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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2008, 10:30:28 PM »
First. I just loved Tideline. Sorta wished that the kid had figured out a way to fix her leg, rust etc, and get her off the beach...

Second, I've listed to a couple of the Variant Frequencies episodes, and found some of the sounds to be very annoying and distracting, and didn't finish the stories, and removed them from my podcatcher.  - Not that I don't like an audio drama, but to many bells and whistles and flashing lights, forget it.

To paraphrase what one of the things you and your wife wanted to teach Alex about life was that Game Play wins over graphics. (I think that the Wii proves it)

The same holds true here. You won't overhear someone say, "oh yea, that's a great podcast, they have great sound effects". You'll hear them recall the STORY or the information. Sure, you might recognize that they put work into good production, as you know from experience what it takes, and that's deserving of notice, but honestly. What do we recall? The information, the story. And yea, snazzy effects are nice, but how many movies or video games that had nice visuals but had lousy story lines ever stood the test of time?

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So um... back to the podcast. Mr Eley mentioned that escape pod didn't win the best science fiction podcast, who did?

Good one, I'd forgotten all about that. Indeed, Steve, who could've possibly beaten EP??

Variant Frequencies.  Took the Parsec Award in the short fiction category in both 2006 and 2007.  No complaints from me: it's a fabulous podcast deserving of honors.  Rick Stringer puts much, much more work into rich sound production than I do, and the stories are top notch.



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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2008, 10:47:45 PM »


The same holds true here. You won't overhear someone say, "oh yea, that's a great podcast, they have great sound effects". You'll hear them recall the STORY or the information. Sure, you might recognize that they put work into good production, as you know from experience what it takes, and that's deserving of notice, but honestly. What do we recall? The information, the story. And yea, snazzy effects are nice, but how many movies or video games that had nice visuals but had lousy story lines ever stood the test of time?


So um... back to the podcast. Mr Eley mentioned that escape pod didn't win the best science fiction podcast, who did?

Good one, I'd forgotten all about that. Indeed, Steve, who could've possibly beaten EP??

Variant Frequencies.  Took the Parsec Award in the short fiction category in both 2006 and 2007.  No complaints from me: it's a fabulous podcast deserving of honors.  Rick Stringer puts much, much more work into rich sound production than I do, and the stories are top notch.


I agree completely.  I hope to see Steve tear it up this year- I have a feeling he will...

because of stories like this.... I LOVED this story.  What an atmosphere Bear creates; reminds me of "The Road" by Cormac McCarthy- eerie and sad, yet with a strange and redemptive love that is tragically set to expire.  Wonderful.

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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2008, 02:22:44 PM »
I really enjoyed this story, my only complaint would be the voice effect made it very hard to understand sometimes.
After a couple of stories recently that were not really to my tastes this was right back on form.
I think sense of duty to remember the dead came across well and the lack of a "twist" ending was a nice change.

Well done.

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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2008, 03:30:16 PM »
Just heard it.  Thought it was really very good.    Odd that even an aged war robot would develop feelings though.  Yet it worked here and produced a very touching story

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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2008, 04:09:45 PM »
Just heard it.  Thought it was really very good.    Odd that even an aged war robot would develop feelings though.  Yet it worked here and produced a very touching story

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Actually, I thought the author handled that well.  Without beating us over the head with it, it was made clear that the machine had to function as an integral part of a mixed force of humans and machines.  With that in mind, it makes sense that the AI would have some understanding of human emotions -- she had to be part of the team. 
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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2008, 04:12:02 PM »
Here's an interesting one. I remember reading this story when it ran in Asimovs (or Analog? I can't remember. I read em both, and they're all entangled on my bookshelf). At that time I felt it was a too simple story, with too much sentimentality (something I'm not fond of in SF).

However, read out loud, this story really moved me. Steve's voice really brought it alive.

Maybe some stories are best read out loud. This one certainly benefitted, and it made me realize the intricacies of Bear's writing.

And it got me to thinking - if I ever get round to being a published writer, I can SO hear (in my head) Steve reading my stories.

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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2008, 05:33:02 PM »
I very much enjoyed this story.  I chuckled at the "human enemies are soft targets" bit.
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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2008, 03:50:06 PM »
And I like to think that through this machine the human race carried on.  Not just biologically; our humanity itself survived due to this machine we created to kill.  Though what was potentially one of the causes of our own destruction, we are given a second chance.

I'd like to see what happened in 50 years in this universe.  Though I know that would spoil the story... as then we know what happened next... but I can dream.
Very cool line of thought, Contra, that a machine we created to destroy actually served to help humanity survive. And that is a fascinating idea for a broader, novel-length story. I would definitely pick that up if the author chose to develop it so.

