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Raving_Lunatic
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« on: November 12, 2008, 03:57:23 PM »

Hi everyone,

This is a game we play on fan forums for certain bands/singers, and I don't see why it shouldn't work here, if anyone is game.

Each book from a list of 20 top SF books (gained from the internet and not my actual opinion) begins with 5 points. Each turn you have to take one point from one book and add it onto another.

For example:

Book A (5)
Book B (5)

Next Poster:

Book A (4) -1
Book B (6) +1

If there's any book you think should be on the list, feel free to add it- this is a rough list.

And now:

Orson Scott Card Ender's Game  (5)     
Frank Herbert Dune  (5)     
Isaac Asimov Foundation  (5)   
Douglas Adams Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy  (5)   
George Orwell 1984  (5)
Robert A Heinlein Stranger in a Strange Land     (5)
Ray Bradbury Fahrenheit 451      (5)
Arthur C Clarke 2001: A Space Odyssey    (5) 
Isaac Asimov I, Robot     (5)
William Gibson Neuromancer      (5)
Robert A Heinlein Starship Troopers      (5)
Philip K Dick Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?    (5) 
Larry Niven Ringworld      (5)
Aldous Huxley Brave New World     (5)
H G Wells The Time Machine    (5)
Arthur C Clarke Rendezvous With Rama    (5) 
Robert A Heinlein The Moon is a Harsh Mistress   (5)
H G Wells The War of the Worlds   (5)   
Arthur C Clarke Childhood's End     (5)
Dan Simmons Hyperion    (5)
Ray Bradbury The Martian Chronicles   (5)   
Joe Haldeman The Forever War   (5)   
Neal Stephenson Snow Crash    (5)
Kurt Vonnegut Slaughterhouse Five   (5) 
Daniel Keys- Flowers For Algernon (5)
Ursula K Le Guin The Left Hand of Darkness   (5)
Orson Scott Card Speaker for the Dead   (5) 
Philip K Dick The Man in the High Castle  (5)
Isaac Asimov The Caves of Steel  (5)
Frederik Pohl Gateway  (5)

If this gets enough interest, we may eventually narrow it down to one book.
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2008, 04:02:32 PM »

Douglas Adams Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy  (6)    +1
Neal Stephenson Snow Crash    (4) -1


Did I get it right?
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2008, 04:07:11 PM »

Robert A Heinlein Stranger in a Strange Land     (6)  +1
Ursula K Le Guin The Left Hand of Darkness   (4)      -1
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2008, 04:07:50 PM »

Cyteen by C.J. Cherryh.  It won a Hugo award.

And it's the best SF novel ever written.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2008, 04:52:15 PM »

Neal Stephenson Snow Crash    (3) -1
William Gibson Neuromancer      (6) +1

Ursula K Le Guin The Left Hand of Darkness   (3) -1
Philip K Dick The Man in the High Castle  (6) +1
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2008, 05:08:18 PM »

Douglas Adams Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy  (7) +1

H G Wells The Time Machine    (4) -1

the main list should keep a daily update, i could help if help is wanted
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I'd like to hear my options, so I could weigh them, what do you say?
Five pounds?  Six pounds? Seven pounds?
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2008, 05:14:08 PM »

If a book hits 0, is it gone?
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2008, 05:16:38 PM »

Douglas Adams Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy  (8 ) +1
Neal Stephenson Snow Crash    (4) +1
William Gibson Neuromancer      (7) +1
Philip K Dick The Man in the High Castle  (7) +1
Frank Herbert Dune  (6) +1
Isaac Asimov Foundation  (6) +1
George Orwell 1984  (6) +1
Arthur C Clarke 2001: A Space Odyssey    (6)  +1
Philip K Dick Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?    (6)  +1



I'll help with the daily updates as well.

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2008, 05:23:30 PM »

Douglas Adams Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy  (8 ) +1
Neal Stephenson Snow Crash    (4) +1
William Gibson Neuromancer      (7) +1
Philip K Dick The Man in the High Castle  (7) +1
Frank Herbert Dune  (6) +1
Isaac Asimov Foundation  (6) +1
George Orwell 1984  (6) +1
Arthur C Clarke 2001: A Space Odyssey    (6)  +1
Philip K Dick Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?    (6)  +1



I'll help with the daily updates as well.



