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Title: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Talia on March 08, 2011, 01:57:58 PM
PodCastle 147: Card Sharp (http://podcastle.org/2011/03/08/podcastle-147-card-sharp/)

by Rajan Khanna (http://www.rajankhanna.com).

Narrated by Wilson Fowlie of the Maple Leaf Singers (http://www.maple-leaf-singers.com).


Originally appeared in the anthology Way of the Wizard edited by John Joseph Adams (http://www.johnjosephadams.com).

He reached into his pocket and withdrew the Seven of Diamonds. The card flared like phosphorous in his hand, then disappeared in a wisp of smoke. He felt an ephemeral film coat his body. He moved from his hiding place behind some trees and moved down the walkway and to the ramp leading up to the riverboat.

He could feel the stares of the riverboat guards on him, even though he knew they could not see him. Using the Seven of Diamonds might have been overkill, but better safe than sorry. Still, his neck hair prickled at the idea that at the moment, their rifles could be trained on him, preparing to fire.

He made for a small washroom near the center of the main deck. As he approached it, the riverboat’s great paddlewheel began to move, churning the water in a great roar. With a lurch, the riverboat began to move, taking Roland Ketterly and his men down the Mississippi.

Quentin slipped through the washroom door, taking care to close it quietly and minimize his noise. Whatever concealment the first card had provided was visual alone.


Rated PG.
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: ElectricPaladin on March 08, 2011, 05:39:36 PM
I am the king under the mountain, and I have made the first post on this thread!

I loved this one. It sometimes seems that straight up fantasy - stories that don't try to be literary or deep, but are content to be fun, dramatic, character-exploring romps through cool settings - are rare in today's climate. Or maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places. In any case, I enjoyed this one a great deal. The setting, echo of Deadlands that it was, was still full of fascinating possibilities. The character was archetypical, but it was a pretty compelling archetype so that didn't bother me.

And Wilson Fowlie's narration... who could of thought that someone so North could make a voice so very, very South?

The only thing that actually annoyed me, just a little, was the main character's refusal to carry a gun. The excuse - he wasn't comfortable with it - just didn't jive with me. It seemed like a rather transparent excuse for the character to use tons of cards in the penultimate confrontation. Ultimately, I had no idea why he'd scruple to wield a gun. He clearly had no problem killing people.

A little more background would have solved this problem, which is part of why it bugged me so much. Other potential flaws in the story like the deeper implications of the card magic, the exact mechanics of who can make a deck for who under what circumstances, and the answers to other questions (is it that you can only make a deck for another and not yourself? is each card a once-per-lifetime deal, or is each deck a once-per-lifetime deal, but if you found a partner the two of you could take turns making decks for each other? Or is it a once per deck per maker deal?) would have taken so many more words that I can forgive the author for not including them.

In conclusion, a great story that I enjoyed a great deal, with a plot hole that only bothered me because I'm a jerk.

By the way, the reference to the king under the mountain thing cracked me up. Do you think I should explain what the heck I'm about here, or just let it be?
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: DKT on March 08, 2011, 05:50:16 PM
And Wilson Fowlie's narration... who could of thought that someone so North could make a voice so very, very South?

When Wilson's reading came in, I played part of it for my wife, then asked her where she thought the reader was from. She guessed South Carolina :)

By the way, the reference to the king under the mountain thing cracked me up. Do you think I should explain what the heck I'm about here, or just let it be?

 ;D

I was imagining it was a reference along the lines of this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_under_the_Mountain)? I could be wrong, though. But it just rolls off the tongue so well, I wanted to appropriate it for the feedback segment  :)

ETA: Er, that's not to say "Don't tell us." Feel free to share :)
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: acpracht on March 08, 2011, 10:41:43 PM
I really enjoyed this one!

The idea was so compelling, I didn't notice the plot holes until pointed out in the first post on this thread. They are valid, but got washed away in the fun and nerdy joy of it.

Honestly I'd like to see an expanded book based on this idea. Could the magic maybe be infused into other likely game objects? Say... chess pieces or maybe even a cookbook - I don't know. I agree that it would be fun to explore the mechanics of this deeper.