In a personal note, I'd like to say how much I appreciate what escape pod does every week ( and with the Hugos and such yearly).  This week there was a deathin the family, and living on my own and other factors (people worrying about me in general and such), I didn't find out for 4 days.  I was hit pretty hard by it as I felt blindsided by it; the funeral is tomorrow.  When something like this happens you feel like there is nothing else out there, and that this is it.  It makes us think life could end anytime, and there may not be a tomorrow. 
Then at work yesterday, while on my lunch break,  my playlist moves on, advert and I hear the intro music play.  I smile a little thinking that I don't know if I'm in the mood for a sci fi story fight now, but I'd give it a chance.  Then you said it was a Hugo, and I realised things go on. I enjoyed the story, and the escapeism is gave me.  For a while I'm taken to the end of the world with a robot teaching a human, and I enjoyed it.  For a while I smiled.  Thank you.
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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2008, 06:36:00 PM »
Wow... great story.  (I wish I hadn't had to wait nearly a week to get a chance to listen to it, but circumstances dictate.)

I was actually glad not to get bogged down in the "back story" of the robot; she was a battle bot, 'nuff said.  The battle was just set dressing; all we needed to know was that one had taken place.  Tideline wasn't about the battle, and if the story isn't about that, the extra detail would be pointless.  At the end of the day, all battles are basically the same; two (or more) sides disagreeing about something, and destroying anything that gets in their way.  Granular details about it would be part of a different story.

I thought the whole concept of a damaged being working to leave a legacy was beautiful; the setting was gorgeous (at least it was in MY imagination)... much better than what I've been reading this week.  :)

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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #49 on: May 04, 2008, 04:00:10 AM »
I really enjoyed this story.  All too often war robots drive a plot along by continuing to fight wars that are long over.  It's refreshing to see a robot who wants to create closure after a war.  I like to think that if her consciousness could somehow be sent back in time and installed in her fresh off the assembly line body, she would be a conscientious objector.

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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2008, 11:27:45 AM »
Enjoyable episode. I too thought of the "Boloverse", with this story. The humaization of machinery.


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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2008, 05:00:55 AM »
So that's what Steve looks like!! has been given its own little place. 

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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2008, 10:20:24 AM »
My Mother the Carapaced Battle-bot ;)

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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2008, 11:07:32 PM »
I get Escape Pod through iTunes, and when I downloaded this story, I got instead a Starship Sofa piece by the same author.  While it was an intriguing story and good incentive for me to expand my podcast library, it was not what I was expecting.  Was this intentional in some way?

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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2008, 11:46:57 PM »
I get Escape Pod through iTunes, and when I downloaded this story, I got instead a Starship Sofa piece by the same author.  While it was an intriguing story and good incentive for me to expand my podcast library, it was not what I was expecting.  Was this intentional in some way?

Interesting.  I get Escape Pod through iTunes too, but didn't get Starship Sofa instead of this episode. 

I wonder if I should feel cheated.

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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #55 on: May 16, 2008, 09:48:42 AM »
Two things:
1. The robot reminded me of what might be the mother of the sentry guards in Portal (cycloptic, tripodal).  Steve's voice for the robot just drove this point home.
2. No more Red Hunter - The Fall.  This has got to be third or so podcast that has this as the end music.  There's nothing wrong with the song, but it starts to lose its meaning once it's played for the third post-apocalyptic story.
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« Reply #56 on: May 16, 2008, 07:32:38 PM »
2. No more Red Hunter - The Fall.  This has got to be third or so podcast that has this as the end music.  There's nothing wrong with the song, but it starts to lose its meaning once it's played for the third post-apocalyptic story.

  Are you counting the fact that EP has used it before, or are you counting actual individual podcasts?
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« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2008, 11:02:32 AM »
  Are you counting the fact that EP has used it before, or are you counting actual individual podcasts?

EP using it before.
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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #58 on: June 04, 2008, 12:57:39 PM »
I get Escape Pod through iTunes, and when I downloaded this story, I got instead a Starship Sofa piece by the same author.  While it was an intriguing story and good incentive for me to expand my podcast library, it was not what I was expecting.  Was this intentional in some way?
So confusing.
I got another Elizabeth Bear story, "Deep Blue Sea", which I adored... But I got kind of confused when I saw that everyone was talking about robots and wars and dogs when the story I have labeled "Tideline" was about Nevada and motorcycles and the Devil.
Can someone direct me to a thread where I can post my comments on that story instead? Better yet, explain how I can get hold of a copy of "Tideline"?

(It was also odd, because the intro was Scottish. I thought maybe Steve Eley was sick or something.)
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Re: EP155: Tideline
« Reply #59 on: June 04, 2008, 01:23:00 PM »
Well, you can get Tideline here. But I don't know about the other.
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