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Pick the series you've liked/loved/hated, but couldn't stop watching. Yes, I know you can't pick just one, that's why you can pick four.

Doctor Who (Old and New, Torchwood inclusive)
25 (9.2%)
Stargate SG-1/Atlantis
8 (2.9%)
Battlestar Galactica
23 (8.5%)
Babylon 5
23 (8.5%)
Firefly
38 (14%)
Sliders
1 (0.4%)
Mystery Science Theater 3000
15 (5.5%)
Farscape
12 (4.4%)
The Prisoner
7 (2.6%)
The Six Million Dollar Man
2 (0.7%)
Superman (various)
2 (0.7%)
The Jetsons
2 (0.7%)
Andromeda
5 (1.8%)
Wonder Woman (I put in Superman)
2 (0.7%)
Quantum Leap
10 (3.7%)
Red Dwarf
15 (5.5%)
The Twilight Zone
11 (4%)
The X-Files
23 (8.5%)
Lost in Space
2 (0.7%)
Star Trek (Any/All)
33 (12.1%)
Eureka
4 (1.5%)
UFO
0 (0%)
Seaquest
0 (0%)
Batman
5 (1.8%)
Lost
4 (1.5%)

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Reply #40 on: February 21, 2007, 07:37:55 PM
Ah, I see what you're saying.  It helped set the standard for sci-fi.  That's cool.  I liked what I saw of the original series, the Next Generation,  and a handful of the movies.  Even though I never really got into DS9, I respect that it was trying to do something different. 

Guess I'll stay away from the Enterprise series, though.


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Reply #41 on: February 21, 2007, 07:40:31 PM
I've never gotten all the hate for Voyager. It's my favorites of the star treks (although I'm currently working my way through TOS and liking it too). The characters felt a lot more developed and interesting than the yawnfest that was Enterprise, and I felt some of the episodes were pretty innovative. Particularly some of the ones with the Doctor (or it could just be I really loved that character :D).

I will confess being unable to get into either 24 or Lost. They just didn't gel with me. I think Lost's melodrama turned me off. (Yet, I'm a heroes addict. Go figure).

I miss Firefly with the passion of a thousand fiery suns. But I understand why they had to cancel it, Fox clearly needed more space for shows like "When Shoeboxes Attack, Part 200" and "Who Wants to be a Moronic, Braindead Reality Show Contestant?"

Not that I'm bitter, mind you.. ;)




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Reply #42 on: February 21, 2007, 07:47:16 PM
I enjoy  Lost, but until we know how things will be resolved when they end the series it's sort of a one trick pony in my opinion, not equal to shows like Trek, that had impact on pop culture both inside and outside the Speculative fiction community. (Sorry I do like Firefly, and the DVD set got me through chemo, but there's just not enough of it for me to rank it as a "great" in the field.)

I think the jury is out on Lost until we know if  they stringing us along and making it up as they go (a'la Twin Peaks?), or is there really a coherent begining-middle-end plot arc? Is there really something huge and mysterious going on or will there be a mundane explanation?  If they come up with everyday explanations for everything that happens then the whole show is nothing but an extended Scoopy-Do episode with some grownup soap opera window dressing tossed it.  If they go the other way it might be one of the best SF shows ever.



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Reply #43 on: February 21, 2007, 08:28:51 PM
I think the love of the ST series is also dependent on when you saw them.  I saw TOS in reruns as a kid and loved it (actually, I know I saw at least part of one episode in its original airing, but I was only about 3 years old).  When TNG came out, I was almost done with college. When TNG was on, it was the ONLY notable SF on TV, and it was syndicated, so not everyone got to see it. At the time, we were so excited to see NEW ST on TV, watching it became a ritual.   DS9 came on before TNG ended and it was also good, and was also syndicated.  Voyager came on before DS9 ended, but it was on a network, so it had a more regular time slot.  However, by the time it arrived, some of the trappings were getting old.  Spock was such a strong character (the emotionless alien showing us what being human meant) that they copied him in every series - Data, Odo, Tuvok/7 of 9...Trulane became Q... etc...   
TNG tried to be a better version of TOS.  I think in many ways it succeeded because it had way more money (in later seasons) and let's face it - better actors.
DS9 just tried to be different by being on a station.
Voyager just tried to be different by taking the federation away.  IMHO, they started out well, but went downhill quickly after the first season.
I have seen very little of Enterprise, so I won't comment on it.
One thing all the series except TOS and TNG did that I think was a mistake, was to make them more serialized. 
B5 was serialized and brilliant because JMS knew where the whole story went before he started the first episode.  The later TS series weren't really like that. They had an implied order but it never looked liked the writers knew what they were going to do next season as a result of what was going on this season.


