Author Topic: EP172: Union Dues - Tabula Rasa  (Read 17754 times)

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EP172: Union Dues - Tabula Rasa

By Jeffrey R. DeRego.
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I raise my hand and she stops chattering. “Just tell me who you are and where I am.”

She freezes and blinks twice. “Tell you where you are? Cap, you’re home. This is the Cleveland Pyramid. I’m Sarah Shadow. You don’t recognize me?”

“That doesn’t mean anything to me!” I stand up. Frustration washes over me like heat from a blast furnace, and worse, my stomach is rumbling. “I woke up today. The first person I saw was you, but I’ve never seen you before in my life. I figured as long as I was in the hospital, or wherever, I’d start to remember, but it’s a blank. Where am I, what is this place, what are you people?” I point at her costume. “And that, what’s that, are you part of a circus act or something?”


Rated R. Contains profanity, sexual innuendo, and a bit of soap opera.


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Reply #1 on: August 23, 2008, 04:16:31 PM
As extreme as the previous Union Dues stories was, this one struck me as kind of bland.

I do like the underlying story for the series and I didn't mind the arc of this story. I did feel that the main character this time was poorly executed. I was disappointed that he began to demonstrate irrational anger but then it was suddenly gone, never to return.

To put a point on it: given the general bleakness of the UD-universe so far (at least on EP), I was put off by the happy ending.



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Reply #2 on: August 23, 2008, 05:43:27 PM
A great addition to the Union Dues world.  It's nice to know there is a hero out there free from the clutches and mind control of the Union.  And loved the tie-in with the Team Shikaragaki.

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Reply #3 on: August 24, 2008, 05:13:03 AM
This was a fun one. Id kind of like to hear more about the character in a future story.. how he's coping with regaining his identity, how much of his old jerkishness he fell back into, any close calls he has with being caught.



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Reply #4 on: August 24, 2008, 11:31:18 PM
Another good Union Dues story. 

The idea of identity is always a confusing one for superheroes anyway.  The Union Dues universe confused that more by having their people also as comic characters that they have to represent.  So on a good day, a member of the union is confused.
Take all that away and make them restart, they are pretty much screwed for trying to find themself again.

I liked how the memory loss was dealth with.  How he tried to act like his own self, and was frustrated to learn that he was a jackass.  I know I fear that I will wake up one day to find out everyone actually hates me.  Bring identity crisis into that, and you have a good reason to run.

Its good to have a story that has a happier ending to the others.  While i'm not sure it is totally happy, it shows the Ubion are not all powerful, what they do can be reversed and they manipilate a lot.

But still this threat of Antartica... I don't actually think anyone knows whats happens there, especially the heroes.  It is a threat to keep people in the company line.  Something may happen down there.... but I don't think its doom on the level they keept implying...

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Reply #5 on: August 24, 2008, 11:52:07 PM
Another good Union Dues story. 

The idea of identity is always a confusing one for superheroes anyway.  The Union Dues universe confused that more by having their people also as comic characters that they have to represent.  So on a good day, a member of the union is confused.
Take all that away and make them restart, they are pretty much screwed for trying to find themself again.

I liked how the memory loss was dealth with.  How he tried to act like his own self, and was frustrated to learn that he was a jackass.  I know I fear that I will wake up one day to find out everyone actually hates me.  Bring identity crisis into that, and you have a good reason to run.

Its good to have a story that has a happier ending to the others.  While i'm not sure it is totally happy, it shows the Ubion are not all powerful, what they do can be reversed and they manipilate a lot.

But still this threat of Antartica... I don't actually think anyone knows whats happens there, especially the heroes.  It is a threat to keep people in the company line.  Something may happen down there.... but I don't think its doom on the level they keept implying...

Listen to Off-White Lies, that one takes place, for a time, in the village.

