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« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2010, 05:00:08 PM »

Birdless, for someone who doesn't follow politics, you have a pretty solid grasp on the current landscape. 

I don't know what could help turn the tide.  One of the biggest problems I see is that Greens and Libertarians are polar opposites.  I really think term limits would help some, but we may be too far down the road now.
Yeah, i've wondered if that would help, too. I wonder how many Americans would support term limits? And what would happen if a national petition supporting term limits showed a majority favored them? What are the downsides to term limits? Simply voting in lack of experience every 8 years? Is there something wrong with a system when someone can't learn it in 4 years or LESS (assuming, at the worse, 4 years to learn it, 4 years to be effective)? Anyone have any answers? Or guesses? I'll take guesses. Personally, i kinda wonder if less experience is a GOOD thing, so there's less chance to exploit the system.
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« Reply #61 on: November 17, 2010, 11:50:20 PM »

I don't know if I agree that less experience is a good thing. Look at elder statesmen like the late Ted Kennedy. He was still able to wield a great deal of clout without compromising principle.

My biggest problem with the political Left these days is they seem to have given up on being truly progressive. No one seems to have the werewithal to effect any serious change. They're too busy tending to their pet causes to care about any bigger picture. The Democratic party has a long sad history of falling apart over this. They couldn't get a decent health care reform bill passed even with a majority in Congress, because none of them were willing to compromise what they saw as their principles for the sake of a greater good. There's never any forward movement because everyone is running around in circles.

With the Republicans in power in the House, I don't know what's going to happen. Most likely, nothing at all.
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« Reply #62 on: November 19, 2010, 01:02:43 AM »

I don't know if I agree that less experience is a good thing. Look at elder statesmen like the late Ted Kennedy. He was still able to wield a great deal of clout without compromising principle.
Definitely not a statement of belief on my part—simply curious conjecture! Wink

(Although I feel like there are more than a few politicians who exploit the system; but even if we did have less experienced people, i'm sure they would get mentored by those with decades of experience.)
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« Reply #63 on: November 19, 2010, 09:29:08 AM »

Experience is a fine line to tread in politics. That's the problem. There is this well-ingrained notion that "the system" is bad and will inevitably corrupt you, so you should spend as little time in it as possible. On the other hand, if DON'T spend a good bit of time inside the system, how are you going to get anything done? It's like a self-defeating cycle: the young people who get involved in politics looking to genuinely make positive change are pressured to not "play the game." So naturally they don't develop the experience needed to actually affect any change.
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« Reply #64 on: November 20, 2010, 06:37:58 AM »

I think idealism dies with experience.  This is ot just in politics, either.  Remember being young and having the future ahead of you?  Anything was possible.  As you grew older, you began to find limits.  It happens in many aspects of life.  Political idealism is generally more publicly visible.
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« Reply #65 on: November 21, 2010, 09:34:08 AM »

Well, there's losing idealism, and then there's just plain giving up. There IS a difference, and I fear that we as a society have forgotten that. The world is not perfect - and probably never will be - but that doesn't mean we shouldn't stop trying to make it a little better.

...okay, that was sappy even for ME. Sorry.
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« Reply #66 on: November 22, 2010, 02:55:54 AM »

I agree.  I did not intend it to sound horrible.  Idealism alone is not enough to sustain a political career.  I think this is what the system is blamed for.
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« Reply #67 on: November 23, 2010, 10:47:27 AM »

Here's an interesting (and depressing) read:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/22/opinion/22krugman.html

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The fact is that one of our two great political parties has made it clear that it has no interest in making America governable, unless it’s doing the governing. And that party now controls one house of Congress, which means that the country will not, in fact, be governable without that party’s cooperation — cooperation that won’t be forthcoming.

and ShamWow is still trying to "reach across the aisle" from what I understand.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #68 on: November 23, 2010, 12:16:58 PM »

heh.  You speak as if that is a unique characteristic of the Republicans.  When Democrats are in power, they shake their heads and complain that the Republicans won't cooperate with them and go along with their agenda.   When Republicans are in power, they shake their heads and complain that the Democrats won't cooperate with them and go along with their agenda.  It is depressing, but it is not unique to one party.
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« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2010, 09:38:35 PM »

heh.  You speak as if that is a unique characteristic of the Republicans.  When Democrats are in power, they shake their heads and complain that the Republicans won't cooperate with them and go along with their agenda.   When Republicans are in power, they shake their heads and complain that the Democrats won't cooperate with them and go along with their agenda.  It is depressing, but it is not unique to one party.

It's the first time I can recall either party baldly stating their intention of opposing the President's every move, no matter what. Sure, that may be what they always do anyway, but coming right out and saying so takes nuts as big as my house.

(I got a big house.)
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« Reply #70 on: November 23, 2010, 11:38:49 PM »

It's the first time I can recall either party baldly stating their intention of opposing the President's every move, no matter what. Sure, that may be what they always do anyway, but coming right out and saying so takes nuts as big as my house.

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