombies eat brains, how do more zombies show up?
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The tricky part will be fuel, but that's what off-shore drilling platforms are for.
Sorry dude, the Z's are going to get you, off shore platforms dont refine the oil. Time for "Plan 2".
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learn to sail.
or get a solar powered boat.
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The tricky part will be fuel, but that's what off-shore drilling platforms are for.
Sorry dude, the Z's are going to get you, off shore platforms dont refine the oil. Time for "Plan 2".
Hm. I guess we'd need to hijack an oil tanker, and find a suitably remote oil refinery. Though to be fair, most boats are fairly fuel-efficient so it wouldn't be an immediate worry.
Looking up diesel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel) refining, it seems like it wouldn't be that hard to set up a low-tech (though dangerous and without a high output) refining operation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional_distillation) at the main base, so long as you have a supply of crude. Hm.
My problem with sail-boats is the lack of A. space B. speed and C. guns. While useful perhaps for patrols/fishing for non-zombie fish, they wouldn't make much sense for long-range rescue/raid operations.
Addenda:
Looking around for possible locations for an island base, Midway or Wake island seems like the best spot in the Pacific. Both already have air-fields, probably have a bunch of navy scrap from the old days, and are pretty remote. Though the remoteness works against easy visiting by aforementioned rag-tag fleet.
Unfortunately there's no easy choice for an Atlantic/Carribean location, though perhaps Ascension island (a US/UK naval base)? I'd hesitate with a Caribbean island as they're so close together (thus facilitating the swimming/walking underwater zombies) or Bermuda which has a substantial population/tourism industry which would (assuming incubation period for zombiehood) be likely to be zombiefied.
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[...] C. guns. While useful perhaps for patrols/fishing for non-zombie fish, they wouldn't make much sense for long-range rescue/raid operations.
Addenda:
Looking around for possible locations for an island base, Midway or Wake island seems like the best spot in the Pacific. Both already have air-fields, probably have a bunch of navy scrap from the old days, and are pretty remote. Though the remoteness works against easy visiting by aforementioned rag-tag fleet.
Unfortunately there's no easy choice for an Atlantic/Carribean location, though perhaps Ascension island (a US/UK naval base)? I'd hesitate with a Caribbean island as they're so close together (thus facilitating the swimming/walking underwater zombies) or Bermuda which has a substantial population/tourism industry which would (assuming incubation period for zombiehood) be likely to be zombiefied.
So, zombies are dead, rotten people, right?
Go to the Mojave desert! I mean, they'll dry up, right?
Why not?
Then again, we might end up drying out, too.
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So, zombies are dead, rotten people, right?
Go to the Mojave desert! I mean, they'll dry up, right?
Why not?
Then again, we might end up drying out, too.
Zombie Camels.
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I'm glad Heradel is our team, because he is definitely thinking big. Though I'm going to wait over here while he experiments with refining diesel if you don't mind.
My reason for going with boats was one of individual survival rather than rebooting society, but obviously we need to consider both. I don't have a problem with setting up the zombie free island closer to shore. Zombies can't swim, and once they get waterlogged enough to sink and walk on the bottom, they would be close to falling apart. Also, non-zombie sharks and other fish would make quick work of them. If we had consistent currents would could erect some kind of zombie catcher in the water to keep them from drifting up onto the beach. This would have the benefit of attracting predatory fish to help protect and feed us.
I live by the coast, so I can probably get my ass on a boat in pretty short order. As a bonus, marinas are often gated, so once I get in, I can take some time to gather supplies and chose a good boat. But what about the people in the heartland? Boats are nice because you can be safe and mobile at the same time, but you can't really do this on land.
Zombie animals is something I hadn't considered. Zombie humans have lost interest in traditional human cuisine, and only have a taste for other, non-zombie, live humans. Would zombie sharks, or zharks, not hunger only for non-zombie sharks? I leave this question to the academics. I'm now concerned about zombie plants (this may be the worst idea for a horror movie anyone has come up with). What if we wait a whole growing season and end up with greenish gray, whithered stalks of zheat?
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I'm glad Heradel is our team, because he is definitely thinking big. Though I'm going to wait over here while he experiments with refining diesel if you don't mind.
Aw, thanks. Should this happen, I'll volunteer to be the mad professor/mechanic archetype.
I live by the coast, so I can probably get my ass on a boat in pretty short order. As a bonus, marinas are often gated, so once I get in, I can take some time to gather supplies and chose a good boat. But what about the people in the heartland? Boats are nice because you can be safe and mobile at the same time, but you can't really do this on land.
I live on an island, so I know where the boats are as well (granted, I'll be fighting a good half-million plus others to get a spot on one, but c'est la vie), but I think there's less of a problem with the Midwest(for the US among us)/rural areas. First off, they tend to have more time to react due to the spare populations (assuming a lack of zombie cheetahs), and they do tend to be more likely to have/have used guns. I would say that their best bet is to get to an airfield as soon as possible, toss out everything not needed for flight and food (if you're on a farm, be sure to grab any seeds you can), fuel it, pick a (hopefully remote island/airfield bound) direction and start radioing to try to contact other survivor groups.
Theoretically, assuming an aircraft with a large enough range or some temporary airfield/refueling midpoints, you'd want to end up heading towards someplace like Wake, Midway or Ascension because those have airfields. If you can't get there, try for an island that's a fair distance from land or another island and that has sandy beaches (all the better to crash-land on). Make sure you pad your (hopefully shortwave) radio though, you'll need it to call someone with a boat.
I think we can all agree that Running Away is the biggest concern when faced with zombie hoards wherever you are, be it Broadway or the Balkans. When in a position of safety, if only temporarily, try to contact other survivors and agree on a meeting place. Once you're someplace zombie-free, have some ability to defend yourself/wherever you set up camp, then you set up camp and start planting food, but only if you have enough people to really make it worthwhile (over 30-50). Sailboats get more important at this point because of their utility for trade (assuming all the fuel that's left goes to any warships/cars/planes/heli's that are left. Oddly enough, this is the other scenario where you really need investments in energy efficiency because you have so little generating capacity.
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The genre usually suggests getting to a defensible place (islands, commonly) and expanding out from there to eventually reclaim the planet from the zombie hordes. But part II of an expansion plan is attracting the remaining humans to join your band of survivors--particularly the females needed to form the breeding population to once again repopulate the earth--said component sadly lacking on most nuclear submarines.
So I would argue against going as far afield as Wake or Ascension island as it is both hard to attract visitors and expand out from, and you run the risk of becoming stranded there ala Easter Island.
A nuclear aircraft carrier could anchor half a mile or so offshore, and would provide abundant electricity for 70 years or more--convenient for raids to the mainland, attracting human survivors via radio or flashing lights. If you keep it's zinc anodes intact, you don't have to worry about it's hull rusting through. Said hull would easily be zombie shark proof, and the hull would also be unscalable by the floating or swimming zombies as the lowest hatches are still a dozen feet or more above see level. Aircraft carriers have a lot of other fuels on board, but with electricity all other things are possible--such as operating a refinery.
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I've shied away from aircraft carriers because well, they're nuclear. And they've got a large population that has some daily contact with the outside world via it's aircraft population. So I figure that the odds of them being zombiefied/partially zombiefied are quite a lot better than that of a nuclear submarine, which should retain it's entire complement. And personally when facing a zombie menace, I'd rather not have to worry about accidentally starting a nuclear meltdown because the nuclear technicians all started getting a hankering for brains. But if you did get one, and you got one with it's full crew complement (which would have some small percentage of women[who are less expendable than the men in terms of procreation]), well, good. There are 10 nuclear carriers currently up and running (all USN), which would increase the chances of at least one of them making it, though the 5,700 sailors/pilots would pretty immediately start having food problems (not to mention the other ships in the carrier fleet).
My argument for Wake or Ascension is that they're tropical, have long growing seasons, and are far enough away from mainland that anyone there doesn't have to worry about zombies. They're not supposed to be the only last bastion of humanity, just the most easily secured, and the plan would always be to slowly get closer to shore. Sailboats could still reach them if all else fails (or I start missing my eyebrows from too many diesel refining tests).
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Once you are secure, you'll need to find cure. You are all assuming the zombification is a one time event - what if it's like Resident Evil and it's a communicable disease?
This thread has also got me thinking about the new sociatal traditions that would evolve from this new world. Cremation, daily checks for zombie sign, etc.
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Once you are secure, you'll need to find cure. You are all assuming the zombification is a one time event - what if it's like Resident Evil and it's a communicable disease?
This thread has also got me thinking about the new sociatal traditions that would evolve from this new world. Cremation, daily checks for zombie sign, etc.
There is also what would come from our societies people. In my opinion, people would be very paranoid after something like this.
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I'm glad Heradel is our team, because he is definitely thinking big. Though I'm going to wait over here while he experiments with refining diesel if you don't mind.
The real problem comes when Heradel becomes a zombie and presents them with the same plans as their strategist.
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The real problem comes when Heradel becomes a zombie and presents them with the same plans as their strategist.
Cool. How very Richard Matheson of you! He wrote a book, "I am Legend" that has been made into two films so far. Did you ever see the original film that was remade into Charleton Heston's "The Omega Man"? It was called "the Last Man On Earth" (1964) and starred Vincent Price. He was battling vampires. The twist was that by the end of the movie it was clear Price was actually the monster--he was killing the innocent vampires who were only trying to rebuild a society after the terrible calamity that had befallen them. They tried him and ordered him executed for murder. It was a neat twist that the remake totally lost.
;D
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I'm glad Heradel is our team, because he is definitely thinking big. Though I'm going to wait over here while he experiments with refining diesel if you don't mind.
The real problem comes when Heradel becomes a zombie and presents them with the same plans as their strategist.
Pff.
As if I would ever present them with Humanity's plan.
Seriously Steve, any strategist worth his salt would tell the Zombies that they need to let the humans regain a foothold so that they'll have a fresh supply of humans for whenever the need arises.
(Are we assuming a hive brain with our zombies?)
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I'm glad Heradel is our team, because he is definitely thinking big. Though I'm going to wait over here while he experiments with refining diesel if you don't mind.
The real problem comes when Heradel becomes a zombie and presents them with the same plans as their strategist.
Right! We should kill Heradel now, to make sure that won't happen!
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I'm glad Heradel is our team, because he is definitely thinking big. Though I'm going to wait over here while he experiments with refining diesel if you don't mind.
The real problem comes when Heradel becomes a zombie and presents them with the same plans as their strategist.
Right! We should kill Heradel now, to make sure that won't happen!
Oi!
Er,
well,
Sigh,
alright.
Obviously as I have already laid out my plans for the survival of the human race in the event of Zombies I am of little use to you in that regard. In that case, it would make perfect sense to kill me so that they can't get to me.
However, may I interest you in my line of Alien Invasion, Grey Goofication, and Rabid Monkey Adoration escape plans?
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I'm glad Heradel is our team, because he is definitely thinking big. Though I'm going to wait over here while he experiments with refining diesel if you don't mind.
The real problem comes when Heradel becomes a zombie and presents them with the same plans as their strategist.
Right! We should kill Heradel now, to make sure that won't happen!
Oi!
Er,
well,
Sigh,
alright.
Obviously as I have already laid out my plans for the survival of the human race in the event of Zombies I am of little use to you in that regard. In that case, it would make perfect sense to kill me so that they can't get to me.
However, may I interest you in my line of Alien Invasion, Grey Goofication, and Rabid Monkey Adoration escape plans?
Good! Glad you see it my, er.. "Our" way. I'll read a nice poem at the funeral. Something with imagery. "Here lies our beloved Heradel, our autumn flower… somewhat less attractive now that they're all corpsified and gross…" *Ker-thwack*
Right... NEXT!
Cake or death?
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Seriously (???) though, the Coast Guard ship is a great idea.
So is the island one.
Here in Michigan there are over 1000 islands in our lakes. Most are just moss on a rock but some, like Isle Royale, are easily inhabitable having been 'settled' in the past. It's within striking distance of the Canadian coast.
I don't think refining fuel would be too difficult, and we could probably do it on an oil platform. I think the basic idea is to heat slowly and carefully so that it striates in to different weights.
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The biggest problem with the island idea is that it would most likely be highly sought after by the fleeing populous. The island would become overpopulated quickly, and you never know if someone on that island has been bitten or not...
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And if they are, it would be like a virus, like cholera.
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And if they are, it would be like a virus, like cholera.
or like a zombie bite. ; )
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zombie fish
No. No! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO--
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And if they are, it would be like a virus, like cholera.
or like a zombie bite. ; )
I wonder if we let zombies live awhile in a place, say an island that they couldn't get off of. Then, we could watch them evolve... And protect ourselves from other outbreaks of the living dead....
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I wonder if we let zombies live awhile in a place, say an island that they couldn't get off of. Then, we could watch them evolve... And protect ourselves from other outbreaks of the living dead....
Zombies Evolve???
New bug out bag packing list:
S&W .44 Magnum
One (1) bullet
Tarp
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I wonder if we let zombies live awhile in a place, say an island that they couldn't get off of. Then, we could watch them evolve... And protect ourselves from other outbreaks of the living dead....
Zombies Evolve???
New bug out bag packing list:
S&W .44 Magnum
One (1) bullet
Tarp
I don't see why not: they're living beings, derived from us, and, it seems from the abovementioned fish, so they may evolve, yes.
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I don't see why not: they're living beings, derived from us, and, it seems from the abovementioned fish, so they may evolve, yes.
living? ???
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Zombies Evolve???
I don't see why not: they're living beings, derived from us, and, it seems from the abovementioned fish, so they may evolve, yes.
This is only assuming that a zombie which survives to "reproduce" (bite someone, I guess) passes on some of its attributes to its "offspring."
Of course I also don't know what inheritable traits would make any given zombie more likely to survive and reproduce than another zombie. Pointier teeth? Faster shambling? A fondness for liver in addition to brains?
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If we presume zombification is due to a virus or bacterium, then potentially zombie evolution could be exponentially faster than human evolution, as single celled creatures are notoriously adaptable. The most likely innovation would be not to kill their hosts... a zombie longevity modification. "Killing" (rendering immobile or degraded in functional capacity) your host is not the ideal outcome. Most new viruses start off as lethal and get "tamer" with time as they learn to more live symbiotically.
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But we might not be around long enough. I mean, if they bite every living being on Earth, then they may not evolve: they would simply starve, or whatever zombies do when deprived of brains.
My point being, we might not live long enough as a species to see "evolved" zombies.
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What do zombies do when deprived of brains?
We really should put them on an island and watch what they do.
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Sounds a little like Ancestor.
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To really understand how to handle yourselves post-zombie-apocolypse, you need to check out Walking Dead put out by Image comics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walking_Dead
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The most likely innovation would be not to kill their hosts...
Haven't the zombie bacteria already evolved this trait?
What do zombies do when deprived of brains?
I think they just lie around, don't they? Do zombies continue to decompose? It's possible that the zombie bacteria produces a toxin that prevents decomposition. But the Z-bacteria have to eat something too, so they would probably slowly decompose their host. If it's a virus, then it wouldn't have to eat anything, but it would be unable to prevent ordinary decomposition. Now that I think of it, though, this is a moot question. Can we agree that zombies can't heal or feel pain? This combination would cause their limbs to wear down to useless nubs as they shamble around, bumping into things. So the zombie-only island would eventually be populated with squirming zombie torsos.
The biggest problem with the island idea is that it would most likely be highly sought after by the fleeing populous. The island would become overpopulated quickly, and you never know if someone on that island has been bitten or not...
And I had just been convinced to rejoin society. Screw that. I'm back on my sail boat with my fishing pole and my solar-powered desalinator. Besides if you have seen any zombie movies you know that the problem is not the zombies. It's always idiot humans who mess everything up.
...actually, the boat is starting to sound pretty good, anyway...
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The most likely innovation would be not to kill their hosts...
Haven't the zombie bacteria already evolved this trait?
Well, the zombie bacteria (assuming it's related to those forms of fungus and bacteria we already see in the wild that have zombie-like characteristics) usually don't kill the host so much as cause death of personality. My assumption is that the zombies are only minimally conscious in a basic-instincts-kill-eat-infect kind of way, and probably don't feel any pain (thus the whole shotgun to the chest and keeping moving). Perhaps the [bacteria/virus/radiation] also [produces/causes cells to produce/rearranged DNA to produce] some sort of [stimulant/decentralization of the motor cortex/eventual re-engineering of the human body] that accounts for the super human strength but general slothiness.
What do zombies do when deprived of brains?
I think they just lie around, don't they? Do zombies continue to decompose? It's possible that the zombie bacteria produces a toxin that prevents decomposition. But the Z-bacteria have to eat something too, so they would probably slowly decompose their host. If it's a virus, then it wouldn't have to eat anything, but it would be unable to prevent ordinary decomposition. Now that I think of it, though, this is a moot question. Can we agree that zombies can't heal or feel pain? This combination would cause their limbs to wear down to useless nubs as they shamble around, bumping into things. So the zombie-only island would eventually be populated with squirming zombie torsos.
Personally I think that the lack of food would drive a survival of the fittest kind of structure (leaving a smaller population of zombies), or they would begin eating plants (obviously a last resort). It's also possible that they go into a hibernation-like state and wait until fresh food is sensed (not unlike bacteria[which would allow a panspermia-like zombie plague]).
The biggest problem with the island idea is that it would most likely be highly sought after by the fleeing populous. The island would become overpopulated quickly, and you never know if someone on that island has been bitten or not...
And I had just been convinced to rejoin society. Screw that. I'm back on my sail boat with my fishing pole and my solar-powered desalinator. Besides if you have seen any zombie movies you know that the problem is not the zombies. It's always idiot humans who mess everything up.
...actually, the boat is starting to sound pretty good, anyway...
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Well, yes, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the same island. Unfortunately this limits us to places will little human settlement and far away from land but not far enough that no one human could get there with chances over 50% of dying on the way. It's a hard balance. If you're in Europe I'd try Greece (hiding out in one of the few hundred little islands) or someplace cold enough to freeze the zombies. Really the key thing is being able to keep in contact with any other survivor groups, and the only really way to do this is with shortwave. The Iridium satellites will probably stay operational for a few years, so satellite phones will be an option in the early years, but those bird will end up de-orbiting and then all that will be left will be shortwave. Which also makes high ground a somewhat important factor in island choosing.
Multiple bases (it doesn't make sense for someone fleeing from Australia or India to head to Ascension anyway, Wake or Midway would be better, some of the more outlying Philippines would also probably make good choices. Those too-far inland might end up literally heading into the hills and mountains since the zombies can't usually climb that well. Which pops into my head this odd image of a bunch of Buddhist monks with machine guns, but it's late.
The point would be to save as many as possible as quickly as possible, and then to fortify what strongholds humanity can create. Start planting, start teaching everyone a common language (assuming that the world's numbers are reduced into the thousands range), start taking stock of what you have. Then maybe you start thinking about clearing... Cuba's Island of Youth or New Zealand or some other suitably large but yet small and somewhat isolated land mass that could be de-zombified and then resettled by humans as a large colony. But that would probably be more like 10-15 years out.
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Of course I also don't know what inheritable traits would make any given zombie more likely to survive and reproduce than another zombie. Pointier teeth? Faster shambling? A fondness for liver in addition to brains?
These are some of the premises I use when considering zombies.
First off: Zombies Are Dead.
It's what makes a Zombie a Zombie.
If they weren't dead you'd be talking mind control, parasites, brain injuries, drug addiction, or mental retardation.
Zombies as an Organic Disease:
If you view zombies as a viral or bacterial infection then evolution is possible, but of the disease and not the host. The pathogen would evolve with each new host, and different strains would emerge with dominance being determined by the zombies who are the most effective at transmittal but not necessarily survival. The most common theme concerning transmission is that a host can catch zombie only through an exchange of bodily fluids; most frequently bite wounds, followed by scratches (presumably the fingers are hemorrhaging from injury or tissue failure), and then indirect contact (blood spatter).
As viruses can alter the genetic code inside cells, it might be possible to say that they could alter the physical properties of the host in small ways. This is not likely, nor do I believe it is adequately supported as I've yet to see a zombie do anything a sufficiently motivated human couldn’t.
Zombies as a Chemical Phenomenon:
If zombies are created thru man-made drugs (voodoo drugs and funny mushrooms count here too), than zombies could not evolve. Although bodily function could be interrupted and altered the drug would still have to act inside of the limits of human capability. All abilities would be based on the host's preexisting attributes: A zombie man could punch through a wood-covered window; a zombie weight lifter could rip the door off a car.
Zombies as a Paranormal Phenomenon:
Anything is possible, and your ass is probably grass. Go find an old priest and a young priest and a shotgun.