I have often wanted to live in times that didn't frown upon a weapon such as a sword being carried at all times. This story may have just given me a solution to feel like a badass all the time - carrying a deck of cards.
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Unblinking on March 09, 2011, 02:51:24 PM
I quite liked this one.  It was made awesome by the magic system, and used the gambler archetype very well.  (By the way, DKT, I think that the "ch" in "archetype" is a hard "k" sound, like in "chaos").  And a revenge plot to sweeten the pot.

ElectricPaladin might have a point about the protagonist's gun qualms.  I think an explanation could be made without a big stretch of the imagination, though I don't think the text supports it.  He seems not to anticipate that Roland is a card sharp too, but he has to know he'll face off against another at some point in his life.  Facing off against a card sharp, a gun's not of much use (It took, what a 7 of clubs to stop a hail of bullets, presumably it would take less to stop single shots from a handgun).

And regarding the rules of the system, it seemed that cards weren't necessarily the only focus for magic, but they're the only ones used in the story.  They're a handy tool for it, due to their high count and combination of symbols and numbers, as was pointed out in story.  I'm guessing that the 52-card poker deck was used simply because it'd be the most familiar to readers?  Otherwise, why limit yourself to 52?  Tarot decks have like 78 cards.  Or why not make up your own--You'r enemy has an Ace of Spades?  Well why not draw the 57 of clubs for defense?  I suppose it's probably because the current deck is imbued with meaning because everyone agrees in its validity.  Maybe rather than a gambler, a card sharp should be a maker of games, and go peddle them at GenCon, once they gain enough widespread use the cards should gain power.  ;)

Anyway, good story.  Also, I know that "card sharp" is correct usage, but I'd always thought "card shark" made more sense.  Like a loan shark, ruthless in its hunger.





Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: acpracht on March 09, 2011, 04:59:02 PM
Playing devil's advocate on the gun thing - it also took one unexpected gunshot to injure Quinn and nearly undo him completely, so... :)

I think you have the right idea on why one can't make their own cards - the magic simply rejects that sort of unlimited power and it doesn't fit within the framework of human minds.

If I were to expand this world, it would be interesting to expand the magic to other games and have them take on the character of the focus objects.
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Scattercat on March 09, 2011, 07:30:32 PM
I agree with EP's assessment of the story, overall, though I didn't enjoy it quite as much.  Light and fairly fluffy, content to move mostly on the surface and plainly.  It was fun but kind of forgettable, in the end.

I found the lecture on the magic system to be kind of irritating.  It was pretty clear just from the opening paragraph what the rules of the magic were, and thus a lot of Hoyle's discussions and the load of information on all the meanings of the cards and the rules for using them felt kind of unnecessary in terms of the story.  (I know "Way of the Wizard" was supposed to have stories that were explicitly about how magic worked, and this is probably why it went into such detail, but I still found it mostly a distraction and would have enjoyed the story more were most of that excised.)

The reference to Hoyle and the Old West setting (or at least Old Southern Midwest) reminded me inextricably of Deadlands, whose card-based magic system I have to say I massively prefer.  In Deadlands, Magicians literally play poker with evil spirits, and if they win, they can use the power.  The more power, the harder the game is to win, and if you lose too much to the spirits, then they drag you to Hell.  Now *that* is a gambling-based magic system!  I found the idea of "You get 52 cards, period, ever," to be an uninspiring limitation; it encourages caution and stasis rather than creativity, where it's in the card sharp's best interest to never use the cards unless they had to and to use them in the most straightforward and reliable way they could when they did.  It doesn't really make me go, "Ooh, that would be neat to have!"  Heck, I get a little antsy just thinking hypothetically about having such a clear limit to magic power.  (Whenever I'm playing any games, I get nervous if I don't have my backup stockpiled.  I used to squirrel away one of my $500 bills in Monopoly and never, ever use it unless I had to.)
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Balu on March 10, 2011, 12:27:48 PM
Another great little story really enhanced by outstanding narration. It was engaging, well paced and fun. I don't really agree with the criticisms above either.

