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Pseudopod 203: Flash on the Borderlands III

Ladies’ night at the meat market. A threesome of delectable flash fiction morsels.


My Body Your Banquet

By C.S.E. Cooney
Read by Jacquie Duckworth

The man next door was interested in eating human flesh. He said as much, last time I took the trash out to the alley.


Sight Unseen

By R. Scott Shanks, Jr.
Read by Rachel Swirsky

“Wherever you touch yourself, you will feel my hands touching you.” Sylvie reached for her aching head and felt a man’s rough hand twined in her hair, gently but firmly pushing her face into her graying sheets.


The Lot

By C.M. Harris
Read by Eve

It’s The Call of The Hydrae. It’s started.



Listen to this week's Pseudopod.

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Five pounds?  Six pounds? Seven pounds?


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Reply #1 on: August 01, 2010, 05:21:22 AM
That first absolutely made my skin crawl.

Kudos to Al for finding a common thread, and 5,000 points for mentioning Elbow!


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Reply #2 on: August 01, 2010, 05:53:53 PM
I do not mean this as a flame or as snark, but as a real honest to God suggestion.  It's time for the Escape Artists to create a fourth podcast stream for erotica. It is clearly a theme, subject matter, and or perhaps media that the editors enjoy very well. Erotic elements are certainly an integral part of both the horror and sci-fi/spec landscape, and can be a very enjoyable. It seems like these topics, or maybe methods of presenting stories are getting a little played out for me right now.  Obviously this is just one guy's opinion, I think there's some phrase about varying mileage that may apply here.

That being said I really enjoyed the third of the Flash stories, the Lot. The world building was great, with enough to both ground the imagination and yet not so much that the imagination couldn't wither (think a tomato cage). The narration was great and definitely added to the story.  This story let me thinking, wondering, and lingering on the several concepts upon which it touched: Cultural colonization and assimilation, intellectual identity vs biological identity, that whole end of the world dealie.  So it was a rich story.

The first story, for me, was not enjoyable. I can't help but think of a similar scene from The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (well, it may not have been in the book by that title, and rather just in the location within Adams' books - sorry about that). This is sort of a dark twin to that particular event.

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Reply #3 on: August 01, 2010, 06:54:50 PM
The first one was an intensely unpleasant, stomach-turning listen for me. I was quite literally squirming in my seat, tempted to fast-forward through it just to get it over with. This wasn't so much horror as a deliberate gross-out. Definitely a thumbs down for me. (It also reminded me a bit too much of that real-life story out of Germany about Armin Meiwes. I couldn't help wondering if that inspired this story.)

The second one was better. It had an element of psychological horror that I think approaches what Dean Koontz is able to do in his books, only this was like reading just the climax of a Dean Koontz novel--without all the endless preaching and the bashing over the head with the "moral." So a thumbs up.

The third one, I thought, was the best of the three, and struck me as being along the lines of Invasion of the Body Snatchers or something like that, although it took me a while to figure that out. Probably because I was driving. :) A pretty solid world I'd like to see more of. Again, this felt like the climax of a longer story, and I found myself wanting to hear what came before. And after. So a solid thumbs up.

As to what poster heyes said above...that wouldn't be an altogether bad idea, but if you think it's hard now trying to figure out where a given story "should" go, adding a fourth podcast into the mix would only make that worse. For instance, the third story could easily have gone into either PseudoPod or Escape Pod. I think ultimately the decision to put it on Pseudopod was the correct one, because Steve intended for Escape Pod to be "fun." There's...not a lot 'fun' about "The Lot." :)

And besides, what would they call an erotica podcast? :)

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Reply #4 on: August 02, 2010, 12:33:52 PM
I think my favorite was the first, despite its somewhat overblown language.

The second was a woman deluding herself. Knowing a little about erotic hypnosis (via a friend, thankyouverymuch), I found myself wondering more about the mechanics than anything else.

The third was good, but I feel I needed to know more of the world to really appreciate it.