On Island Overpopulation:
It's nice to think that we can all get along, once the end comes, but we'll be competing for some rather scarce resources. The grim truth is that until things chill out and the zombie epidemic has peaked, it will probably be kill or be killed. You can't let your ship/castle/island/bunker be over crowded, and most likely you won't be able to afford the luxury of trusting strangers. Aside from being unable to support everyone and the heightened chance of infection (really, a full strip search and 2 minute medical check up, followed by a 24 hour quarantine would reduce the chance to near zero. Parties are always over run by the guy who hides that he was bit, not because no on knew), but because people in extreme situations often take extreme action. Anyone here a lifeguard? What is the risk of saving someone who is drowning?
Teamwork is important, but no matter where you are you can only support so many people, and to exceed that for even a few people is to risk dooming everyone. Mothers and fathers know how far they'd go to protect their children (Flat Diane anyone?), so what happens when it comes down to one father vs. father? When it comes down to one or the other?
Defending your conclave from humans will be the harder part of surviving the zombies.
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On Island Overpopulation:
It's nice to think that we can all get along, once the end comes, but we'll be competing for some rather scarce resources. The grim truth is that until things chill out and the zombie epidemic has peaked, it will probably be kill or be killed. You can't let your ship/castle/island/bunker be over crowded, and most likely you won't be able to afford the luxury of trusting strangers. Aside from being unable to support everyone and the heightened chance of infection (really, a full strip search and 2 minute medical check up, followed by a 24 hour quarantine would reduce the chance to near zero. Parties are always over run by the guy who hides that he was bit, not because no on knew), but because people in extreme situations often take extreme action. Anyone here a lifeguard? What is the risk of saving someone who is drowning?
Teamwork is important, but no matter where you are you can only support so many people, and to exceed that for even a few people is to risk dooming everyone. Mothers and fathers know how far they'd go to protect their children (Flat Diane anyone?), so what happens when it comes down to one father vs. father? When it comes down to one or the other?
Defending your conclave from humans will be the harder part of surviving the zombies.
Well, yes, but also no, due to travel time. It'll take days to weeks for most of humanity (in sailboats and jury-rigged to sail motorboats) to reach the islands, and with the communications equipment available on most decently equipped boats most island army bases will have a fair bit of warning. Food/Water becomes an issue with long travel times, but eliminating that as a pressure I would think that most of the survivors would be fatigued from boating all night/day for days and thus more amenable to quarantine in the short term. I think there will be bite-hiders, but I doubt that they'll hide it as well as they do in the movies. Especially when you get a situation where everyone has to go through a single checkpoint. Which is best done at a military base (which I view as unfortunate, because you don't want survivors wanting to be feeling like POW's).
Long term I'd like to think that communication would be good enough that trading networks would not be long before being set up, but I wouldn't be surprised by factions along language lines. I think that there will be some native-newbie tension, but I would hope that the whole world-changing-cataclysm would help erode what other tensions affect the word at large.
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I think we're talking about different points in the survival scenario; My concerns are with the first few months after the zombies attack, and you're looking at it a few years out. We aren't the only ones to have the idea of hiding on an island or hijacking a boat, so we'll be competing against billions of other people trying to do the same thing. Some will be better at it than others, and some will get lucky. And once you're on an island, you need food and infrastructure to support everyone and cities won't do anyone any good because they can't be self-sufficient.
I agree with the checkpoint strategy, also; all buildings should be off the ground by at least 4' off the ground with only ladders to get in them and tri-rope walkways going between them.
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While everyone is concerned about large population / small island, why not take a big island, such as Greenland, and just live there. Leave the zombies to the rest of the world. Everything except Greenland, Antarctica, the Arctic, and Australia.
Why not?
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Because the bigger the island, the harder it is to keep secure and the higher the chance of getting an infection somewhere.
Also "Large" is a relative term. Technically North and South America make up an island, so does Europe/Asia/Africa. The idea is to take as large an island as you feel you can keep safe.
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Oh. I'm assuming only a few million will survive the first month, with a hundred thousand to maybe three million surviving for the year. Less will head to the ocean, being too far inland and, due to the concentration of humans along the coasts, there being a stronger zombie presence on the beaches. Remember, Zombie infestation will probably be a pretty exponential curve.
Retreat to small islands, then band together to invade larger ones.
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Ahh say the hell with it, join the winning side, and seek out a zombie to bite you.
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Guns seems to top everyone's list of survival gear. But what about those of us who don't live in the US and Canada? Here in Japan, I could probably get a pistol from a police station, but I don't know if they even have shotguns.
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Guns seems to top everyone's list of survival gear. But what about those of us who don't live in the US and Canada? Here in Japan, I could probably get a pistol from a police station, but I don't know if they even have shotguns.
You mean the streets aren't paved with Katanas? Damn, there goes my Japanese fantasy.
Well, remember Zombies are slow, and eminently whack-able. I'd use whatever you can, because there are only so many bullets, and not all zombies will be as vulnerable to them as they will something that could cause decapitation. If you do happen to be near an old weapons cache, I would grab anything that's long and has the sharp shiny bit far away from you so the zombies will only get about that far.
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Guns seems to top everyone's list of survival gear. But what about those of us who don't live in the US and Canada? Here in Japan, I could probably get a pistol from a police station, but I don't know if they even have shotguns.
Hmmmm... good point.
I guess I've always figured I'd have a (pile of) gun(s), with some sharp weapons as back up. In fact, that seems to be the idealized survival plan.
But how will you survive if you don't have guns?
More to your question thought, I would suggest you research zombie outbreaks in your geographic area. There seem to be some rather significant differences in the types of zombies you get. For instance, in china zombies hop around with arms outstretched.
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Overall guns are quite impractical - as mentioned above, you need something with decapitation potential - which means most pistols, small arms, etc are right out. Shotguns are about all I can think of. Then you have all the problems with ammunition - getting it, carrying it around, reloading the weapon, weapon jams etc.
My first stop would be the local pawn shop as they always seems to have long sharp shiny things lying around. Though, I suppose most of those are cheap imitatoin knockoffs. Where would one go to get a good sword or machete?
If you are in an industrial part of town, a good grinding wheel and some steel might suffice.
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For good decapitation capabilities, we will need a modified turkey arrow.
Like this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xgVKCfrKwWw
WARNING: Graphic content!
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In any case, decapitation may not be enough. For humans? Yes, that would be enough if you're being attacked by your own. But for zombies, that may not be enough.
Maybe, if given enough time, you could [if the zombies are virus-based] find an anti-biotic against them. Maybe one that's slow acting. Capture a zombie, inject it, and let it go again into the zombie populace.
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In any case, decapitation may not be enough. For humans? Yes, that would be enough if you're being attacked by your own. But for zombies, that may not be enough.
Maybe, if given enough time, you could [if the zombies are virus-based] find an anti-biotic against them. Maybe one that's slow acting. Capture a zombie, inject it, and let it go again into the zombie populace.
Slight semantics problem: anti-biotics work only on bacteria, not viruses. The only 'cure' for a viral infection is preventative, a vaccine.
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In any case, decapitation may not be enough. For humans? Yes, that would be enough if you're being attacked by your own. But for zombies, that may not be enough.
Maybe, if given enough time, you could [if the zombies are virus-based] find an anti-biotic against them. Maybe one that's slow acting. Capture a zombie, inject it, and let it go again into the zombie populace.
Hey Wiki, I don't mean to nit-pick, but how familiar are you with zombie movies?
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For good decapitation capabilities, we will need a modified turkey arrow.
Man, Rich. Someone is having one helluva Thanksgiving.
In any case, decapitation may not be enough. For humans? Yes, that would be enough if you're being attacked by your own. But for zombies, that may not be enough.
True, that there is a lot we don't know about zombies, but we are just going to have to make some assumptions. I think it's a safe bet that you can kill them by removing or damaging the brain. Personally, I think a bullet to the brain would be sufficient rather than smashing the whole thing.
I agree that guns are a poor long-term solution. I would just like to have one to get as far as the marina. The good news about Japan is that you're never too far from the water, but the lack of weapons (it's illegal to own swords, too) is going to be a problem. Though now that I think of it, we do have a few castles, which would be quite impenetrable to zombies, and no picnic for armed gangs. I'll have to mull that one over a bit and get back to you...
More to your question thought, I would suggest you research zombie outbreaks in your geographic area. There seem to be some rather significant differences in the types of zombies you get. For instance, in china zombies hop around with arms outstretched.
That's a good point. I don't think I've seen any Japanese zombie footage. Ghosts, yes. So I do my best to keep my wife happy, so that if she dies suddenly, odds are that she won't die angry with me. From what I've seen, if you have a Japanese ghost pissed at you, you're boned. She got her hair cut short recently, which I think is a good sign.
Of course we get a giant radioactive monster about once a month. But the mutant high-school girl brigade usually makes short work of them.
What am I thinking?! American military base! I have a passport!
God Bless America.
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Hey Wiki, I don't mean to nit-pick, but how familiar are you with zombie movies?
I've only really seen three or four (two of which are Shaun of the Dead and Planet Terror, so I'm not really sure how much they count), so hopefully that doesn't disqualify me or anyone else from this thought experiment.
No offense to the good zombie flicks, but a lot of them are somewhat formulaic by conceit (normal day -> Zombies! -> Running for our lives! -> NPC's Die! Horribly! ->Protagonist, maybe his girl, escape! (Or not!) ), which is hard to get around with the main concept, which is pretty much always that zombies come, take over most of the world, small segment of humanity survives. I'm screwing around with a friend on a zombie film script, so maybe it's just me but I'm running into all these problems and trying to figure out good, non-formulaic ways around them. Which isn't easy.
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I've only really seen three or four (two of which are Shaun of the Dead and Planet Terror, so I'm not really sure how much they count), so hopefully that doesn't disqualify me or anyone else from this thought experiment.
Not at all!
There's really no being disqualified from a 'how to survive zombies' thread. It really was an honest question because there are a few concepts that are considered pretty universal when it comes to zombies:
-They're dead or back from the dead (which is not the same as alive).
-Destruction or removal of the head kills them.
Now, that's not the be-all and end-all of zombies. There's plenty of grey area (and matter) left to explore.
No offense to the good zombie flicks, but a lot of them are somewhat formulaic by conceit (normal day -> Zombies! -> Running for our lives! -> NPC's Die! Horribly! ->Protagonist, maybe his girl, escape! (Or not!) ), which is hard to get around with the main concept, which is pretty much always that zombies come, take over most of the world, small segment of humanity survives. I'm screwing around with a friend on a zombie film script, so maybe it's just me but I'm running into all these problems and trying to figure out good, non-formulaic ways around them. Which isn't easy.
That's not an offense, that's just the truth. And it's a hard one to get away from.
If you're looking for something different you could consider is to just start with zombies. Don't make the audience wait for them to jump out from behind a tree, and don't start with a foreshadowing event. Opening scene: day time, city, horde of zombies shambling around on the street, survivors penned up in an office building. Let character development happen as the story progresses. Let conflict arise between factions of survivors, not zombies and survivors. etc.
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Thentions
Opening scene: day time, city, horde of zombies shambling around on the street, survivors penned up in an office building. Let character development happen as the story progresses. Let conflict arise between factions of survivors, not zombies and survivors. etc.
And maybe, eventually, factions of survivors all split, then are nearly destroyed, then join because of a really tragic event that makes everyone think a little harder about survival against the enemy, and not against themselves.
I'm surprised that there has never been a zombie film (to my knowledge) that ends with zombies destroying humanity.
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I'm surprised that there has never been a zombie film (to my knowledge) that ends with zombies destroying humanity.
The Richard Matheson based movie with Vincent Price was the closest I have seen, but Matheson was a genius, and they were vampires anyway. Unless you make the zombies somewhat sympathetic, who would go see a movie about them winning?
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I'm surprised that there has never been a zombie film (to my knowledge) that ends with zombies destroying humanity.
The Richard Matheson based movie with Vincent Price was the closest I have seen, but Matheson was a genius, and they were vampires anyway. Unless you make the zombies somewhat sympathetic, who would go see a movie about them winning?
*raises hand*
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Unless you make the zombies somewhat sympathetic, who would go see a movie about them winning?
The perfect sequel to "Shaun of the Dead".
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"Return of the Dead"?
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Speaking of movies,
How a bout a list of worth-while zombie flicks...er, documentaries?
-Night of the Living Dead
-Dawn of the Dead
-Day of the Dead
-Army of Darkness
-Evil Dead/Evil Dead II (same movie)
-Children of the Living Dead
-I Walked With A Zombie
-Re-Animator
-Return of the Living Dead: I, II, & III
-White Zombie
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Shaun of the Dead.
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28 Days Later
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28 Days Later
Is that a zombie flick?
I thought they were infected with "Rage?"
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For me, it's close enough. Kinda like Resident Evil (if you will forgive the bad acting, writing and directing) in that the "zombies" are created by chemical means before they are even dead. It gives the illusion of zombification even though they are simply infected with a behavior altering plague.
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Not your typical zombie movie, but based on a true story...
The Serpent and the Rainbow
Just don't forget to close your eyes during the scene that caused a collective grown and leg crossing by every male in the theater when I saw it.
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Grindhouse, Part 1, "Planet Terror"
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Not your typical zombie movie, but based on a true story...
The Serpent and the Rainbow
Urm... I've read the book (which was a serious, if highly subjective, memoir from a botanist dabbling in anthropology). The movie is based on it to somewhat the same degree that The Omen is based on the Bible.
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You forgot Braindead/Dead Alive by Peter Jackson...
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Not your typical zombie movie, but based on a true story...
The Serpent and the Rainbow
Urm... I've read the book (which was a serious, if highly subjective, memoir from a botanist dabbling in anthropology). The movie is based on it to somewhat the same degree that The Omen is based on the Bible.
I will have to check out the book. I did enjoy the movie, but haven't seen it in several years. I have found as I have matured, movies I enjoyed when I was younger, haven't always withstood the test of time. Be it dated jokes, maturation of my tastes, dated special effects etc. I will say I always preferred the voodoo zombie type stories as opposed to the walking dead, not to take anything away from the walking dead.
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World War Z is a book, and a very good fake oral history of a Zombie War that I heartily recommend, though I do feel it's a bit too light on some of the battles. At some later date I'll do a rundown on what in that book can help in the case of a zombie invasion, but for now I'll just say — shovel, sharpened ends, for use in lobotomies. And don't fire on full Automatic.
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Firearms are probably one of your best bets for surviving the initial infection event and immediately afterwards. At least in the US. I know of about a dozen places within ten miles of me where I could stock up on ammo and firearms with my crowbar credit card.
The S&W .50 caliber or Israeli made Desert Eagle would make a mess of anyone's skull not just zombies. Additionally with smaller caliber weapons, especially automatics hits to the legs would eventually impede their motion as joints don't like to work when pummeled repeatedly with lead at high velocity.
Shotguns are your best friend but here I'd go with the old movie cliche of starting with a fully loaded police or military style and when empty simply drop and move on to something else. Reloading is something that should be done after the action is over. (Yes I'm aware of the irony of using a cliche)
Additionally, and this is something that scared the heck out of me when I learned it, grenades are legal here in AZ. They're expensive as hell and require A LOT of red tape and paperwork to acquire but if you have money and the time they're yours. What this means is that I know of two different stores in Phoenix that stock and sell them.
Which brings me to my next point, automatic weapons. Easily gotten in some states even the lighter caliber ones will deter zombies by shear transferal of a lot of kinetic energy. The 45 calibers ones would chew some serious Zombie mobs to pieces.
Spears...great for pinning Zombie to the ground and or soft building material.
Remember in the end you don't have to outrun the zombies, just that dumb ass member of your group who you can't stand!
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Firearms are probably one of your best bets for surviving the initial infection event and immediately afterwards. At least in the US. I know of about a dozen places within ten miles of me where I could stock up on ammo and firearms with my crowbar credit card.
The S&W .50 caliber or Israeli made Desert Eagle would make a mess of anyone's skull not just zombies. Additionally with smaller caliber weapons, especially automatics hits to the legs would eventually impede their motion as joints don't like to work when pummeled repeatedly with lead at high velocity.
Shotguns are your best friend but here I'd go with the old movie cliche of starting with a fully loaded police or military style and when empty simply drop and move on to something else. Reloading is something that should be done after the action is over. (Yes I'm aware of the irony of using a cliche)
The luxury of downtime is not one that should be counted on. Or having more weapons with bullets than zombies, especially in urban areas. Which is why a hand-to-hand weapon is probably your most reliable companion, though a gun does make sense at a distance. The Desert Eagle is a fine, powerful weapon that you need two hands, a stock, and a firm stance to have a hope of controlling the recoil and making a few dozen quick shots. And after a bit of firing it your arms hurt (oh, my misspent Rifle Team days [note: we shot .22 rifles at small black dots, the Desert Eagle bit was with a Teammate's parent after, and it happened in a range. It also helped take down my masculine bravado a few rungs, which in retrospect was not a bad thing.]). I'd stick with something smaller, and with ammo that's easier to find. Something like the old M1 Carbine, that you can use fairly accurately and move around easily.
Additionally, and this is something that scared the heck out of me when I learned it, grenades are legal here in AZ. They're expensive as hell and require A LOT of red tape and paperwork to acquire but if you have money and the time they're yours. What this means is that I know of two different stores in Phoenix that stock and sell them.
Which only really slows down, unless you get lucky and some shrapnel takes care of the brain. There's no guarantee that the force of the impact will really do much to a zombie, apart from knocking them back/delegging them.
Which brings me to my next point, automatic weapons. Easily gotten in some states even the lighter caliber ones will deter zombies by shear transferal of a lot of kinetic energy. The 45 calibers ones would chew some serious Zombie mobs to pieces.
Yeah, but they you just end up with a zombie mob that's crawling, or moving a little faster because it's lost some weight. The lack of an arm or most of a midsection might slow the zombie down, but it doesn't kill them. In the worst case, you end up with a bunch of crawling zombies that you don't necessarily see as well as the upright ones.
Plus the transferal of momentum will only really happen that efficiently if the bullet hits bone, which isn't guaranteed. It's not the movies, where a bullet sends a guy flying feet back into a window. A regular bullet isn't that highly kinetic (High speed but low mass), and won't transfer that much of anything while passing through soft tissue, even if it's designed to break up.
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The luxury of downtime is not one that should be counted on. Or having more weapons with bullets than zombies, especially in urban areas. Which is why a hand-to-hand weapon is probably your most reliable companion, though a gun does make sense at a distance. The Desert Eagle is a fine, powerful weapon that you need two hands, a stock, and a firm stance to have a hope of controlling the recoil and making a few dozen quick shots. And after a bit of firing it your arms hurt (oh, my misspent Rifle Team days [note: we shot .22 rifles at small black dots, the Desert Eagle bit was with a Teammate's parent after, and it happened in a range. It also helped take down my masculine bravado a few rungs, which in retrospect was not a bad thing.]). I'd stick with something smaller, and with ammo that's easier to find. Something like the old M1 Carbine, that you can use fairly accurately and move around easily.
I use to argue against small gauge munitions VS. zombies (favoring something mid-sized) until I talked with a friend of mine about .22s. Allegedly they are a favored weapon of hitmen because they're light and small, relatively quiet, and the round is almost entirely lead. That means that they're easy to carry, won't attract undue attention, and when the round impacts it goes *splat* and shreds tissue. You won't take a zombie's head off like you would with a .50, but you can carry 10x ammo, and it only takes a shot or two to the head to take care of a zombie. Not to mention, it's not considered a prime weapon, so ammo should still be on the shelves when the other civilians panic and take everything bigger.
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Max Brooks's tome "The Zombie Survival Guide" (http://www.randomhouse.com/crown/zombiesurvivalguide/ (http://www.randomhouse.com/crown/zombiesurvivalguide/)) is highly recommended if you dig on toying with undead apocalypse scenarios. Amongst the many compelling points he makes....
- In many situations, swords are better than guns because swords are silent and do not run out of ammo.
- In many situations, bikes are better than motor vehicles because they are all-terrain, silent, and do not run out of gas.
- Forget about the oil pumping; Heradel's idea about an offshore oil platform is excellent because the things are insanely defensible. Even if by some dark miracle a horde of zombies floats out there, what are they going to do? You send out occasional foraging parties in sailboats and as long as you can figure out a way to procure water you'll last as long as you can keep finding food.
Also, if I'm fighting alongside some silly sod who breaks out a flamethrower, they should expect my machete to wind up in their neck. Flamethrowers will only deter targets that can experience fear and/or pain; zombies ignore both. Sure, the napalm bath will turn the zombie into a pile of ashes ... eventually. But until then, you have an aggressive shambling corpse completely unfazed by the fact that it's on fire, spreading the fire as it goes. What's worse than having a zombie clawing at your throat? Having a burning zombie clawing at your throat.
