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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2008, 11:39:53 AM »

Didn't think much of this one.  It was more worldbuilding than story.  And I couldn't help feeling that this whole "homo is the norm, hetero is deviant" has been done to death already, although I can't think of any examples offhand other than Haldeman's The Forever War.

It's not a perfect match, but there was an episode of Star Trek TNG that dealt with very similar themes.  And I agree, the conceit felt a little tired.

I just remembered The Wanting Seed by Anthony Burgess, which is on my to-read list.  Apparently the premise of that novel is encouragement of homosexuality in order to control rampant overpopulation.  The society's slogan is "It's sapiens to be homo!"  Cheesy

When I get around to reading it, I'll report back.
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2008, 12:14:34 PM »

A planet where apes evolved from men?!
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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2008, 12:31:48 PM »

You lost me, Jeem.
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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2008, 12:44:00 PM »

You lost me, Jeem.

You know, it's a "turn the tables" story, and not a good one.  The rather obvious concept alone is supposed to make up for the lack of execution.  Anyway, reminded me right away of Heston yelling at his simian captors.
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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2008, 12:54:27 PM »

Please do not rename the subject on official story threads.

Huh?  Rename?  What'd I miss?


Zatharas originally changed the subject of his post to something that did not mention the episode title, so when it showed up on the "last post in this forum" column, I clicked it without knowing where it would lead. Obviously, he hadn't intended that, and he since changed the subject of his post back (though that was unnecessary since my post restored the thread title anyway).
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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2008, 01:15:54 PM »

You lost me, Jeem.

You know, it's a "turn the tables" story, and not a good one.  The rather obvious concept alone is supposed to make up for the lack of execution.  Anyway, reminded me right away of Heston yelling at his simian captors.

Oh, okay.  Got it.
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2008, 03:15:36 PM »

i'm not even sure why you would want to change the subject in the middle of a thread. the option usually just results in the thread's subject being repeated over and over at the start of each post; adding to the visual noise of the page.


the story seems to lock this as escape pod's summer of love, six of the last nine episodes gives prime time to getting jiggy (or simulating it). maybe the increasing prostitute level is just a secondary result of this. a rising tide floats all boats.

now we just need some kind of out of control podcast music festival to lock the summer into memory.
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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2008, 03:26:26 PM »

i'm not even sure why you would want to change the subject in the middle of a thread. the option usually just results in the thread's subject being repeated over and over at the start of each post; adding to the visual noise of the page.


the story seems to lock this as escape pod's summer of love, six of the last nine episodes gives prime time to getting jiggy (or simulating it). maybe the increasing prostitute level is just a secondary result of this. a rising tide floats all boats.

now we just need some kind of out of control podcast music festival to lock the summer into memory.

Podstock?  Grin

Well, as for the "summer of love" on Escape Pod, I count four stories out of the past nine that had sex in them, starting with "God Juice". 
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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2008, 12:23:29 AM »

don't know which ones you're counting. we had the two prostitute stories, the three last episodes, and the story that opened with exposition on asphyxiation as sexual stimulation. i'm not even counting Marx shacking up with a future groupie.

compare this with another block of episodes.
i'm thinking of escape pod painted bright yellow and covered in colourful swirls.
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« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2008, 12:43:31 AM »

Maybe we ought to just accept that sex is an integral an element of speculative fiction as space travel, dragons, and ax-wielding maniacs.  Okay, that last one was thrown in for the benefit of Pseudopod, but I think you catch my drift.
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« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2008, 12:54:22 AM »

don't know which ones you're counting. we had the two prostitute stories, the three last episodes, and the story that opened with exposition on asphyxiation as sexual stimulation. i'm not even counting Marx shacking up with a future groupie.

Here we have a subtle form of ambiguity that I've seen crop up a lot in discussions like this: it's very common for people to have different concepts of how "sex" is defined, often without knowing it.

Of the "three last episodes," one had a scene of heat transfer between alien jellyfish.  One had dogs copulating in heat.  And one had an involuntary ejaculation by a minor character.  Broadly defined, you could consider all of these to be sexual activity; but if you define sex as humans engaging in intercourse, none of them had any sex in them.  There's no objective answer on what definition you should use, but I do think it's useful to recognize that many people come to the word with different assumptions.