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Reply #5 on: August 02, 2010, 10:12:08 PM
STORY #1

This was okay, but I wouldn't much call it a story.  In fact, if not for Al's intro re: the German newspaper story, I would have called this a bit of plotless nonsense.  I actually would have preferred that little detail included after the story, not before.  I cannot see a motivation for either character (for the neighbor, we do not really need one, but the woman should certainly have one).  I suppose the motivation was to be found in the clumsy vampire-mirror metaphor, but I didn't really think that was sufficient to explain why she was doing what she did.  The imagery and action certainly made my skin crawl, but I never felt fear - only the nervous revulsion which "torture porn" elicits.  That's all too easy an emotion to conjure up - I would have preferred a little less Eli Roth and a little more actual fear.

STORY #2

After "Her Collection of Intimacy" I felt ready to join the chorus of "there should be an erotic-pod" - but after listedning to this one, I am pleased to be a dissenter.  This was a horror story which remained largely sexual throughout, but used the erotic aspects to build the nightmare.  I also found the concept absolutely fascinating and original - I rather liked this little story.  My take was that Nathan was dead and he'd left her the recording so they could stay "together."  A unique idea and well executed.

STORY #3

A big, big, big thumbs down from me.  Sorry, but this far too closely approximated a hentai, tentacle-porn fan-fic for me to enjoy it in the least.  From forced lesbianism, to tentacle rape, to impregnation and vorarephilia this one hit all the fetishes.  I don't have any problem with such grotesque ideas being used in horror, but this one was all fetish, little plot and never generated fear only disgust.  As with my criticism of #1, manufacturing disgust is much easier than manufacturing fear.  Not that disgust cannot work (cf. "Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Germyn and his Family") but it has to be better done than "rape monster rapes girls... also lesbians."

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Reply #6 on: August 03, 2010, 02:52:45 AM
f not for Al's intro re: the German newspaper story

Wait. Al mentioned the German cannibal story? Heh! I managed to completely miss that. I even commented above that the story reminded me of that German story. How...inattentive of me.

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Reply #7 on: August 03, 2010, 03:09:05 AM
None of these stories really worked for me. One thing I realized over the past few years here is that I like surrealism, and magic realism, in my fantasy but not my horror. The narrator of the first story was too impentrable for me to relate to, and while I did rather like some of the writing, it failed to engage me emotionally at all. The second story just confused me; it felt like a nightmare - a genuine dream, not a nightmarish reality. The third story was, for me, the best of the three, but it needed more development. As flash, it felt rather thin of substance and instead was mostly imagery.

So, yeah, not a great selection for me.



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Reply #8 on: August 03, 2010, 04:24:05 AM
The second story strongly reminded me of "Cupid and Psyche," and with a beautifully deft touch, as well.  Really, really enjoyed that one.

I, for one, do not want an erotic-pod.  Mostly because I don't actually like erotica as a genre, but I don't mind at all when stories use eroticism to good effect.  If there were an erotic-pod, I'd either not listen to it and thus miss out on stories from editors whom I know can pick good ones or I'd listen to it grudgingly and have to be won over every week.



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Reply #9 on: August 03, 2010, 05:24:59 AM
Podophilia.

Erotipod.

Podomones.

Podgasm.

Lots o' kinda direct ones come to mind which I won't mention. Yet.


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Reply #10 on: August 03, 2010, 12:13:33 PM
I really liked My Body Your Banquet. I remember the original German cannibal news story. This story topped it. It was at once cringy, toe-curling, and slightly repulsive -- the only story I've heard where a person is spiritually healed by consenting to have their legs sawn off and consumed while still awake.

It was the slippery calf-salmon that did it for me.

I like the non-realism of the missing reflection as a metaphor for dying inside, it lent a Kafka-esque non-literalism to the story, somewhat softening the impact of the macabre descriptions. By the end the theme came into focus in the perfect image of the protagonist's twin reflections in her saviour's glasses.



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Reply #11 on: August 03, 2010, 12:33:18 PM
It was the slippery calf-salmon that did it for me.

<stomach twists and lurches> Yeah, it was that that "did it" for me, too. Although I'm fairly certain "it" is something altogether different for me than for you.

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Reply #12 on: August 03, 2010, 01:23:55 PM
My Body Your Banquet I didn't enjoy at all.  This struck me as tortureporn, which I am not a fan of, and explicitly described cannibalism is one of the few lines in ficiton where I just say "Turn it off!".  More so if the person is watching themselves being eaten, and the fact that this was voluntary--actually I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse, but still... uck.

Sight Unseen was quite good, I like the man's ephemeral presence and how she keeps finding excuses for him being there, even though she knows she's being hypnotized.