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Reply #6 on: August 25, 2008, 03:54:50 AM
And loved the tie-in with the Team Shikaragaki.

puts a new spin on Tam Suji's bout, turns out it was thrown. we could have had two guys in gorilla suits with shattered jaws.



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Reply #7 on: August 25, 2008, 01:02:17 PM

That was an unusually upbeat ending for a Union Dues story; is Mr. Derego going soft on us? Maybe beginning to abandon the mission of doing for Super Hero stories what John Le Carre did for spy novels? :o

Seriously, I liked this one quite a bit, not least because we let the characters see some daylight.  The conundrum of, "What if I set out to discover my True Self -- and find out he's a jerk?" made a great focal point for the story as well.  I assume we are going to go someplace with Mindstorm in a future story as well; that seems like an interesting thread. 

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Reply #8 on: August 25, 2008, 01:09:00 PM
I missed the Tam Suji tie-in until Steve mentioned it at the end.  :-\

Another good addition to the UD series.

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Reply #9 on: August 25, 2008, 02:59:05 PM
  I'm always glad to see a Union Dues story come up, as I have yet to be dissapointed by one. This one seemed a little less action-packed than a lot of the others, and the hopeful ending was both odd and nice. As always, I continue to look forward to more UD stories.

  I've always found the concept of amnesia to be a bit of a moral dilemma. Can you truly hold someone responsible for something if they do not remember doing it? If the person being punished is essentially a different person than the one who commited the offense, is it really appropriate to hold them responsible?

  I still need to check out the Team Shikaragaki stories, whenever I'm at my computer at home, I forget about them with all of the other podcasts I listen to (especially with the glut of new content during the run-up to Playing For Keeps' release today).

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Reply #10 on: August 25, 2008, 03:27:22 PM
Normally union dues stories are not my favorites. I like them just fine- but they're a world of their own. Not.. sci-fi enough mayhap? I wish I knew. However, this one made me happy. I love the premise. I adored the tie in, I'd listned to the clone pod story just the day before listening to this one- so I caught the tie in right away!  I hope they made back the cash!

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Reply #11 on: August 25, 2008, 03:54:10 PM
I liked this one.  Couldn't really put my finger on why.  I guess because it wasn't depressing.

This would've been a perfect one for Ralph Walters to read.  Sorry, Steve, but your HUGE DUDE voice only works in small doses.

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Reply #12 on: August 25, 2008, 04:19:20 PM
I didn't really enjoy this one.  There were a lot of unaswered questions, like exactly how was the escape plan supposed to work, and how exactly does a huge 500+ lb guy "fit in"?  You'd think the Union would have heard about implanting RFID chips in their people, especially given how many of them seem to go rogue, or at the very least prove mentally unstable.



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Reply #13 on: August 25, 2008, 08:16:48 PM
I think this one hit me at that strange in-between land.  Maybe it was the theme of, "asshole super looses memory" or maybe it was the part where a woman is willing to copulate with someone she hates... maybe it was the fact that I, like yicheng, can't see how the Union doesn't have every super "chipped".

I wonder if the memories that show up at the end aren't really the person's original memories.

I did find the line, "no one cares about the guy under the costume."  Fitting given the premise that supers can be replaced without creating a new character.

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Reply #14 on: August 25, 2008, 10:32:28 PM
I think this one hit me at that strange in-between land.  Maybe it was the theme of, "asshole super looses memory" or maybe it was the part where a woman is willing to copulate with someone she hates... maybe it was the fact that I, like yicheng, can't see how the Union doesn't have every super "chipped".

I wonder if the memories that show up at the end aren't really the person's original memories.

I did find the line, "no one cares about the guy under the costume."  Fitting given the premise that supers can be replaced without creating a new character.

Cough Cough Green Lantern Cough Cough.

I liked it.

I think those of you that are seeing this as a 'light/bright future' story are only doing so because all of the other UD's are so, so very dark. He's constantly hiding, has a single friend, and seems to be barely getting by. So, better than being in the Union, but so are a lot of things.

