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Reply #25 on: February 03, 2009, 11:37:05 AM
See, I HATED sizable portions of season three.  I've come back in on 'Revelations' and so far, with the exception of the draggy bits of the last but one episode, I think it's going out on a real high.  The characters are sharper, the series is suddenly about something much bigger than us running from the Cylon threat and everyone's getting a moment in the sun. 

   I am still of the opinion that the vast majority of the cast are toast well before the ending, but it's fun to spot how they'll go out.  REALLY hoping Helo makes it to the end but I suspect that's a vain hope at best...



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Reply #26 on: February 03, 2009, 05:01:21 PM
Is it only me, or are Roslin and Adama becoming the villains of this series?
I mean they were never the faithful keepers of democracy to begin with, but the fleet is sliding fast to a military dictatorship with an uninterested figurehead president.
Its gotten to the point that I am rooting for Zarek.



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Reply #27 on: February 03, 2009, 05:09:43 PM
I think there's certainly a case for that.  I do wonder, in fact, whether or not things go utterly, completely, horrificially badly wrong, we lose a sizable portion of the human population and then the last few episodes are everyone being given an immense Damascene revelation about why Earth is like it is, what the Cylons actually are and what Starbuck actually IS.

Or

It COULD all end in a MASSIVE dance number.



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Reply #28 on: February 03, 2009, 06:16:47 PM
I vote for dance number.



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Reply #29 on: February 03, 2009, 06:18:59 PM
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It COULD all end in a MASSIVE dance number.

...On the Casino Planet.

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Reply #30 on: February 03, 2009, 06:34:28 PM
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It COULD all end in a MASSIVE dance number.

...On the Casino Planet.

See, this is why I love these boards!  You guys are the best!  Thanks for my morning smile.   ;D



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Reply #31 on: February 11, 2009, 07:36:23 AM
What, no one has any comments about the end of the mutiny?

Like I said, they're back on form. That two-parter felt like 33 all over again.

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Reply #32 on: February 11, 2009, 10:51:39 AM



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Reply #33 on: February 11, 2009, 02:12:46 PM
What, no one has any comments about the end of the mutiny?

Like I said, they're back on form. That two-parter felt like 33 all over again.

I'm just wondering where they go with the remaining episiodes.  They took one to decide Earth was a wash, pack up their shit and hit the road again.  Then three more to start and fail a mutiny.  That leaves six, and I can only wonder what comes next.  It must involve Dean Stockwell's Cylon faction pursuing them in some way, I'm sure.

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and rereading the thread I noted earlier I said:
From almost the beginning of the show's run, we've been told of the Cylons "... and they have a plan."  It wasn't long before some, myself included, began adding "and when Ron Moore figures out what it is, they'll be the first to know."  Does anybody have any idea what "the Cylon plan" was?  Because whatever it was seems to have gone completely off the rails; for evidence I submit the civil war and the reconciliation with humanity.

Anybody?  Anybody?


And what the frack is up with Bob Dylan?
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Reply #34 on: February 11, 2009, 09:58:42 PM

From almost the beginning of the show's run, we've been told of the Cylons "... and they have a plan."  It wasn't long before some, myself included, began adding "and when Ron Moore figures out what it is, they'll be the first to know."  Does anybody have any idea what "the Cylon plan" was?  Because whatever it was seems to have gone completely off the rails; for evidence I submit the civil war and the reconciliation with humanity.


Anybody?  Anybody?


   There is a second TV movie on the way called The Plan.  Directed by Edward James Olmos, covering primary events from the Cylon's point of view as well as extra stuff featuring Anders, Tory, Tyrol and Tigh.


And what the frack is up with Bob Dylan?
   Could have been worse.  Could have been The Laughing Gnome by David Bowie:)



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Reply #35 on: February 11, 2009, 10:41:09 PM
And what the frack is up with Bob Dylan?
   Could have been worse.  Could have been The Laughing Gnome by David Bowie:)


Thinking about it, it would be interesting to see a show based off Space Oddity (song) or the Ziggy Stardust album.

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Reply #36 on: February 11, 2009, 10:42:06 PM
 :-*

space oddity was my favourite song when I was 7 :)



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Reply #37 on: February 11, 2009, 10:44:52 PM
:-*

space oddity was my favourite song when I was 7 :)

Thinking about it further, that song always reminded me of 2001.

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Reply #38 on: February 12, 2009, 01:09:20 AM
Latest Maximum PC No BS Podcast's regular feature "Gordon Mah Ung's Rant o' the Week" had an amusing speculation on how the series will end ... (I'm paraphrasing here) ... after the Galactica is destroyed, Edward James Olmos will wake up in the Blade Runner world with Harrison Ford, and say "I just had the weirdest frakkin' dream."  He also pointed out how both Blade Runner and BSG call the imitation humans "skinjobs".

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Reply #39 on: February 12, 2009, 03:16:05 AM
I have a Theory About Brontosauruses BSG.

I submit the notion that the skinjob Cylons are cloned descendants of the real humans who colonized the galaxy long ago, just before the Big One back on Earth. Because they are clones, they cannot reproduce the old-fashioned way. They may have developed cybernetic or nanotech implants as well, giving rise to the notion that they are cyborgs. The Centurion and Raider models are more like robot servants with biological components.
The so-called humans, OTOH, are an artificial yet totally biological race/species/whatever that were manufactured by the clones/Cylons to fill out the populations, and the Cylon bio-techs who developed them managed to figure out how they could reproduce on their own, in a natural way, without the aid of a resurrection facility. Hence the diversity of appearance.