You forgot to list which ones you're subtracting from.  (If I understand the game)
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2008, 05:54:28 PM »

Douglas Adams Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy  (8 ) +1
Neal Stephenson Snow Crash    (4) +1
William Gibson Neuromancer      (7) +1
Philip K Dick The Man in the High Castle  (7) +1
Frank Herbert Dune  (6) +1
Isaac Asimov Foundation  (6) +1
George Orwell 1984  (6) +1
Arthur C Clarke 2001: A Space Odyssey    (6)  +1
Philip K Dick Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?    (6)  +1



I'll help with the daily updates as well.



You forgot to list which ones you're subtracting from.  (If I understand the game)
yea i did the same thing at first, Heradel, then realized what you gotta do.
for every point you add to one book, you have to subtract from another book.  so in giving Hitchhiker's Guide a point, you have to take that point from some other book...
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Five pounds?  Six pounds? Seven pounds?
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2008, 07:17:06 PM »

Is it one plus and one minus per day?  Someone should have explained.  Maybe provided a link.




::thud::

Ok, I deserved that chair shot.   Grin
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2008, 10:40:07 PM »

Here's the list as it stands now:

Orson Scott Card Ender's Game  (5)     
Frank Herbert Dune  (5)     
Isaac Asimov Foundation  (5)   
Douglas Adams Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy  (7)   
George Orwell 1984  (5)
Robert A Heinlein Stranger in a Strange Land     (6)
Ray Bradbury Fahrenheit 451      (5)
Arthur C Clarke 2001: A Space Odyssey    (5)
Isaac Asimov I, Robot     (5)
William Gibson Neuromancer      (6)
Robert A Heinlein Starship Troopers      (5)
Philip K Dick Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?    (5)
Larry Niven Ringworld      (5)
Aldous Huxley Brave New World     (5)
H G Wells The Time Machine    (4)
Arthur C Clarke Rendezvous With Rama    (5)
Robert A Heinlein The Moon is a Harsh Mistress   (5)
H G Wells The War of the Worlds   (5)   
Arthur C Clarke Childhood's End     (5)
Dan Simmons Hyperion    (5)
Ray Bradbury The Martian Chronicles   (5)   
Joe Haldeman The Forever War   (5)   
Neal Stephenson Snow Crash    (3)
Kurt Vonnegut Slaughterhouse Five   (5)
Daniel Keys Flowers For Algernon (5)
Ursula K Le Guin The Left Hand of Darkness   (4)
Orson Scott Card Speaker for the Dead   (5)
Philip K Dick The Man in the High Castle  (6)
Isaac Asimov The Caves of Steel  (5)
Frederik Pohl Gateway  (5)
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (5) (just added)


Okay, to the above I change the following:

Orson Scott Card Ender's Game (4) -1 
Isaac Asimov Foundation (4) -1
George Orwell 1984 (4) -1
Robert A Heinlein Stranger in a Strange Land (5) -1
Ray Bradbury Fahrenheit 451 (4) -1
Arthur C Clarke 2001: A Space Odyssey (4) -1
Isaac Asimov I, Robot (4) -1
Robert A Heinlein Starship Troopers (4) -1
H G Wells The Time Machine (4) -1
Arthur C Clarke Rendezvous With Rama (4) -1
Robert A Heinlein The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (4) -1
Ray Bradbury The Martian Chronicles   (4) -1
Kurt Vonnegut Slaughterhouse Five   (4) -1
Ursula K Le Guin The Left Hand of Darkness   (3) -1
Orson Scott Card Speaker for the Dead   (4) -1

C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (20) +15

(and I think I showed some restraint, taking down only the fifteen above listed. Wink For one thing, I omitted the ones I haven't read as well as the ones I really really liked. )
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2008, 10:47:29 PM »

Hey, you cheated Stranger in a Strange Land!
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2008, 11:31:09 PM »

hmmm well... i think you can only add one point to a book per turn dude...
but if not...
well...

C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (20) -14
Douglas Adams Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy  (21) +14

ha!
but i think its only one point per book.... Raving_Lunatic, care to clarify?
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2008, 12:50:57 AM »

hmmm well... i think you can only add one point to a book per turn dude...
but if not...
well...

C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (20) -14
Douglas Adams Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy  (21) +14

ha!
but i think its only one point per book.... Raving_Lunatic, care to clarify?

For each book I lowered the score of, I took only one point.  Then I gave all the deducted points to Cyteen.  I could have done it turn-by-turn for each book, but it was much more efficient the way I did it.

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Okay, here it is spelled out in full.  DKT took two turns in a single post, so there's precedent.

