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Reply #20 on: June 14, 2010, 09:27:43 PM
I liked this one. Although what I liked most about it was the idea of the 'behold' rather than the fairy. Didn't mind the violent scenes-this is supposed to be someone's head, right? and I liked the way the behold changed with its owner. I wanted to know more. What happens when the owner of a behold dies? Where do the fairies come from? If fairies exist, what else exists too? Has any human ever found out about the fairies, and what did they do when they did? That made it for me.

As for the previous comment about the torture, I don't see the problem there. It was supposed to be the inside of Toby's head after all, it wasn't like he was out on the streets slaughtering people. Everyone has unpleasant things in their subconscious. Maybe not raining corpses, but hey. We all think dark thoughts sometimes. If the bodies were a bit over the top, then they were showy and melodramatic in a teenage-boy sort of way. After all, I remember being a pretty unpleasant person growing up.

Although I bet I wasn't the only one who thought he was going to do something horrible to the dog.
 




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Reply #21 on: June 14, 2010, 09:41:35 PM
Given that the whole story is a psychodrama, I'd say it's pretty safe to assume that's what the author was getting at, yes...

Not necessarily. You'd be surprised at how often authors stumble into things like that without knowing the theory behind it.

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Reply #22 on: June 14, 2010, 10:34:04 PM
Fuzzy. From inception, to name, to purpose in the story, right down to his end scene is one of the most incredible characters I've ever encountered. Friend, foe, catalyst, solution--wow. Seriously wow.

Was the first comment (Allison?) deleted? Because I couldn't find the post that initiated half of this thread. Then again--you know me Dave. It's probably right under my nose!



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Reply #23 on: June 14, 2010, 10:40:47 PM
Hi Terri,

That thread was split off and sent here, so the ratings, etc. could be discussed there, and we could focus on the story here.

Welcome to the forum, BTW, and glad you enjoyed the story and Fuzzy.


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Reply #24 on: June 15, 2010, 06:44:08 PM
The part of the story that I really liked, and that helped give a touch of whimsy, is that time wasn't clearly defined.  There was both minute detail of time, and then months or years passing without being mentioned.  It made it feel more like it was being told by the easily distracted, forgetful fairy.

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Reply #25 on: June 15, 2010, 07:34:07 PM
Thanks, Dave!



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Reply #26 on: June 17, 2010, 01:58:22 PM
"Fuzzy," said Fuzzy.  Ah, Fuzzy, I couldn't have said it better.  I don't know how you manage to be so thoughtful, so insightful, and overall so darned concise!  When I have half your talent with words, I'll never have to read another form rejection again.  ;)

Seriously, though, the concept for this story was AMAZING!  One of those that I wish I'd thought of first so that I could write a story about it and get credit for coming up with it.  Like most of the Giants, though, I thought it would've done better with the same concept and half the words--it just went on for a very long time, and my mind kept wandering during long sections of not-much-happening.  Anyway, I'm glad the editors saw fit to buy it, it was well worth the listen, I just wish it would've been pruned back a bit to keep the power of the story from being diluted by the massive word count.

Is it just me, or was the story suggesting what it sounded like it was suggesting? That Toby's homosexuality was because he had a fairy inside him?

I didn't get that impression at all.  I thought the fairies were related to creativity, not to sexuality.  No fairies doesn't mean you're a bad person or anything, just that you'd be one to be more likely to not be interested in creative things.  One fairy brings out your creativity, most artists and authors, and other people who like to be creative in their spare time.  Two fairies is very uncommon but might be the case for those stars who burn hot and die young like Kurt Cobain or the like.

Anyway, the concept for this story was AMAZING.



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Reply #27 on: June 19, 2010, 10:54:05 AM
I feel the need to go and build a small and tasteful shrine to both author and narrator.  The whole thing entranced me all the way through.  Difficult to listen to in places, but so worth it.



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Reply #28 on: June 19, 2010, 09:54:30 PM
Oh, and the music still playing under it for a good five minutes in the beginning.


I just wanted to let everyone know that there's a corrected version of this now online. So if you redownload it, you'll get it without the music once the story starts. Sorry about that!


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Reply #29 on: June 20, 2010, 09:53:56 PM
I'm running behind, so I just listened to this one.  The first few minutes had my mind wandering, but once we got into Toby's story, I got into it and really loved it.  I sometimes think the giants take a little slogging, but I listened straight through eagerly.  As someone who as a child had a book of greek sculpture that I admired "a little too much," I felt very keyed into the story from that point forward.

Then, imagine my surprise when I came online to comment about it, and discovered that this was the story that launched the "ratings debate" thread I'd already been following!  Not to revive a dormant argument, but my view of the story was so different than alllie's that I didn't even recognize it from her criticisms as I was listening along.  I'll just say that I feel that the story of someone coming to terms with his sexuality clearly isn't horror.  (I debated where to put this comment, but finally decided that since I was commenting on the story, rather than the rating, the episode thread was the more appropriate place.)



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Reply #30 on: June 23, 2010, 09:07:25 PM
This was a beautiful, incredibly moving story.  To me, it's an excellent example of the way spec-fic elements can be used to address real-world issues: in this case, the process of maturation generally, and the issue of sexuality specifically.  I hurt for Toby during the bad times, when the fire came raining down, because we got such an inside view of what that felt like, and Duncan's choice of how to represent that pain felt so persuasive.

To weigh in briefly on a few things other people have said:

No, I don't think having a fairy caused homosexuality, just that this was a story a homosexual guy with a fairy -- which, yes, was obviously a deliberate play on the stereotype.

