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Title: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: Heradel on July 16, 2009, 02:16:34 AM
PodCastle Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters (http://podcastle.org/2009/07/15/podcastle-giant-4-captain-fantasy-and-the-secret-masters/)

by Tim Pratt (http://www.timpratt.org/).
Read by Matthew Wayne Selznick (http://www.hazydaysandcloudynights.com/).

The door slid open, revealing another corridor. Floor, walls, and ceiling were all the color of used motor oil, and cameras bristled every couple of feet. “Welcome to the Black Wing, Li.”

I didn’t step inside. “I heard you’ve got Bludgeon Man locked up in here. And Junior Atwater’s brain, in a jar.”

“Yeah, I’ve heard those, too,” Brady said. “People believe any damn thing, don’t they? Now come on. If this door stays open too long, alarms go crazy, and we’ll be neck-deep in very tense guards.”

I stepped over the threshold. The black wing was like the inside of a tumor. No wonder mental institutions favor soothing colors to pacify the patients. These walls had the opposite effect; they could drive a sane person mad. The Black Wing surely held a few mental patients, the ones with extraordinary powers. The ones who could enforce their delusions on the world, if they got free.

Rated R. contains violence committed in spandex.
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: ajames on July 17, 2009, 10:52:54 AM
Two thumbs up for the reading (if I were a metamorph, I'd throw a third thumb in for good measure).

I'm not a huge fan of this genre, but I was entirely entertained by the story. Some smart writing and an interesting plot that kept me guessing about a few things without getting needlessly complicated.

Thanks Mr. Pratt and Escapepod!
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: Ocicat on July 17, 2009, 11:51:49 PM
I'm amused that superheroes are a genre that fits well into both Podcastle and Escape Pod.  And this was a nice take on superheroes, a mix between the hyper realistic view that the Union Dues stories take, and indulging in Silver Age comics silliness.  I loved throwing around names like "Dr. Morlock", but the real Big Bad is just... Kelly.  Great contrast.  And using Josef Mengele in a superhero universe is just brilliant. 

The story itself was engaging and well told.  Good character bits, great action scenes.  Pratt doesn't disappoint.
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: Anarquistador on July 19, 2009, 03:06:24 AM
Personally I wanted to hear more about the Hitlerbot and Junior Atwater's brain.
 
:)
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: H. Bergeron on July 20, 2009, 04:50:47 AM
Alright, so I just listened to this - finished about ten minutes ago - and WOW, that was really cool!  I enjoyed the story, it was engaging all along.

I only have one problem with it, but it's a philosophical disagreement with the Captain, not with the author.  I mean, seriously... Suicide is a coward's way out, but inflicting that syndrome whose name I can't spell on yourself isn't?  That is, to my mind, basically just as much a form of suicide.  Refusing to confront the problem and retreating from it utterly.  In fact, it's almost worse than suicide, in this case, since he is himself an extremely powerful weapon and I would bet that the nature of his real problem probably won't be forgotten any time soon by Kelly or anyone with whom she's shared it.  It's only so long until this IMMORTAL SUPERHUMAN who is the most powerful creature on Earth is tapped as a force for evil through the manipulation of his self-inflicted syndrome!


...Alright, so I'm tired and rambling, but that was my only real peeve with the story.  Other than that, I really liked it a lot!

PS: I don't dislike the Captain's decision in context.  I think it fits with the character as he's established.  I just disagree with the character's opinion and choice, lol.
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: Listener on July 21, 2009, 01:14:22 PM
Good reading.

Is this two Tim Pratt stories in a row that contain either explicit or implied buttsecks? Just an observation. I kind of saw that CF/SB slashfic coming from the moment the hug happened.

This is an interesting story to which the term "rollicking" could be used. I think the introduction dragged a fair bit (not the part where Lee is collected, but the part at the Facility). I don't know that the payoff (Lee's stumps closed themselves off) was hinted at QUITE enough in the beginning. Perhaps he should've cut off more than just the very tip of a finger?

The jarring moment where CF suddenly forgets everything was very well done.

Overall good.