The Lot didn't have much substance.  I hadn't heard of tentacle-porn before Millenium_King used the word, but this seemed very apt.  I don't have anything against sex in stories (though it is damned hard to do well), but I prefer it as a garnish, rather than the sole offering.



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Reply #13 on: August 03, 2010, 04:10:13 PM
The Lot didn't have much substance.  I hadn't heard of tentacle-porn before Millenium_King used the word, but this seemed very apt.  I don't have anything against sex in stories (though it is damned hard to do well), but I prefer it as a garnish, rather than the sole offering.

Look up "tentacle erotica" on wikipedia.  It's an idea that has it's roots in medieval Japan.  Trust me, look at the wikipedia article, do not do a Google search unless you want to burn your eyes out of your skull with a cigarette lighter afterward.  The fact that it's a Japanese idea just rammed home the fetish-ness of the 3rd story since (I'm pretty sure) the factory was in Asia somewhere (at least it seemed that way, bullet trains and all - hell, it could have been Japan).

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Reply #14 on: August 03, 2010, 04:40:32 PM
Podophilia.

Erotipod.

Podomones.

Podgasm.

Lots o' kinda direct ones come to mind which I won't mention. Yet.


Why not have two? (I say flippantly) Given that people can  be offended by finding fetish when they're looking for non-fetish. A few names for consideration:

Vanilla: Missionary Podsition, Oh My Pod, Podice Ripper, Pody Heat

Fetish: Pod Touch, Podom and Gomorrah, Consentual Podomy, Podo-erotic asphyx....

Maybe the joke has been carried far enough.



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Reply #15 on: August 03, 2010, 04:58:33 PM
My Body Your Banquet

Urk. Mur. Argh. Blech.

Gah.

Wow.

Yeah, I was originally thinking I was going to have to say more, but that really does it. I loved it. It was horror in all its bloody, gory, annihilating splendor. Two stumps up.

Sight Unseen

Didn't really do it for me. I didn't quite get the horror of the situation. The weird and the sad, certainly, but it didn't quite make the leap into horror. I think I needed to see a little more of the consequences of the point of view character's obsession a little more for this story to really jump off the page at me.

The Lot

Pretty horrible, but not really my style. It was really well-crafted, beautiful even, but the story... well... the story just didn't quite make enough sense. There wasn't enough of a rational arc. I know horror is supposed to be non-sense - anti-sense - but this was just... not sense. Well, that's true but it isn't getting to why the story didn't do it for me.

Let's see.

Ah, here it is: I didn't understand the characters' world well enough to be impressed by their actions one way or the other. It was all very vague. There were no men, only women, and the women worked in factories. The earth was turning into water and tentacles, and she wanted to run away, except that actually when they got caught it was pretty ok - subjectively speaking - and then their baby ate them.

Say what now?

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Reply #16 on: August 03, 2010, 09:25:48 PM
Unrelatedly,  is it just me, or are the Pods being overrun by prudes? So there was some naughty tentacles and some erotisized eating of human flesh?

I think most people just don't want the eroticism to overrun the horror.  That's my opinion anyway.  I thought "Sight Unseen" did it right, but "Her Collection of Intimacy" (amongst others, such as "The Engine of Desire") did it wrong.

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Reply #17 on: August 03, 2010, 11:45:25 PM

Unrelatedly,  is it just me, or are the Pods being overrun by prudes? So there was some naughty tentacles and some erotisized eating of human flesh? So she had a demon lover named Nathan - my brain, by the way, has for some reason decided that he must be Nathan Fillion, bad brain, no cookie - so what? I see worse on my drive to work every day.

As potentially one of the prude hordes, one might also see that Pseudopod has earned itself a widely diverse following that includes tolerances, interests, opinions, beliefs, and preferred styles of entertainment that are different than your own. As a member of the audience at large, it seems to me that the podcast invites commentary from its listeners by virtue of having these forums. In that way I think "overrun" may not strictly apply seeing as all listeners have been encouraged to give feedback here.

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Reply #18 on: August 03, 2010, 11:47:15 PM
Unrelatedly,  is it just me, or are the Pods being overrun by prudes? So there was some naughty tentacles and some erotisized eating of human flesh?