And as far as treehouses go ... get yourself a rope ladder and chop the bejesus out of your staircase with an axe, and viola -- instant zombie-proof fort. (Of course, this is only an option if you're wagering that the zombie incursion is temporary and the key to survival is to hole-up and wait for rescue. If a whole mess of them realize there's tasty tasty meat above them where they can't get at it and congregate under you ... well, chances are the living dead are a lot more patient than you are.)
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I disagree about the sword/gun thing.
Guns are a better weapon against Zombies because of their range, effectiveness, and ease of use.
Fighting with swords, or any edged weapon, requires a skill that most don't innately have. Guns, once the basics of turning off the safety and making sure it has bullets have been mastered, can be a point-and-click weapon even a child can use.
I don't mean to say that you shouldn't always, always have an edged side arm, or that you should rely on your gun alone to protect you, just that you shouldn't forsake something that throws lead if opportunity arises.
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But, with guns, you have one main problem: they DO run out of ammo eventually, and they don't cover enough space to kill a zombie.
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But, with guns, you have one main problem: they DO run out of ammo eventually, and they don't cover enough space to kill a zombie.
I'm not sure what you mean by "cover enough space to kill a zombie." Could you clarify that?
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The point of a gun is to shoot a projectile into a body. I guess what I'm saying is, they're not practical. You will probably need more bullets to kill a dead guy than a living person, and if the world's been overrun by zombies, then you only have so much ammo, going back to Thaurismunths' point.
I'm not quite sure what I meant by "covering enough area", though, if you have a sword, and zombies surround you, you can swish! and dismember all those around you.
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Well, the thing about zombies is that you don't have to "kill" them. You only have to destroy/remove their brain.
Cutting off their head works.
So does a single bullet to the brainstem, or a single larger bullet thru the face.
In most horror movies people make the mistake of aiming for the body and disabling it instead of taking off the head.
I don't think guns are The answer, especially in the long-run, because you will run out of ammo. However, if you have a gun and bullets and an edged weapon, you're probably in better shape than someone with an armload of edged weapons.
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I don't think guns are The answer, especially in the long-run, because you will run out of ammo. However, if you have a gun and bullets and an edged weapon, you're probably in better shape than someone with an armload of edged weapons.
I'll agree with that. It's a matter of using the right tool for the job at hand; if you have a smallish horde of zombies standing between you and safety, clearing a path with a ranged weapon is the way to go. If you have a single zombie you need to dispatch quietly while drawing a minimum of attention to yourself, you say to that zombie "Katana! For you! In the neck!!!"
But I would say that anybody who pats their trusty 12-gauge while scoffing at a good sharpened fire axe is both going to run out of ammo quicker and be less capable of coping with it when the inevitable happens. And I also think that due to ammo scarcity, the attitude you'd need to cultivate is that the edged weapon is your default and you only break out the bang-bang for special occasions.
(Assuming, of course, that you think you're dealing with an apocalypse scenario. If you think this is a temporary problem and you're just trying to stay alive until the National Guard puts down the threat, then hell yeah, grab some ammo and go nuts.)
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Dont quote me on this, but I've heard that Zombies hate Mineral Water. Does that help at all?
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Dont quote me on this, but I've heard that Zombies hate Mineral Water. Does that help at all?
Actually, yes, it does. Zombies all remember the movie "Heathers" where everybody thinks the two dead jocks were gay because their bodies were found with mineral water. Given that zombies are 1) already dead and 2) deeply insecure about their sexuality, their response to a bottle of mineral water is very similar to that of vampires and holy symbols, only with a lot more incoherent mumbling about how many chicks they've done.
Armor made from Dasani bottles is the key to surviving the undead apocalypse.
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Dont quote me on this, but I've heard that Zombies hate Mineral Water. Does that help at all?
Actually, yes, it does. Zombies all remember the movie "Heathers" where everybody thinks the two dead jocks were gay because their bodies were found with mineral water. Given that zombies are 1) already dead and 2) deeply insecure about their sexuality, their response to a bottle of mineral water is very similar to that of vampires and holy symbols, only with a lot more incoherent mumbling about how many chicks they've done.
Armor made from Dasani bottles is the key to surviving the undead apocalypse.
except Dasani is filtered tap water, it would need to be made from something like Perier, which would not be an easy armor to make as afaik it's still only available in glass bottles.
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I've heard, due to a latent green streak among zombies, that they really react badly to Fiji water.
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I've heard, due to a latent green streak among zombies, that they really react badly to Fiji water.
Similarly, that's why an SUV makes such a bad escape vehicle. The blatant disregard of ones carbon footprint and the haughty attitude associated with SUV drivers is likely drive a hoard of zombies in to frenzy.
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And the cost of gas will go right up during apocalypse, so a mini covered in Perier bottles filled with swords, guns, and food in the back would be best. Also, a good battering ram on the from would be nice.
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i think we Need to start thinking about the undead as a resource.
just think of all the free energy!
you can load the deadheads on to a big treadmill attache a generator
z-power , its reliable , efficient and eco-frendly
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LOL!! :D
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Damn! "Tolerance/Intolerance" has us by 7 posts!
Quick!
What kind of survivor would you be, were you in a Zombie movie?
I play a good Lieutenant: Second in command, able to handle situations, but not interested in running the whole show and loathed to be behind a desk. I'd want to be sweeping buildings and rescuing survivors.
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Getting back to what weapons would be useful.....
It depends on a) what it takes to kill a zombie b) how infectious zombie disease is and c) how good are they at hand to hand combat.
If they have to kill you in order to infect you, then you just need to kill them before they kill you. If they suck at hand to hand combat and are easy to kill, you could take a most any good sized melee weapon and go through them like a lawnmower. If they are not so easy to kill, then you need to just be more careful and go more slowly. If they are really good at hand to hand combat then you are screwed because they have the advantage of numbers. The best strategy is to just keep running away.
If they are highly infectious, then you need to keep your distance. If they are easy to kill, then the best hand to hand weapon would probably be a pike or a really long spear or something similar.
Which character would I be?
The seemingly intelligent academician who is proven to be an idiot halfway through the movie and ends up as just another zombie. :P
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Damn! "Tolerance/Intolerance" has us by 7 posts!
Quick!
What kind of survivor would you be, were you in a Zombie movie?
I'd be the proselytizing gay atheist doctor performing abortions on demand before going home to my four husbands, and arguing that that killing the zombies is morally suspect as they are entitled to their brain-devouring worldview.
(Look, do you want to get ahead of Tolerance/Intolerance or not?)
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Damn! "Tolerance/Intolerance" has us by 7 posts!
Quick!
What kind of survivor would you be, were you in a Zombie movie?
I play a good Lieutenant: Second in command, able to handle situations, but not interested in running the whole show and loathed to be behind a desk. I'd want to be sweeping buildings and rescuing survivors.
I'm first against the wall...or wait, is that the revolution? Maybe I'd be the recluse who doesn't realize what's going on, because to her all people are zombies anyway. I'll be writing thirty page diatribes describing my oppression in intricate detail and sending them (with too much postage, of course) to now defunct media conglomerates. Also, I eat dandelion salads.
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Damn! "Tolerance/Intolerance" has us by 7 posts!
Quick!
What kind of survivor would you be, were you in a Zombie movie?
I'd be the proselytizing gay atheist doctor performing abortions on demand before going home to my four husbands, and arguing that that killing the zombies is morally suspect as they are entitled to their brain-devouring worldview.
(Look, do you want to get ahead of Tolerance/Intolerance or not?)
*shrug* It's worth a try... Oh, yeah? Well, I think that you're wrong. And everything you stand for is WRONG! And your father smells of elderberries! :)
*puts on hip waders and waits for the midden to hit the windmill*
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*shrug* It's worth a try... Oh, yeah? Well, I think that you're wrong. And everything you stand for is WRONG! And your father smells of elderberries! :)
*puts on hip waders and waits for the midden to hit the windmill*
Obligatory related side comment that also serves to extend thread:
I just saw "Spamalot" two nights ago. It was somewhat different from the movie, but still very funny. (and, yes, the elderberry line was in the play.)
<singing style=Diva>
What ever happened to my part?
</singing>
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(Look, do you want to get ahead of Tolerance/Intolerance or not?)
Oh, yeah? Well, I think that you're wrong. And everything you stand for is WRONG! And your father smells of elderberries!
Oh, yeah? Well, you are a doody-head! Everything YOU stand for smells of DOODY! And so does your father!
(Also, some bastard rewired my keyboard so the period is mapped to the exclamation mark! It's getting annoying! So !!! if you have any advice on how this might be corrected, I'd be grateful for it!)
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Well "Tolerance/Intolerance" is up to page 11 and 22 posts ahead at this point, sorry.
We need to be more inflamatory. Speaking of flames, I'm going to try for a single answer trifecta:
What about zombies as fuel for fire? A burning zombie soon becomes a dead(?), non-functioning zombie (answer for ClintMemo's weapon's thread), get enough of them together and we would run a steam plant (answer for oddpod's resource thread), and my character would be the nerdy loner virgin, who's secret hobby/passion is flames (an arsonist who abides by the law) and this weird obsession is what saves his town (he's got flamethrowers and can built flamewalls and such) and this makes him a hero - who, of course, tragically dies saving his impetuous sweetheart, whom he has had a crush on since grade school. Or I'd be a guy like Ash, with a chainsaw hand! That would be cool - a chainsaw hand and a smart ass answer for everything.
Oh and BlairHippo, ClintMemo, Thaurismunths - you are all of you wrong, you are more cowardly than English K-nig-its, and my one true God will smite thee with great vengenance and furious anger if you survive this Plague of Zombies (this was #11 if the Egyptians hadn't wised up)
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What about zombies as fuel for fire?
Or attach some brains to a fishing pole out in front of them and use multiple zombies for turning turbines deep underground, supplying electricity to cities worldwide!
tho burning zombies would look cooler... either way it will be incredibly smelly...
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it carnt be more smelly than non-burning zombis
so we nead somthing contrevershal to get thing hoted up?
what do we think about the living dead as sexual recreashon?
just kick all the teath out slip on a rubber johnny and youre good to go!
you can ether have them cold or stick pipes in the aretes/vains and pump warm wharter thue them.
of corse the ladys looking for love will nead to sort out some kind of scafolding , but on the whole i think its a fine solushon for fokes who have ended up whith undead partners,
it nedent be till death do us part
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ummm... yea thats worse than blow up dolls.
Ya gotta be REALLY desperate to need that. It would probably be very uncomfortable too.
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Hmmmm -ever since Bdoomed cut down the Tolerance thread, we've been ahead - coincidence that he posted here last??? :P
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Hmmmm -ever since Bdoomed cut down the Tolerance thread, we've been ahead - coincidence that he posted here last??? :P
Hell no.
Sometimes, nothing beats having someone on the inside. :)
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Oh, My God! (http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9723086-7.html)
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Hmmmm -ever since Bdoomed cut down the Tolerance thread, we've been ahead - coincidence that he posted here last??? :P
haha i didnt realize i was part of a conspiracy!
(or did i?)
Oh, My God! (http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9723086-7.html)
no... noooo.... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! The end has come (crying shame they didnt destroy all of the macs there...)
(ha but how amazingly, horrifically funny would it be if someone truly believed they were zombies and whipped out a shotgun and a katana and started kickin arse)
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no... noooo.... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! The end has come (crying shame they didnt destroy all of the macs there...)
(ha but how amazingly, horrifically funny would it be if someone truly believed they were zombies and whipped out a shotgun and a katana and started kickin arse)
"Lady, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to leave the store."
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This... This will be my zombie vehicle. (http://www.defenselink.mil/transformation/images/photos/2005-03/Hi-Res/ai032405a1.jpg)
Except I want to have a pair of 48" chainsaws (http://store.baileys-online.com/cgi-bin/baileys/2043) on the end of the arm, instead of the mine sifter.
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We can't have been out of things to talk about here. We didn't really have our plans figured out yet.
I promised Heradel I'd poke some holes into a few of his ideas. I'm just about to run out of the house here, so I only have time for one.
The island idea is fun, but sailing on open water is not easy and the distances involved, especially to places like midway, are immense. A real sailor probably wouldn't have suggested the island idea for anything more than a few hundred miles off. For newbie sailors it's more like twenty. Weather, that is absolutely no problem to drive through, will sink most boats, that an untrained sailor could even get moving.
Also many of the islands suggested, especially Greenland, are unpopulated for a reason. Staying on them is extrememly difficult even when you come equipped with everything you'll need to set up shelter and to eat. Greenland has almost no food. No edible plant life and limited animal food. It also has no fuel source not even wood.
More later, gotta go.
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We can't have been out of things to talk about here. We didn't really have our plans figured out yet.
So, I took a long, hard look on Google Earth today, and I'm so boned.
I'm about 20 minutes outside of Detroit, in the suburbs. That puts me in a high residential zone with few highways, and they're already hard to navigate with normal traffic. Supposing I try to run, my options are Mid-Michigan, or the water.
Going the Island route, there several good locations: small residential islands with in 10 miles of shore. Problem is, they're already occupied and well known. I doubt I'll be the only person to think of making it to them for safety. And as I don't have a watercraft I'd have to steal one and hope I don't sink it/me.
Heading west is probably my better option. Michigan has long flat highways that will fill up quickly with evacuees, but we also have lots of dirt roads and flat fields, and I have a jeep. Odds are I'll be able to make it wherever I need to with enough gas and batteries for my GPS. Weapons aren't much of a problem, I have the basic ideas of how to make and use most English & Celtic weapons. Firearms will be a little more difficult if I have to get them on my own, but if I meet up with some friends they'll be able to help me out.
That still leaves me the question of where to go though. I’ll probably head to a state park for starters. I’ve yet to see a Park Ranger Office that isn’t made from brick, and they all have radio towers, emergency supplies, out houses, and some times even a 4x4 truck.
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I´m not sure if others have seen this and know the full extent of the danger:
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/05/29/zombie-cat/ (http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/05/29/zombie-cat/)
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I'm just gonna throw this out there. Take it as you like.
Maggot gun.
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I'm just gonna throw this out there. Take it as you like.
Maggot gun.
So, a weapon that you fire at a zombie, wait a few weeks, and then he'll fall apart?
I think throwing jars of maple syrup at the zombies would have much the same effect, and also has the advantage of not having to run the risk of a maggot infection every time you reload with an open wound.
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I'm just gonna throw this out there. Take it as you like.
Maggot gun.
So, a weapon that you fire at a zombie, wait a few weeks, and then he'll fall apart?
I think throwing jars of maple syrup at the zombies would have much the same effect, and also has the advantage of not having to run the risk of a maggot infection every time you reload with an open wound.
You bring up a good point.
However, you won't have to worry about a maggot infection as they only eat dead flesh.
In fact, they're used in surgery to clean up nasty wounds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggot_therapy
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However, you won't have to worry about a maggot infection as they only eat dead flesh.
In fact, they're used in surgery to clean up nasty wounds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggot_therapy
Sure, in controlled, otherwise sterile conditions maggot infections are not an issue and have beneficial uses. But maggots in the wild are disease-carriers, so that while they might not eat too much of the living flesh, they can certainly make things considerably worse.
Anyway, in order to not veer too far off topic, I'll offer my own plan in case of a zombie armageddon: not surviving.
Simply put, I think that what film and literature teaches us is that zombies are never the start of something good. You rarely hear or read people say "well, the zombies were a bit rough, but in hindsight, they really helped raise our standard of living". No, zombies are always followed by martial rule and society becoming an authoritarian dystopia, or else they make society degenerate into chaos where every day is a battle. And when you get used to that, there's another zombie outbreak to make things even worse. Surviving just doesn't seem worth the hassle, really.
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I'm just gonna throw this out there. Take it as you like.
Maggot gun.
So, a weapon that you fire at a zombie, wait a few weeks, and then he'll fall apart?
I think throwing jars of maple syrup at the zombies would have much the same effect, and also has the advantage of not having to run the risk of a maggot infection every time you reload with an open wound.
Good point. Although I'm not sure about it taking weeks (I guess it's dependent on whether you have the 2# hopper or the 20#). Alas, it's a moot point. 'Not quick enough' is what I'm hearing. Well this isn't a quick fix to get you out of the tight situation kinda thing. This is an end-to-the-entire-problem type fix.
You're not looking at the big picture. Zombie attacks are alien species' method of helping us save ourselves. Let me spell it out for you.
You see, here's how it works. Maggot guns are dispersed by various forward thinking world governments for the eventuality of zombie attack (let's face it, we all know it's coming).
Step 1. After the initial onslaught, there's still several million people alive. Those people then shoot their Maggot guns at targets non stop for about a week (Of course being able to reload with the supplied "U.S. Maggot Farm" [supply your own excrement]).
Step 2. Zombies sprayed with said maggots begin to decay rapidly.
Step 3. Zombies return home after a long day's brain eating and pass on the maggots to their zombie wife and children. The children then pass on even MORE maggots to the kids at Zombie School and their zombie teachers.
Step 4. Hold up in the Winchester with your best mate and wait for the calvery.
Step 5. After 2 weeks, Repeat previous steps with Government supplied "Bat gun" to deal with the left over pestilent fly population.
Step 6. Bats go fill up caves with Guano. Excess bats die off in said caves.
Step 7. Hippies mysteriously grow most potent Cannabis crops in the history of the world
Step 8. World Peace is declared 4 months later.
See. Undead invasions are for our own good.
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Well if you put it that way...
now all we gotta do is figure out how to bring about an undead invasion. anyone? anyone?
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thats easy
the work is already half done for us!
day time TV, the ultimat zombifier
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thats easy
the work is already half done for us!
day time TV, the ultimat zombifier
That's it. Bob Barker was the zombie overlord. Can you believe he almost got away after leaving that show? Quick get your weapons. We're going to Hollywood.
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That's it. Bob Barker was the zombie overlord. Can you believe he almost got away after leaving that show? Quick get your weapons. We're going to Hollywood.
Well, that explains the whole 'not dieing' thing.
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So, I took a long, hard look on Google Earth today, and I'm so boned.
Have we determined how good zombies will be at tracking us down?
If you could hole up in the basement for 24-48 hours, I'm thinking the zombies will just chase down all the easy pickings first. Then you use your handy periscope to have a quick peek around and if the coast is clear, you load up the Monster Masher you showed us earlier and drive over top all the cars in your way to the nearest island.
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I'm thinking we (escape pod community) should all try to make our way to San Francisco when this all goes down (on second thought, add a few more select people. I'm going to put Jessica Alba and Rosario Dawson on my RSVP). Here's my reasoning as to why San Fransisco is the greatest Zombie hold out in the world.
1. San Francisco has a large proportion of homosexual males. This means that a larger part of the zombie pie will have tastes that are far too discriminating for sci-fi geeks... although... Our larger brains may only serve to put us on the top of the overpriced, trendy, zombie menus, completely screwing us. If that were to occur, we'd have...
2. Bridges. By strategically using the Golden Gate and Bay Bridges as choke points, you can minimize the directions from which the zombies can come at you but eventually, you'll have to pull back to...
3. Fisherman's wharf. If you're going to be holed up, might as well do it in a fun place with good food and SEALS!!! Eventually the zombie seals will overtake the cute ones... Anyhoo. The shape of the place would funnel the zombies right down the center. The second level would serve as a great tactical point from which hellfire can be rained down upon the undead. But again, you'll eventually have to pull back to...
4. The Beach!!! YaY! Bonfires lit by perfectly dried, riggored corpses. Champaign looted from local stores. Gentel music played by local musicians and all the bongs and bricks of medical Marijuana will make this spot extra special as you fall asleep to the groans of brain hungry damned. They will of course be kept at bay by a half circle of burning corpses surrounding the secured zone. The perimeter of course will have to be maintained by several people on a rotating basis in order to allow for the final move to...
5. Alcatraz! The perfect Zombie fortress. Although zombies might be able to swim, they would do so too slowly to actually keep them afloat, which means they'd have to walk the distance along the bottom floor to get to the island. However the island of Alcatraz has 2 top notch Zombie defenses.
a. Swift currents - Enough to wash away any slow moving zombie people, seals or sea horses
b. Vicious man eating sharks - If the make it into the water and even a quarter of the way, the shark population would explode due to food abundance, repelling the invasion even further
At Alcatraz, every day will be a holiday as we all fall asleep to beautiful sulfury glow of San Francisco ablaze, in our safe, cozy new zombie-proof home.
