Author Topic: PC043: Sweet, Savage Sorcerer  (Read 28721 times)

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Reply #25 on: March 13, 2009, 11:30:29 AM
  Sexxxy vampires; Harry Potter and the Series of Knockoffs; oh-so-gritty dark fantasy, etc. 


I always thought Buffy was vampire satire. There's also a movie coming out soon called "Lesbian Vampire Killers" - very Shaun of the Dead style.

Hmm, Buffy had satirical elements (e.g., jocks turning into zombies), but not a lot of parody that I can remember.  What I'm thinking of is something written in the style of Anne Rice or the Twilight books or whatshername, Anita Blake, making fun of the genre.  Maybe there's vampire parody out there (I'd be surprised if there isn't), but I haven't seen it.



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Reply #26 on: March 13, 2009, 01:58:38 PM
I thought this was hilarious for most of the story.  It caught me off guard as the last few stories have been pretty serious on PC.  But, this got all the tropes of fantasy and romance novels right...  Not that I've read a romance novel, just the back jacket of my wife's novels.  Really. :-)

I have to admit I wasn't sure at first, which is why I loved it so much.  You hear these over-wrought set pieces so often that you don't realize how much a part of standard fantasy they are.  But the "Golden Arches at the White Castle"  and a unicorn named "Thunder Wind" clued me in.

I'm glad the story was short though.  The sexual innuendo was humorous at first, but quickly got long in the tooth.  One of the best parts was that this is a wizard, who happens to have a manly golden broad chest.  Seriously, I don't think reading books builds much muscle and keeping to a dark tower endows one with a tan.  Maybe using a little magical "enhancements"?  One little blue pill will do ya.



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Reply #27 on: March 13, 2009, 03:40:05 PM
Wow, I am so alone with my opinion.

I absolutely loved this!  I laughed through nearly all of it, but especially the ending. 

Naw, I'm with you, too.  There are a few of us dissenters who enjoyed it.

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Reply #28 on: March 13, 2009, 06:25:29 PM
When Rachel said where this was first published, I knew it was satire because I have that book. (Haven't read it, though.) However, I haven't ever really felt moved toward good or bad by any of the (admittedly-limited) Esther Friesner I've read.

The satire was WAY too over the top; it passed satire, paused at parody, and moved into the 1990s equivalent of elves-as-written-by-the-people-who-would-eventually-invent-lolcats. I kept waiting for it to get interesting and it never really did. Then it became PG-13 (all the sex references), but in a teen-comedy fashion that has been done better in just about every teen comedy.

I appreciate that the editors may have enjoyed this when it was released -- and in 1990, my sense of humor was just about right to appreciate this story (of course, I was 12 at the time) -- but it hasn't held up over the years.

As for the reading, Rachel did a good job, but I don't know what happened in her recent move to turn her microphone (or sound card) into what it's become. The good reading was tarnished by the abominable quality of the audio file, made all the more noticeable when Ann came in to do the feedback, advertisement, and administrivia. Perhaps the good microphone/computer combination could be unpacked before the next time Rachel reads a story?

Overall, I did not enjoy this episode. Even the quote at the end seemed like they were stretching to find something that fit.

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Reply #29 on: March 14, 2009, 03:46:49 AM
I must admit that the reading was well done. Rachel managed to convey the ironey nessesary. just- ick. I swore, somewhere in my reading and writing that the next heaving bousum I encountered would be skipped altoghether.
I like them in person, not so much in story lines.

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Reply #30 on: March 14, 2009, 03:52:54 AM
I got to the 3 minute mark and gave up.  I read the comments here, and I'm pretty much on board with most of the negative comments.



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Reply #31 on: March 15, 2009, 04:37:05 AM
Je. Sus. Fu. King. Christ.

This is the worst Podcastle ever. It's the only one I gave up on a few minutes in and just let it play while I thought about other things.

I get that it was a parody...but perhaps it imitated what it was parodying a little too well.  And describing everything with sexual innuendo? It was cute. Twice.  By the time it had happened 15 times (somewhere in the second paragraph), it had lost me.

Next time you want to torture us, Podcastle, why not just include 15 minutes of someone screaming, or fingernails on a blackboard?

Egad.

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Reply #32 on: March 15, 2009, 02:26:53 PM
I must agree with the majority, elf porn at it's worst.  I fully expected batteries to fall out of the sword hilt when it became flacid.  Although it was a parody piece, the reading did not have to belabor the point.  Maybe with a deadpan delivery it might have worked, doubtfull, but maybe.   I think the story could be boiled down to it essence.

Boy meets girl.  Boy rapes girl.  Girl likes it.  The world is better for it. 

This is bad even for a parody of a bodce ripper.



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Reply #33 on: March 16, 2009, 08:41:45 PM
Terrible. Absolutely terrible. This story completely fails to show how bad fantasy can be in the hands of someone with more enthusiasm than skill, but how bad parody can be in the hands of someone setting out to be clever rather than humorous. Yes, there's bad fantasy out there, but bad fantasy is miles better than a joke that isn't funny. It's rather like existenz where, to defend the story, you have to agree that the plot is linear and the characters one-dimensional but then try and force your opponent to believe that that was the desired respect and so it's failures are actually it's successes. This is much the same, just because it's supposed to be a parody that doesn't make it good.