First of all, only ever getting one deck of cards was a really well thought out limitation.

From a world building point of view it was essential, at least if you wanted the magic to be rare enough to leave the world close to our own. If these cards were everywhere then it would have been wildly different. That isn't a bad thing in itself, but in this case it means that we would have lost a really cool historical setting.

More importantly, only ever getting one pack works because it forces characters to make choices. If the cards are unreliable and irreplaceable then it strikes me that you would be better off using the whole pack as a tool to accomplish something truly meaningful (like the protagonist) rather than frittering them away (like his mentor).

The second point is the lack of a gun. Guns are noisy, innaccurate and tools which were mastered by the protagonist's enemies. They are also obvious. The thing with the cards is that nobody knows what's going to hit them until it does.

Personally I would have used lesser cards to make a heap of money, hired a bunch of mercenaries and sent them in en masse like in Scar Face. But then I don't have the protagonist's passion.

 
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: tinygaia on March 10, 2011, 03:00:29 PM
I found the idea of "You get 52 cards, period, ever," to be an uninspiring limitation; it encourages caution and stasis rather than creativity, where it's in the card sharp's best interest to never use the cards unless they had to and to use them in the most straightforward and reliable way they could when they did.  It doesn't really make me go, "Ooh, that would be neat to have!"  Heck, I get a little antsy just thinking hypothetically about having such a clear limit to magic power.  (Whenever I'm playing any games, I get nervous if I don't have my backup stockpiled.  I used to squirrel away one of my $500 bills in Monopoly and never, ever use it unless I had to.)

I have this problem as well! When I receive gift cards, I agonize over which single thing to buy out of all the many things I want. If I had these magical cards... Well, I'd have a whole pristine pack of magical cards.

That's one reason I like this story: it made the protagonist seem more decisive and heroic to me than he probably actually was. Here's a guy who totally doesn't have my weakness and flaunts that fact impressively. Rock on!

I also liked how this story got me thinking about how the cards work and what one could do with them.
Personally I would have used lesser cards to make a heap of money…

I was thinking along those lines too! For example, knowing that the diamonds are related to wealth, and knowing that it won’t work if you try to do something too big for the card, I wondered what would happen if I used a two or three of diamonds, bought a scratch-and-win lottery ticket, and thought “Card, just net me the biggest win within your power.”

Lastly, I want to heap more praise on Wilson for his reading. The accent was great, Wilson!
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Swamp on March 10, 2011, 03:17:24 PM
I really enjoyed this story, and Wilson's reading.  Good stuff.  I'd would be nice to have the MCD fleshed out a bit, but I think the story did what it was intended to do, that is introduce an intriguing magic system, and be highly entertaining.

<music>You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to throw 'em, know when to walk away, know when to send hot, broiling fire hurling toward your opponent</music>  I think Kenny Rogers could make it work. 
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Ocicat on March 10, 2011, 05:34:22 PM
I liked the magic system - though if I were going to use it in a gaming world I'd use the tarot rather than modern playing cards.  Those major arcana would be useful!

The fights were well written too, making for a fun story.  Not a lot more to it, but there doesn't need to be.

I also think the training session flashbacks were un-needed or at least over-labored.  The basic idea was obvious right off and could have been covered in more detail in the main narrative. 
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Unblinking on March 10, 2011, 05:50:07 PM
<music>You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to throw 'em, know when to walk away, know when to send hot, broiling fire hurling toward your opponent</music>  I think Kenny Rogers could make it work. 

Ha!  I love it!

I agree with scattercat's point that the magic system was over-explained.  But I think the one-deck limitation was reasonable.  Yes, it encourages you into stasis rather than action, but then when someone acts with them it really means something.
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Listener on March 10, 2011, 08:50:31 PM
I enjoyed the story quite a bit. You can tell I did because I didn't lead off with the narration commentary, which I usually do when I don't like a story.