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5. Alcatraz! The perfect Zombie fortress. Although zombies might be able to swim, they would do so too slowly to actually keep them afloat, which means they'd have to walk the distance along the bottom floor to get to the island. However the island of Alcatraz has 2 top notch Zombie defenses.
a. Swift currents - Enough to wash away any slow moving zombie people, seals or sea horses
b. Vicious man eating sharks - If the make it into the water and even a quarter of the way, the shark population would explode due to food abundance, repelling the invasion even further
At Alcatraz, every day will be a holiday as we all fall asleep to beautiful sulfury glow of San Francisco ablaze, in our safe, cozy new zombie-proof home.
That could be a movie...
"Escape to Alcatraz"
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so
we all know that its not long till the end of the word , but will it defanatly be zombeas?
what other ends are thare?
any that are often ignored by the un-wise?
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so
we all know that its not long till the end of the word , but will it defanatly be zombeas?
what other ends are thare?
any that are often ignored by the un-wise?
I've always thought Vampires were the real threat.
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so
we all know that its not long till the end of the word , but will it defanatly be zombeas?
what other ends are thare?
any that are often ignored by the un-wise?
Children... Cute ones.
I mean... They DID have a crusade. Logic dictates that it's only a matter of time before they try it again, but this time, against the whole world, in larger numbers and with better technology that confuses and enfuriates adults.
Now right about here is where I'd put my detailed list of children's plans to take over the world. Unless someone requests it... It's Sunday. I'm lazy. But mark my words, You'll remember this as children force feed you brussel sprouts until you renounce your adulthood.
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i renounced my adulthood loooong ago
i recon if the ferst childerans crusade is anything to go buy then we have littel to wory about, unles you are a parent that is
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"Failures are finger posts on the road to achievement. "
-C. S. Lewis (1898 - 1963)
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Somewhere I saw a solar powered battery charger. IIRC, It charged a pair of AA's in about 8 hours. I plan on getting a few of those. I already have about a dozen rechargeable AA's - and 4 wind up lights.
If it charges NiMH batteries, PM me a link when you find it.
I bought a box of 8 solar-powered LED path lights for real cheap (from Home Depot or WalMart maybe?), and they work just fine as all-purpose battery chargers. They came with a pair of NiCad AA batteries each, but NiMH batteries are fine too. I take them camping, some for night-lights and some to charge batteries for flashlights, radios, etc. You just have to remember to take the batteries out of the ones you don't want to let run down overnight.
Speaking of renewable resources, the indie band "The Mekons" have a wunnerful song about using zombies as a resource.
Check out http://www.epitonic.com/albums/oooh.html and download the "Dancing In The Head" mp3.
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Umm...
Hello? (http://www.amazon.com/World-War-Z-History-Zombie/dp/0307346609/ref=pd_sim_b_1_img/002-2847424-5354411?ie=UTF8&qid=1182476114&sr=8-2)
Hello?! (http://www.amazon.com/Zombie-Survival-Guide-Max-Brooks/dp/071563318X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/002-2847424-5354411?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182476114&sr=8-2)
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I have a real problem with all of the hack and slash solutions to fighting zombies. Now I admit I'm new to the whole zombie thing (beyond the basic stereotype), but if we're assuming only destruction of the brain can stop them, by the time yout down to using swords, it's game over. You can't take more than a couple at a time before you'll just be crushed under bodies.
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I have a real problem with all of the hack and slash solutions to fighting zombies. Now I admit I'm new to the whole zombie thing (beyond the basic stereotype), but if we're assuming only destruction of the brain can stop them, by the time yout down to using swords, it's game over. You can't take more than a couple at a time before you'll just be crushed under bodies.
I think the hope is that you're only using your sword when there are a few of them around.
Do you have another strategy?
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I have a real problem with all of the hack and slash solutions to fighting zombies. Now I admit I'm new to the whole zombie thing (beyond the basic stereotype), but if we're assuming only destruction of the brain can stop them, by the time yout down to using swords, it's game over. You can't take more than a couple at a time before you'll just be crushed under bodies.
I think the hope is that you're only using your sword when there are a few of them around.
Do you have another strategy?
Well, if the only way to kill them is the brains thing, then high impact bullets. None of this pansy 9mm crap.
For all of my chooses you need to use hollow point or dum dum bullets. These are bullets with no armor piercing capability. They don't go through things. They hit things and pull it with them. This means they won't go through a door, but they will take the back half of a head with them on their way out.
The classic Colt .45 M1911 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_1911) for closer in action. The design requirements from the army was for a handgun that would stop a charging horse dead in its tracks. It's only a seven shot gun, so I'd have to find extended clips. They're legal in Virginia. I'll pick up a few there.
When I have a little more space or for sniping, I'd switch to the AR-15 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15). This is a civilian—semi automatic—version of the M-16. It has a smaller projectile, but it travels faster than a normal round. For extra damage you could use tumblers which are bullets that don't hold the tight spiral and start to, well, tumble. They just causee a huge mess when they hit, but they cut down the effective range.
The less refined, but tougher AK-47 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ak-47) or even AK-74 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ak-74) would be good to have for times when you just need to throw some lead or for crawling through some mud and don't want your weopon to jam.
US Claymore landmines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claymore_mine) would be the preferred base defense when you think they're going to come all at once.
And the ultimate wishlist piece. A mama deuce .50 Machine Gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning_machine_gun).
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2010/1659370908_920e34e953_o.jpg)
I listed mostly civilian stuff. Until the claymores I didn't list anything I hadn't seen in a South Jersey gun shop.
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Those are some FINE tools you listed there, all but the .50 cal. You'll have to have a HMMWV just to haul the ammo on that.
However, I think you underestimate the effectivity of a 9mm. You only have to destroy the brain, not make it a fine pink mist.
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what bout us limes!!
we arnt alowed all the fun toys you lot get
dose any one know how to make fire arms out of comen house hold items?
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Those are some FINE tools you listed there, all but the .50 cal. You'll have to have a HMMWV just to haul the ammo on that.
However, I think you underestimate the effectivity of a 9mm. You only have to destroy the brain, not make it a fine pink mist.
A 9mm doesn't have the juice to really get in there except at really close range, and you have to be dead on. The .45 will take of the side of the skull where the 9mm would have just ricocheted. The .50 caliber went with the claymores as a defensive tool.
I figured when I was out and about, I'd be on a mountain bike or motorcycle with the AR-15 slung over my back and the .45 on my hip. A lot of the problems with getting around are solved when you're on two wheels.
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what bout us limes!!
we arnt alowed all the fun toys you lot get
dose any one know how to make fire arms out of comen house hold items?
Technically I'm screwed too. I'm living in Berlin. Getting firearms here is almost as bad as in England. Although I'm not very far from the American Consulate and there is a Marine detachment and an military S.W.A.T. team there.
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Those are some FINE tools you listed there, all but the .50 cal. You'll have to have a HMMWV just to haul the ammo on that.
However, I think you underestimate the effectivity of a 9mm. You only have to destroy the brain, not make it a fine pink mist.
A 9mm doesn't have the juice to really get in there except at really close range, and you have to be dead on. The .45 will take of the side of the skull where the 9mm would have just ricocheted.
That's a good point.
That, and a .45 is just so much fun to shoot!
I figured when I was out and about, I'd be on a mountain bike or motorcycle with the AR-15 slung over my back and the .45 on my hip. A lot of the problems with getting around are solved when you're on two wheels.
Definitely. Especially if you're in the open, such as rural areas.
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what bout us limes!!
we arnt alowed all the fun toys you lot get
dose any one know how to make fire arms out of comen house hold items?
Fear not!
www.bombshock.com/fronts/weapons.html
www.butokukai.com/HOMEMADE_WEAPONS.html
www.thehomegunsmith.com/
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Those are some FINE tools you listed there, all but the .50 cal. You'll have to have a HMMWV just to haul the ammo on that.
However, I think you underestimate the effectivity of a 9mm. You only have to destroy the brain, not make it a fine pink mist.
A 9mm doesn't have the juice to really get in there except at really close range, and you have to be dead on. The .45 will take of the side of the skull where the 9mm would have just ricocheted. The .50 caliber went with the claymores as a defensive tool.
I figured when I was out and about, I'd be on a mountain bike or motorcycle with the AR-15 slung over my back and the .45 on my hip. A lot of the problems with getting around are solved when you're on two wheels.
I kind of like the tricycle better. Sure, you may not ge the speed of a 2 wheeler, but you do get:
1. Better manuverability
2. Tighter turning radius
3. Those flat spots in the back for someone to stand on (with numchucks of course)
4. A good laugh cause face it; You're gonna die.
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Those are some FINE tools you listed there, all but the .50 cal. You'll have to have a HMMWV just to haul the ammo on that.
However, I think you underestimate the effectivity of a 9mm. You only have to destroy the brain, not make it a fine pink mist.
A 9mm doesn't have the juice to really get in there except at really close range, and you have to be dead on. The .45 will take of the side of the skull where the 9mm would have just ricocheted.
That's a good point.
That, and a .45 is just so much fun to shoot!
Edit:
One other thing on the .45. If I turn a corner and there are two zombies, the 9mm only does me any good if I blow there brains out. A shot from a 9mm in the chest will do nothing. At close range if I hit one with a .45 in the chest, I either blow out his spinal column or, more likely, I knock him back off his feet. This gives me time to blow the other's head off or knock him off his feet. Then I can start blowing brains out.
I figured when I was out and about, I'd be on a mountain bike or motorcycle with the AR-15 slung over my back and the .45 on my hip. A lot of the problems with getting around are solved when you're on two wheels.
Definitely. Especially if you're in the open, such as rural areas.
One of the biggest problems we talked about was getting around all of the direlect cars in the streets and on the highways. That's where the regular motorcycle would really have an advantage. It's just a lot harder to get trapped when you're on a good bike.
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Those are some FINE tools you listed there, all but the .50 cal. You'll have to have a HMMWV just to haul the ammo on that.
However, I think you underestimate the effectivity of a 9mm. You only have to destroy the brain, not make it a fine pink mist.
A 9mm doesn't have the juice to really get in there except at really close range, and you have to be dead on. The .45 will take of the side of the skull where the 9mm would have just ricocheted. The .50 caliber went with the claymores as a defensive tool.
I figured when I was out and about, I'd be on a mountain bike or motorcycle with the AR-15 slung over my back and the .45 on my hip. A lot of the problems with getting around are solved when you're on two wheels.
I kind of like the tricycle better. Sure, you may not ge the speed of a 2 wheeler, but you do get:
1. Better manuverability
2. Tighter turning radius
3. Those flat spots in the back for someone to stand on (with numchucks of course)
4. A good laugh cause face it; You're gonna die.
Zombie propagandist !! ;)
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You only have to destroy the brain, not make it a fine pink mist.
Here's a point we skipped by: How much damage do you need to do to the brain? Can you put a small calliber slug into it and he keeps going? Does he just end up lurching in circles or does it put him down?
This is another reason why I'm sticking with the .45.
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Those are some FINE tools you listed there, all but the .50 cal. You'll have to have a HMMWV just to haul the ammo on that.
However, I think you underestimate the effectivity of a 9mm. You only have to destroy the brain, not make it a fine pink mist.
A 9mm doesn't have the juice to really get in there except at really close range, and you have to be dead on. The .45 will take of the side of the skull where the 9mm would have just ricocheted. The .50 caliber went with the claymores as a defensive tool.
I figured when I was out and about, I'd be on a mountain bike or motorcycle with the AR-15 slung over my back and the .45 on my hip. A lot of the problems with getting around are solved when you're on two wheels.
I kind of like the tricycle better. Sure, you may not ge the speed of a 2 wheeler, but you do get:
1. Better manuverability
2. Tighter turning radius
3. Those flat spots in the back for someone to stand on (with numchucks of course)
4. A good laugh cause face it; You're gonna die.
Zombie propagandist !! ;)
Are you calling me a Zombie Operative?! Sent here to covertly gather intelligence about your people and conduct various sorts of sinister acts of espionage? Things like, contaminating your water supply with certain chemicals that make your bodies and yes, oh so delicious brains, more paletable and nutritious for the glorious rise of the undead?
your crazy. quit talking crazy talk, crazy man.
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Those are some FINE tools you listed there, all but the .50 cal. You'll have to have a HMMWV just to haul the ammo on that.
However, I think you underestimate the effectivity of a 9mm. You only have to destroy the brain, not make it a fine pink mist.
A 9mm doesn't have the juice to really get in there except at really close range, and you have to be dead on. The .45 will take of the side of the skull where the 9mm would have just ricocheted. The .50 caliber went with the claymores as a defensive tool.
I figured when I was out and about, I'd be on a mountain bike or motorcycle with the AR-15 slung over my back and the .45 on my hip. A lot of the problems with getting around are solved when you're on two wheels.
I kind of like the tricycle better. Sure, you may not ge the speed of a 2 wheeler, but you do get:
1. Better manuverability
2. Tighter turning radius
3. Those flat spots in the back for someone to stand on (with numchucks of course)
4. A good laugh cause face it; You're gonna die.
Zombie propagandist !! ;)
Are you calling me a Zombie Operative?! Sent here to covertly gather intelligence about your people and conduct various sorts of sinister acts of espionage? Things like, contaminating your water supply with certain chemicals that make your bodies and yes, oh so delicious brains, more paletable and nutritious for the glorious rise of the undead?
your crazy. quit talking crazy talk, crazy man.
Huh... Well, when you put it that way it does sound kind of, um... silly.
*nonchalantly draws unslings his Zom-B-Gone (tm)
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Those are some FINE tools you listed there, all but the .50 cal. You'll have to have a HMMWV just to haul the ammo on that.
However, I think you underestimate the effectivity of a 9mm. You only have to destroy the brain, not make it a fine pink mist.
A 9mm doesn't have the juice to really get in there except at really close range, and you have to be dead on. The .45 will take of the side of the skull where the 9mm would have just ricocheted. The .50 caliber went with the claymores as a defensive tool.
I figured when I was out and about, I'd be on a mountain bike or motorcycle with the AR-15 slung over my back and the .45 on my hip. A lot of the problems with getting around are solved when you're on two wheels.
I kind of like the tricycle better. Sure, you may not ge the speed of a 2 wheeler, but you do get:
1. Better manuverability
2. Tighter turning radius
3. Those flat spots in the back for someone to stand on (with numchucks of course)
4. A good laugh cause face it; You're gonna die.
Zombie propagandist !! ;)
Are you calling me a Zombie Operative?! Sent here to covertly gather intelligence about your people and conduct various sorts of sinister acts of espionage? Things like, contaminating your water supply with certain chemicals that make your bodies and yes, oh so delicious brains, more paletable and nutritious for the glorious rise of the undead?
your crazy. quit talking crazy talk, crazy man.
Huh... Well, when you put it that way it does sound kind of, um... silly.
*nonchalantly draws unslings his Zom-B-Gone (tm)
Oh, oh, I saw that in the store on the weekend. It's sweet. Did you get the solid composite or the folding stock? And what do you think about the laser sight?
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Those are some FINE tools you listed there, all but the .50 cal. You'll have to have a HMMWV just to haul the ammo on that.
However, I think you underestimate the effectivity of a 9mm. You only have to destroy the brain, not make it a fine pink mist.
A 9mm doesn't have the juice to really get in there except at really close range, and you have to be dead on. The .45 will take of the side of the skull where the 9mm would have just ricocheted. The .50 caliber went with the claymores as a defensive tool.
I figured when I was out and about, I'd be on a mountain bike or motorcycle with the AR-15 slung over my back and the .45 on my hip. A lot of the problems with getting around are solved when you're on two wheels.
I kind of like the tricycle better. Sure, you may not ge the speed of a 2 wheeler, but you do get:
1. Better manuverability
2. Tighter turning radius
3. Those flat spots in the back for someone to stand on (with numchucks of course)
4. A good laugh cause face it; You're gonna die.
Zombie propagandist !! ;)
Are you calling me a Zombie Operative?! Sent here to covertly gather intelligence about your people and conduct various sorts of sinister acts of espionage? Things like, contaminating your water supply with certain chemicals that make your bodies and yes, oh so delicious brains, more paletable and nutritious for the glorious rise of the undead?
your crazy. quit talking crazy talk, crazy man.
Huh... Well, when you put it that way it does sound kind of, um... silly.
*nonchalantly draws unslings his Zom-B-Gone (tm)
Oh, oh, I saw that in the store on the weekend. It's sweet. Did you get the solid composite or the folding stock? And what do you think about the laser sight?
Neither, I'm afraid: Hand finished non-slip pine stock with tip and butt spikes.
I'm a sucker for a classic. ; )
I'm thinking of upgrading when the '08 model comes out. It's supposed to be a total re-draw.
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Those are some FINE tools you listed there, all but the .50 cal. You'll have to have a HMMWV just to haul the ammo on that.
However, I think you underestimate the effectivity of a 9mm. You only have to destroy the brain, not make it a fine pink mist.
A 9mm doesn't have the juice to really get in there except at really close range, and you have to be dead on. The .45 will take of the side of the skull where the 9mm would have just ricocheted. The .50 caliber went with the claymores as a defensive tool.
I figured when I was out and about, I'd be on a mountain bike or motorcycle with the AR-15 slung over my back and the .45 on my hip. A lot of the problems with getting around are solved when you're on two wheels.
I kind of like the tricycle better. Sure, you may not ge the speed of a 2 wheeler, but you do get:
1. Better manuverability
2. Tighter turning radius
3. Those flat spots in the back for someone to stand on (with numchucks of course)
4. A good laugh cause face it; You're gonna die.
Zombie propagandist !! ;)
Are you calling me a Zombie Operative?! Sent here to covertly gather intelligence about your people and conduct various sorts of sinister acts of espionage? Things like, contaminating your water supply with certain chemicals that make your bodies and yes, oh so delicious brains, more paletable and nutritious for the glorious rise of the undead?
your crazy. quit talking crazy talk, crazy man.
Huh... Well, when you put it that way it does sound kind of, um... silly.
*nonchalantly draws unslings his Zom-B-Gone (tm)
Oh, oh, I saw that in the store on the weekend. It's sweet. Did you get the solid composite or the folding stock? And what do you think about the laser sight?
Neither, I'm afraid: Hand finished non-slip pine stock with tip and butt spikes.
I'm a sucker for a classic. ; )
I'm thinking of upgrading when the '08 model comes out. It's supposed to be a total re-draw.
In a wood stock I always find myself going with the maple. I guess in that sense I'm a traditionalist.
I didn't like that the design for the '08 didn't have the single-shot 12-guage under the main barrel.
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Those are some FINE tools you listed there, all but the .50 cal. You'll have to have a HMMWV just to haul the ammo on that.
However, I think you underestimate the effectivity of a 9mm. You only have to destroy the brain, not make it a fine pink mist.
A 9mm doesn't have the juice to really get in there except at really close range, and you have to be dead on. The .45 will take of the side of the skull where the 9mm would have just ricocheted. The .50 caliber went with the claymores as a defensive tool.
I figured when I was out and about, I'd be on a mountain bike or motorcycle with the AR-15 slung over my back and the .45 on my hip. A lot of the problems with getting around are solved when you're on two wheels.
I kind of like the tricycle better. Sure, you may not ge the speed of a 2 wheeler, but you do get:
1. Better manuverability
2. Tighter turning radius
3. Those flat spots in the back for someone to stand on (with numchucks of course)
4. A good laugh cause face it; You're gonna die.
Zombie propagandist !! ;)
Are you calling me a Zombie Operative?! Sent here to covertly gather intelligence about your people and conduct various sorts of sinister acts of espionage? Things like, contaminating your water supply with certain chemicals that make your bodies and yes, oh so delicious brains, more paletable and nutritious for the glorious rise of the undead?
your crazy. quit talking crazy talk, crazy man.
Huh... Well, when you put it that way it does sound kind of, um... silly.
*nonchalantly draws unslings his Zom-B-Gone (tm)
Oh, oh, I saw that in the store on the weekend. It's sweet. Did you get the solid composite or the folding stock? And what do you think about the laser sight?
Neither, I'm afraid: Hand finished non-slip pine stock with tip and butt spikes.
I'm a sucker for a classic. ; )
I'm thinking of upgrading when the '08 model comes out. It's supposed to be a total re-draw.
In a wood stock I always find myself going with the maple. I guess in that sense I'm a traditionalist.
I didn't like that the design for the '08 didn't have the single-shot 12-guage under the main barrel.
Just found out the old rifle with the maple stock was really an old rifle with a walnut stock. So if the Zom-B-Gone people make it, I think I would have to go with that or the folding stock.
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Those are some FINE tools you listed there, all but the .50 cal. You'll have to have a HMMWV just to haul the ammo on that.
However, I think you underestimate the effectivity of a 9mm. You only have to destroy the brain, not make it a fine pink mist.
A 9mm doesn't have the juice to really get in there except at really close range, and you have to be dead on. The .45 will take of the side of the skull where the 9mm would have just ricocheted. The .50 caliber went with the claymores as a defensive tool.