I think most people just don't want the eroticism to overrun the horror.  That's my opinion anyway.  I thought "Sight Unseen" did it right, but "Her Collection of Intimacy" (amongst others, such as "The Engine of Desire") did it wrong.

Just my 2 cents.

My previous point exactly.  Eroticism has been given some pretty heavy attention lately, let's see some of the other rooms in the haunted house of horror.

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Reply #19 on: August 03, 2010, 11:52:56 PM

Unrelatedly,  is it just me, or are the Pods being overrun by prudes? So there was some naughty tentacles and some erotisized eating of human flesh? So she had a demon lover named Nathan - my brain, by the way, has for some reason decided that he must be Nathan Fillion, bad brain, no cookie - so what? I see worse on my drive to work every day.

As potentially one of the prude hordes, one might also see that Pseudopod has earned itself a widely diverse following that includes tolerances, interests, opinions, beliefs, and preferred styles of entertainment that are different than your own. As a member of the audience at large, it seems to me that the podcast invites commentary from its listeners by virtue of having these forums. In that way I think "overrun" may not strictly apply seeing as all listeners have been encouraged to give feedback here.

Ah, I suppose my comment was a little out of line, and I'm sorry. It was meant to be light-hearted, a throwaway comment. A sort of a "gee, look at all the *BLARH*" for whatever value of *BLARGH* is currently relevant. I'm truly sorry if I hurt any feelings. I never intended imply that you shouldn't voice your opinions.

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Reply #20 on: August 04, 2010, 12:13:43 PM

Unrelatedly,  is it just me, or are the Pods being overrun by prudes? So there was some naughty tentacles and some erotisized eating of human flesh? So she had a demon lover named Nathan - my brain, by the way, has for some reason decided that he must be Nathan Fillion, bad brain, no cookie - so what? I see worse on my drive to work every day.

As potentially one of the prude hordes, one might also see that Pseudopod has earned itself a widely diverse following that includes tolerances, interests, opinions, beliefs, and preferred styles of entertainment that are different than your own. As a member of the audience at large, it seems to me that the podcast invites commentary from its listeners by virtue of having these forums. In that way I think "overrun" may not strictly apply seeing as all listeners have been encouraged to give feedback here.

I'm'a tell you all something about my introduction to horror.

My first intro to REAL horror was an early Year's Best Fantasy & Horror anthology I got from the Science Fiction Book Club when I was... um... 12-ish? Maybe 11? Anyway. To me, early on, horror and eroticism were quite well-mixed -- or, at least, horror and sex. And, as a kid about to go into puberty, I was looking for any way to learn about sex that didn't involve talking to my parents (or my friends, because I was pretty damn shy). So whenever the SFBC put a little disclaimer in the teaser text in their catalog that said "warning: explicit sex", I gave that book a pretty good once-over before deciding if I wanted to buy it. That led to a lot of genre experiences that I wouldn't have been exposed to otherwise -- such as William Brinkley's post-apocalyptic "The Last Ship", an immensely long but quite good book that, out of 700+ pages, two had explicit sex. Or "Beauty", by Sheri S. Tepper. Or the many other Year's Best F&H that I obtained and enjoyed the hell out of ("More Tomorrow" by Michael Marshall Smith was in one of them, and it's still one of my favorite horror stories).

To me, horror has been known as the genre where anything can happen, where there are no ratings except for "adult" (I know there's YA horror but it's its own genre). The horror shelf can have Laurell Hamilton next to Stephen King next to Piers Anthony, and they can all have violence and gore, psychological terror, explicit sex, or any combination of the three.

Where am I going with this? I don't really know. I'm just saying, there are probably other people besides me who were introduced to genre fiction the same way, and to us, we don't have a problem with explicit sexual content in our horror, provided that it doesn't overwhelm the story.

In "Sight Unseen", I don't think the sex overwhelmed the story, because we're supposed to wonder if Nathan is really there, was ever really there, or if he really hypnotized her into thinking he's not there while he really is (the sex part). Because, if your brain thinks your body is having hot bent-over-the-bathroom-counter sex with your lover, then does it really matter if he's actually there? Your brain is the part of your body that controls how you process what your senses feel. If your brain says you're sore because you just got laid, then your body will respond that way.*

Of course, I don't want to open the "is it really horror?" box. So let's just kick that back under the desk, and I'll put my feet up on it. And I walk through Atlanta every day, so you don't want to get near my shoes.