If anything I had some issues with Roland and Quentin's final showdown, after Roland's cardsharp was killed. Quentin getting shot didn't have a ton of impact to me, and while I'm a fan of not actually explaining what happened, I kind of want to know... well... what happened to Roland. Maybe I'm biased in that regard, because I've had editors tell me to go ahead and show what happened, rather than leave it up to the reader's imagination.

A story like this opens up the mind to what else might be magical in the world. If playing cards can be a magical focus -- and if what Hoyle said was true, that the cards simply focus the mind -- then why not food magic? Shoe magic? Could a prostitute use condoms as a focus? A juggler use ping-pong balls? What about an enchanted MP3 playlist where the music or story focuses the magic a certain way?

And I suppose it's only fair that a favorite narrator's story is narrated by another favorite narrator.
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: iamafish on March 10, 2011, 09:53:16 PM
I enjoyed this story. not much of substance, but a really fun, interesting idea that was done very well.

The main character was interesting enough to carry a fairly simply, but still nicely put-together plot, without being terribly original or complicated. It was well written and very well narrated.

Probably the highlight was the magic and how it worked. I really liked the idea of having magical cards. I agree that, at times, it was over-explained, with some bits left conveniently vague (like how one makes a deck for someone and what rules dictate that). Even so, it was a fantastic idea that I'd love to read more about
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Wilson Fowlie on March 10, 2011, 10:42:26 PM
The only thing that actually annoyed me, just a little, was the main character's refusal to carry a gun. The excuse - he wasn't comfortable with it - just didn't jive with me. It seemed like a rather transparent excuse for the character to use tons of cards in the penultimate confrontation. Ultimately, I had no idea why he'd scruple to wield a gun. He clearly had no problem killing people.

I assumed that it meant, not that he was necessarily emotionally or philosophically uncomfortable with a pistol, but physically so, in the same way that I am with a twirling baton, or a unicycle, or Linux.

As you point out, he certainly had no problem with the general idea of having a weapon (also supported by the bit about regularly carrying a knife, immediately following the part about the pistol).

Someone is going to say, "But there's no reason he couldn't learn to use a gun."  That's true, but the story doesn't say he couldn't use one, just that he wasn't comfortable doing so.  Some people can pick up a gun (or sit at a piano or get behind the wheel of a car) for the first time and it seems like a part of them from the first moment, and they'll probably use it well in pretty short order.

Others can pick up (or otherwise use) the same item and never feel, well, comfortable with it, even if they practice to the point of being competent.  Quentin was obviously very comfortable with a deck of cards even before he got the magic ones, so I see no stretch that using one as a weapon would feel more natural than using a gun.

But then, I'm not an American.  ;)


(Actually, I'd be genuinely interested in knowing whether there was a general difference in reaction to this point between Americans and those from other countries.)
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Scattercat on March 10, 2011, 10:47:22 PM
It's not that the limit was bad; just uninspiring.  Intricate magic systems set me to thinking in roleplaying-mode instead of story-mode, and a strict lifetime limit on the amount of magic you could use would be a total buzzkill for a roleplaying game.  This is one reason I don't really like extensive descriptions of magic systems: they put me in the wrong mood to enjoy a story.
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: BlueLu on March 11, 2011, 02:17:03 PM
Well, I wish you all hadn't brought up the gun because it didn't bother me when I was listening to the story, but now I'm sitting here thinking, yeah, this revenge plan would have been a lot easier if he'd just learned to be a sharp shooter.  I enjoyed the magical system, but the plot didn't really hold a lot of surprises for me, so in the end I found the story to be a bit forgettable. 

The main character makes the choice not to save his mother, but there's never really a consequence for that--he ends up getting to save her in the end.  In fact, he makes the choice to be a revenge-driven man, unlike his father, but there's no consequence for that, either.  He just gets to play out the rest of his cards as a different type of man.  I found that a bit unsatisfying. 

I wondered if the author was going for a Hamlet metaphor but those parallels didn't really pay off.  That might have given a bit more depth to the story.

Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Unblinking on March 11, 2011, 02:23:06 PM
with some bits left conveniently vague (like how one makes a deck for someone and what rules dictate that). Even so, it was a fantastic idea that I'd love to read more about

I don't think the vagueness of creating a deck was a flaw of the story.  Hoyle purposefully never taught him how to make a deck.  They made a bargain to teach how to use cards in exchange for delivering the deck to the son--the bargain did not including learning how to pass a deck on to someone else (and in any case the protagonist has no real drive to make a deck for someone else anyway).

It's not that the limit was bad; just uninspiring.  Intricate magic systems set me to thinking in roleplaying-mode instead of story-mode, and a strict lifetime limit on the amount of magic you could use would be a total buzzkill for a roleplaying game.  This is one reason I don't really like extensive descriptions of magic systems: they put me in the wrong mood to enjoy a story.

Fair enough.  It certainly would be a buzzkill for an RPG, prompting an undesirable dynamic where the most powerful characters are the freshly made ones.  It might be worthwhile to kill off your own character just so that you can have an excuse to start a new player with a fresh deck.


The main character makes the choice not to save his mother, but there's never really a consequence for that--he ends up getting to save her in the end.  In fact, he makes the choice to be a revenge-driven man, unlike his father, but there's no consequence for that, either.  He just gets to play out the rest of his cards as a different type of man.  I found that a bit unsatisfying. 

I wondered if the author was going for a Hamlet metaphor but those parallels didn't really pay off.  That might have given a bit more depth to the story.

That's a very good point.  I'd forgotten about his decision to not heal his mother, and that scene seemed like it was setting something up, but it didn't.  In retrospect that's a little disappointing.
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: ElectricPaladin on March 11, 2011, 02:30:28 PM
The only thing that actually annoyed me, just a little, was the main character's refusal to carry a gun. The excuse - he wasn't comfortable with it - just didn't jive with me. It seemed like a rather transparent excuse for the character to use tons of cards in the penultimate confrontation. Ultimately, I had no idea why he'd scruple to wield a gun. He clearly had no problem killing people.

I assumed that it meant, not that he was necessarily emotionally or philosophically uncomfortable with a pistol, but physically so, in the same way that I am with a twirling baton, or a unicycle, or Linux.

As you point out, he certainly had no problem with the general idea of having a weapon (also supported by the bit about regularly carrying a knife, immediately following the part about the pistol).

Someone is going to say, "But there's no reason he couldn't learn to use a gun."  That's true, but the story doesn't say he couldn't use one, just that he wasn't comfortable doing so.  Some people can pick up a gun (or sit at a piano or get behind the wheel of a car) for the first time and it seems like a part of them from the first moment, and they'll probably use it well in pretty short order.

Others can pick up (or otherwise use) the same item and never feel, well, comfortable with it, even if they practice to the point of being competent.  Quentin was obviously very comfortable with a deck of cards even before he got the magic ones, so I see no stretch that using one as a weapon would feel more natural than using a gun.

But then, I'm not an American.  ;)


(Actually, I'd be genuinely interested in knowing whether there was a general difference in reaction to this point between Americans and those from other countries.)

That's a very interesting question. I don't even like guns, myself, but I have to admit that if I were to go on a crazed revenge quest, a gun is the first thing I'd get.

I do feel, however, like magic for its own sake - magic that fails to move the plot sufficiently to justify its own existence - can be a problem. The cards may have been that, with regards to killing people.
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Devoted135 on March 11, 2011, 04:45:38 PM
I thought this story was really fun and a great listen for a Friday morning. :) I agree with a lot of the above comments (especially BlueLu's) but I didn't really think about any of those things until after it was over. Having said that, while we were waiting for the holding spell to wear off enough for Quentin to grab another card, all I could think of was this:


Quote from: The Incredibles
Lucius: [Bob and Lucius are sitting in a parked car, reminiscing] So now I'm in deep trouble. I mean, one more jolt of this death ray and I'm an epitaph. Somehow I manage to find cover and what does Baron von Ruthless do?
Bob: [laughing] He starts monologuing.
Lucius: He starts monologuing! He starts like, this prepared speech about how *feeble* I am compared to him, how *inevitable* my defeat is, how *the world* *will soon* *be his*, yadda yadda yadda.
Bob: Yammering.
Lucius: Yammering! I mean, the guy has me on a platter and he won't shut up!
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Wilson Fowlie on March 11, 2011, 07:10:26 PM
That's a very interesting question. I don't even like guns, myself, but I have to admit that if I were to go on a crazed revenge quest, a gun is the first thing I'd get.

