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Reply #60 on: February 05, 2010, 03:02:53 PM
I didn't like this story.  I may be a dumb hetero, but having unprotected sex (anal no less) with someone you just met is just called being stupid.  I kept on waiting for Tio Gilberto (or someone) to slap him upside the head ask him what the hell he was thinking.  I also thought it was also weird that none of characters thought twice about the ghosts but yet the boyfriend apparently didn't believe in them.  Nor did it seem like there was ever a good explanation for why Gilberto almost never left the house.  I mean what does he do for a living and how does he buy groceries?  Is this typical of magical realism stories for the plot to be inexplicable?



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Reply #61 on: February 05, 2010, 06:31:57 PM
I also thought it was also weird that none of characters thought twice about the ghosts but yet the boyfriend apparently didn't believe in them. 

There weren't that many characters in the story.. I thought only the one guy and his uncle believed in the ghosts, which they should since they live with them.

I found it believeable that they'd believe in the ghosts and this one random guy wouldn't.



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Reply #62 on: February 06, 2010, 04:05:58 AM
Nor did it seem like there was ever a good explanation for why Gilberto almost never left the house. 

I think it would be difficult to deal with 27 ghosts outside the house.

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Reply #63 on: February 20, 2010, 11:43:08 PM
As to the latency period of HIV, that comes after an acute infection within a couple weeks of first exposure.  The author didn't get anything wrong here, medically speaking. 

And the relationship with Kaspar seemed headed in that borderline abusive direction to me from not too far in.  I don't know if it was the dialogue or the getting upset about the ghosts or what, but I wasn't at all surprised by how things ended, I had been expecting it.  It was very well foreshadowed I thought, which I attribute to the author's great ability for awkward dialogue.

Anyway, I really liked this story, it was too sad to be a favorite, but it was very good.



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Reply #64 on: February 22, 2010, 08:55:04 AM
I understand this might be my stretching a point a little, alI listened to this as I fell asleep, but I interpreted the uncle as a carer/nurse for men who had already contracted HIV. The reason they're "invisible" to the protagonist was because, by his own admission, he was there for laughs and hook-ups...

Maybe I'm seeing more metaphor here than there is...?

If you interpret that way, then it isn't a fantasy story and doesn't belong on PodCastle.

Can we please stop with the "if there are not clearly dragons and wizards then it does not belong on PodCastle" line of reasoning? There will be fantasy stories that could swing both ways, and they belong on PodCastle.

Sorry to bring this up again, but I, for one, didn't take Steph's comment that way at all.  I felt he was saying that if you don't see the ghosts as truly ghosts but as metaphors, then the story wouldn't be a fantasy story, and therefore wouldn't belong on PodCastle.  He's not saying this story ISN'T a fantasy story, just that it WOULDN'T be if you took the ghosts out.

Then enlighten me; I'm listening: without ghosts, how would this qualify as a fantasy story?

And I think this proves my point.




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Reply #65 on: February 22, 2010, 02:46:45 PM
Can we please stop with the "if there are not clearly dragons and wizards then it does not belong on PodCastle" line of reasoning? There will be fantasy stories that could swing both ways, and they belong on PodCastle.

Sorry to bring this up again, but I, for one, didn't take Steph's comment that way at all.  I felt he was saying that if you don't see the ghosts as truly ghosts but as metaphors, then the story wouldn't be a fantasy story, and therefore wouldn't belong on PodCastle.  He's not saying this story ISN'T a fantasy story, just that it WOULDN'T be if you took the ghosts out.

Thank you.  At least somebody gets me, a little bit.  :)

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Reply #66 on: February 22, 2010, 03:12:10 PM
I understand this might be my stretching a point a little, alI listened to this as I fell asleep, but I interpreted the uncle as a carer/nurse for men who had already contracted HIV. The reason they're "invisible" to the protagonist was because, by his own admission, he was there for laughs and hook-ups...

Maybe I'm seeing more metaphor here than there is...?

If you interpret that way, then it isn't a fantasy story and doesn't belong on PodCastle.

Can we please stop with the "if there are not clearly dragons and wizards then it does not belong on PodCastle" line of reasoning? There will be fantasy stories that could swing both ways, and they belong on PodCastle.

Sorry to bring this up again, but I, for one, didn't take Steph's comment that way at all.  I felt he was saying that if you don't see the ghosts as truly ghosts but as metaphors, then the story wouldn't be a fantasy story, and therefore wouldn't belong on PodCastle.  He's not saying this story ISN'T a fantasy story, just that it WOULDN'T be if you took the ghosts out.

Then enlighten me; I'm listening: without ghosts, how would this qualify as a fantasy story?

And I think this proves my point.

I don't disagree on the point of no ghosts means that it's probably not fantasy.  Like many good stories, it has many facets, some of which place it in different genres.  However, since SOME of those facets would make this clearly fantasy, then I don't think it's unreasonable to call the story itself fantasy.  Much like Superhero Girl--I didn't see any fantasy in that at all, but many people did, so it's not out of place here at all.





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Reply #67 on: February 24, 2010, 12:16:38 AM
This was a nice story, and definitely well-written, but in the end it didn't hook me -- I think because (as someone else said way back in the thread) it's a slice-of-life kind of story, and those rarely get me as much as the ones where the protagonists are trying to accomplish something.  Also, the understated nature of the fantasy element (the ghosts treated as mostly mundane, and never really being a turning-point in the plot) is another thing that isn't as much to my taste.  One of those things on its own can be fine, but both together results in a story that, while good, isn't all that compelling to me.

But that's all personal-mileage stuff.  The one more solid quibble I'd make has to do with the reading: in places it seemed like there was a scene break, but the narration went from one bit to the next as if it were a paragraph break, leaving me briefly confused as to how the characters had gotten from Point A to Point B, or when Tio Gilberto had shown up, or whatever.  It's possible the original text just flows those things together, and there was no scene break after all, but it tripped me up here and there.



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Reply #68 on: February 24, 2010, 05:33:48 PM
I found this to be a beautiful story, not so much for the relationship between James and Kasper, but between him and Tio Gilberto. While James and Kasper's relationship is based off of sexual attraction, you can tell he's searching for intamacy, which is displayed not only between Gilberto and the Ghosts, but between him and James. I loved the element of not just his tio watching out for James, but the ghosts as well, even though James couldn't see them. The scene where James performs his comedic act for them was beautiful and sad...James searching for that one frowning face and not being able to see it. That is haunting indeed.

I think I like this story far better than The Petrified Girl. Whereas the latter seemed to me more hollow and selfish, I could feel genuine love coming from the characters. And the ending was so gentle...so caring...I can honestly say this is my favorite gay story on Podcastle.

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Reply #69 on: February 28, 2010, 09:21:45 AM
hi, i don't normally bother to post as you guys have always already said it more eloquently. however i have to comment on this.
this is a contrived moralising story about the fact that gay guys should wear condoms; all the lecturing about using them, not using it once, getting unwell. the concept was thrust down your throat in a very unsubtle way.
as for fantasy, i didn't see any. apart from setting a scene where we accept a houseful of ghosts, they play no significan practical or allegorical part in the story. yes, casper was spooked by the idea, but it was only ever a casual relationship for him. it wasn't the ghosts that caused them to split up, they'dve done that soon enough anyway.



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Reply #70 on: March 01, 2010, 05:09:07 PM
Welcome to the forum, merryoldsoul.

If you're curious about the fantasy element, you may want to read the discussion no page 1 and page 2. You can also find the author's reasons for writing the story on page two. Also, make sure you check out the rule during your stay. The phrasing of your post above comes off as borderline to me.