About the "final 5th Cylon" - don't we already have two candidates, in Kara Thrace who (presumably) found her own body; and Ellen Tigh, because she was remembered by Saul as appearing in one of his earlier lives? Come to think of it, I thought I had read somewhere that Ellen was confirmed as the fifth Cylon. Which makes me wonder about Kara. ???

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Reply #41 on: February 16, 2009, 08:55:26 PM
**Spoilers warning.  Spoilers warning.  You should know better, anyway.  Spoilers warning.**

So now that the
"What/where is Earth (and will the hoomans be safe from Cylon attacks there)?"
"Who are the Final Five?"
and "Who is the Final-est Five?"

questions have been done, we've still got

  • "What's with the virtual head-people that some characters have (And so far refuse to acknowledge to anyone else)?"
  • "What's with The Signal that Ms Thrace was able to track aaalllllllllll the way back to Earth with her ship's radar, yet no other technology could?" I mean, even if it was coming from the remains of a crashed ship, how could no other ship detect it?  Someone/thing would have to have set that up and....who?
  • "What's with there being a Kara Thrace alive and pretty well and the remains of a viper(?) on Earth, with the remains of a Kara Thrace and a Kara-Thrace-in-viper(?)-ship-explody-blowy-uppy-into-small-bits-in-space?"
  • "The Opera House.  Remember all that?  With the shared dreams and visions and running about carrying/stealing/whatever little Hera?  Is that, now, not happening?"
     (And has she stopped drawing creepy Six drawings?)
  • "Did the Cavils et al keep on lobotomising the cylon raiders?"
  • "Did all the Centurions have their limiting chip things removed, or only the ones on the base ship wot was where some of the Cavils (et al) were shot?"
  • "Are there really no more Sevens left?  Really?
  • "How does an 'original' Cylon-type manage to get resurrected anyway?  Especially if the Hub is gone and we-canna-resurrect-anymore-Cap'n?  And, in that case, could Saul just jump out an airlock or something and 'come back' with both eyes? Ditto for Anders and with a working brain rather than a shot one."

Seems like a lot for 6 episodes.
Maybe they will be talky episodes rather than shooting and explosion episodes.
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Reply #42 on: February 16, 2009, 09:13:14 PM
  • "What's with the virtual head-people that some characters have (And so far refuse to acknowledge to anyone else)?"

I think that's just the head people leaving such a psychic imprint on the character that they're hallucinating. It's never seemed like it was more.

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Reply #43 on: February 16, 2009, 09:16:56 PM

I think that's just the head people leaving such a psychic imprint on the character that they're hallucinating. It's never seemed like it was more.


Baltar's Head-Six was able to lift him up, in full view of other people though they didn't see her, and 'she' has pushed/pulled him around before, too.



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Reply #44 on: February 17, 2009, 03:54:25 AM
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"How does an 'original' Cylon-type manage to get resurrected anyway?  Especially if the Hub is gone and we-canna-resurrect-anymore-Cap'n? 

Ellen resurrected long before the Hub was destroyed.  My guess is that Dean had the resurrection area for the Five isolated from the access of anybody else.

Or maybe Moore's still just pulling stuff out of his ass as he goes along.

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Reply #45 on: February 17, 2009, 10:39:33 AM
Yeah, I realised that (about the Hub not being expoded yet) after I'd posted, and then couldn't log back in.  Grrrrrr.

But it does seem strange that 'every' Cylon can be resurrected.  Like, if you broke your old betamax machine it could come back new from the mp3 factory down the road.

anyway......

[edit:  and, yes, I think a large part of this wrap-up will be pulled from various writer-asses.]
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Reply #46 on: February 17, 2009, 06:50:57 PM
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"How does an 'original' Cylon-type manage to get resurrected anyway?  Especially if the Hub is gone and we-canna-resurrect-anymore-Cap'n? 

Ellen resurrected long before the Hub was destroyed.  My guess is that Dean had the resurrection area for the Five isolated from the access of anybody else.

Or maybe Moore's still just pulling stuff out of his ass as he goes along.

Moore has totally owned coming up with most of this as they went along (see the commentary podcast for this episode). If this is what results from that, I'm not that concerned.

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Reply #47 on: February 18, 2009, 01:18:43 AM
Moore has totally 0wn3d coming up with most of this as they went along (see the commentary podcast for this episode). If this is what results from that, I'm not that concerned.

I'm just hoping for a story and resolution that doesn't come apart under casual scrutiny.  That's easier to do if you know where you're going before you get there.

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Reply #48 on: February 18, 2009, 05:34:06 AM
Ok, I just watched last week's show.  Mostly plot narrative and explanation for the entire series, LAME.  Moved too fast for me.  Will someone be a champ and summarize what the crap all that aphasia Anders/John/Helen yammering was about?  Pretty please?



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Reply #49 on: February 19, 2009, 03:53:12 AM
... And, in that case, could Saul just jump out an airlock or something and 'come back' with both eyes? Ditto for Anders and with a working brain rather than a shot one." [/li][/list]
[The answer to the original question having been answered...]
What mystifies me is that (presumably) Saul and Ellen had been a couple for a long time (talking about during his current lifetime) and that they probably looked much younger when they met. Now that Ellen has resurrected, she looks just like she did immediately before she died. It can't be that both of them started out looking the age they do now, because Adama would have noticed something odd with Saul's unchanging appearance. Even if Saul appeared to age normally, he and Adama (over the past 20-30 years) would still have noticed something was up with Ellen.

Oh, wait, maybe I need one of these for my disbelief:


goatkeeper - try http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Final_Five and http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Humanoid_Cylon#The_Thirteen_Cylon_Models
Much of what was revealed about the humanoid Cylons in the most recent episode is summarized there, including an "oh yeah, there was a model 7 we all forgot about" thing.

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