Orson Scott Card Ender's Game (4) -1
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (6) +1

Isaac Asimov Foundation (4) -1
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (7) +1

George Orwell 1984 (4) -1
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (Cool +1

Robert A Heinlein Stranger in a Strange Land (5) -1
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (9) +1

Ray Bradbury Fahrenheit 451 (4) -1
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (10) +1

Arthur C Clarke 2001: A Space Odyssey (4) -1
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (11) +1

Isaac Asimov I, Robot (4) -1
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (12) +1

Robert A Heinlein Starship Troopers (4) -1
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (13) +1

H G Wells The Time Machine (4) -1
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (14) +1

Arthur C Clarke Rendezvous With Rama (4) -1
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (15) +1

Robert A Heinlein The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (4) -1
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (16) +1

Ray Bradbury The Martian Chronicles   (4) -1
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (17) +1

Kurt Vonnegut Slaughterhouse Five   (4) -1
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (18) +1

Ursula K Le Guin The Left Hand of Darkness   (3) -1
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (19) +1

Orson Scott Card Speaker for the Dead   (4) -1
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (20) +15

And it took a great deal of restraint to not take all of Rendezvous with Rama's points at one go  Wink
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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2008, 12:53:16 AM »

Hey, you cheated Stranger in a Strange Land!

Fixed.  I tried to be accurate but somehow missed that one.  And obviously I didn't count Heradel's score-uppage because the corresponding deductions weren't specified.
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2008, 01:02:14 AM »

Douglas Adams Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy  (8 ) +1
Neal Stephenson Snow Crash    (4) +1
William Gibson Neuromancer      (7) +1
Philip K Dick The Man in the High Castle  (7) +1
Frank Herbert Dune  (6) +1
Isaac Asimov Foundation  (6) +1
George Orwell 1984  (6) +1
Arthur C Clarke 2001: A Space Odyssey    (6)  +1
Philip K Dick Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?    (6)  +1



I'll help with the daily updates as well.



You forgot to list which ones you're subtracting from.  (If I understand the game)
yea i did the same thing at first, Heradel, then realized what you gotta do.
for every point you add to one book, you have to subtract from another book.  so in giving Hitchhiker's Guide a point, you have to take that point from some other book...

Oh, ok, I didn't realize it was a closed system. I'll fix it in the morning.
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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2008, 11:58:02 AM »

Wow. What a huge response in such a short time... I guess it was the title.

You can only subtract one point from one book and add one point to another in the original game- you can't just deduct points from all of them.You can't post twice in a row either, but you can post twice in a day providing you don't post twice in a row. Once a book has zero points, it is OUT and cannot be returned.

Also, sorry if this isn't clear, but I reckon it is best to copy and paste the list in full from the previous poster and then highlight the books you changed, so that everyone knows what is going on.

With that little clarification, I'll type the full list as it stands, with unintentional rule-breaks removed.
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2008, 12:02:09 PM »

Orson Scott Card Ender's Game  (5)     
Frank Herbert Dune  (5)     
Isaac Asimov Foundation  (5)   
Douglas Adams Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy  (7)   
George Orwell 1984  (5)
Robert A Heinlein Stranger in a Strange Land     (6)
Ray Bradbury Fahrenheit 451      (5)
Arthur C Clarke 2001: A Space Odyssey    (5)
Isaac Asimov I, Robot     (5)
William Gibson Neuromancer      (6)
Robert A Heinlein Starship Troopers      (5)
Philip K Dick Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?    (5)
Larry Niven Ringworld      (5)
Aldous Huxley Brave New World     (5)
H G Wells The Time Machine    (4)
Arthur C Clarke Rendezvous With Rama    (5)
Robert A Heinlein The Moon is a Harsh Mistress   (5)
H G Wells The War of the Worlds   (5)   
Arthur C Clarke Childhood's End     (5)
Dan Simmons Hyperion    (4)
Ray Bradbury The Martian Chronicles   (5)   
Joe Haldeman The Forever War   (5)   
Neal Stephenson Snow Crash    (3)
Kurt Vonnegut Slaughterhouse Five   (5)
Daniel Keys Flowers For Algernon (5)
Ursula K Le Guin The Left Hand of Darkness   (4)
Orson Scott Card Speaker for the Dead   (5)
Philip K Dick The Man in the High Castle  (6)
Isaac Asimov The Caves of Steel  (5)
Frederik Pohl Gateway  (5)
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (6)

