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« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2008, 06:22:42 AM »

In a few of last (not in all) escapepod episodes there has been a slight strange "echo" in the soundtrack which makes it harder to understand. this was one of those.  Is there some kind of noise reducting or something in use which causes that?
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« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2008, 06:27:01 PM »

I'm afraid Steve raised my expectations rather too high with the comparson to Austen.  Sitting in transit I could barely contain my glee anticipating the clever and dramatic characters I love from Jane Austen set in an alien world.  Unfortunately I found that, while like Steve's intro, the stroy raised my expectations it didn't actually fulfill any of them.  The world was interesting, the motivations understandable (and yes I believe alien motivations must be mostly human like in order for us to relate to them) but they didn't go anywhere.  I think I'm going to join Steve in high hopes for future work and possible even further development of this world. 
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« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2008, 07:06:23 PM »

I liked this story.  It felt like an episode of the west wing... well... in some ways...
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« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2008, 07:18:00 PM »

I liked this story.  It felt like an episode of the west wing... well... in some ways...
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  With a large gelatinous blob in the role of President Bartlet  Wink
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« Reply #44 on: August 02, 2008, 02:58:37 PM »

This one left me lukewarm. Put another way, it only imparted a little bit of heat--a miserly donation at best.

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I fully admit that it's a ridiculous thing to pick on. But I'm a horrible pedant.

I'd say it's about as large a gaffe as Han Solo using parsecs as a measure of speed. IOW, it's worth poking fun of, but not getting upset over.

On one of the DVD commentaries Lucas explained why Parsecs was used.  The way Hyperspace was defined in Star Wars has all ships moving at the same speed in Hyperspace.  The key is planning your route so that you don't fly through a moon, but making it shorter than others would.  Han Solo made the run in 7(?) Parsecs, because he planned the course shorter than anyone else had.
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« Reply #45 on: August 02, 2008, 03:02:34 PM »

This one left me lukewarm. Put another way, it only imparted a little bit of heat--a miserly donation at best.

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I fully admit that it's a ridiculous thing to pick on. But I'm a horrible pedant.

I'd say it's about as large a gaffe as Han Solo using parsecs as a measure of speed. IOW, it's worth poking fun of, but not getting upset over.

On one of the DVD commentaries Lucas explained why Parsecs was used.  The way Hyperspace was defined in Star Wars has all ships moving at the same speed in Hyperspace.  The key is planning your route so that you don't fly through a moon, but making it shorter than others would.  Han Solo made the run in 7(?) Parsecs, because he planned the course shorter than anyone else had.

That's just him adding post-hoc justification. It's pretty well documented in various interviews that parsecs were used because, when he wrote the movie, he believed them to be units of time.
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« Reply #46 on: August 02, 2008, 07:13:32 PM »

This one left me lukewarm. Put another way, it only imparted a little bit of heat--a miserly donation at best.

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I fully admit that it's a ridiculous thing to pick on. But I'm a horrible pedant.

I'd say it's about as large a gaffe as Han Solo using parsecs as a measure of speed. IOW, it's worth poking fun of, but not getting upset over.

On one of the DVD commentaries Lucas explained why Parsecs was used.  The way Hyperspace was defined in Star Wars has all ships moving at the same speed in Hyperspace.  The key is planning your route so that you don't fly through a moon, but making it shorter than others would.  Han Solo made the run in 7(?) Parsecs, because he planned the course shorter than anyone else had.

That's just him adding post-hoc justification. It's pretty well documented in various interviews that parsecs were used because, when he wrote the movie, he believed them to be units of time.

I'm going to be an ass now.  Got A link?  A Physicist friend of mine said the explanation held a bit of water.  Maybe not perfect, but acceptable.  Han does talk about plotting the course in Star Wars.
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« Reply #47 on: August 03, 2008, 12:37:50 AM »

This one left me lukewarm. Put another way, it only imparted a little bit of heat--a miserly donation at best.

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I fully admit that it's a ridiculous thing to pick on. But I'm a horrible pedant.

I'd say it's about as large a gaffe as Han Solo using parsecs as a measure of speed. IOW, it's worth poking fun of, but not getting upset over.

On one of the DVD commentaries Lucas explained why Parsecs was used.  The way Hyperspace was defined in Star Wars has all ships moving at the same speed in Hyperspace.  The key is planning your route so that you don't fly through a moon, but making it shorter than others would.  Han Solo made the run in 7(?) Parsecs, because he planned the course shorter than anyone else had.

That's just him adding post-hoc justification. It's pretty well documented in various interviews that parsecs were used because, when he wrote the movie, he believed them to be units of time.