On an administrative note, this story was indeed very long, but it seems as though the average PC story is 45-55 minutes anyway. Short fantasy tends to be longer, IME, than SF or horror, but I think I for one would like more shorter episodes -- 30-35 minutes. Maybe short-long-short-long-etc, with short on either side of giant. Just a thought.
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: Talia on July 21, 2009, 01:47:26 PM
Lots of fun. I most definitely saw a Batman parallel there - heh heh.

Still shuddering at the thought of willingly dropping onself into a pit of blades and feeling yourself being hacked to pieces.

blehhh
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: Anarquistador on July 21, 2009, 11:22:22 PM
Batman's not gay, dammit!

...not that there's anything wrong with that. But he's not!
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: Heradel on July 22, 2009, 01:00:19 PM
Batman's not gay, dammit!

...not that there's anything wrong with that. But he's not!

Am I really the only one that was thinking Captain America the whole time? Didn't he have some sort of young, vaguely feminine-looking, sidekick back during early issues? And now that I walked away from the computer for a minute to get coffee, came back and chided myself for being lazy: Bucky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Captainamerica1.jpg).

I liked it, more like this please.
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: DKT on July 22, 2009, 08:11:20 PM
Batman's not gay, dammit!

...not that there's anything wrong with that. But he's not!

Am I really the only one that was thinking Captain America the whole time? Didn't he have some sort of young, vaguely feminine-looking, sidekick back during early issues? And now that I walked away from the computer for a minute to get coffee, came back and chided myself for being lazy: Bucky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Captainamerica1.jpg).

I liked it, more like this please.

Nope. I definitely thought of Cap and Bucky while reading this. Also, Cap fought Nazis, too and Bucky died in a similiar way. (Although I hear he's recently been resurrected, and that Cap is now dead, although he might have been resurrected by now, too.)
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: Anarquistador on July 23, 2009, 12:14:03 AM
Actually, it turns out Bucky never really died. He was just brainwashed and borgified by the Soviets.

Thus, breaking one of the unwritten laws of the Marvel universe: the only people who cannot ever be resurrected are Bucky and Uncle Ben. And I'm pretty sure they broke THAT one too...
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: Portrait in Flesh on July 23, 2009, 01:47:05 PM
All this talk of Bucky...what, no love for Speedy?

(http://www.postmodernbarney.com/images/Glgr85.jpg)

Fun story...felt good, like the best spandex costume should.
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: eytanz on July 26, 2009, 05:02:54 PM
This was a great story. It worked both on the superhero-action-adventure fun romp level, and the realistic, troubled-individuals-behind-the-mask level.
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: veganvampire on August 01, 2009, 08:16:56 PM
Definately worth my time.  It really gave me a lot to think about.

Quote
Still shuddering at the thought of willingly dropping onself into a pit of blades and feeling yourself being hacked to pieces.

blehhh

If it makes you feel better, earlier in the story it mentions that he can shut off his nerve endings to avoid feeling pain.  So maybe it didn't even hurt.
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: danooli on August 05, 2009, 02:34:12 AM
this is my first time commenting on a story here (most likely won't be my last) but i really enjoyed this!  I was a great witty story and a wonderful reading!  (I barely noticed the length LOL)

i've never read super hero stuff but very recently i picked up a novel called Captain Freedom: A Superhero's Quest for Truth, Justice, and the Celebrity He So Richly Deserves and this story reminded me of that, which was a nice surprise. 
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: izzardfan on August 20, 2009, 07:37:29 AM
I loved the story, and the reading, except for part of the beginning.  I felt like Matt was putting too many spaces (quiet, dead air) inbetween lines, at first, and I had to replay the initial phone call conversation three times before I really got it.  But later, his voices—especially when he did Space Boy with the high pitch—were spot on.

I don't follow comics (I know, just shoot me now), but I did watch the Adam West version of Batman years ago, and I love the camp that this had.  More, please!
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: kibitzer on August 20, 2009, 08:53:20 AM
This one kinda left me cold. That's mainly because I read a lot of graphic novels (ahem) and there was nothing really new to me in this story. In this genre, it's very hard to compete with some of the truly great writers such as Kurt Busiek, Brian K Vaughn, Alan Moore, Andy Diggle and Brian Michael Bendis, to name but a few.