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Reply #15 on: August 26, 2008, 12:29:51 AM
I think those of you that are seeing this as a 'light/bright future' story are only doing so because all of the other UD's are so, so very dark. He's constantly hiding, has a single friend, and seems to be barely getting by. So, better than being in the Union, but so are a lot of things.

  You are right in that this is only a light/bright future ending by UD standards, but that ending is not as bleak as it sounds. He actually has a friend, not a subordinate who hates his guts, but someone who hangs out with him because he enjoys his company. He may be barely getting by compared to his standard of living in the Union, but he's happy, and happiness can count for a lot. It's not just that his life is better than being in The Union, it's better than being hated and feared.

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Reply #16 on: August 26, 2008, 12:36:01 AM
Was okay, but frustrating on several points.  

First off, the "rules" of memory loss stories always strike me as a little odd.  He remembers what comic books are, but not the existence of the union?  Stuff like this always makes me wonder about the mechanics of the memory loss, over the story itself.  Not really something wrong with the story, mostly me.  :-)

Secondly, aren't supers a fairly rare resource?  You'd think the union would actually want to put some effort in, especially for someone who was a team leader (the union higher ups presumably like him, even if his team mates don't).  The union spends all this time tracking down the new superhumans, but apparently once they have you, you're not worth much effort.

Third, a telepath can do more with someone's head than the union can with their implanting?  Uhhh, I always presumed they had telepaths do those.  

Fourth, as someone said, they really should have trackers on these guys.  Plus, as noted, they have a bunch of telepaths around.  Finding out everything from those involved should be pretty easy.  I just have a hard time believing that he'd just be able to get away from an entire group of supers who basically have nothing better to do than track him down.

I don't know... maybe the Union Dues universe is just starting to loose it's appeal for me.  When I scratch the surface, there are just too many questions - the universe doesn't seem realistic on closer inspection.



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Reply #17 on: August 26, 2008, 02:07:38 AM
I don't know... maybe the Union Dues universe is just starting to loose it's appeal for me.  When I scratch the surface, there are just too many questions - the universe doesn't seem realistic on closer inspection.

To be fair, neither do most other "superhero" milieus, including the DC and Marvel universes. 

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Reply #18 on: August 26, 2008, 02:51:38 AM
I don't know... maybe the Union Dues universe is just starting to loose it's appeal for me.  When I scratch the surface, there are just too many questions - the universe doesn't seem realistic on closer inspection.

To be fair, neither do most other "superhero" milieus, including the DC and Marvel universes. 

They don't really try to.  They have Ambush Bug and the Impossible Man hopping around.  The Union Dues stories are founded on the idea of taking a realistic view on superpowers and the idea of superheroes.  Which has of course been done before.  The Wildcard series of novels, Rising Stars comic, even the Heroes TV show.  And (sorry Jeff) I think all those universes hit that mark better.  Of course, the Union Dues universe has it's own spin, the nature of the union itself, which is certainly interesting... there's just a lot of details that don't quite read right for me.



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Reply #19 on: August 26, 2008, 03:49:06 AM

A technical note on RFID "chipping." 

At the current state of the art, RFID is nearly useless in locating something over a wide area.  The radio signals generated by the RFID card are far too weak to carry more than about 50 meters, even from cards that supply their own power (and are therefore subject to "running down" their batteries) rather than depending on the magnetic field from the reader to generate a pulse of power via induction.  Range is further dramatically reduced if there's any sort of intervening stuff -- stuff like walls, metalized clothing, etc.

The ones implanted in dogs don't allow you to track down Fido by use an aircraft or satellite to hunt the radio pulse. Rather, they give organizations that care -- like ethical labs and shelters -- a way to extract ownership information by using a hand-held RFID reader to read a chip planted under the skin.  The only significant advantage the chip has over a plain old dog tag is that it can't easily fall off or be removed. 