In this world, with no access to a magic whatever-it-is-you're-best-at-using, sure. If I lived in a world with magic and I had a choice between a gun and, say, some kind of magical musical instrument, I'd take the instrument over the gun, just because I'd have more confidence in my ability to use it. In the real world, I'd have to settle for a gun.

Also, I got the sense that the cards enabled Quentin to even think about going on the crazed revenge quest. Taking only a gun - especially if he sucks at using it - would just have gotten him killed, since he wouldn't even have been able to get onto the boat:
 1. Shoot Guard #1
 2. One (or more) of the other 5 guards shoots you.
 3. End of revenge quest.

Now to me, a more valid question is: Why he didn't use a more powerful card (in the same suit) at the beginning to make himself invisible and inaudible all the way up to the top deck? Then he could have used a gun (or even a knife, if he preferred) and saved himself all those cards.
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Scattercat on March 11, 2011, 09:49:17 PM
Now to me, a more valid question is: Why he didn't use a more powerful card (in the same suit) at the beginning to make himself invisible and inaudible all the way up to the top deck? Then he could have used a gun (or even a knife, if he preferred) and saved himself all those cards.

I think a lot of the vague dissatisfaction comes from the fact that the inherent metaphor of the cards is time; you can only do so many things with your life, and you only get one shot at it, so you have to make decisions whether to use your time wisely or not.  This is a fine and interesting thematic underpinning that the story doesn't belabor too much (which is good), but it does contort the plot a bit. 

In other words, the reason the main character can't just use one card to get him in range to use a gun is because that would be a pragmatic common-sense approach to the specific world rule of "You get one deck ever."  It's a gamer's response.  The metaphor demands that his choice to seek revenge be costly to him in terms of the magic he has; he's making a choice to spend his "deck" on seeking revenge, and therefore the story has to end with him having depleted much of his power in pursuit of that revenge and leaving him feeling as if he's wasted it a bit.  The metaphor is forcing the characters to act in a way that doesn't seem to make as much sense, when thought about logically.  I think that's a pretty valid criticism of the story. 

The issue with him healing his mother is the flip side of the same coin, I suspect.  I think that the reason it seems off to people is because it doesn't end up costing him much.  He just does it and wanders away without fretting over it.  Previously, he'd worried about using his limited "deck" to help his loved ones or pursue revenge and made the choice to take revenge; the story revisits this when he considers using the Queen of Hearts in the fight and hesitates again, and it is only random chance (the Joker) that saves him.  I think this incident is handled well within the confines of the metaphor, but I can see someone feeling a bit cheated that he was able to make a choice to seek revenge, but still have enough of his "deck" left to handily save his mother, too.  It may be that part of the problem there is that, because it's magic, he's able to just use the card and wander away without having to experience the emotional pain and tedious physical effort involved in healing an ailing parent; again, the pragmatics of the world are brushing up against the metaphorical equivalence of the deck of cards with the time of one's life and generating some friction where they clash.
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: aesculapius on March 12, 2011, 12:39:22 AM
Great story, loved the world-building too.
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Rain on March 12, 2011, 07:48:42 AM
Great story, would love to hear more things set in that universe.
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: blueeyeddevil on March 12, 2011, 12:24:45 PM
Hmmm.

Synopsis: a southern wastrel version of Hamlet is given magical cards, and instead of bothering to dither about wondering if he's justified and pretending to be crazy, he instead does something crazy and uses half his deck to exact big, bloody, and poorly planned revenge. As a salve to his conscience he heals his mother...