I figured when I was out and about, I'd be on a mountain bike or motorcycle with the AR-15 slung over my back and the .45 on my hip. A lot of the problems with getting around are solved when you're on two wheels.
I kind of like the tricycle better. Sure, you may not ge the speed of a 2 wheeler, but you do get:
1. Better manuverability
2. Tighter turning radius
3. Those flat spots in the back for someone to stand on (with numchucks of course)
4. A good laugh cause face it; You're gonna die.
Zombie propagandist !! ;)
Are you calling me a Zombie Operative?! Sent here to covertly gather intelligence about your people and conduct various sorts of sinister acts of espionage? Things like, contaminating your water supply with certain chemicals that make your bodies and yes, oh so delicious brains, more paletable and nutritious for the glorious rise of the undead?
your crazy. quit talking crazy talk, crazy man.
Huh... Well, when you put it that way it does sound kind of, um... silly.
*nonchalantly draws unslings his Zom-B-Gone (tm)
Oh, oh, I saw that in the store on the weekend. It's sweet. Did you get the solid composite or the folding stock? And what do you think about the laser sight?
Neither, I'm afraid: Hand finished non-slip pine stock with tip and butt spikes.
I'm a sucker for a classic. ; )
I'm thinking of upgrading when the '08 model comes out. It's supposed to be a total re-draw.
In a wood stock I always find myself going with the maple. I guess in that sense I'm a traditionalist.
I didn't like that the design for the '08 didn't have the single-shot 12-guage under the main barrel.
I think that's in design for the '09 season. They're getting too much out of the '07 design (http://Thaurismunths link=topic=20.msg2591#msg2591 date=1170516813) to risk changing it much.
But you can't go wrong with a good ole' fire axe[url]! (http://www.accordintl.com/Resources/mfireaxe.jpeg)
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jeez guys, cut down on the MASSIVE quote boxes...
anyways im just gonna stick with a good ol katana... dont need to worry about ammo...
tho i might just keep a .45 nearby just in case
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jeez guys, cut down on the MASSIVE quote boxes...
anyways im just gonna stick with a good ol katana... dont need to worry about ammo...
tho i might just keep a .45 nearby just in case
The quote boxes were just fun.
The sword idea isn't bad when you're only dealing with one at a time. If you have a few of them, firepower is more the way to go.
Also, Have we heard back from the scientists on the blood spray issue. If you chop off a head and zombie blood sprays all over you, is it dangerous? What if you have open battle wounds? Just another reason why keeping your distance is not a bad idea.
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Zombie Plan-
Step 1) Get the frak out of the 4th largest city in America
Step 2) Kill Zombies
Step 3) Survive
Step 4) Repopulate the Earth
Step 5) Wait 10,000 years
Step 6) Repeat steps 1-5 for all of eternity
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Step 1) Get the frak out of the 4th largest city in America
Step 2) Kill Zombies
Step 3) Survive
Step 4) Repopulate the Earth
Step 5) Wait 10,000 years
Step 6) Repeat steps 1-5 for all of eternity
Step 7) ???
Step 8 ) Profit!
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Step 1) Get the frak out of the 4th largest city in America
Step 2) Kill Zombies
Step 3) Survive
Step 4) Repopulate the Earth
Step 5) Wait 10,000 years
Step 6) Repeat steps 1-5 for all of eternity
Step 7) ???
Step 8 ) Profit!
ROFL! ^_^
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Step 1) Get the frak out of the 4th largest city in America
Step 2) Kill Zombies
Step 3) Survive
Step 4) Repopulate the Earth
Step 5) Wait 10,000 years
Step 6) Repeat steps 1-5 for all of eternity
Step 7) ???
Step 8 ) Profit!
ROFL! ^_^
I think we need to split inot teams. Each team has a different duty. I'll head up the team handling step 4.
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I want step 2, though step 5 may not be bad. If I can live forever, and I have EP, and a really big harddrive for every creative thing EVER created.
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Hmmm... just had a horrible thought: What if the zombies get Steve?
There won't be any more EP.
Perhaps we'd better figure out how to extract Steve and his family from Georgia and get a safe house put together, lest we suffer zombies AND no new EPs?
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And Ben, we need some PP as well. Plus, being editor I am sure he has heard some great zombie plans.
So, here is what we do:
1) Mur Lafferty will team up with Jason Adams and they will go to Fort Bragg
2) They will pick up a Pave Low and fly to Steve's house
3) They pick up Steve and family then procede to a nearby private airport and get on a GS4 jet piloted by Bdoomed.
4) They will fly first to Miami to pick up J.C. Hutchins and procece to an an airport near Ben.
4) They fly to Payson Municipal Airport in AZ.
5) I will meet them there with Mike Mennenga, Summer Brookes, Evo Terra, Brian Brown, and Mike Stackpole.
6) We will refuel the jet and procede to one of the SF suburbs and pick up Sigler.
7) We will land in Flagstaff, AZ where we will hide out till the end. If you want to be with the podcasting community you'll want to be there.
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If you want to be with the podcasting community you'll want to be there.
Podcasting with no electricity and definately no internet is just sitting around telling stories.
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You'll have Sigler and Hutch, I fail to see a problem.
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Podcasting with no electricity and definately no internet is just sitting around telling stories.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
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Podcasting with no electricity and definately no internet is just sitting around telling stories.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
I'm just saying it's no longer podcasting.
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I'm just saying it's no longer podcasting.
Hmmm... good point.
So we'll need a generator truck and some computer equipment as well.
Maybe we should start thinking about a pirate radio station, or possibly short wave?
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or lots of string and yogurt pots
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I'm just saying it's no longer podcasting.
Hmmm... good point.
So we'll need a generator truck and some computer equipment as well.
Maybe we should start thinking about a pirate radio station, or possibly short wave?
Radio, short term.
Short wave, long term.
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Right, so, anyone out there have experience with radio or short wave?
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errmm
i work in an electronics shop
so i know some peopel who know
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I have a friend who is into amateur radio
...and guns
...and D&D.
I'll be sure to pick him up when I leave.
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I have a friend who is into amateur radio
...and guns
...and D&D.
I'll be sure to pick him up when I leave.
You always have to have a good DM.
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I have a friend who is into amateur radio
...and guns
...and D&D.
I'll be sure to pick him up when I leave.
You always have to have a good DM.
Good!
That gives me justification to bring myself. The rest of my skills wouldn't be very useful.
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Good!
That gives me justification to bring myself. The rest of my skills wouldn't be very useful.
The importance of moral can not be underestimated.
Besides, you could run a zombie campaign, and we could tell all the other survivors who are doing the hard stuff like farming and purifying water that we're running "practice missions". :)
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Good!
That gives me justification to bring myself. The rest of my skills wouldn't be very useful.
The importance of moral can not be underestimated.
Besides, you could run a zombie campaign, and we could tell all the other survivors who are doing the hard stuff like farming and purifying water that we're running "practice missions". :)
Well, that is the reason for having a DM. Umm yeah, that's the reason…
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i am starting a zombi apocolips rpg on thursday !!
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Wish I could join. :-[
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And Ben, we need some PP as well. Plus, being editor I am sure he has heard some great zombie plans.
So, here is what we do:
1) Mur Lafferty will team up with Jason Adams and they will go to Fort Bragg
2) They will pick up a Pave Low and fly to Steve's house
3) They pick up Steve and family then procede to a nearby private airport and get on a GS4 jet piloted by Bdoomed.
4) They will fly first to Miami to pick up J.C. Hutchins and procece to an an airport near Ben.
4) They fly to Payson Municipal Airport in AZ.
5) I will meet them there with Mike Mennenga, Summer Brookes, Evo Terra, Brian Brown, and Mike Stackpole.
6) We will refuel the jet and procede to one of the SF suburbs and pick up Sigler.
7) We will land in Flagstaff, AZ where we will hide out till the end. If you want to be with the podcasting community you'll want to be there.
I'll only fly the plane if i get to have a katana too.
and umm ill help out with steps 2 and 4 of the zombie plan
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6) We will refuel the jet and procede to one of the SF suburbs and pick up Sigler.
Yeah, so looking back on this list. I'm not really sure we need to pick up Sigler.
I'm pretty sure he can handle it on his own, if he doesn't just appoint himself Zombie Overlord.
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I bet that Sigler will be like Gary in Wellington's 'Monster Island'.
Then again, I REALLY want to hear Nocturnal.
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i recon its beter having him on ower side rather aganst it , so i vote for piking up sigler
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Now the question is, do we need Phil Rossi?
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Now the question is, do we need Phil Rossi?
I'm surprised you'd even ask.
His dark and twisted mind will be a useful tool against the Sigler Zombies.
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True, Phil Rossi as a zombie would be very dangerous. Just listen to the last episode of Crescent.
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And just When You Thought the Thread was Dead:
Calculator to estimate your chances of Surviving the Zomie apocalypse!
http://mingle2.com/zombie-quiz
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And just When You Thought the Thread was Dead:
Calculator to estimate your chances of Surviving the Zomie apocalypse!
http://mingle2.com/zombie-quiz
I thought the thread was undead.
I have a 41% chance. I kept answering that I'd go back for my family. Just my wife and kids. The others, not so much.
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83%, I think I may survive.
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83%, I think I may survive.
Wow, you must be one cold hearted bastard.
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I got only 40%.
I guess that means Leon will be blowing chunks of rotting flesh off my body as I stagger after him, moaning for his brain.
Bummer. :(
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39%
I'm screwed!
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60%....
But given that I am a type 1 diabetic, the moment the insulin runs out... I have maybe 2-3 days to live. So I doubt I'd be making it very long.
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60%....
But given that I am a type 1 diabetic, the moment the insulin runs out... I have maybe 2-3 days to live. So I doubt I'd be making it very long.
Just follow the afore stated zombie plan. I, the cold hearted bastard, will get you your insulin.
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I'll stick around and hold down the fort.
94% : )
-Not *great* with a gun, but I won't waste much ammo either.
-Once fortified and secure I would make exceptions that there might be other survivors out there.
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60%....
But given that I am a type 1 diabetic, the moment the insulin runs out... I have maybe 2-3 days to live. So I doubt I'd be making it very long.
Just follow the afore stated zombie plan. I, the cold hearted bastard, will get you your insulin.
caring about others. That takes you from 83% to 71%.
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They do seem to be ignoring any help that having more than one person in a group might bring. Especially loved ones, who might place your survival over theirs.
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They do seem to be ignoring any help that having more than one person in a group might bring. Especially loved ones, who might place your survival over theirs.
Yeah, it didn't once ask me if I had a Green Beret for a friend.
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caring about others. That takes you from 83% to 71%.
True. I found myself wishing there was a "Run from your loved one and freak out for a little while, before returning to blow their head off with a shotgun."; so I just went with "Run away and hope they are a slow zombie."
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Seriously. They need this question:
Are you friends with the following?
A. GI's
B. MacGyver
C. A girl that often goes on at length about hand of blue and how long it takes to drain the human body of blood
D. A man that works in a tech store who lives at home with his best friend and this other guy and who recently broke up with his girlfriend
E. James Bond
In order to accurately gauge your ability to survive.
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I haven't taken the quiz, but in almost every zombie scenario the humans are undone by a "friend," not a zombie. There is always some jerk who eats all the food, leaves the door open, doesn't admit when he's been bitten, etc. So I think the betray factor may outweigh the teamwork factor.
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bollx
37%
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ehh, 45%... so if im lucky, i could survive, but probably not. maybe i should move into the middle of nowhere. or a private island.
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Well, just saw ResEvil 3. If we have a TVirus scenario, none of us may survive.
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Well, it's not necessarily "zombie," but since I was pretty young my father and I, mostly from his cold-war childhood, have played a game of if civilization's infrastructure were to collapse, could I survive? Seriously, though, I feel like it has made me a more balanced person to look at every skill I gain from that perspective.
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Well, just saw ResEvil 3. If we have a TVirus scenario, none of us may survive.
i saw it earlier today... soooo good. and by good i mean entertaining. wasnt the best movie ever but it was fun. pretty damn scary at parts too.
i dont understand how the t virus could do all that tho.
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I'm just pisssed that (SPOILER) had to die! Even though it was a huge explosion.
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SPEAKING OF ZOMBIES.....
Ummmm i was talking to my friend recently
and he was talking about a book he's readin, Rant by Chuck Palahniuk. He was telling me how there is an outbreak of rabies, which led into the symptoms of rabies.
rabies makes brain function erratic, makes people impulsive, aggressive, etc.
sometimes people limp and jerk around because of messed up brain function.
sometimes, they dont notice when they are shot.
people with rabies bite other people, transferring the disease
If we had an outbreak of a very agressive, fast spreading rabies... doesnt that sound a LOT like a zombie outbreak?
might this be how the zombie story first originated? a large outbreak of rabies?
anyone wanna make a dangerous rabies virus with me and release it into new york?
comeon itll be fun, grab a sword, a shotgun, a chainsaw, and we'll have a blast! :D
food for thought. thats all.
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anyone wanna make a dangerous rabies virus with me and release it into new york?
comeon itll be fun, grab a sword, a shotgun, a chainsaw, and we'll have a blast! :D
Is New York the right city for that? I like New York. What about D.C.? Lots of side benefits there.
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anyone wanna make a dangerous rabies virus with me and release it into new york?
comeon itll be fun, grab a sword, a shotgun, a chainsaw, and we'll have a blast! :D
Is New York the right city for that? I like New York. What about D.C.? Lots of side benefits there.
true true... but i kinda have a soft spot for DC in my heart, bein born in Maryland and all...
tho i WOULD like to hack down a zombified Bush... ooh that would make my day!
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Though NY and D.C. sound like a lot of fun, I think the best bet would be to infect an isolated but population dense city with out too many important residents that no one cares about... so basically pick a city in Michigan.
In other zombie news, this (http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/30/0431246) came from a fellow zombie afficianado:
"Zombie insects might sound like a B-movie plot device (quicktime video) but to the emerald cockroach wasp (Ampulex compressa ), they're a tried and tested way to provide food for their hungry larvae. The wasp relies on cockroaches for its grisly life cycle but unlike many venomous predators, which paralyze their victims before eating them, the wasp's sting leaves the cockroach able to walk, but unable to initiate its own movement. Researchers have discovered that the wasps sting the cockroaches once to subdue them, then administer another, more precise sting right into their victim's brain. The venom works to block a neurotransmitter called octopamine with a similar action to dopamine, which is involved in preparations to execute complex behaviors such as walking. Then the wasp grabs the cockroach's antenna and leads it back to the nest 'like a dog on a leash', says one researcher. The team found that they could restore spontaneous walking behavior in stung cockroaches by giving them a compound that reactivates octopamine receptors in the insects' central nervous system. Researchers were also able to create their own zombies by injecting unstung cockroaches with a compound that blocks the receptors producing a similar effect to that of the venom."
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oooh zombie slaves.
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oooh zombie slaves.
Now you won't have to sweep up anymore.
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oooh zombie slaves.
Now you won't have to sweep up anymore.
But who will clean up after the zombie slaves? More zombie slaves?
You'll have to have zombie slaves cleaning up after zombie slaves. You'd have a mobius strip of zombies sweeping up after each other!
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Being reminded by the weather one thing New York does have going for it is that during parts of the year the zombies would freeze/freeze to things if once left the buildings, which would make the whole beheading bit a lot more safe. Large cities in warmer climes would be much more screwed. Plus, one wonders if the zombies would be able to efficiently lurch up the stairs. And if they could maintain the necessary lethality to prevent a small group of defenders beheading them one by one as they lurched up until there was quite a nice dead twice around zombie barrier built up.
Tricky bit with the city would be keeping supplies flowing. Subways would have to be shut down as they're pretty likely zombie gathering places, but they flood easily (actually, their default state would be to flood) and that would help take care of that. Especially if the surface froze. Granted, they'd defrost eventually, but by then teams of beheaders could be rounded up. Or we could just seal off the entrances and wait for them to come out at the tunnel exits.
A zombie invasion would only really work well if it's during the summer, they're quite a bit more mobile than your regular lurcher, and the population is caught totally by surprise and that surprise lasts for longer period than imaginable.
Problem with DC being invaded is that the population is spread out, and, well, guns aren't exactly scarce. NRA HQ is only a few miles down the road, and there are how many military/police/FBI/CIA/NSA/Black Three Letter Agency installations within 50 miles?
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Well, just saw ResEvil 3. If we have a TVirus scenario, none of us may survive.
Just saw it myself.
It was my favorite zombie movie of all time... then she did the thing with the birds... then the thing in Vagas... then the guy at the end... *sigh* Well, I guess that's what you get for making a video of a video game.
In the end I really enjoyed it, and it will still be one of my top zombie movies.
Did anyone notice this little beauty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_Strippers) tucked under "Special Features"?
It comes out March 11. :)
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tho i WOULD like to hack down a zombified Bush... ooh that would make my day!
I just can't help thinking there would be more than a few who would take Homer Simpson's approach to zombies:
Zombie Flanders: Hey Simpson! I'm feeling a mite peckish. [sinisterly] Mind if I chew your EAR?
Homer wastes him.
Bart: Dad, you killed the Zombie Flanders!
Homer: He was a Zombie!?
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Did anyone notice this little beauty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_Strippers) tucked under "Special Features"?
It comes out March 11. :)
Hehe, it seems to be the season for Zombie Stripper Movies (http://www.zombieszombieszombies.com/).
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Did anyone notice this little beauty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_Strippers) tucked under "Special Features"?
It comes out March 11. :)
Hehe, it seems to be the season for Zombie Stripper Movies (http://www.zombieszombieszombies.com/).
Tits and decapitation. What more could you want??
Ladies send your complaints to me personally instead of derailing the whole thread.
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Did anyone notice this little beauty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_Strippers) tucked under "Special Features"?
It comes out March 11. :)
Hehe, it seems to be the season for Zombie Stripper Movies (http://www.zombieszombieszombies.com/).
MOFG!!!!!!1!
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Did anyone notice this little beauty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_Strippers) tucked under "Special Features"?
It comes out March 11. :)
Hehe, it seems to be the season for Zombie Stripper Movies (http://www.zombieszombieszombies.com/).
Tits and decapitation. What more could you want??
An invite to the party?
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Did anyone notice this little beauty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_Strippers) tucked under "Special Features"?
It comes out March 11. :)
Hehe, it seems to be the season for Zombie Stripper Movies (http://www.zombieszombieszombies.com/).
Tits and decapitation. What more could you want??
An invite to the party?
OK, it's at my place on saturday. Leave Thaur at home. ;D
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Tits and decapitation. What more could you want??
An invite to the party?
OK, it's at my place on saturday. Leave Thaur at home. ;D
See, maybe I'm just being boring, but if I would get an invitation for a party that has decapitation as an activity, I think I might stay at home.
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Tits and decapitation. What more could you want??
An invite to the party?
OK, it's at my place on saturday. Leave Thaur at home. ;D
See, maybe I'm just being boring, but if I would get an invitation for a party that has decapitation as an activity, I think I might stay at home.
And with that bit of wisdom we have our first 300 post thread.
::Throws confetti into the air::
bdoomed, clean that up, will you?
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I had some digging to do at work today. The digging was pretty easy, with only a few stones larger than my head and not too much clay. While prying on one of the stones my boss said something about "Don't break the shovel, it's the best one we have." Which got me thinking: What shovel would be best on zombies?
I figured a wood handled, spade would be the best bet. You could sharpen the blade a bit and use it for slashing, smashing, or stabbing... then I found this beauty. (http://www.gemplers.com/product/2942/Sawtooth-Shovel-Fiberglass-Straight-Handle) It's practically designed for killing zombies. It's a shame about the fiberglass handle though, they get slick when wet.
So, how about best plug-in power tool?
Best piece of industrial equipment?
Household appliance?
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Wow. Pimp shovel.
Best plug in tool? Electric pruning saw. Think a small chain saw on an 8 foot haft. Good reach, great cutting power.
Industrial equipment? I'd have to think about that. Most are imobile, so no good against zombies, either the fast, or slow sort. I used to work on a 40 ton steel shear that would make easy work of any zombies, but how do I get the buggers to get in there? Not like I can just move it up against a door. Even then, the one thing I've learned about zombie movies is that zombies always find a way to get in to any structure.
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So, how about best plug-in power tool?
Best piece of industrial equipment?
Household appliance?
Power tool (not plug in): a chainsaw on a stick. It would have to be fairly light but the blade would have to be long enough to sever a head.
Household appliance: an hand held mixer with long barbs on the end.