now I put my changes in bold

Orson Scott Card Ender's Game  (5)     
Frank Herbert Dune  (5)     
Isaac Asimov Foundation  (5)   
Douglas Adams Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy  (7)   
George Orwell 1984  (5)
Robert A Heinlein Stranger in a Strange Land     (6)
Ray Bradbury Fahrenheit 451      (5)
Arthur C Clarke 2001: A Space Odyssey    (5)
Isaac Asimov I, Robot     (5)
William Gibson Neuromancer      (6)
Robert A Heinlein Starship Troopers      (5)
Philip K Dick Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?    (5)
Larry Niven Ringworld      (5)
Aldous Huxley Brave New World     (6) +1
H G Wells The Time Machine    (4)
Arthur C Clarke Rendezvous With Rama    (5)
Robert A Heinlein The Moon is a Harsh Mistress   (5)
H G Wells The War of the Worlds   (5)   
Arthur C Clarke Childhood's End     (5)
Dan Simmons Hyperion    (4)
Ray Bradbury The Martian Chronicles   (5)   
Joe Haldeman The Forever War   (5)   
Neal Stephenson Snow Crash    (3)
Kurt Vonnegut Slaughterhouse Five   (5)
Daniel Keys Flowers For Algernon (5)
Ursula K Le Guin The Left Hand of Darkness   (3)-1
Orson Scott Card Speaker for the Dead   (5)
Philip K Dick The Man in the High Castle  (6)
Isaac Asimov The Caves of Steel  (5)
Frederik Pohl Gateway  (5)
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (6)

Hope this helps Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2008, 12:06:54 PM »

Orson Scott Card Ender's Game  (5)     
Frank Herbert Dune  (5)     
Isaac Asimov Foundation  (5)   
Douglas Adams Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy  (7)   
George Orwell 1984  (5)
Robert A Heinlein Stranger in a Strange Land     (6)
Ray Bradbury Fahrenheit 451      (5)
Arthur C Clarke 2001: A Space Odyssey    (5)
Isaac Asimov I, Robot     (5)
William Gibson Neuromancer      (6)
Robert A Heinlein Starship Troopers      (5)
Philip K Dick Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?    (5)
Larry Niven Ringworld      (5)
Aldous Huxley Brave New World     (5)
H G Wells The Time Machine    (4)
Arthur C Clarke Rendezvous With Rama    (5)
Robert A Heinlein The Moon is a Harsh Mistress   (5)
H G Wells The War of the Worlds   (5)   
Arthur C Clarke Childhood's End     (5)
Dan Simmons Hyperion    (4)
Ray Bradbury The Martian Chronicles   (5)   
Joe Haldeman The Forever War   (5)   
Neal Stephenson Snow Crash    (3)
Kurt Vonnegut Slaughterhouse Five   (5)
Daniel Keys Flowers For Algernon (5)
Ursula K Le Guin The Left Hand of Darkness   (4)
Orson Scott Card Speaker for the Dead   (5)
Philip K Dick The Man in the High Castle  (6)
Isaac Asimov The Caves of Steel  (5)
Frederik Pohl Gateway  (5)
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (6)

my changes

Orson Scott Card Ender's Game  (5)     
Frank Herbert Dune  (5)     
Isaac Asimov Foundation  (5)   
Douglas Adams Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy  (7)   
George Orwell 1984  (5)
Robert A Heinlein Stranger in a Strange Land     (6)
Ray Bradbury Fahrenheit 451      (5)
Arthur C Clarke 2001: A Space Odyssey    (5)
Isaac Asimov I, Robot     (5)
William Gibson Neuromancer      (6)
Robert A Heinlein Starship Troopers      (5) + 1
Philip K Dick Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?    (5)
Larry Niven Ringworld      (5)
Aldous Huxley Brave New World     (6) +1
H G Wells The Time Machine    (4)
Arthur C Clarke Rendezvous With Rama    (5)
Robert A Heinlein The Moon is a Harsh Mistress   (5)
H G Wells The War of the Worlds   (5)   
Arthur C Clarke Childhood's End     (5)
Dan Simmons Hyperion    (4)
Ray Bradbury The Martian Chronicles   (5)   
Joe Haldeman The Forever War   (5)   
Neal Stephenson Snow Crash    (3)
Kurt Vonnegut Slaughterhouse Five   (5)
Daniel Keys Flowers For Algernon (5)
Ursula K Le Guin The Left Hand of Darkness   (3)-1
Orson Scott Card Speaker for the Dead   (5)
Philip K Dick The Man in the High Castle  (6)
Isaac Asimov The Caves of Steel  (5)
Frederik Pohl Gateway  (5)
C.J. Cherryh Cyteen (6) -1

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