Not to call out another podcast's name in bed; but I recently heard a good little spiel from Brandon Sanderson over on Writing Excuses about how he creates good magic systems, and how it relates to the creative process in general: Limitations breed creativity.

Yet I found this magic system too limiting. If your going to base magic on a game, the inevitable reasoning should lead to the idea of a prize. Had there been a way to accrue more power, such as defeating another Card Sharp and taking his cards, taking dangerous risks to 'recharge' the cards, or some other factor would have made the whole thing more interesting (perhaps it's just the GM in me looking for balanced and/or playable options).

And to confound my own argument even more, I think, in another way, the magic was too powerful. Except for the limitation that 'once it's gone, it's gone' and the price of delivering the other deck, plus the initial money he payed, the protagonist didn't really have to pay in any meaningful sense.

'For the low low price of five hundred dollars and running a small errand, you too can have a deck of magical cards. Limit: one per customer.'

It was established through the beginning of the story that the protagonist didn't have to use the cards for everything (he cheated someone at cards earlier).  So really, except for his own stupidity, he doesn't really have to expend this magical resource. If he'd been smarter, he could have brought two Colt  Peacemakers on board and shot the henchmen while using a card to make himself bulletproof.

Meh, enough maundering about, I guess the real disappointment is that the gambling aspect of this sort of magic wasn't properly exploited, and I think that would have made for a better story.  Pretty much what's already been said above.

Edit: added a couple of line breaks and the last sentence.
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: stePH on March 12, 2011, 04:56:00 PM
Not to call out another podcast's name in bed; but....

 :D oh, snap!
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: blueeyeddevil on March 13, 2011, 11:38:35 PM
Not to call out another podcast's name in bed; but....

 :D oh, snap!

I wrote that line and then thought of deleting it, then decided it was too funny to go. Unfortunately I ended up spending the next hour thinking of what the worst podcast title to call out in such circumstances would be.

Most creepy: "PSEUDOPOD!"
Most likely to discourage your partner: "I SHOULD BE WRITING!"
It may seem like I'm favoring the home team, but these two actually work quite well.
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: iamafish on March 14, 2011, 01:25:33 AM
'be mighty' might be in interesting thing to yell out.

Or 'aaaaand welcome back', just after climax
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Gamercow on March 14, 2011, 02:53:55 PM
I adored this story.  I'm a gamer, to the core, and I will play card games almost anywhere.  I even broke up with a girl in college because she scoffed and said "I don't play stupid card games" when I suggested we kill time between classes with a quick game.(I always carry a pack of cards with me)  Wilson's narration was awesome, though I could tell in certain parts that he was Canadian from his pronunciation or use of certain words.  Not sure which ones now.  That did not detract from the story at all, however, as I think he did a great job with the Southern accent. 

As for the magic system:  At first, I was reminded of The Deck of Many Things (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deck_of_many_things), from Dungeons and Dragons, and more specifically, an alteration I made to the DoMT for my D&D group many years ago.  I did something similar to this story, where a character got a deck imbued with magic, and the different suits provided different effects though not nearly as many as in this story.  The power of the effects went up as the number went up, and there was definite caution on the part of the player who got them.  Knowing there is a limited amount of power at your hands is both entertaining and maddening, because you never know if the power will be enough, too much, or when you're really going to need that ace. 

Sure there were better ways that he could have killed his uncle, and maybe the magic system was flawed, but it certainly didn't bother me, and I didn't notice it until people in this thread mentioned it. 
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: BlueLu on March 14, 2011, 08:04:35 PM
Or 'aaaaand welcome back', just after climax

Now I'm going to giggle every time Dave says that.
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: kibitzer on March 15, 2011, 01:57:05 AM
Wilson sho-ah did a fine readin. I was walking my dog listening to this and I found myself trying out some of the lines -- that accent is an irresistible lure. I'll let you decide for yourselves whether an Aussie could pull off the Southern accent.

(But don't mention Jack Thompson in "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil").