* I'm pulling most of this out of my ass, to be honest. I don't know if that's ACTUALLY what happens, scientifically speaking, but it makes sense to me based on what I've read.

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Reply #21 on: August 04, 2010, 01:22:14 PM
My previous point exactly.  Eroticism has been given some pretty heavy attention lately, let's see some of the other rooms in the haunted house of horror.

I'd say it's a fair point.  Between these stories, Her Collection of Intimacy, and Spar(over on Escape Pod), I'd say there's definitely been a strong tendency towards sex heavy stories recently. 



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Reply #22 on: August 04, 2010, 02:25:40 PM


I'm'a tell you all something about my introduction to horror.

My first intro to REAL horror was an early Year's Best Fantasy & Horror anthology I got from the Science Fiction Book Club when I was... um... 12-ish? Maybe 11? Anyway. To me, early on, horror and eroticism were quite well-mixed -- or, at least, horror and sex. And, as a kid about to go into puberty, I was looking for any way to learn about sex that didn't involve talking to my parents (or my friends, because I was pretty damn shy). So whenever the SFBC put a little disclaimer in the teaser text in their catalog that said "warning: explicit sex", I gave that book a pretty good once-over before deciding if I wanted to buy it. That led to a lot of genre experiences that I wouldn't have been exposed to otherwise -- such as William Brinkley's post-apocalyptic "The Last Ship", an immensely long but quite good book that, out of 700+ pages, two had explicit sex. Or "Beauty", by Sheri S. Tepper. Or the many other Year's Best F&H that I obtained and enjoyed the hell out of ("More Tomorrow" by Michael Marshall Smith was in one of them, and it's still one of my favorite horror stories).

To me, horror has been known as the genre where anything can happen, where there are no ratings except for "adult" (I know there's YA horror but it's its own genre). The horror shelf can have Laurell Hamilton next to Stephen King next to Piers Anthony, and they can all have violence and gore, psychological terror, explicit sex, or any combination of the three.

Where am I going with this? I don't really know. I'm just saying, there are probably other people besides me who were introduced to genre fiction the same way, and to us, we don't have a problem with explicit sexual content in our horror, provided that it doesn't overwhelm the story.



Again with the "your mileage may vary" phrase I guess, right? This isn't so much a discussion about why sex shouldn't be a part of horror as it is a discussion of the quantity explicit sexual content of late. Frankly the sexual content is getting a little played out is all, there's lost more to horror than just sex.  I'd like to see some episodes that employ some different tools in the arsenal of fear for a while.  That's just this listener's position. Variety is good.  Lately it seems like people who choose the stories have really been getting into the hot and heavy stuff, and well, it just isn't doing it for me, what can I say?  I only suggest that another forum might give them the outlet for an audience that seems really like that flavor more than I do.

My introduction to horror had nothing to do with sex, for me it had to do with death.  Yes I know people often put them there pals together all the time, but contrary to popular belief and marketing practices the two are actually wholly different. Besides, you know, the actually personal experiences that were horrific or fearful in my personal life, my first ever experience of horror was Poltergeist. Followed shortly thereafter by the Video for Thriller (and an American Werewolf in London).  While those examples might not match up to some standards of real horror, for my little prepubescent mind (at the time) it was pretty damn horrific.

Is summary (for my position):

So sex does not equal bad
Horror and sexual content can go well together
Horror does not require sexual content to be horror
Let's see some other kinds of horror, let's see what else can challenge and entertain us
Some people seem to really like this dark erotic stuff, maybe they would enjoy listening to or creating a really solid podcast with that theme

oh yeah

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Reply #23 on: August 04, 2010, 04:51:48 PM
I'm with heyes.  Well, I'm with him in the sense that I do not think "the erotica in this story overwhelms the horror" or "there's too much erotica lately" are invalid criticisms.  I personally happen to agree with the former, but do not necessarily agree with the latter.  But I think it's a valid point.  I just listened to "The Excavation" and it made me a little wistful for some good-old-fashioned "eldritch abominations."

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Reply #24 on: August 04, 2010, 05:38:57 PM
My previous point exactly.  Eroticism has been given some pretty heavy attention lately, let's see some of the other rooms in the haunted house of horror.