I'm going to be an ass now.  Got A link?  A Physicist friend of mine said the explanation held a bit of water.  Maybe not perfect, but acceptable.  Han does talk about plotting the course in Star Wars.

He mentions plotting a course through hyperspace because without the precise calculations they could fly right into a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that would end their trip real quick, wouldn't it?

Lucas in the aforementioned DVD commentary is attempting to retcon his gaffe.  When Han says the Millennium Falcon "made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs" he's talking about time.  Remember, this is in the context of the Falcon being a "fast ship."  She makes "point five past lightspeed."
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« Reply #48 on: August 03, 2008, 02:46:50 AM »

I'm going to be an ass now.  Got A link?  A Physicist friend of mine said the explanation held a bit of water.  Maybe not perfect, but acceptable.  Han does talk about plotting the course in Star Wars.

I don't have a link to any particular interview; note that I wasn't saying it's a retcon, for the simple reason that the movie dialogue stands as is. What changed was the explanation, which evolved over time. I speculate, though I don't know for sure, that explanation you gave was why Lucas decided to leave it in when he was making the special editions. That doesn't mean that he thought about it back in the 70s.

Also, from the official Star Wars website:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/kessel/index.html

Note the bottom section; it doesn't outright say "Lucas made a mistake", but it acknowledges that it doesn't make sense as-is, gives several alternative explanations, and attributes all of them other than "Han was just trying to sound impressive" to sources other than Lucas.
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« Reply #49 on: August 03, 2008, 08:26:00 AM »

This was a well written story I mean the sentences went together very well, I just felt that the actual overall plot was missing.  Kind of a Meh.
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« Reply #50 on: August 03, 2008, 08:35:25 AM »

I enjoyed this story, and I agree it does a great job of world building. It's a great example of the old 'show, don't tell rule.' The world was built not by straight descriptions, but by implication and context.

I have a lot of trouble with this in my writing, which often becomes so bogged down with description the plot forgets to happen.
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« Reply #51 on: August 04, 2008, 10:22:27 AM »

I liked it, it seemed to be an interesting world. As some others have mentioned i found it hard to hear at some points i dont know if it was poor sound quality or just some sound effect
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« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2008, 08:49:04 PM »

It was only out of politeness that I continued listening past 5 minutes or so. I thought maybe it was going to become (intentionally) humorous, but such was not the case.

It's harder to deal with sentient jellyfish society revolving around preudosexual transfer of energy (hoeever plausible the measures) in a society of rigidly quantifiable (and possibly emperically verifiable) social hierarchical standing, that just happen to also experience the same emotions as we do in pretty much the exact same way, and also dance and engage in representative government by plebicite.  Teh anthropologist in me says, with such different starting conditions, it's just not believable that so much of their psychology and society would feel just like ours.
Yeah, what he said.
Any world-building that went on was immediately rendered pointless by the similarity to human culture. In spec-fic, the usual thing is to say "what if..." and then explore what might happen. If what happens is "same-old same-old", then the "what if" is moot. Compare with, say, the Flouwen of Rocheworld.

I just could not stay engaged in the story.

The background noise removal artifacts didn't help either.
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« Reply #53 on: August 12, 2008, 12:35:08 PM »

Fun story.  It's always interesting to get a sci-fi story that doesn't include humans in any way.  It's got to be hard to write, since you don't have that character to look at things and relate them to humanity.  I really enjoyed this one.
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« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2010, 11:57:08 AM »

For those of you who enjoyed this story, it recently appeared on the Drabblecast (3/11, I think). The reding is very different and really fits with the tine of this story.

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« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2010, 01:59:40 PM »

Politics can make anything boring.  If the politics and politicians were more different than our own, maybe the differences would've interested me, but it sounded like the same old BS that goes behind any politics in the human world.  For one thing, I just really don't relate to politicians.  The system seems to be designed in such a way that only the most dishonest creeps rise to the top--that's not a criticism of any particular politician and I'm not going to get into a discussion about that.  Some candidates are better than others, yes, but the choice tends to be about who would be the least bad, and too many seem to view politics like they're betting on a sports pool--it's the team that matters, not the individual athlete, and you root for you team even if you don't think you can win or even if you think you don't deserve to win.  None of that is the author's fault, but I have trouble relating to someone whose only motivation is political power at the expense of others, and sycophantic supporters who give their everything for no other reason than some vague belief that this person is somehow better than the other.

I try to give the benefit of the doubt until about the 13 minute mark of any story before shutting it off, and it ended just before I reached that.  The most interesting part was at the very end with the heat transfer, and then it just ended without her confronting her detractor and actually getting some real conflict out of it.

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