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Not to re-rail this thread or anything, but does anyone out there have a real plan for if the SHTF? I was thinking about this the other night. How many people are really prepared for a week long regional power outage? How many people are prepared for a major natural disaster (like hurricane Katrina)? What about something as simple as skidding into a ditch out of view of passing cars?
There are the issues of heat (if it's winter), food and water, communications, transportation, finding out if family is okay, etc. I wouldn't call myself a survivalist because I'm delightfully plump and don't do well outdoors, but I am concerned about this stuff. If recent history is any example bad ju-ju can happen even in "first world" countries, and most people are so confident EMS or the police will show up when they dial 911 that they are incapable of taking care of themselves in an emergency. So am I the only one concerned about planning for a worst case scenario? Does anyone else have any plans?
To get back to the subject of the thread, my "zombie/car accident survival" items. I classify three categories: car, bail out bag, on my person.
Car:
-Jumper cables
-Tool kit (crescent wrench, vice grips, socket set, multi-tool)
-Road maps
-sunglasses
-duct tape
-fix-a-flat
-Cell phone charger
Bail out bag (carried in car):
-First aid kit with nitrile gloves, 4X4 gauze pads, Quikclot, gauze dressings, SAM splint, and a "boo-boo kit" with band aids, ibuprophen, and the like. I keep this around because it's most likely I'm going to run across a car accident at some point in my life and I want to be able to provde basic first aid before EMTs arrive. Yes, I am first aid/AED certified with the American Red Cross.
-Glow sticks
-26.5mm signal flare pistol with flares
-2 1 liter nalgene bottles filled
-2 clif bars
-1 Swiss army volcano stove, cup, and bottle
-Trioxane tablets
-Water filter
-Fleece jacket
-Warm socks
-warm, broken-in boots
-Warm jacket
-handheld GPS and topographical maps
-mess kit
-FRS Radio
Things I carry on my person wherever I go:
-3" ka-bar folding knife
-Cell phone
-LED flashlight
I think the above gives me a pretty good chance against most natural, human, or undead threats.
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-Cell phone
...I think the above gives me a pretty good chance against most natural, human, or undead threats.
You appear to be ready for ALMOST everything... except The Pulse! Did you miss this thread (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=779.0)? ;)
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-Cell phone
...I think the above gives me a pretty good chance against most natural, human, or undead threats.
You appear to be ready for ALMOST everything... except The Pulse! Did you miss this thread (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=779.0)? ;)
Hmm...not real clear on the plot there, but it looks like cell phones turn people into zombies in this book? The way I see it survival is about stacking the odds in your favor. Is there a possibility I will be zombified by my cell phone? Yes. However, it's much more likely I will need to use my cell phone to call 911 after a car accident, or to ask my wife if I should pick up some milk on the way home.
Interesting side note: a co-worker of mine keeps his cell phone in a copper box when not in use to prevent "them" from tracking where he is. At first I thought it was a joke until on a business trip he smacked a phone out of a co-worker's hand because he was using it in the car and "they" would be able to figure out where they were going. What a looney.
I plan on keeping my cell phone on me at all times despite the risk. I would like to have a backup of some sort though in case the cell towers go down for some reason (besides the FRS I keep with me...its range sucks). I'm thinking juiced up CB radio, but I need to do a lot of research before I settle on that.
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Interesting side note: a co-worker of mine keeps his cell phone in a copper box when not in use to prevent "them" from tracking where he is. At first I thought it was a joke until on a business trip he smacked a phone out of a co-worker's hand because he was using it in the car and "they" would be able to figure out where they were going. What a looney.
Yeah. Only an idiot would use copper, that just amplifies the signals. Now, lead, or better yet, uranium, is a much better option. So I use a uranium box in a lead box (what, thought I was going to irradiate myself?). Though I do have to say, my phone's been kinda weird to look at in the dark recently... kinda like it's glowing.
Maybe they've taken it over—
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Copper, schmopper... my mother-in-law is always going on about something new that "They" can do to you through your phone (I wish she'd stop watching 60 Minutes), and I finally asked her one day, "Haven't you figured out yet that the only reason 'They' want to track you is so they can stay out of your Zone of Bitchery?"
(That was not the most political thing to say, but it did make for a pleasantly quiet meal. :))
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"Zone of Bitchery"
That is fantastic!
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OK, so I read Mcarthy's "The Road" a while back. Aside from inspiring me to assemble a good disaster preparedness kit, it also gave me reason to consider what I would do if I found myself in such a situation.
Basicly, the world (what's left of it) is comprised of people who hide and scavenge, and people who eat people who hide and scavenge. Which would you be? Note: no plants will grow due to the on-going nuclear winter. There are only a few hours of daylight each day, and at high noon, it looks like the cloudiest, darkest day you ever saw. And that's in summer. Farming is not an option.
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OK, so I read Mcarthy's "The Road" a while back. Aside from inspiring me to assemble a good disaster preparedness kit, it also gave me reason to consider what I would do if I found myself in such a situation.
Basicly, the world (what's left of it) is comprised of people who hide and scavenge, and people who eat people who hide and scavenge. Which would you be? Note: no plants will grow due to the on-going nuclear winter. There are only a few hours of daylight each day, and at high noon, it looks like the cloudiest, darkest day you ever saw. And that's in summer. Farming is not an option.
1. Way to go on the preparedness kit. You are now ahead of 90% of the population I pulled that number out of my ass. I would wager most people assume electricity, water, and heat will be there no matter what. If anything interrupts them the government will come to rescue you, right?
2. I would eat the people who hide and scavenge.
3. Why not grow mushrooms?
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The mushroom thing occured to me too. It didn't come up in the novel. The weather might have been a problem: Always cold.
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There's a serious bit of irony to the fact that the zombie thread just will not die.
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OK, so I read Mcarthy's "The Road" a while back. Aside from inspiring me to assemble a good disaster preparedness kit, it also gave me reason to consider what I would do if I found myself in such a situation.
Basicly, the world (what's left of it) is comprised of people who hide and scavenge, and people who eat people who hide and scavenge. Which would you be? Note: no plants will grow due to the on-going nuclear winter. There are only a few hours of daylight each day, and at high noon, it looks like the cloudiest, darkest day you ever saw. And that's in summer. Farming is not an option.
1. Way to go on the preparedness kit. You are now ahead of 90% of the population I pulled that number out of my ass. I would wager most people assume electricity, water, and heat will be there no matter what. If anything interrupts them the government will come to rescue you, right?
2. I would eat the people who hide and scavenge.
3. Why not grow mushrooms?
If there's a global nuclear winter and no plants can grow, wouldn't oxygen supply start being a problem before too long?
In any case, I'm pretty confident of the chances of success of my own personal plan in case of a global apocalypse, which, as I said in this thread a long time ago, is to not survive. I think I can achieve that with very minimal preperation.
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There's a serious bit of irony to the fact that the zombie thread just will not die.
One of these days it'll probably decay into a vampire/enchanted skeleton/golem/pikachu invasion thread.
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OK, so I read Mcarthy's "The Road" a while back. Aside from inspiring me to assemble a good disaster preparedness kit, it also gave me reason to consider what I would do if I found myself in such a situation.
Basicly, the world (what's left of it) is comprised of people who hide and scavenge, and people who eat people who hide and scavenge. Which would you be? Note: no plants will grow due to the on-going nuclear winter. There are only a few hours of daylight each day, and at high noon, it looks like the cloudiest, darkest day you ever saw. And that's in summer. Farming is not an option.
How about ocean fish and plants, are they all dead as well?
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There's a serious bit of irony to the fact that the zombie thread just will not die.
my butifull baby
how you have grown!
soon the post count will reach critical mass and then....................
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OK, so I read Mcarthy's "The Road" a while back. Aside from inspiring me to assemble a good disaster preparedness kit, it also gave me reason to consider what I would do if I found myself in such a situation.
Basicly, the world (what's left of it) is comprised of people who hide and scavenge, and people who eat people who hide and scavenge. Which would you be? Note: no plants will grow due to the on-going nuclear winter. There are only a few hours of daylight each day, and at high noon, it looks like the cloudiest, darkest day you ever saw. And that's in summer. Farming is not an option.
How about ocean fish and plants, are they all dead as well?
the ocean ecolagy reliys on sunlite as much as the land, i do however think that somthing wuld servive, and that some one some whare wuld learn how to exsplote it.
mass exstinctons are nothing new to planet earth, thay are a regular acurence every squilion years or so and thay are always folowed buy an evolutonery exsploshon.
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OK, so I read Mcarthy's "The Road" a while back. Aside from inspiring me to assemble a good disaster preparedness kit, it also gave me reason to consider what I would do if I found myself in such a situation.
Basicly, the world (what's left of it) is comprised of people who hide and scavenge, and people who eat people who hide and scavenge. Which would you be? Note: no plants will grow due to the on-going nuclear winter. There are only a few hours of daylight each day, and at high noon, it looks like the cloudiest, darkest day you ever saw. And that's in summer. Farming is not an option.
How about ocean fish and plants, are they all dead as well?
Yup, all dead. Oceans, rivers, lakes, and ponds are all lifeless. Atmospheric oxygen isn't much of a problem. The things that use it die off pretty quickly in the absence of food and light. Dissolved oxygen in water is much more sensitive to things like climate change and nuclear holocaust, so the fish actually die off pretty quickly. From the timeline in the novel, you figure it's been about 6-8 years since the lights went out. The survivors have managed to use up all the remaining fossil fuels, ammo, medications, etc. Virtually everything combustible has already been burned for light and warmth. Civilization is utterly defunct.
I decided I would basicly turn into Gollum, along with my wife. I'd hide and scavenge, but if I came across a single survivor, or maybe a small, weak group...well, you know...
Mind you, this is a pretty bleak prediction, and not necessarily my own opinion. Spider Robinson, for one, lambasted the book for it's utter lack of hope for humanity.
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There's a serious bit of irony to the fact that the zombie thread just will not die.
Ya know, I saw it sort of lingering at the bottom of the page. I'd been thinking about posting this question to the forum for a while.
Lazarus, come forth: Zombie thread is re-re-reanimated.
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There's a serious bit of irony to the fact that the zombie thread just will not die.
Ya know, I saw it sort of lingering at the bottom of the page. I'd been thinking about posting this question to the forum for a while.
Lazarus, come forth: Zombie thread is re-re-reanimated.
So Jesus was into santeria?
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I have to say that the best zombie survival technique I read was one presented in The Zombie Survival Guide.
1. Bring food, water, guns, family upstairs (not in that order).
2. Grab axe
3. Destroy stairs
Everyone knows zombies can't climb, so you'll be safe until you starve to death. Perfect!
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its a good short term plan but you nead a way to suport youre sellf in the long run and stares are farly tuff to demolish so to work you nead a bit of prep time.
can you take out the stares be for the undead take out the windows and doors ?
i live in a terice house , so ethan when the stares are gone its not to hard to get in to the other houses on the streat thrue the loft spaces, giving me an escape route and scavenging posabilatys
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its a good short term plan but you nead a way to suport youre sellf in the long run and stares are farly tuff to demolish so to work you nead a bit of prep time.
can you take out the stares be for the undead take out the windows and doors ?
i live in a terice house , so ethan when the stares are gone its not to hard to get in to the other houses on the streat thrue the loft spaces, giving me an escape route and scavenging posabilatys
Ah, but therein lies your demise. Zombies always always ALWAYS find the secret back door way in.
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There's a serious bit of irony to the fact that the zombie thread just will not die.
Ya know, I saw it sort of lingering at the bottom of the page. I'd been thinking about posting this question to the forum for a while.
Lazarus, come forth: Zombie thread is re-re-reanimated.
Depends on who you ask ;)
So Jesus was into santeria?
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its a good short term plan but you nead a way to suport youre sellf in the long run and stares are farly tuff to demolish so to work you nead a bit of prep time.
can you take out the stares be for the undead take out the windows and doors ?
i live in a terice house , so ethan when the stares are gone its not to hard to get in to the other houses on the streat thrue the loft spaces, giving me an escape route and scavenging posabilatys
I think the best way would be to go with retractable stairs (like to an attic). It gives the option of escape, but as long as you keep it shut zombies will not be able to get in. Having an escape route that would not require climbing would be a big mistake. Zombies always find their way in.
I suppose the merit of this plan depends on if we're talking supernatural zombies that will not eventually die/rot on their own and will continue to try to eat you until they are mere skeletons or more conventional 28 days later zombies that will eventually dehydrate and starve. The latter would be much easier to wait out. I, personally, think they are also the more likely form of zombie attack.
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what if its a "plan 9" tipe situashon whare the zombes are just the van gard of an alian invashon?
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what if its a "plan 9" tipe situashon whare the zombes are just the van gard of an alian invashon?
If the aliens can't climb I should be okay. If they can I would probably be screwed (after I ran out of ammo).
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I have to say that the best zombie survival technique I read was one presented in The Zombie Survival Guide.
1. Bring food, water, guns, family upstairs (not in that order).
2. Grab axe
3. Destroy stairs
Everyone knows zombies can't climb, so you'll be safe until you starve to death. Perfect!
That's faulty logic. Zombies can't climb, but they can rip the foundation out from under you.
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I have to say that the best zombie survival technique I read was one presented in The Zombie Survival Guide.
1. Bring food, water, guns, family upstairs (not in that order).
2. Grab axe
3. Destroy stairs
Everyone knows zombies can't climb, so you'll be safe until you starve to death. Perfect!
That's faulty logic. Zombies can't climb, but they can rip the foundation out from under you.
They aren't smart enough for that. They would be so consumed by their ravenous hunger they would just mull around underneath my attic stairs groping for me and waiting for me to slip up. Not going to happen, shambling hordes! Go eat my jerk neighbor! Tell him to cut his grass while you're at it!
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I have to say that the best zombie survival technique I read was one presented in The Zombie Survival Guide.
1. Bring food, water, guns, family upstairs (not in that order).
2. Grab axe
3. Destroy stairs
Everyone knows zombies can't climb, so you'll be safe until you starve to death. Perfect!
That's faulty logic. Zombies can't climb, but they can rip the foundation out from under you.
They aren't smart enough for that. They would be so consumed by their ravenous hunger they would just mull around underneath my attic stairs groping for me and waiting for me to slip up. Not going to happen, shambling hordes! Go eat my jerk neighbor! Tell him to cut his grass while you're at it!
Okay, I need to go to bed... now I am picturing you (an animated assault rival with eyes on the stock and a long-barrelled nose) shaking your fist cantankerously at a horde of zombies (who all wore ugly turtlenecks and resembled James Lipton for some reason) as they shuffle around drinking hot, spiced wine (mulled, of course) ... and you're upset about the grass? ...
Maybe I'm just wrung out from a long week of non-stop thinkin', but I couldn't stop laughing.
(I had to field a long series of management questions, lawyer questions, newbie questions, and immediate supervisor questions ALL about the same thing... and then blog about it and advertise the answers I found back to ALL those people again to make sure they understood... all in time to include it in the promotion package.)
But first... one or two burning thoughts...
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Okay, I need to go to bed... now I am picturing you (an animated assault rival with eyes on the stock and a long-barrelled nose) shaking your fist cantankerously at a horde of zombies (who all wore ugly turtlenecks and resembled James Lipton for some reason) as they shuffle around drinking hot, spiced wine (mulled, of course) ... and you're upset about the grass? ...
Maybe I'm just wrung out from a long week of non-stop thinkin', but I couldn't stop laughing.
(I had to field a long series of management questions, lawyer questions, newbie questions, and immediate supervisor questions ALL about the same thing... and then blog about it and advertise the answers I found back to ALL those people again to make sure they understood... all in time to include it in the promotion package.)
But first... one or two burning thoughts...
With the stories you're coming up with between feeding my corpse into a wood chipper and me telling the zombies eating my neighbor I feel like I should be getting some sort of royalties.
Quick story on my jackass neighbor so you'll understand why I want the undead to feast on his brains: The day I moved into my first house I saw my neighbor driving his tractor onto my yard, loading it full of topsoil, and carting it onto his property. All in all he carted off about 3 yards before I went to talk to him (hadn't even met this guy yet). The topsoil was worth about $60. Not a fortune, but to have just made the biggest purchase of their life to see someone stealing it in front of me got me pretty worked up. I told him to put it back. He told me he didn't think I had moved in yet. I told him I did and to put the dirt back. He said it was on his property now so shove off. I told him he was an ass and we left it at that. I thought about calling the cops, but as the newbie to the neighborhood it wasn't worth $60 to be labeled the guy who calls the cops, so I let it go. If zombie hordes ever invade I'm leaving a trail of meat to his front door. If I die before that I might have my wife do the wood chipper gag on his house. I can hear her saying "He's on your property now, prick! Clean that up!"
Oh, and he doesn't cut his grass...
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see so ethan the zombe apocolips can have a sillver lineing!
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see so ethan the zombe apocolips can have a sillver lineing!
There's your title: Ethan, the Zombie Apocalypse
(oddpod, have I ever mentioned how much this half-assed linguist appreciates your missives? Well, I does!)
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see so ethan the zombe apocolips can have a sillver lineing!
There's your title: Ethan, the Zombie Apocalypse
(oddpod, have I ever mentioned how much this half-assed linguist appreciates your missives? Well, I does!)
lol, thats a good thing yes?
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the world record atempt for bigest zombi gathering was ace fun!
we dident quiat make the record(900 short) but we all dresed up and had a fab time, my kids made a film "intervew whith a zombe" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYNwT6Hawss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYNwT6Hawss)
ethan bumped in to psudopods intreped host al and descust the finer points of zombi survivel
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that me buy the way :)
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Someone took this thread way too Srsly (http://icanhascheezburger.com): http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_8827758
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Someone took this thread way too Srsly (http://icanhascheezburger.com): http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_8827758
I hate it when city councils get all insouciant... if that's not an ad hominem, of course.
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ace :)
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So you're driving down the highway in an 8 passenger van just after the outbreak happens. It's just you, the roads are passable, and you have enough gas: Who, if anyone, do you take with you when you head to your place of fortification?
For me:
Shwankie - knows all kinds of food stuff (nutrition, preservation, foraging,), good with a gun, is in great physical health, and I'd rather her be on my side than the zombies (see "skull faced boy").
Dan - Trustworthy, good with guns, capable hunter, in great physical health.
Shea - Built like a tank, good thinker and leader, and has a lot of back-woods knowledge.
Badgermonkey - Trustworthy, indestructible, runs on pixie-stix, and we've been preparing for the zombie onslaught for years.
Mrs. Badgermonkey - I'm more afraid of her on a good day then Badgermonkey when his sugar crashes.
Rianna - Trustworthy, accomplished martial artist, good physical shape, fears no zombie, and she's crush my larynx if I didn't.
Mr. Rianna (aka. Malichi) - good fighter, leader, good physical shape, martial artist, and Rianna would crush my larynx if I didn't.
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So you're driving down the highway in an 8 passenger van just after the outbreak happens. It's just you, the roads are passable, and you have enough gas: Who, if anyone, do you take with you when you head to your place of fortification?
For me:
Shwankie - knows all kinds of food stuff (nutrition, preservation, foraging,), good with a gun, is in great physical health, and I'd rather her be on my side than the zombies (see "skull faced boy").
Dan - Trustworthy, good with guns, capable hunter, in great physical health.
Shea - Built like a tank, good thinker and leader, and has a lot of back-woods knowledge.
Badgermonkey - Trustworthy, indestructible, runs on pixie-stix, and we've been preparing for the zombie onslaught for years.
Mrs. Badgermonkey - I'm more afraid of her on a good day then Badgermonkey when his sugar crashes.
Rianna - Trustworthy, accomplished martial artist, good physical shape, fears no zombie, and she's crush my larynx if I didn't.
Mr. Rianna (aka. Malichi) - good fighter, leader, good physical shape, martial artist, and Rianna would crush my larynx if I didn't.
Tough call... I can drive the shyte out of a van (as long as there's no trailer involved) so I'd have to be there. My Lovely Bride (tm) would have to be there because she's the most competent all-round person I know. All 4 kids, and the dog (does she count as a passenger?) would have to go. That leaves room for two, and no way in hell am I braving DC just to pick up my in-laws. (Sorry guys, but you have to expect that when your superpower is griping-about-any-given-situation.)
I guess I'd hold a raffle.
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duno who else but id be sure to bring Chuck Norris :P
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A neighbor of ours was a retired Green Beret Colonel. He's gotta be around 70 now, but if I could get him, I'd sacrifice everyone else except my wife and kids. I don't know how combat ready he is at the moment, but his ability to plan and train others would be priceless.
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A neighbor of ours was a retired Green Beret Colonel. He's gotta be around 70 now, but if I could get him, I'd sacrifice everyone else except my wife and kids. I don't know how combat ready he is at the moment, but his ability to plan and train others would be priceless.