I'd say it's a fair point.  Between these stories, Her Collection of Intimacy, and Spar(over on Escape Pod), I'd say there's definitely been a strong tendency towards sex heavy stories recently. 

How many full length sexually explicit stories has PP run in the last year? (Yes, that leaves out this lot (heh) of flash.) I count two: "Engines of Her Desire" and "Her Collection of Intimacy", but I could easily be missing some.

Also - I don't think it's quite fair to lump an EP episode into this discussion.

I totally get where Heyes is coming from, and I think it's a very thoughtful response - there are many rooms in the haunted house of horror. But I don't think there's been an overwhelming bend toward eroticism here at PP lately. (Although with this collection coming close to "Her Collection of Intimacy" I can see why some feel that way.)


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Reply #25 on: August 04, 2010, 07:27:57 PM
I'm tempted to split off this discussion into another thread, and I might just do so (but not now, I'm lazy).  I think (emphasis on think, I do not know for sure) that if one were to take a look at all of the past Pseudopod episodes, one would find that many of the stories employ sex as an element in their horror, possibly in the same ratio as the stories of late.  What I'm trying to say is that this feeling that many are having most likely stems from these stories all being put out on the same day, rather than the actual prevalence of sexual themes.  I could be wrong, I have not actually done the research into previous episodes. (if someone has the time/inclination to do that and can prove me wrong about this I would be happy to retract my statement)

I'd like to hear my options, so I could weigh them, what do you say?
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Reply #26 on: August 04, 2010, 07:49:10 PM
This is what I got (going back 12 months):

Her Collection of Intimacy
Eye Spy (scene)
The Engine of Desire
Bed of Scorpions (scene)
The Radejastians (scene)
The Getalong Gang (scene)
I am your Need

Some of these are a bit of a stretch (Eye Spy, for example).  I think you're right: most of the complaints have come from the proximity of "The Engine of Desire," "Her Collection of Intimacy" and 2 of 3 of these Flash Fictions.

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Reply #27 on: August 04, 2010, 07:53:52 PM
Thanks for pointing those out.

Fair enough, and also I suppose there's something to be said for the subjectiveness of whether or not something's explicit. There's a couple of stories in that list that do contain sex, but which I wouldn't have called explicit. But that doesn't mean someone else wouldn't call it explicit.


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Reply #28 on: August 05, 2010, 09:03:38 AM
My Body Your Banquet

I quite liked the variation on reality where the agreement was explored in a more romantic light. I found the reflection/abstraction sections of it kept me from really engaging though, left wondering if without them it would have been move visceral and sharp. All in all quite nice, I shall be inflicting it on others. ;)

Sight Unseen

What with all the sex going around Pseudopod and Escapepod lately I found the sex in this gratuitous. The same horror/haunting could be done without it having to be sexual. A nice little idea and interesting story... but right now I am satiated on sex stories and would like some horror that doesn't need sex to be told.

The Lot

This one goes with The Engine of Desire: felt like someone else's fetish porn story. The horror never really comes through because of all the blunt* sex.


* It feels like most of the sex scenes have been delivered with the subtlety of a sledge hammer lately. All the language has been blunt and seems to be thrown in for shock rather than delivering the message/idea with delicate panache.


A comment about delivery: What happened to having individual flash stories as bonuses mid-week? I really liked the pleasant surprise of an extra little story, rather than having them grouped together as a single longer episode.


Regarding the sex in general discussion. Sex (in all its forms and descriptions) is a major part of human nature, to avoid it or even isolate it from other things would be a mistake. I certainly don't want to see it gone, I don't even want to see the more extreme/unusual sex scenes and ideas gone. I would like to see variety in the sex that appears, both in what sex it is, how it is presented, and how significant to the story it is. Of late all the sex feels like it has been delivered for shock value, too much focus on shouting SEX! and not on delivering the horror (or other ideas).



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Reply #29 on: August 05, 2010, 01:11:26 PM
A comment about delivery: What happened to having individual flash stories as bonuses mid-week? I really liked the pleasant surprise of an extra little story, rather than having them grouped together as a single longer episode.

Time constraints.  I do want to get back to that, don't worry.



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Reply #30 on: August 05, 2010, 01:34:58 PM
My previous point exactly.  Eroticism has been given some pretty heavy attention lately, let's see some of the other rooms in the haunted house of horror.