So, I don't see planting an RFID chip in "supers" as being much help in locating runaways. 

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Reply #20 on: August 26, 2008, 01:37:40 PM
I really liked this one. It was fun, didn't take itself too serious and had an ending that, though had a few flaws, I could live with. This was my first dose of the Union series so I will listen to a few more based on this one.



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Reply #21 on: August 26, 2008, 03:46:04 PM
I always get excited when a new Union Dues story is posted.  They're my favorite set of stories on Escape Pod, and the ones that got me reading the forums.  As always, I enjoyed this one; each story fleshes out the universe a little more, and brings the Union into sharper relief.  And the cross-over with Team Shikaragaki was great; it helps explain why El Supremo (or whatever the wrestler's name was, I forget) turned out to be such a mensch.

Still, I confess I didn't enjoy it quite as much as I'd have hoped.  My frustration with the story was with what it did (or didn't do) with the issue of identity.  That's been a leitmotif of the series: how does wearing a costume (whether a superhero's outfit, a stripper's getup, or a gorilla suit) define your identity?  This started to probe a little deeper: whereas earlier stories have played the Union's mind control techniques imprinting against an individual's core identity, Captain Colossal's amnesia suggests that, once the Union is through with you, you have no identity other than that of your superhero persona.  The problem was with the mechanism of an amnesia story, and specifically amnesia as a chance for reinvention... that's sort of a cliche at this point, isn't it?  So I was a little disappointed by how it turned out.

That said, even a so-so Union Dues story still makes for a great listen!  And I'm eagerly awaiting the next one.



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Reply #22 on: August 26, 2008, 04:43:11 PM
This is probably in my top-three UD stories so far. I agree with Ocicat about the mechanics of the amnesia; forgetting about the Union and everything associated with it would be like forgetting the existence of Microsoft, or something. Hrm, I suppose that could be part of (or an odd side effect from) their implanting techniques? Seems implausible, but maybe.

And, yes, the Union could no doubt read Sarah's mind and find out exactly how she helped him, but how would that help them find the captain? She had no idea where he was going to go, and he didn't end up in the places she suggested, so the best they can manage is to punish her. With RFID chips, I suppose they could put readers down by various roads (no doubt the super strategists can narrow down the list) and see if any supers go by, but it doesn't seem like a very efficient method of locating people.

And I was excited to see the first tantalising hints of the world outside of America. I'm very interested to find out how supers are dealt with on a global scale. More cross-border shenanigans, please!

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Reply #23 on: August 27, 2008, 01:56:46 AM
I liked this one and thought the tie-in with the recent Clonepod UD story was a nice touch.   I guess my one nitpick with this one would be how a gigantic person could just slide in to normal society without anyone making a connection with the Union.  Great story, though.

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Reply #24 on: August 27, 2008, 02:14:40 PM
I dont have much to say about this one... basically it was better than some but still not very high on my EP list 

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Reply #25 on: August 27, 2008, 03:29:58 PM

A technical note on RFID "chipping." 

At the current state of the art [...]

1) this is only sort of true in "our" universe.  i.e. it is true for most commodity "RFID" products, but does not generalize to all possible similar technology.
2) even in our universe, vicinity RFID chips could be effective identifiers with concealed readers scattered around high traffic areas.
3) the UD universe has technology that we don't.



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Reply #26 on: August 27, 2008, 04:03:03 PM

A technical note on RFID "chipping." 

At the current state of the art [...]

1) this is only sort of true in "our" universe.  i.e. it is true for most commodity "RFID" products, but does not generalize to all possible similar technology.
2) even in our universe, vicinity RFID chips could be effective identifiers with concealed readers scattered around high traffic areas.
3) the UD universe has technology that we don't.

An example would be the Attendee MetaData project at the Last HOPE (not actually the last HOPE), though that was with powered RFID and in a contained area.