8-passenger van: $26K
Plenty of gas: $26K
ex-Green Beret for planning and training everyone left to take out zombies: ... hmm... I seem to have forgotten how this goes...
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A neighbor of ours was a retired Green Beret Colonel. He's gotta be around 70 now, but if I could get him, I'd sacrifice everyone else except my wife and kids. I don't know how combat ready he is at the moment, but his ability to plan and train others would be priceless.
Yeah, my stepdad used to be a captain in the local PD, and led the SWAT team. He is a really nice guy, so it was always a little strange in high school to see him on the local news all SWATted out kicking in doors and stuff. Especially since my mom told him he wasn't allowed to leave the command vehicle. I even saw a video of him training with Richard Marcinko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Marcinko). They were raiding airplanes in Fla. He would be right up there with a green beret on my short list of people to get when the zombies attack.
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My mom: Has spent the last thirty-odd years editing medical textbooks. She is basically a doctor who can't write prescriptions. Also spent some time teaching self-defense. She's damn good in any crisis, and with a billy club.
My brother, JJ: Invented a car then runs on zombie chum. Also uncommonly good at smart-ass one-liners, and every zombie apocalypse needs those.
My boyfriend Sean: knows more about agriculture than anyone else I know, is good at identifying edible wild plants and generally all other outdoorsy things. He grew up in very rural farm community, so he learned all kinds of things I didn't in the suburbs. And I'd really miss him.
My ex-boyfriend, Jon: Jon loves two things; engines and guns. He is very good at operating and fixing both of them, or anything else mechanical. And I think he would get more joy out of the zombies than anyone else on this list, except maybe for my brother.
My uncle John: Again, engines and guns. Like the ex, but with a few more decade's experience. Also, he's probably the most street-wise person I know, and he tells great stories.
My cousin Justin: He's a Marine. Enough said.
My cousin Brian: A paramedic.
I feel kinda like a heartless bastard after making this list. I picked 95% of my list solely on knowledge and skills. I want a bus, and I want to bring everyone. But I guess I'll have to squash my peaceful loving hippie nature if I want to survive.
Incidentally, I've been reading World War Z, by Max Brooks. (Thank you Psuedopod) It touches on so many things that pop up in this thread, like what would it be like to spent the zombie years on a nuclear submarine (or on the space station), I feel like I should mention it here on the off (far off) chance anyone enjoying this thread hasn't heard of it yet.
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Incidentally, I've been reading World War Z, by Max Brooks. (Thank you Psuedopod) It touches on so many things that pop up in this thread, like what would it be like to spent the zombie years on a nuclear submarine (or on the space station), I feel like I should mention it here on the off (far off) chance anyone enjoying this thread hasn't heard of it yet.
I mentioned it ten pages ago in this thread as well: http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=20.msg9482;topicseen#msg9482
After topics lose the "all" link they get progressively harder and harder to read the entirety of.
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Bringing a boyfriend and an ex-boyfriend sounds like you may be asking for trouble in addition to the zombies!
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Bringing a boyfriend and an ex-boyfriend sounds like you may be asking for trouble in addition to the zombies!
That really stood out for me, too. I think you need to choose one. Unless… (no, no, I won't go there.)
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Bringing a boyfriend and an ex-boyfriend sounds like you may be asking for trouble in addition to the zombies!
Nah. They get along well enough. I've been out at a bar with the two of them together more than once. If they can drink together and not fight, I think we'll be cool. Jon's the only ex I still talk to, and when we broke up we promised we would come get the other one in case of zombies. I can't believe I just admitted that to the world.
That really stood out for me, too. I think you need to choose one. Unless… (no, no, I won't go there.)
Well, a girl can dream...
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Jon's the only ex I still talk to, and when we broke up we promised we would come get the other one in case of zombies.
Aren't you afraid that's going to lead to the "Alien Promise" scenario?
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Jon's the only ex I still talk to, and when we broke up we promised we would come get the other one in case of zombies. I can't believe I just admitted that to the world.
[snip] We don't need to repeat my statement [/snip]
Well, a girl can dream...
Gotta say, I get even more attracted to you then I was before after every post, but not in a stalker/scary way. ;D
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Bringing a boyfriend and an ex-boyfriend sounds like you may be asking for trouble in addition to the zombies!
Nah. They get along well enough. I've been out at a bar with the two of them together more than once. If they can drink together and not fight, I think we'll be cool. Jon's the only ex I still talk to, and when we broke up we promised we would come get the other one in case of zombies. I can't believe I just admitted that to the world.
That really stood out for me, too. I think you need to choose one. Unless… (no, no, I won't go there.)
Well, a girl can dream...
All I can say is that if there were a movie made about each of our experiences during the zombie apocalypse, I think yours would be the most interesting.
Mine would consist of me sitting at the top of the destroyed staircase in my house with my wife and dog, trying to figure out some way to get the zombies to eat my neighbor and not me. It would probably end with me starving to death.
That reminds me...I need to stash some doritos and Clif bars in my bedroom.
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Bringing a boyfriend and an ex-boyfriend sounds like you may be asking for trouble in addition to the zombies!
Nah. They get along well enough. I've been out at a bar with the two of them together more than once. If they can drink together and not fight, I think we'll be cool. Jon's the only ex I still talk to, and when we broke up we promised we would come get the other one in case of zombies. I can't believe I just admitted that to the world.
That really stood out for me, too. I think you need to choose one. Unless… (no, no, I won't go there.)
Well, a girl can dream...
All I can say is that if there were a movie made about each of our experiences during the zombie apocalypse, I think yours would be the most interesting.
Mine would consist of me sitting at the top of the destroyed staircase in my house with my wife and dog, trying to figure out some way to get the zombies to eat my neighbor and not me. It would probably end with me starving to death.
That reminds me...I need to stash some doritos and Clif bars in my bedroom.
I had a design for a bed made out of canned and freeze-dried food, but my wife wouldn't let me make it. ;)
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Just found this website while *stumbling*, the Zombie Preparedness Initiative (http://ww2.zombieinitiative.org/), and it reminded me of this thread. Very useful for those who, like me, are still working on their emergency plan. Sad, when things we see in our everyday lives remind us of things that were discussed in the forum and not the other way around, forum threads reminding us of our lives.
Ahem, actually, since we talk about Zombie invasions, well, ... am taking it back. Sorry, my bad.
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My turn to resurrect this thread. A zombie defense kit (http://www.wackyarchives.com/bizarre/the-zombie-defense-kit.html).
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nice:)
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Even more threadomancy!
I just finished reading all 18 pages, so I may miss some of the finer points.
1. The zombies are your biggest problem for the first week or so, then it's other humans.
2. If you aren't in the military, STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM THEM. The purpose of a club is to keep others out. In situations like this, the military becomes a club with all the guns.
3. Quarantine ANYONE who joins or rejoins the group.
4. Cremate all dead bodies.
5. If it is determined that bites cause people to zombify, strap a gas gan on the back of anyone who has been bitten, and send them on their way. Have your best marksman wait until zombies are near, put the poor sod out of his memory and start a zombie bonfire a safe distance from your defenses.
6. If you can safely dispatch a zombie, always do so! In Land of the Dead, there were easy pickings that were left to join the horde that assaulted the city.
7. Avoid hospitals and any other refugee sites.
8. Terrain is your friend, take the high ground.
9. Water, water, water. Collect as much as you can as often as you can.
10. Urine is sterile and can be used to flush a toilet. Smelly? Yes. But it is more sanitary than leaving feces around.
Ok, that's a starter.
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Oh, yeah. People have mentioned Max Brooks' WWZ, but I gotta point ya to the audiobook. This is one of the best audiobooks I've ever heard, and the perfect format for the book.
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I heard Max Brooks lecture at a local college. He went into more depth than his Zombie Survival Guide. My favorite point was on flame throwers. If flesh burned fast enough to make flame throwers viable weapons against zombies, we wouldn't be able to have barbecues.
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I'm with you on 1, 3, 7, 9, and 10.
2. If you aren't in the military, STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM THEM. The purpose of a club is to keep others out. In situations like this, the military becomes a club with all the guns.
I think that depends a lot on who they're working for. If they're still hanging on the chain of command, and the military didn't start the outbreak, then you might be better off with the guys who have a supply chain. If they've gone 'freelance', you're probably humped.
4. Cremate all dead bodies.
See Bluerequiem's post for why this isn't practical. Get a guillotine instead.
5. If it is determined that bites cause people to zombify, strap a gas gan on the back of anyone who has been bitten, and send them on their way. Have your best marksman wait until zombies are near, put the poor sod out of his memory and start a zombie bonfire a safe distance from your defenses.
Great, flaming zombies. Good idea.
6. If you can safely dispatch a zombie, always do so! In Land of the Dead, there were easy pickings that were left to join the horde that assaulted the city.
A good policy, but very hard to execute. Ammunition is expensive now, and would be impossible to get in the future.
8. Terrain is your friend, take the high ground.
I'd rather take a defensible subway tunnel then an isolated mansion with a great view.
Something else about #10. Instead of wasting the urine on flushing toilets in to a sewer that no longer functions, try composting it. Use a bucket and toss a few handfuls of potash (leftover from last night's fire) on top of the night soil. When the bucket's full, take it to the compost pit.
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I would do the individual quote thing, but it's almost my bed time.
2. It's hard to tell before you get there if they've gone freelance. If you're sure they're still in protection mode, then it's probably worth the risk. Be advised that you will probably be digging latrines and other unpleasant jobs.
4. Ok, properly dispose of then. Make absolutely certain that a corpse doesn't reanimate or that the body itself won't cause other issues, such as disease.
5. As I said, do it at a distance from your location. If the poor sod is gonna die, take him to the other side of the river. If you don't like the flames, other zombie traps are available.
6. In the example from Land of the Dead, they could have dispatched lots of those zombies without wasting ammo. If you see a solitary zombie, destroy it. The biggest menace from zombies is when there is a horde of them. You don't want to pass up the opportunity to prevent hordes.
8. I'll take the high ground. Zombies can't fall uphill. They can fall into your subway tunnel, or swarm around the entrances so thick that you can't cut your way through them.
10. Valid point. There are lots of other uses for urine, but if someone has no idea what to do with it, they can at least save their water for drinking.
Your feedback is greatly appreciated, as it is constructive in nature.
There is Rule 13 (it's always 13 in my rule list), Be willing to let others die. If they are a drain on your resources, you might have to use them as zombie bait or send them on their way. Everyone has to be useful in one way or another.
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I would do the individual quote thing, but it's almost my bed time.
2. It's hard to tell before you get there if they've gone freelance. If you're sure they're still in protection mode, then it's probably worth the risk. Be advised that you will probably be digging latrines and other unpleasant jobs.
Very true. It isn't likely they'll have a pirate flag with them when they snipe you from the tree top. But as for "digging latrines and other unpleasant jobs", what do you think you'll be doing during armageddon? Ordering room service?
5. As I said, do it at a distance from your location. If the poor sod is gonna die, take him to the other side of the river. If you don't like the flames, other zombie traps are available.
The other side of this, how willing do you think the poor sod is going to be to get turned out and executed? A better option might be to, if you have the resources, rig them with explosives and wait for them to change.
6. In the example from Land of the Dead, they could have dispatched lots of those zombies without wasting ammo. If you see a solitary zombie, destroy it. The biggest menace from zombies is when there is a horde of them. You don't want to pass up the opportunity to prevent hordes.
I'll be honest, my opinion of Land of the Dead is pretty low. Taking zombie survival tips from that movie would be like getting your news from Fox.
8. I'll take the high ground. Zombies can't fall uphill. They can fall into your subway tunnel, or swarm around the entrances so thick that you can't cut your way through them.
Zombies can surround a hill, but they'll have a lot of trouble surrounding the entire sewer system. One thing movies have taught us is that no hideout is perfectly secure, so I would elect one with a lot of exits.
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One thing movies have taught us is that no hideout is perfectly secure, so I would elect one with a lot of exits.
Conversely, it would have a lot of entrances.
I think I'd be more of the single entrance, draw bridge type.
Another thing about the hill top, is that you can spend spare time rigging up rockslides and other gravity-powered defenses.
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One thing movies have taught us is that no hideout is perfectly secure, so I would elect one with a lot of exits.
Conversely, it would have a lot of entrances.
What we need is somewhere with a lot of exits, but only one entrance... a movie theatre, maybe?
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One thing movies have taught us is that no hideout is perfectly secure, so I would elect one with a lot of exits.
Conversely, it would have a lot of entrances.
What we need is somewhere with a lot of exits, but only one entrance... a movie theatre, maybe?
That's showing a zombie movie.
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The biggest problem with selecting a location is that it really wouldn't be too hard to keep zombies out, until other humans want in. For a good example of this, see the orriginal Dawn of the Dead.
A castle with a dry moat would be ideal against zombies, so long as you had a way to dispose of theem faster than they can fill the moat.
Strapping explosives onto someone who is about to turn is the ideal solution. I didn't bring it up, because the likelyhood of having those explosives is too low. During strategy discussions, we decided that everyone should carry explosives that would detonate if a button wasn't pushed every 24 hours. You could push it more often, and it would start the 24 hour countdown over. But, really, who wants to chance the explosives going off at the wrong time?
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Takes quite a long time to fill a moat.
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I'm in Flagstaff. Where is everyone?
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I'm in Flagstaff. Where is everyone?
here (http://forum.escapeartists.net/index.php?topic=1475.0)
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And Ben, we need some PP as well. Plus, being editor I am sure he has heard some great zombie plans.
So, here is what we do:
1) Mur Lafferty will team up with Jason Adams and they will go to Fort Bragg
2) They will pick up a Pave Low and fly to Steve's house
3) They pick up Steve and family then procede to a nearby private airport and get on a GS4 jet piloted by Bdoomed.
4) They will fly first to Miami to pick up J.C. Hutchins and procece to an an airport near Ben.
4) They fly to Payson Municipal Airport in AZ.
5) I will meet them there with Mike Mennenga, Summer Brookes, Evo Terra, Brian Brown, and Mike Stackpole.
6) We will refuel the jet and procede to one of the SF suburbs and pick up Sigler.
7) We will land in Flagstaff, AZ where we will hide out till the end. If you want to be with the podcasting community you'll want to be there.
Forgot that I had just read all of this thread yesterday. I was making an obscure joke. Guess it was too obscure.
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you read the hole thread!
in one siting?
bloody hell quite an acheavement :)
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you read the hole thread!
in one siting?
bloody hell quite an acheavement :)
You down with OCD? Yeah, you know me!
I'm always up for a good survival thread.
Alas, the biggest problem when the zombies arrive is that it is next to impossible to defend against zombies and the living.
A little ingenuity, a look out and a small security force goes a long way after the initial wave. Chain link fence works great, as long as there isn't a horde. The trick to dealing with zombies is to keep their numbers manageable.
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The biggest problem with selecting a location is that it really wouldn't be too hard to keep zombies out, until other humans want in.
I've always wondered why agility isn't used more often as a defense?
Why not use tree forts with rope bridges or steps caved on the face of a cliff like Masada?
As well as making it impregnable to zombies, human attackers would have trouble carrying on offensive actions while negotiating the obstacles.
Another thing about the hill top, is that you can spend spare time rigging up rockslides and other gravity-powered defenses.
Gravity powered defenses are a definite advantage of the high ground.
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High ground has distinct disadvantages against human attackers. You make a great target up there. Ranged weapons become a real threat. Tree forts just get set on fire (see the crappy Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves).
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High ground has distinct disadvantages against human attackers.
Sun Tzu is rolling over in his grave.
Wait... I have to find out how well they preserved his body... If the zombies have Sun Tzu for a strategist, we're humped!
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High ground has distinct disadvantages against human attackers.
Sun Tzu is rolling over in his grave.
Wait... I have to find out how well they preserved his body... If the zombies have Sun Tzu for a strategist, we're humped!
Sun Tzu never had to deal with missile launchers. High ground loses it's value as soon as your opponent can get effective cover from your weaponry while still having you within his effective range. It is why castles went out of fashion.
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Sun Tzu never had to deal with missile launchers. High ground loses it's value as soon as your opponent can get effective cover from your weaponry while still having you within his effective range. It is why castles went out of fashion.
It really had more to do with them being expensive to build, and the collapse of the feudal system that let landowners get free labour out of their tenants. Once there were decent roads and the peasantry could move around more easily, they tended to to stick around when they were asked to spend years building a castle for free.
The design of castles did change when cannons became common - they went from having tall, thin walls that were hard to climb over to having short, thick walls that were hard to shoot through - but they didn't go away. And they even kept on being built in small numbers right up into the late 19th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmerston_Forts).
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I watched The Postman for the first time this week. It brought up some valid points. Might makes right and the return of a feudal system of government.
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I saw (skipped around, saw the end mostly) Dawn of the Dead, the 1960s movie.
I was surprised at the end how intense it got! i didn't think that could happen in a 60's movie :P
I happened to be talkin on AIM while watchin it and I was narrating everything to my friend as it happened.
"ooh he hit the white dude!
oh no they be fighting!
AAAh he shot him!
the mom is walkin down the stairs...
ooh i think the little girl is dead
OH NO SHES RISING! AAAH SHES STABBING HER MOM!
wow shes really stabbing there...
holy crap thats a lot of blood!
still doin it
ooh back to the black guy
ZOMBIES AT THE DOOR
they gettin in!
RUUUN!
ZOMBIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ooh hes runnin to the cellar!
OH NO THE WHITE GUY IS RISING! oo black dude killed him"
etc. :P
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Is that the first time you've seen it?!?
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yea, hadnt seen it before.
still havent really seen it cuz i didnt have time to watch a whole movie, so i skipped around.
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:o
The original Dawn of the Dead or Day of the Dead? How about Soylent Green? The Stuff? C.H.U.D.?
I see another split happening soon.
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I saw (skipped around, saw the end mostly) Dawn of the Dead, the 1960s movie.
I was surprised at the end how intense it got! i didn't think that could happen in a 60's movie :P
I happened to be talkin on AIM while watchin it and I was narrating everything to my friend as it happened.
"ooh he hit the white dude!
oh no they be fighting!
AAAh he shot him!
the mom is walkin down the stairs...
ooh i think the little girl is dead
OH NO SHES RISING! AAAH SHES STABBING HER MOM!
wow shes really stabbing there...
holy crap thats a lot of blood!
still doin it
ooh back to the black guy
ZOMBIES AT THE DOOR
they gettin in!
RUUUN!
ZOMBIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ooh hes runnin to the cellar!
OH NO THE WHITE GUY IS RISING! oo black dude killed him"
etc. :P
That's Night of the Living Dead, not Dawn of the Dead... Most of Dawn of the Dead takes place in a mall.
If you do watch Dawn of the Dead try and see the original one first not because it's a vastly superior movie (it isn't in terms of technical excellence or direction) but because the remake cut out all of the social satire. The remake of Dawn isn't bad as far as remakes go, the first 20 minutes is scary as hell, but then it bogs down in PG13-ness and gets really boring. The original Dawn doesn't have this problem, and when it starts slowing down, there's a motorcycle gang and a pie fight to liven things up.
Day of the Dead is okay, it's an even lower budget film than Dawn and looks it. The remake of Day is supposed to be awful but I haven't seen it.
The remake of Night of the Living Dead is dreadful.
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The remake of Night of the Living Dead is dreadful.
Which one? The one with Patricia Tallman was just a reshoot.
I didn't even notice he said Dawn instead of Night, I knew which movie he was talking about.
All of the Return of the Dead movies are campy.
Dawn and Day are way up there as far as social comentary goes. Right, Bub?
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The remake of Night of the Living Dead is dreadful.
Which one? The one with Patricia Tallman was just a reshoot.
I didn't even notice he said Dawn instead of Night, I knew which movie he was talking about.
All of the Return of the Dead movies are campy.
Dawn and Day are way up there as far as social comentary goes. Right, Bub?
The one with Patricia Tallman was awful, worse, there was absolutely no need for that film to even be made, like the Gus Van Sant reshoot of Psycho - Pointless, audience insulting films, both of them. Dawn and Dead have some social satire but I never felt they are hammering home a bunch of points at the expense of the story like other social commentary films.
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The one with Patricia Tallman was awful, worse, there was absolutely no need for that film to even be made, like the Gus Van Sant reshoot of Psycho - Pointless, audience insulting films, both of them. Dawn and Dead have some social satire but I never felt they are hammering home a bunch of points at the expense of the story like other social commentary films.
I don't think I saw all of any of the Night remakes. I really don't remember. I think the original Dawn is one of the best Zombie movies I've ever seen. The special effects were horrible, but I think it did a really good job of handling the interaction of the survivors. They made mistakes, yes, but those were character flaws, not movie flaws.