I'd say it's a fair point.  Between these stories, Her Collection of Intimacy, and Spar(over on Escape Pod), I'd say there's definitely been a strong tendency towards sex heavy stories recently. 

How many full length sexually explicit stories has PP run in the last year? (Yes, that leaves out this lot (heh) of flash.) I count two: "Engines of Her Desire" and "Her Collection of Intimacy", but I could easily be missing some.

Also - I don't think it's quite fair to lump an EP episode into this discussion.

I totally get where Heyes is coming from, and I think it's a very thoughtful response - there are many rooms in the haunted house of horror. But I don't think there's been an overwhelming bend toward eroticism here at PP lately. (Although with this collection coming close to "Her Collection of Intimacy" I can see why some feel that way.)

I didn't mean to say that it was Ben's fault that the sex has all come recently, but I don't think it's unfair to say that recently there has been a fairly high concentration of sex-heavy stories on Escape Artists.  It would be unfair to say that if I meant it as a criticism "What were the editors thinking?" sort of comment, but I think it's fair to say it as a general comment.  "Spar" in particular, had enough squicky sex that I may spend years scrubbing the images out of my brain with industrial grade steel wool.  I like the Hugo story tradition at EP, and I hope it continues, so that's not even one I can complain about as an editorial decision--it was a Hugo nominee and EP ran it and I think that's great, even if it was a little too much for me.  With that story very heavy on disturbing sex, any other sex stories just become more noticeable.  "Her Collection of Intimacy" shows up and is all about sex--I was relieved that none of it was squicky, at least--I was more than half-tempted to turn ahead because "Spar" came to mind, but that would've been unfair.  I did listen to it, and mostly liked it, but "sex" was about 95% of the subject material so I'd say that can definitely be included.

And this flash episode has tentacle rape in it, so I'd say that pretty much qualifies as squicky sex, and I'd include the cannibalism story with that too, because there was an extreme intimacy in that scenario of flesh eating that really got to me (until I shut it off).  The other one I wouldn't necessarily call sex-heavy, but it did have some hot and possibly imaginary sex on the bathroom counter, so given its grouping with the other two, it might at least deserve an honorary mention.

So I didn't mean it as a complaint of editor's choices, but as an agreement with heyes that "yeah there's been quite a bit of stories heavy on sex in recent weeks". 



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Reply #31 on: August 05, 2010, 03:29:16 PM
vorarephilia

You got me.  What does this word mean?  I respect a man who can defeat a dictionary. :)



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Reply #32 on: August 05, 2010, 03:49:53 PM
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Reply #33 on: August 05, 2010, 04:21:30 PM
vorarephilia

You got me.  What does this word mean?  I respect a man who can defeat a dictionary. :)

Haha - thanks Ben.  Kaa hitt he nail on the head.  It's usually shortened as "vore."

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Reply #34 on: August 17, 2010, 01:15:11 AM
Full Disclosure: CSE Cooney is a friend of mine, and I regularly attend her live readings.

I was really psyched that she'd finally gotten a story on an EA cast. I've been listening to you guys about the same length of time that I've known her, and I've been anticipating hearing her here for about that long. Her stories and poems are fun to read, but they really shine when heard.

So, I'd had really high hopes for this one, which I have heard her read and was blown away by (in the most horrible way possible). Alas, I was disappointed by the reading. I don't think it's anyone's fault (I've enjoyed other stories read by the same narrator). I think Miss Cooney's work just straddles a line between poetry and prose that probably requires musical notations to read properly. And, naturally, those notations are only in her head. If there were anyone I'd wish the "no authors reading their own work" rule would be bent for, it's her.

I'm still really glad to have heard her on PP, and I really hope for more in the future, on any of the casts.

As for the story itself, it's pretty heavy on the metaphor, and yes, extremely squicky. I think Alasdair's comments about intimacy hit the nail right on the head. Who are we to define what closeness is? When a person stops seeing themselves, what does it take to make them feel something real? And who are we to deny them that experience?

The one with the hypnosis was also extremely creepy, the best read, and ultimately the most effective of the three.

The third one was just really bizarre lesbian tentacle porn that, while it had some interesting images, had no cohesion or sense and left me pretty flat. Er, no pun intended.

This was a pretty good collection of three horrific stories about intimacy, so, well done on that score. Alasdair's segues were quite good.