So far elf month is 0 out of 2 for me. Surely there's good stories about elves out there? Or, failing that, monkeys. Everyone loves monkeys right?



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Reply #34 on: March 16, 2009, 11:25:15 PM
Or, perhaps Elf month seeks to ruin Elves for the rest of us?

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Reply #35 on: March 17, 2009, 04:49:06 PM
Harumph! Harumph, and Harumph again!
 >:(

Sorry. I mean, I know it's a satire, and God and Goddess alike know that I've read enough bad fantasy to know that bad fantasy SHOULD be skewed. But as an old-school Tolkien Geek (as in, I liked him before he was cool), I've often been shunted to the bottom of the Geek Hierarchy Ladder, and so I'm very sensitive when my beloved trope is ablotted.

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Reply #36 on: March 17, 2009, 06:36:52 PM
Can we be clear about one thing?  Whatever one's judgment on the merits of this story, it's parody, not satire. 

... sorry, I just couldn't restrain myself.  But there is a real difference between the two.



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Reply #37 on: March 17, 2009, 06:42:43 PM
Unfortunately, it contained a parody error.

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Reply #38 on: March 17, 2009, 06:51:25 PM
I've already read The Eye of Argon, I really didn't need this.  The Eye of Argon is far funnier, even though (or because) it was probably a serious attempt and not just a parody. 

This did get a few chuckles out of me, granted.  But mostly I was just waiting for the twist or pull-back where the author of this tripe became the main character in a *real* story.

Oh well.



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Reply #39 on: March 17, 2009, 06:51:55 PM

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Reply #40 on: March 17, 2009, 08:56:16 PM
Enough please, no more attempts at making everyone like elves... I liked them at the start and this is doing nothing to encourage me to do anything other than stop listening to PC until next month, just miss the next few and do something, anything other than listen to any more drivel like this.  >:( >:( >:(

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Reply #41 on: March 18, 2009, 08:05:55 AM
I find it hard to believe that so many listeners failed to identify the humourous intent in this story - especially with Rachel hamming up the reading at every heaving breast and cerulean eye. Even the intro carefully signalled Esther Friesner as a well-known writer of humourous fantasy. Perhaps some people were so distracted by the persistent mispronunciation of her name as “Freisner” that they failed to spot the clue?

As for the story - Well it had some good lines, but it was pretty heavy-handed and I’m still waiting for the punchline. And even funny stories should have a plot.



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Reply #42 on: March 18, 2009, 09:20:50 AM
I find it hard to believe that so many listeners failed to identify the humourous intent in this story -

I don't think they did, I certainly identified the humorous intent, I just didn't actually find it humorous.



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Reply #43 on: March 18, 2009, 01:55:27 PM
I find it hard to believe that so many listeners failed to identify the humourous intent in this story

As Loz said, we identified it. It was hard not to. I mean, when someone is repeatedly clubbing you over the head with a blunt instrument, it doesn't take but 8 or 9 repetitions before you say, "Gee. I think someone is clubbing me over the head with a blunt instrument!"

I think people just, you know...didn't like the story.  At least, for me, that was the problem.

Perhaps in print, it was better. But in audio format, the heavy-handedness of the parody and the over-the-top-ness of the language was brought too much into the foreground and not left for the reader to interpret.

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Reply #44 on: March 18, 2009, 02:17:09 PM
I find it hard to believe that so many listeners failed to identify the humourous intent in this story -

I don't think they did, I certainly identified the humorous intent, I just didn't actually find it humorous.

I'm not saying everybody failed to identify the humourous intent, but read this forum thread and the blog discussion and it's obvious that a fair few people didn't get the point at all. For what it's worth I totally agree with you that the humour fell very flat indeed.



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Reply #45 on: March 18, 2009, 03:32:19 PM
I find it hard to believe that so many listeners failed to identify the humourous intent in this story -

I was aware going into them that Friday, Napoleon Dynamite, and Borat were intended to be comedies.  I just didn't find them funny.

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Reply #46 on: March 18, 2009, 04:28:57 PM
I find it hard to believe that so many listeners failed to identify the humourous intent in this story -

I was aware going into them that Friday, Napoleon Dynamite, and Borat were intended to be comedies.  I just didn't find them funny.

Not all funny things are funny to all people. I enjoyed the latter two, though I didn't think either was particularly great.

I think this story's problem is one of expectations — I, because of my moderating, knew it was a parody, and from it's length not to expect anything too long or complex (not that it can't be done in that length). I laughed and overall liked it, but I wasn't expecting a twist or a breaking of the fourth wall. Maybe I'm easier to please slash have lower standards, but I listened to it while cooking and didn't feel cheated of my time.

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Reply #47 on: March 19, 2009, 07:31:50 AM
Unfortunately, it contained a parody error.

That was funnier than the story.



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Reply #48 on: March 19, 2009, 12:57:54 PM
I find it hard to believe that so many listeners failed to identify the humourous intent in this story -

I don't think they did, I certainly identified the humorous intent, I just didn't actually find it humorous.

I'm right there with you on that one.

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Reply #49 on: March 20, 2009, 06:55:55 PM
I didn't say I hated it.

I said I felt like I got Rick Rolled.


I thought I was going to get a story about elves and instead got a block of cheese.