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Reply #27 on: August 27, 2008, 04:30:24 PM
I had already heard the Clonepod Episode, and I think that, for me, made the ending that much more enjoyable.

Overall, a decent story. Nothing unexpected for me, but it wasn't boring.

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Reply #28 on: August 28, 2008, 04:06:01 PM
A technical note on RFID "chipping." 
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Body implanted chips would, of course, be limited in range due to power issues.  That should have still give the Union the capability to track the characters inside and immediately around the Pyramid, and possibly track things like heart-rate and blood sugar level.  For an organization that has no qualms about kidnapping children and brainwashing their members, I wouldn't think a thing like implanting a chip on the base of the skull (or in the hip bone) would be beyond them. 

And remember that this is a world where Super-Geniuses walk around with strength-enhanced body armor.  I would think that the Union would have advanced technologies (nanotech, robotics, video facial recognition -- can see through disguises) at their disposal.



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Reply #29 on: August 29, 2008, 12:49:14 AM

A technical note on RFID "chipping." 

At the current state of the art [...]

1) this is only sort of true in "our" universe.  i.e. it is true for most commodity "RFID" products, but does not generalize to all possible similar technology.
2) even in our universe, vicinity RFID chips could be effective identifiers with concealed readers scattered around high traffic areas.
3) the UD universe has technology that we don't.


All true, but the author has not indicated the UD universe is substantively different in this respect, so the default assumption is that it's substantially similar to ours.  I was writing in response to the question of "Why doesn't the Union plant tracking chips in the supers?" implied in several posts, and my proposed explanation is that this isn't and oversight on the part of the Union (or by extension, the author), but that an RFID implant wouldn't make a very effective wide-area locator. 

It wouldn't strain my credulity any if, in the next story, the Union unvieled such technology (assuming a satisfactory explanation for why it hadn't been used so far were offered), I'm just saying that it's technically sensible for the author not to invoke such technology.

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Reply #30 on: August 29, 2008, 08:53:47 PM
I don't think the union needs RFID to find this guy.  If he keeps winning every fight he has at the carnival, that would become rather suspicious.  I expect he would have to lose once in a while not to be discovered.  Of course, that could lead to a sequel, running from the Union.  Maybe he could even run into the girl who is a plant for the Union, the one pretending to be a hooker.  Thats whats great about the Union Dues world, there are so many places an imagination can go into.  I'm beginning to want to see a novelization of the world, where there actually are characters that change and a continuing plot.  Its strange to feel you are at square one in each story, though it works really well in the short story format.



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Reply #31 on: September 10, 2008, 10:02:54 AM
I guess my one nitpick with this one would be how a gigantic person could just slide in to normal society without anyone making a connection with the Union.

Was he stuck at one size, or was he able to change size, if not, how tall was he?

I think I liked this story to some of the more recent 'Union Dues' tales precisely because it offers some hope that the Union isn't inescapable. I'd be interested to see a story that tries to put the Union in a good light, not some Pravda-propaganda piece but perhaps one in which perhaps some employee does what the can to manipulate things so the Heroes don't get shafted continually.



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Reply #32 on: June 29, 2010, 05:36:53 PM
This was my least favorite of the Union Dues stories.  I really like a new story in a series to illuminate some previously unforeseen part of the universe, to expand my understanding of that world, to introduce new elements/characters that will leave me hungry for the next installment but this one didn't cover any new ground other than the fact that a super is sometimes replaced by just recruiting someone knew and putting them in the same costume.

The story itself, even regardless of whether it illuminated the Union Dues world, didn't do much for me.  I didn't find any of the characters particularly sympathetic.  It's hard to find something original in an amnesia story and this one didn't take it anywhere unexpected.

Since the Union Dues stories tend not to have much on-screen action, they really need to be carried by their characters and ideas, and this one wasn't strong enough in either respect.

That's not to say that it wasn't an okay story in its own right, but since Union Dues have been published here so many times, it raises the bar.