This is mostly trivia and not important.  However, I will rigorously deny that there is any sex in "The Something-Dreaming Game," and I do think it's important to make that clear.  Yes, the author is pretty frank about children choking themselves for sensual stimulation, but the children did not do it as a sex act.  Escape Pod does not publish stories involving sexual activity with minors.  I take allegations that we do quite seriously, both for my own ethical reasons and because those allegations in the wrong ears could get us into a non-trivial amount of trouble.  So please, unless you want to discuss it with me privately, take that one out of your count.
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« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2008, 01:37:24 AM »

well, you guys harshed my buzz.

seems like i can't bring up any episode trend without people reacting defensively. if anyone knows my approach could be changed i'd be very interested to hear from you.

otherwise, lesson learned. this wasn't the conversation i was signed on for.
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« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2008, 08:30:53 AM »

The way space battles work in the "Pervert" universe is that one side leaves a point in space laden with mines and torpedoes, then flies away and waits for the other side to show up and crash into them.

Win.
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« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2008, 08:34:14 AM »

Well, as for the "summer of love" on Escape Pod, I count four stories out of the past nine that had sex in them, starting with "God Juice". 

We're all adults.  Adults (except for asexual ones) have sex.  Sex happens.  Without sex (in most cases) none of us would be here.  Plus, sex is fun to write about, and leads to all sorts of complicated plot-ular things.  It's relatable in that we all know what it is and are (again, mostly) capable of having it in the way we enjoy having it.  Not everyone can relate to my job in TV news, but everyone could relate if I said "I had sex last night".

I for one don't mind the sex element in the stories.
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« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2008, 08:39:42 AM »

I think the best part of this story was the world the author created.  I found myself wondering:

* is this an Eastern or middle-Eastern culture thing?  Or is this worldwide?
* does every culture subscribe to the methods?
* the "button that can zap you" thing... was that a joke Allie was making, or is there really a button?

The author seemed to try and make it more pan-cultural via language, clothing, and the club atmosphere, but the food was definitely not Western.

I'm reminded of Sean McMullen's "Souls in the Great Machine", where Glasken and his friend go to a restaurant and Glasken, who speaks the local dialect, requests an "Islamic Menu" for his friend because, in far-future Australia, Islam is one of the three major religions, so much so that restaurants cater to Islamic persons with menus and food choices.

Was Quiet Guy (Jamil? I forget his name...) trying to set Our Hero up with Old Guy in the hopes that Old Guy would turn him away from wanting to have heterosexual sex?  I wasn't quite sure.

I think the idea of the story was sound, but the execution didn't pay off enough on the idea of Our Hero as being a repressed pervert.  But then, in a culture like that, where you have to control your responses and live behind veils except among your own "kind" -- that is, in Our Hero's case, men -- I guess those are the responses you're trained to have.  I give it one thumb up -- interesting world, not interesting story.
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« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2008, 09:39:47 AM »

Well, as for the "summer of love" on Escape Pod, I count four stories out of the past nine that had sex in them, starting with "God Juice". 

We're all adults.  Adults (except for asexual ones) have sex.  Sex happens.  Without sex (in most cases) none of us would be here.  Plus, sex is fun to write about, and leads to all sorts of complicated plot-ular things.  It's relatable in that we all know what it is and are (again, mostly) capable of having it in the way we enjoy having it.  Not everyone can relate to my job in TV news, but everyone could relate if I said "I had sex last night".

I for one don't mind the sex element in the stories.

I think you misunderstand the intent of my post.  All I was saying was, I don't see a preponderance of sex in the recent stories -- do the math; four out of nine is less than half.
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« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2008, 09:55:05 AM »

Too boring for me to get past the two recurring thoughts.

1.) when will there be explosions

2.) when will it finish.
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« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2008, 10:58:24 AM »

I thought the whole story was much too heavy handed, personally i dont understand or agree with the anti-gay 'agenda' that one part of the political spectrum has, but there are much better ways of getting the point across than this clumsy story, i didnt like the bit at the end with the eggs and would much rather have seen more of the society than what we got
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« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2008, 12:18:37 PM »

* the "button that can zap you" thing... was that a joke Allie was making, or is there really a button?

  I was curious about this too, but on my third listen through I decided it was just a reference to him jumping like he had been shocked earlier in the story when she psoke to him. I think that, in this soceity, if there was thought to be a risk with these people interacting that it would just not be allowed in the first place like it is for the rest of their society.
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« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2008, 03:00:43 PM »

Oh man I went to go listen to this and as soon as I started I realized I'd already read the text story, and within the last couple of months (this has happened to me once with Podcastle too).

Enjoyed the story very much. I would not be so swift to say just because it changes around perceptions means its intending to make any political point.  Rather, just to say, "What if?"

As a straight person it was an interesting experience to put myself in the protagonist's position and wonder how I'd think or behave. It makes me ask myself, what if I was brought up believing some fundimental aspect of myself was wrong and bad? I don't know how I'd react to that or even who I'd wind up being. Issues of identity and societal pressures. Interesting stuff IMHO.

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