I'm not a huge fan of the super-fast, super-agile zombie movies like the remake of Dawn or 28 Days Later.
I haven't seen a remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers that I liked, either.
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The one with Patricia Tallman was awful, worse, there was absolutely no need for that film to even be made, like the Gus Van Sant reshoot of Psycho - Pointless, audience insulting films, both of them. Dawn and Dead have some social satire but I never felt they are hammering home a bunch of points at the expense of the story like other social commentary films.
I don't think I saw all of any of the Night remakes. I really don't remember. I think the original Dawn is one of the best Zombie movies I've ever seen. The special effects were horrible, but I think it did a really good job of handling the interaction of the survivors. They made mistakes, yes, but those were character flaws, not movie flaws.
I'm not a huge fan of the super-fast, super-agile zombie movies like the remake of Dawn or 28 Days Later.
I haven't seen a remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers that I liked, either.
Amen brother! I'm a shambling-zombie man, myself.
As for the original Dawn, I think it's the second best zombie film ever made, Night supersedes it but only slightly. Night is still scarier, an effect of the black and white I think, than Dawn, which pushes it into number 1 position.
I like almost all the versions of Invasion of the Body Snatchers but none as much as Don Siegel's original with Kevin McCarthy. Of them all the worst is Invasion, the one with Daniel Craig and Nicole Kidman, which has as much uneasy suspense as a Fraggle Rock marathon.
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The one with Patricia Tallman was awful, worse, there was absolutely no need for that film to even be made, like the Gus Van Sant reshoot of Psycho - Pointless, audience insulting films, both of them. Dawn and Dead have some social satire but I never felt they are hammering home a bunch of points at the expense of the story like other social commentary films.
I don't think I saw all of any of the Night remakes. I really don't remember. I think the original Dawn is one of the best Zombie movies I've ever seen. The special effects were horrible, but I think it did a really good job of handling the interaction of the survivors. They made mistakes, yes, but those were character flaws, not movie flaws.
I'm not a huge fan of the super-fast, super-agile zombie movies like the remake of Dawn or 28 Days Later.
I haven't seen a remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers that I liked, either.
oh man, I LOVE 28 days later. Shambling zombies dont scare me. Ones that could easily catch me do. That movie was frightening! hehe.
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While the fast zombie movies are technically in the same genre, I think they are not the same as shambling zombie movies.
Zombie movie traits:
1. Zombies, or something similar (28 Days)
2. Survivors:
a. Lucky, found someone to help them
b. Average person turned onto an extaordinary person due to events
c. Bad ass
d. Leader
3. Stronghold. Not necessarily a good one, but it encloses the survivors for interpersonal relationships.
With fast zombies, a lot of the tension between survivors is taken away.
To jrderego, I only remember the remake of Invasion when they tried to get away in a helicopter at the end. I guess I just hold the original in such high regard that the rest can't compare. The end of Invasion of the Body Snatchers is one of the all-time best!
As far as scary movies go, Phantasm did it for me. Of course, I was 5 when I saw it the first time...
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While the fast zombie movies are technically in the same genre, I think they are not the same as shambling zombie movies.
Zombie movie traits:
1. Zombies, or something similar (28 Days)
2. Survivors:
a. Lucky, found someone to help them
b. Average person turned onto an extaordinary person due to events
c. Bad ass
d. Leader
3. Stronghold. Not necessarily a good one, but it encloses the survivors for interpersonal relationships.
With fast zombies, a lot of the tension between survivors is taken away.
To jrderego, I only remember the remake of Invasion when they tried to get away in a helicopter at the end. I guess I just hold the original in such high regard that the rest can't compare. The end of Invasion of the Body Snatchers is one of the all-time best!
As far as scary movies go, Phantasm did it for me. Of course, I was 5 when I saw it the first time...
Phantasm was awesome, I saw that for the first time on UHF TV when I was 9 or 10 and it scared me senseless.
There are so many invasion remakes it's hard to catalog them all.
There's the Don Siegel original
The 1978 version directed by Phil Kaufman, which lost the whole communist paranoia angle
The 1992 version directed by Abel Ferrara set on an army base and featuring teenage leads
The 2007 version with Daniel Craig and Nicole Kidman which is closer to the 1978 version than any of the others
A couple of other films that explored similar territory with varying degrees of success are:
It Conquered the World! (Roger Corman cheapo featuring a giant space celery as the monster).
Zontar: the thing from Venus (An ever more cheapo remake of It Conquered the World, shot for TV by Larry Buchanan).
The Puppet Masters, based on Heinlein's book of the same name.
As for the fast vs. shambling argument...
The point of Zombies, at least to me, isn't that they are faster or stronger than non-zombies, it's that there are an exponentially increasing number of them, and while you might be faster than they are, you'll have to stop and they won't. If you end up sheltered in a place the eventual sheer numbers of them outside will make it impossible to stay secure, or alive (once supplies run out).
I am actually struggling with the novel based around the Pleasant Hollow stories at the moment so it's easy for me to get sidetracked with Zombie stuff - that said, in my book and the stories, the zombies shamble. The idea being that even though decomposition is slowed in the undead, it's still occurring and that their muscle tissue dissolves just like the rest of them does. So while they might be almost walking normally when first coming out of rigor mortis and starting to move, within a couple of days they are are dragging a leg, or crawling on just arms, all bloated and nasty, until they pop and finish rotting. The stories are fun because I've set them to be at ambient temperature, so the winter isn't all that bad for the survivors as the zombies are frozen solid out in the wastelands. But in the spring and summer it gets increasingly hard to avoid them, while the zombies themselves get a much shorted undead life span due to the heat.
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Mr. Derego, you are quickly becoming one of my favorite writers! I am already hooked on Union Dues, but if you're going to give me quality zombie stories...
Ok, fanboy mode over.
You expressed my feelings about zombie movies better than I ever could.
To continue the sidetrack, I liked the first 2 Saw movies. They had more than just gore. Now there are movies coming out that think the camera work is what made Saw great. Thirteen Ghosts is an example of how horror can be done well. Ok, I'm rambling.
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Mr. Derego, you are quickly becoming one of my favorite writers! I am already hooked on Union Dues, but if you're going to give me quality zombie stories...
Ok, fanboy mode over.
You expressed my feelings about zombie movies better than I ever could.
To continue the sidetrack, I liked the first 2 Saw movies. They had more than just gore. Now there are movies coming out that think the camera work is what made Saw great. Thirteen Ghosts is an example of how horror can be done well. Ok, I'm rambling.
I am so in the mood to procrastinate...
Let me link you to the Pleasant Hollow stories if you haven't read them -
Start with Lilies for Donald.
http://talesofworldwarz.com/stories/tag/jeffrey-derego/
I don't know if I agree with you about the Saw movies... I read a review over at Sci Fi Dig a couple of weeks back, for Saw 5, that broke down all the other films in the series. I liked the first one as a curiosity, but 2-4 and -5 were hilariously awful. 3 was kind of okay.
My review, in text form, is here-
http://www.horrorview.com/Reviews/S/Saw_5.htm
As for 13 ghosts, I like the William Castle version with the ghost viewer glasses. My mom took me to a special halloween showing of that when I was a kid.
I didn't manage to sit through the remake, much like the remake of House on Haunted Hill, and When a Stranger Calls, everything I liked about the original was gone from the remake. This review pretty much sums up my feeling on all remakes -
http://www.horrorview.com/When%20a%20Stranger%20Calls%202006.htm
There are a few very minor exceptions of remakes that exceed the quality or approach of their predecessors, but they are very, very few.
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oh ha, i got the names mixed up. anyway ive seen the new Dawn of the Dead too, saw the full one shortly after seeing Night of the Living Dead.
havnt seen the original.
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I quit watching Saw after the 3rd one. I liked the second one, as I felt revealing his assistant wrapped up some of my questions from the first. In any event, I watched the first one twice, the second and third once and haven't seen 4,5,6 or whatever they're up to.
Hostel was Saw with softcore porn and even worse.
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oh ha, i got the names mixed up. anyway ive seen the new Dawn of the Dead too, saw the full one shortly after seeing Night of the Living Dead.
havnt seen the original.
dont watch diary of the dead! you will never get thows preshus howers back!!
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dont watch diary of the dead! you will never get thows preshus howers back!!
Whew! I was thinking about renting that this weekend.
Watched Hancock the other night, it was a good movie. It was predictable, but still a lot of fun.
I'm going to try to find a copy of The Stuff and C.H.U.D. to watch with my wife.
Are any of the horror movies that came out this year worth watching? I watched 28 Weeks and wanted to go kick the studio's collective asses for taking that time out of my life.
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I wonder how much truth there is to zombie origins?
http://io9.com/5252549/headless-fire-ant-zombies-are-your-friends
This is just another example of another natural 'zombie'.
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Hey, welcome back, you zombie-looking freak.
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How funny is that, my myspace page is zombies_are_your_friends. Of course there's nothing of interest there, as I only use it to follow other people, but still.
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random thoughts inspired by the past handful of posts. Pardon me if we discussed these TWO YEARS AGO on the same thread.
I think of the shambling zombie movies are more akin to natural disaster movies than horror. But since you have rotting corpses walking around, eating people you really can't get around them being horror.
I admit I've never seen the "Return of" movies because I thought they were silly and campy and I was always offended that they sneaked into the cannon by putting "living dead" in their titles. Furthermore, I'm annoyed that these impostors are responsible for and firmly established that zombies eat human brains. Every time I head about zombies eating brains I cringe a little. How would a zombie even get to a brain?
Re: Dawn of the Dead (the original). I saw it a long time ago, so I've forgotten a lot, but wasn't the social satire pretty transparent? It's zombies walking around in a shopping mall. Oh I get it, because we are all like capitalist zombies and stuff. Is there more to it? I'd like to give it another watch, but my wife, god bless her, will watch absolutely anything except a zombie movie.
Back to reality:
Can zombies use tools?
Can zombies climb?
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Im not sure zombies qualify as natural disaster, because there's nothing natural about them. :)
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Back to reality:
Can zombies use tools?
Can zombies climb?
Reality???
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Maybe post apocolyptic would be a better term than natural disaster. The story behind the "Return" series is more intersting than the movies.
I joke about the brains, but yes, zombies eat flesh. I think the intestine scenes are some of the best examples of that.
Wakela, have you seen Day of the Dead?
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Back to reality:
Can zombies use tools?
Can zombies climb?
Reality???
A rejection I received once on a zombie story I'd written was that the editor didn't find it believable because my basic premise would work only on vampires, not on zombies.
I had to laugh.
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Im not sure zombies qualify as natural disaster, because there's nothing natural about them. :)
You're right. I know it's a bit of a stretch. But there isn't much natural about The Day After Tomorrow, either, and you could make a zombie version of that story pretty easily.
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Maybe post apocolyptic would be a better term than natural disaster. The story behind the "Return" series is more intersting than the movies.
I joke about the brains, but yes, zombies eat flesh. I think the intestine scenes are some of the best examples of that.
Wakela, have you seen Day of the Dead?
I saw it when it came out in theaters, so it was a long time ago, but I liked it. I was surprised at jrderigo's comment that the FX weren't very good in it. At the time I found it completely believable. IIRC, it was the first one about life going on in a zombified world. The mine where they lived was set up to be permanent.
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Back to reality:
Can zombies use tools?
Can zombies climb?
Reality???
Russell, are you a zombie denier?!
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Back to reality:
Can zombies use tools?
Can zombies climb?
Reality???
Russell, are you a zombie denier?!
It's just like God. I can't prove they don't exist, but nobody has proved that they do.
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Back to reality:
Can zombies use tools?
Can zombies climb?
Reality???
Russell, are you a zombie denier?!
It's just like God. I can't prove they don't exist, but nobody has proved that they do.
are you crazy?! By the time the proof is here it will be too late. The time for talking is over. Now is the time for action!
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Back to reality:
Can zombies use tools?
Can zombies climb?
Reality???
Russell, are you a zombie denier?!
It's just like God. I can't prove they don't exist, but nobody has proved that they do.
are you crazy?! By the time the proof is here it will be too late. The time for talking is over. Now is the time for action!
to bloody rite!!!
so do we go for the celler or stay on the ground flour?
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wait, flour only works against vampires. and only if you don't grind it.
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wait, flour only works against vampires. and only if you don't grind it.
you're an asshole :D
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i was just being a jackass there.
to go for full asshole i'd also include: "where's the bloody rite???"
so... now i'm being an asshole.
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Never, never, never go to the cellar. High ground is better vs zombies. The problem with elevated locations comes when roving packs of Zorags on cannibalized Prius War Wagons come around and spot you easier.
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Never, never, never go to the cellar. High ground is better vs zombies. The problem with elevated locations comes when roving packs of Zorags on cannibalized Prius War Wagons come around and spot you easier.
Did you install the smug cannon?
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Never, never, never go to the cellar. High ground is better vs zombies.
this has become conventional wisdom with modern architecture but in rural areas a strong cellar could be your best bet for temporary shelter. as an example, think back to the original night of the living dead where an irony is that the shrill, antagonistic character was completely right from the start: expel bite victims, seal yourself in the cellar and wait for rescue.
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How long do you think it will take for rescue to come? What if the zombies manage to start a fire? Worse yet, what if the "rescuers" decide to just burn the zombie infested building down? Thank you very much, but I'll take a high ground approach.
Besides, in a rural area you should dispatch zombies before a horde forms.
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your tactics need to adapt to the situation, it's all about risk mitigation. older (and some new (http://www.jkholton.com/DormersRoof1.jpg)) farm houses have multiple windows overlooking the roof.
a well stocked cellar will probably contain more food than you can carry, you can lie low for several days at no cost at all. if it's early in the outbreak then this will give you time to quietly observe and find out what type of zombie you're dealing with. it may even be all the time needed to for authorities to contain the outbreak. even if nothing positive presents itself the cost was nothing but a couple low risk days.
if the population density in your region is high enough to create a horde then you're pretty much guaranteed that if you don't attract attention then something else will. unless your roof is rock solid safe, taking a rifle to the roof is likely to create a situation you can't control.
zombies starting fires? gotta admit that it didn't occur to me as a real concern. chances are that you can turn off the gas & electricity from the cellar. you'd probably hear human activity around the house before things got to the point that they were burning you too. depends on the cellar of course, some even have doorways right outside.
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I did not mean that the zombies were smart enough to start fires, but I think you realized that.
The solution is to live in a dome (http://static.monolithic.com/disaster_resistance/index.html). I'm going to have one of these.
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Ah. Here we go. - http://www.academieduello.com/zombies/zombies.html
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rented the remakes of Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead last weekend.
First one was lame and pointless. While the female lead in the original was a bit of a weakling, and I could see how that would not play with modern audiences, they went so far the other way in making her a badass in the remake that she became a clumsy political statement.
***Mild spoiler***
Also, her comment that we are no better than the they because she saw a group of rednecks lynching zombies was absurd.
Dawn wasn't weak but still entertaining, though it's been a long time since I saw the original. This one seemed to be more along the lines of what we have been talking about on this thread. If you are trapped in a mall when the end comes, what do you do? Before I saw it, I poo-pooed the purists who demand a slow, shambling zed, but I was wrong. I don't know exactly why, but sprinting zombies just doesn't do it. It makes them less other-worldly and less scary somehow.
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A mall would be a good place to be trapped. Pull down the gate in front of the sporting goods store for protection and then suit up. Light football or hockey padding and helmets, Hockey sticks and baseball bats.
In some states they even have guns in there.
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Walmart. :D
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i think you wuld run out of food farly quikly, once the power goas down everything is going to go moldy real quick, the big problem is being traped any whare be it fortrece or maul, sooner or later you run out of food or water.
the ideal haven is ether mobile to alow for a wider range of scavenging posabilatys(converted train, truck convoy, air ship) or self surfitont (an iland or fortefide farm)
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NPR story about the resurgence of zombies in pop culture. (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105510752)
edited for link tag correct-ness!!!
RN: How embarrassing
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Who will win the Zombie war? (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112075098)
University of Ottawa math professor Robert Smith? and his team recently completed research on the potential battle between zombies and humans. They have found that humans could win out against the slower-moving creatures of the zombie classics.
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what's your zombie grade? (http://www.deadfrontier.com/DFOB.html)
i don't agree with all of it but the classic choose your own adventure is fun.
how is taking 30s to auto-dial your house really wasting time? and who is this guy that can't drive a motorcycle across a field without killing himself?
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what's your zombie grade? (http://www.deadfrontier.com/DFOB.html)
Tactics A
Compassion C
F them F'ers It's the Zombocalypse.
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New weapon for the coming Zombocalypse: AA-12 assault Shotgun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchisson_Assault_Shotgun) - if you don't mind lugging tons of 12-gauge rounds.
Can go fully automatic, 300 rounds per minute, up to 32-round drum. Also has fin-stabilized grenade rounds.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c&fmt=18
(I still favour an old-school cutlass.)
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But there's something to be said for fragmentation grenades as well as a pair of hatchets for when those that didn't get blown up, get close.
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With the way zombies moved I was just thinking of putting up a perimeter of 1/2 steel cable at about three feet off the ground. That should be all the protection I need.
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Hey, welcome back, you zombie-looking freak.
Oh, hey.
Sorry, I thought you were talking to yourself again.
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what's your zombie grade? (http://www.deadfrontier.com/DFOB.html)
All-in-all this was a pretty good quiz, but there are a couple things that stick out like sore thumbs:
1) Why is staying with your coworkers, because they won't leave you hanging, the best decision when the only way to survive later is to leave them hanging at the first sign of danger?
2) You're securing the house, getting ready to flee the city. So why are you hiding a body in the basement? Just throw it out on the lawn.
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Threadomancy #9:
The NYT wins again: (http://www.nytimes.com/projects/magazine/ideas/2009/#natural_science-12) Epidemiologists today worry a lot about swine flu. But earlier this year, Philip Munz got interested in a more devastating possibility: an outbreak of zombies. A graduate student at Carleton University in Ottawa, he was watching a lot of movies about the undead and realized that zombification could be regarded as a classic paradigm of infectious spread: people get bitten by zombies, after which they turn into zombies themselves and start biting others. So Munz decided to use the tools of epidemiology to answer a sobering public-health question: could humanity survive a zombie outbreak?
Working with a professor and two other graduate students, Munz built a mathematical model of a city of one million residents, in which an outbreak occurs when a single zombie arrives in town. He based the speed of zombie infection on the general rules you see in George Romero movies: after getting bitten, people turn into zombies in 24 hours and sometimes don't realize what's happening to them until they change.
When he ran the model on a computer, the results were bleak. "After 7 to 10 days, everyone was dead or undead," he says. He tried several counterattacks. Quarantining the zombies didn't work; it only bought a few extra days of survival for humanity. Even creating a "cure" for zombification led to a grim result. It was possible to save 10 to 15 percent of the population, but everyone else was a zombie. (The cure in his model wasn't permanent; the cured could be rebitten and rezombified.)
There was only one winning solution: fighting back quickly and fiercely. If, after the first zombies emerge, humanity begins a policy of "eradication," then the zombies can be beaten. This is, as Munz points out, what traditionally saves humanity in zombie flicks. "People finally realize what's happened," he says, "and they call the army in." Or as he concludes in his paper on the work, to be published in the collection "Infectious Disease Modelling Research Progress": "The most effective way to contain the rise of the undead is to hit hard and hit often." CLIVE THOMPSON
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And it's the best Zombie news day in a while (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118012601.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&nid=2595&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+variety%2Fpeople%2Fplayers+%28Variety+-+Players%29):
Given Natalie Portman’s elegant demeanor, a turn in a period Jane Austen adaptation was inevitable.
Portman will star in and produce “Pride and Prejudice and Zombies,” a film that is based on the bestselling book written by Seth Grahame-Smith and Austen. Lionsgate will finance and distribute. Quirk Books published the tome.
Though Austen’s name is on the book, Grahame-Smith took the liberty of adding bloodthirsty flesh-eating zombies to the mix.
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'lil threadomancy here...
I'm playing Humans vs. Zombies at the University of Florida.
It's fun. For those who have no idea what it is, it is a glorified game of tag. Humans get Nerf guns and 'sock bombs' (balled up socks that you can throw at Zombies) and Zombies have to tag you, whereupon you turn into a Zombie yourself, 15 minutes after the 'bite'.
So I'm walking around the University with a pistol in my pocket and a big ol' pump action rifle in my hands, with an armband that I designed (supposed to be a bandanna but I don't have one, so I drew the Japanese flag on a piece of white shirt).
When I get 'bitten' I move the armband onto my forehead, it'll look like I'm a Japanese Kamikaze :)
Maybe pics at some point.
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noe THAT sounds like fun!
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The people on The Colony could really use this info.