Anyway, great story! Loved it and the gun thing didn't even enter my mind. It DID make me wonder how I'd make choices given such a one-time use power. I wonder what the wastrel son does with his deck?
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: birdless on March 16, 2011, 09:03:44 PM
Now to me, a more valid question is: Why he didn't use a more powerful card (in the same suit) at the beginning to make himself invisible and inaudible all the way up to the top deck? Then he could have used a gun (or even a knife, if he preferred) and saved himself all those cards.

I think a lot of the vague dissatisfaction comes from the fact that the inherent metaphor of the cards is time; you can only do so many things with your life, and you only get one shot at it, so you have to make decisions whether to use your time wisely or not.  This is a fine and interesting thematic underpinning that the story doesn't belabor too much (which is good), but it does contort the plot a bit. 

In other words, the reason the main character can't just use one card to get him in range to use a gun is because that would be a pragmatic common-sense approach to the specific world rule of "You get one deck ever."  It's a gamer's response.  The metaphor demands that his choice to seek revenge be costly to him in terms of the magic he has; he's making a choice to spend his "deck" on seeking revenge, and therefore the story has to end with him having depleted much of his power in pursuit of that revenge and leaving him feeling as if he's wasted it a bit.  The metaphor is forcing the characters to act in a way that doesn't seem to make as much sense, when thought about logically.  I think that's a pretty valid criticism of the story. 

The issue with him healing his mother is the flip side of the same coin, I suspect.  I think that the reason it seems off to people is because it doesn't end up costing him much.  He just does it and wanders away without fretting over it.  Previously, he'd worried about using his limited "deck" to help his loved ones or pursue revenge and made the choice to take revenge; the story revisits this when he considers using the Queen of Hearts in the fight and hesitates again, and it is only random chance (the Joker) that saves him.  I think this incident is handled well within the confines of the metaphor, but I can see someone feeling a bit cheated that he was able to make a choice to seek revenge, but still have enough of his "deck" left to handily save his mother, too.  It may be that part of the problem there is that, because it's magic, he's able to just use the card and wander away without having to experience the emotional pain and tedious physical effort involved in healing an ailing parent; again, the pragmatics of the world are brushing up against the metaphorical equivalence of the deck of cards with the time of one's life and generating some friction where they clash.

I agree with Gamercow on just about everything he said (i didn't break up with a girl who didn't like cards, but i probably would have). At any rate, yes, i enjoyed this story, and, i think, almost intentionally didn't put too much thought into the magic system—i tend to frame magic rules in a RPG reference, too (even the D&D magic system bugged me forever (forgetting the same spell every day?? I just can't comprehend that), until i finally figured out a way to satisfy, in my mind at least, that the reason MUs have to choose specific spells daily (and not be able to choose whatever spell is in their book) is because the energy involved in a particular spell is different than any other spell, and they expel the specific matrix of that energy when they cast that spell). But back to the topic: can we just make sure Scattercat's comment is in the audio feedback? Great critique, there, SC!!!
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Obleo21 on March 16, 2011, 09:15:14 PM
As soon as it was revealed that Roland was Quentin's uncle, I immediately thought of Hamlet too.  I think that the single pack dilemma would have been more dramatic if the rules hadn't been so thoroughly explained to the mc, but regardless, I love me a story on a riverboat. 
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: Scattercat on March 16, 2011, 10:18:14 PM
I think I'm a little long-winded to quote.  :-P
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: kibitzer on March 17, 2011, 01:26:00 AM
I think I'm a little long-winded to quote.  :-P

Well not for this one ;-)
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: acpracht on March 17, 2011, 05:06:24 PM
Or 'aaaaand welcome back', just after climax

Now I'm going to giggle every time Dave says that.

Me too! I can't stop tittering; good thing I have my own office.
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: stePH on March 17, 2011, 05:36:15 PM
Me too! I can't stop tittering; good thing I have my own office.

huhuh, you said "tit"....  ;D
Title: Re: PC147: Card Sharp
Post by: LaShawn on April 26, 2011, 04:38:31 PM
All right, enough of the innuendos. To bring it back on track...

What a fun story! I too got hints of Hamlet. I wanted to hear more of this world. And Wilson's reading was top-notch!