Ditto the people who said chapter headers don't work well in audio.  I would have liked a bit more of a pause between sections, too, whenever there was a break between time-periods of action, because sometimes it took me a moment to realize the scene had changed.

Length . . . a bit long, yeah, but not in a way that bothered me at all.  I think that's because this was about Toby maturing from infancy to adulthood, and a quicker story would feel like it short-changed that process.  I enjoyed the prose, and Flashjack's experiences inside the behold, enough that once he got inside, I never felt like the story was moving too slowly.  If there was one part I could have seen reduced without much disappointment, it was the parts preceding Toby's arrival on the scene.



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Reply #31 on: June 29, 2010, 11:43:01 PM
Was the first comment (Allison?) deleted? Because I couldn't find the post that initiated half of this thread. Then again--you know me Dave. It's probably right under my nose!

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd, I take it back. I thought I looked when you mentioned it, Terri-Lynne, but it appears the comment was deleted. Not by one of the mods or editors, as far as I know.


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Reply #32 on: June 30, 2010, 02:52:11 AM
Was the first comment (Allison?) deleted? Because I couldn't find the post that initiated half of this thread. Then again--you know me Dave. It's probably right under my nose!

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd, I take it back. I thought I looked when you mentioned it, Terri-Lynne, but it appears the comment was deleted. Not by one of the mods or editors, as far as I know.

I certainly didn't.

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Reply #33 on: June 30, 2010, 07:36:31 AM
I took some time to listen to this story, partially because I wanted the ratings/is-it-horror debate early on to subside in my memory before I start it. Now that I have, I really love this story. Let me just quote mbrennan as she captures what I have to say exactly:

This was a beautiful, incredibly moving story.  To me, it's an excellent example of the way spec-fic elements can be used to address real-world issues: in this case, the process of maturation generally, and the issue of sexuality specifically.  I hurt for Toby during the bad times, when the fire came raining down, because we got such an inside view of what that felt like, and Duncan's choice of how to represent that pain felt so persuasive.



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Reply #34 on: July 18, 2010, 04:38:50 AM

Is it just me, or was the story suggesting what it sounded like it was suggesting? That Toby's homosexuality was because he had a fairy inside him?

Because really? REALLY? I don't know. Because the story seems an awful long way to go for a pun that lame.

It seems this point has been pretty much hammered flat, but it's a good place to jump in. I loved this story (and the narration since foul-mouthed fairies need that accent--it just wouldn't do having him sound as if he's from Ohio) because I could relate to it; having a fairy in my behold would go along way toward explain the chaos that reigns in my mind. Might be a psychological explanation as well, but I would prefer Pebbleskip.

This story turns all sorts of notions on their pointy little heads, particularly the one that fairies are real and yet creatures of 'pure whimsy' who live within our imaginations. I think Toby's homosexuality fits here; the author has made a good joke of the idiot notion that gays are fairies.

All in all, it's a brilliant piece of storytelling, one of the most inventive I've heard in awhile. I'm actually insanely envious.

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Reply #35 on: July 22, 2010, 05:20:52 PM
This is the first podcastle Giant where I actually found myself working past my usual quitting time at work just so I can continue listening to this story. It was hard to understand the beginning at first--I had to rewind it several times--but once I got what was going on...wow. I looooove the idea of fairies living in the Beholds of our Eyes. And it was so interesting to see Toby's life through the whimsical eye of the fairy...which I agree with everyone else, had nothing to do with his sexuality and more to do with the zest for life, the appreciation of life. Makes me wonder at my own Behold of my eye...

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Reply #36 on: July 27, 2010, 05:29:33 AM
Another 'meh' one for me. It kind of grated on me that the protagonist was FastJack, the same (very unusual) name of a very famous Decker in the Shadowrun universe. I know, I know, if you dont know it then you are probably like 'whatever', but for those who do, well, it's like having a character called 'Bilbo Baggins' who is a hard-nosed private investigator in Brooklyn. I mean, obviously different characters, but the names are very unusual and exactly the same, and it's a bizarre mashup.

Anyway, I'm not gay so I don't presume to know the struggles going on there. However, this story did basically just kinda fall flat for me. By the end, I didn't really give a damn about any of the characters, and for living his entire life through the eyes and the mind of his human (whatever his name was) the fairy didn't seem to give much of a crap about him or what was going on in his life, only the occasional glimpse whenever it was handy for changing the scene in his 'behold'.



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Reply #37 on: July 27, 2010, 02:16:02 PM
I was a big Shadowrun fan in college; the crossover occurred to me, but it didn't bother me.  (Possibly because I always found Fastjack to be cringe-inducingly irritating as a vehicle for "humor" and just generally Mary-Sue-ish.)

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Reply #38 on: July 27, 2010, 03:47:37 PM
Another 'meh' one for me. It kind of grated on me that the protagonist was FastJack, the same (very unusual) name of a very famous Decker in the Shadowrun universe.

Actually, the character's name in this story was FlashJack, not Fastjack. Only a slight difference, I know, but definitely not the same name.


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Reply #39 on: July 28, 2010, 03:22:49 AM
Another 'meh' one for me. It kind of grated on me that the protagonist was FastJack, the same (very unusual) name of a very famous Decker in the Shadowrun universe.

Actually, the character's name in this story was FlashJack, not Fastjack. Only a slight difference, I know, but definitely not the same name.

Oops, good call. It's been a few years (10...) since I have played so that was my bad. Anyway,still...