For anyone who wants to hear CSE Cooney reading her own work (which I highly recommend), she's done several poems for Goblin Fruit, so check there. I won't link, it's probably bad manners to link to the competition, eh?




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Reply #35 on: August 17, 2010, 01:25:56 PM
For anyone who wants to hear CSE Cooney reading her own work (which I highly recommend), she's done several poems for Goblin Fruit, so check there. I won't link, it's probably bad manners to link to the competition, eh?


I think it'd be fine, especially since it would be a link to work by one of the feature authors.  Pseudopod regularly reprints stories that first appeared elsewhere, and when that's the case, they link to the original in their show notes.



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Reply #36 on: August 18, 2010, 06:03:38 AM
For anyone who wants to hear CSE Cooney reading her own work (which I highly recommend), she's done several poems for Goblin Fruit, so check there. I won't link, it's probably bad manners to link to the competition, eh?

Nah, not at all.  It's not really competition if you ask me.



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Reply #37 on: September 01, 2010, 11:29:14 PM
Heh. Ben, I'll assume you meant that in the kindest possible sense.

Here's the audio for "Sedna", one of my favorite Cooney poems, read by the author.
http://www.goblinfruit.net/soundbytes/sedna.mp3

And here's "The Sea-King's Second Bride", which I heard her read in person recently and positively swooned over:
http://www.goblinfruit.net/soundbytes/seakingbride.mp3

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Reply #38 on: September 03, 2010, 03:28:42 AM
Heh. Ben, I'll assume you meant that in the kindest possible sense.

Oh, heh, I see what you mean.  Yes, I did.  Plus, to me art is just objectively non-objective -- and free products don't compete in any meaningful way.  That's what I meant to say.



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Reply #39 on: October 11, 2010, 03:00:40 PM
I save the flash stories for short drives and I mistimed this one.  I got to the coffee shop before “My Body, Your Banquet” was over, normally I’d stop the story, go in order my drink and then listen to the rest.  I couldn’t.  I had to hear the whole story right then, and then I had to stop the podcast and just sit a moment.  This story creeped me out in exactly the right way; I loved it and it will be a long time before I can listen to it again.



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Reply #40 on: October 11, 2010, 05:08:32 PM
I save the flash stories for short drives and I mistimed this one.  I got to the coffee shop before “My Body, Your Banquet” was over, normally I’d stop the story, go in order my drink and then listen to the rest.  I couldn’t.

I had a similar experience with Flash on the Borderlands 4.  I listen to them on my Friday commute home where I treat myself to coffee during the drive (my personal TGIF).  I reached the cafe just after Alasdair's second "bump" between the middle and last story and I could tell by the sound of his voice that if I wanted to stop, I'd better stop NOW.  And I'm glad I did.

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Reply #41 on: June 07, 2011, 01:31:42 AM
What a delightful collection of love stories. I'm totally recommending this to friends for Valentine's Day next year. I felt the third was the weakest of the bunch, but this was a great grouping.

With regards to sex in the podcast, one cannot ignore one of the primal instincts that get to the base of human interaction. Fear/flight, fuck, fight. If we ignore the human need for intimacy, then we're lying to ourselves. Although it might be enjoyable to listen to nothing but Victorian horror, it doesn't lead to a rounded experience.

Also, I feel obligated to quote the front page in discussions like this:

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WARNING: This is a podcast of horror fiction. The stories presented here are intended to disturb you. They are likely to contain death, graphic violence, explicit sex (including sexual violence), hate crimes, blasphemy, or other themes and images that hook deep into your psyche. We do not provide ratings or content warnings for specific stories. We assume by your listening that you wish to be disturbed for your entertainment. If there are any themes that you cannot deal with in fiction, that are too strongly personal to you, please do not listen.

Pseudopod is for mature audiences only. Hardly any story on Pseudopod is suitable for children. We mean this very seriously.

Emphasis is mine. Warning is yours.

And wost case, if you hate one story, wait a week. There will be another, and odds are good that it will be more to your taste.

Unrelatedly,  is it just me, or are the Pods being overrun by prudes? So there was some naughty tentacles and some erotisized eating of human flesh? So she had a demon lover named Nathan - my brain, by the way, has for some reason decided that he must be Nathan Fillion, bad brain, no cookie - so what? I see worse on my drive to work every day.

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