Competent but not great.
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: Boggled Coriander on August 26, 2009, 03:15:47 PM
I'm going to start off by saying that I am not and have never been a comic book/graphic novel fan.  It's not that I actively dislike them; it's more that the medium has always left me cold and I've never felt inspired to seek out comics that I'd like (I'm sure they exist). 

That said, I seem to like prose fiction that's explicitly based on comics.  Maybe that's because it tends to be meta (and I like meta) and riffing on tropes that I never had the chance to grow weary of.  I like the Union Dues stories, and I liked this. 

And the story had another thing I like: totally whacked-out alternate history.
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: stePH on August 26, 2009, 11:28:01 PM
I'm going to start off by saying that I am not and have never been a comic book/graphic novel fan.  It's not that I actively dislike them; it's more that the medium has always left me cold and I've never felt inspired to seek out comics that I'd like (I'm sure they exist). 

That said, I seem to like prose fiction that's explicitly based on comics.  Maybe that's because it tends to be meta (and I like meta) and riffing on tropes that I never had the chance to grow weary of.  I like the Union Dues stories, and I liked this. 

Shall I recommend Lafferty's Playing for Keeps and Selznick's Brave Men Run or have you already been there and done that?
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: DKT on August 28, 2009, 11:21:28 PM
In this genre, it's very hard to compete with some of the truly great writers such as Kurt Busiek, Brian K Vaughn, Alan Moore, Andy Diggle and Brian Michael Bendis, to name but a few.

Ah, another BKV and BMB fan. Excellent. The others are good, too :)

An interesting thought I had about this story. Someone mentioned Kelly upthread. I really dig that "Kelly" is the real bad guy here. Not some supervillian sidekick. But the brains behind the operation. I can't think of a lot of genius female supervillians right off the top of my head. We've got Dr. Doom and Lex Luthor and then we have Harley Quinn.
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: stePH on August 29, 2009, 02:35:45 AM
An interesting thought I had about this story. Someone mentioned Kelly upthread. I really dig that "Kelly" is the real bad guy here. Not some supervillian sidekick. But the brains behind the operation. I can't think of a lot of genius female supervillians right off the top of my head.
Cobra Queen?

(http://images.elfwood.com/fanq/s/p/spacheco3/cobra_queen_by_mistressali.jpg)
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: Swamp on September 23, 2009, 02:26:58 AM
I was definately thinking of Captain America / Bucky.  I loved the action sequences and the campy speaking.  I liked all of the ideas behind the story.  I have noticed, however, that much of the comic book satire is becoming just as cliche as the comics themselves.
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: JoeFitz on September 28, 2009, 03:00:30 AM
It was an enjoyable enough story but I just found it terribly derivative and predictable - and I don't even read graphic novels. It's also overly sentamentalist/Romantic which I found tiresome. Space Boy I found was very awkward.
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: Unblinking on December 28, 2009, 09:03:33 PM
Loved it!  I do tend to go on about how stories are too long, but it's not really the length itself that I'm complaining about, but that the length was not needed to tell the story.  This one used all of its length to good measure.  Awesome!  I hadn't realized I was such a Tim Pratt fan, but the Pratt stories that have run here on PC are friggin great!

It's probably no surprise to anyone that I'm a comic fan, X-Men being my usual flavor of choice, and this used a lot of the fun with some new twists and turns.  For a while there I was really wondering whether Captain Fantasy had world-altering powers, so Kelly did a darned good job of setting the scene--during the time when I thought that, it did bother me that Captain Fantasy had not just resurrected Space Boy, but of course that made sense in the long run.

I like that Captain Fantasy was gay without his homosexuality being the sole point of the story.  Very well done (and no animal sex, which is a plus!).  I like the "Kelly" supervillain.  I like the ending.

The loss of short-term memory has been done pretty often in movies (Memento, Clean Slate, 50 First Dates, to name a few) so I was a little leery of it at first but this offered some new facets in both the origin and the end result, so I was quite happy with it.

The Space Boy exclamations were funny for a bit, but got a bit old.  I've never cared for Robin, so I'm sure that had something to do with it. 

Anyway, good show!
Title: Re: PC Giant 4: Captain Fantasy and the Secret Masters
Post by: Unblinking on October 06, 2014, 08:56:19 PM
I named this as #13 in my fave Podcastle of all time:
http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2014/10/podcast-spotlight-podcastle/