I am one of the people who learned to hate voyager.  The reason is that it started out well, with a good premise.  It had a group of very interesting characters (ok neelix was annoying at times), but around the end of the first full season, the plots started to get really dumb. I remember watching every episode, really loving it at first, then watching it go downhill until the "warp 10" episode (where the two characters go off and become lizards and have babies) and then thinking "Well, that's enough for me."  Once in while I would see it flipping channels and wonder if it ever got any better and ever time I'd watch a few minutes and decide that it hadn't.  I did sit and watch the whole finale and it seemed just as dumb and full of plot holes as most of the show had been.  I guess what makes me bitter is thinking how good the show *could* have been.

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Reply #44 on: February 21, 2007, 08:52:39 PM
I never did see the lizards episode but I've heard it was pretty bad. Still, overall I thought the series was excellent and I miss it. Maybe its because I happily overlook any technical glitches and plot holes unless they are too huge to ignore. :P And I loved the finale, also. Part of it is I've always been one to watch TV/movies/etc more for the emotional aspect of it then the technical, so that probably affects alot :P

I would take exception with the statement that Odo was a copy of Spock. I found him quite different. Odo could be brusque but it was brusqueness born of emotion rather than lack of emotion.  As for the other Vulcans, yeah, but I guess how different can Vulcans get from eachother? :P



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Reply #45 on: February 21, 2007, 08:58:57 PM
As for the other Vulcans, yeah, but I guess how different can Vulcans get from eachother? :P

Monolithic alien cultures is a major flaw in the Trek universe.  Where are the Vulcan jocks and Klingon interior decorators?



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Reply #46 on: February 21, 2007, 09:14:18 PM
I never did see the lizards episode but I've heard it was pretty bad. Still, overall I thought the series was excellent and I miss it. Maybe its because I happily overlook any technical glitches and plot holes unless they are too huge to ignore. :P And I loved the finale, also. Part of it is I've always been one to watch TV/movies/etc more for the emotional aspect of it then the technical, so that probably affects alot :P

I would take exception with the statement that Odo was a copy of Spock. I found him quite different. Odo could be brusque but it was brusqueness born of emotion rather than lack of emotion.  As for the other Vulcans, yeah, but I guess how different can Vulcans get from eachother? :P

Odo wasn't a copy exactly, it was just another version of the same thing. He wasn't emotionless but he was a loner - at first anyway.  His job was to show us what it was to be human by becoming more human.  I confess that I didn;t see all of DS9, not because I didn;t like it, but because my local station moved it all over the frickin' place. I did see the finale and I had the exact opposite response that I did from voyager's (Wow! I wish I had seen the whole series!)
Also, TOS wasn't about the characters. It was about telling a story that you couldn't get away with telling without changing the context to something otherworldly.  Sorry, I can't remember the names of individual episodes, but the episode with the men who were black one side and white on the other was about racism, for example.  Every week, they went to a new planet, had a new adventure and we were all wiser because of it.   The other series did less of that, but I doubt that would fly today anyway.

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Reply #47 on: February 21, 2007, 09:38:28 PM
Odo wasn't a copy exactly, it was just another version of the same thing. He wasn't emotionless but he was a loner - at first anyway.  His job was to show us what it was to be human by becoming more human.  I confess that I didn;t see all of DS9, not because I didn;t like it, but because my local station moved it all over the frickin' place. I did see the finale and I had the exact opposite response that I did from voyager's (Wow! I wish I had seen the whole series!)
Also, TOS wasn't about the characters. It was about telling a story that you couldn't get away with telling without changing the context to something otherworldly.  Sorry, I can't remember the names of individual episodes, but the episode with the men who were black one side and white on the other was about racism, for example.  Every week, they went to a new planet, had a new adventure and we were all wiser because of it.   The other series did less of that, but I doubt that would fly today anyway.

I can see what you're saying. I think that particular archetype goes beyond sci fi though.. the alienated individual who slowly becomes more human, etc, etc. And its a popular construct. People like it when that happens. I know I do.

And I know what you mean about TOS, im figuring that out for myself as I watch it (im about 2/3rds the way through season 1). The acting is iffy and of course the effects and makeup are laughable, but the plots frequently touch on all kinds of issues that are still relevant today. Good stuff.



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Reply #48 on: February 21, 2007, 09:47:04 PM
I think the jury is out on Lost until we know if  they stringing us along and making it up as they go (a'la Twin Peaks?), or is there really a coherent begining-middle-end plot arc? Is there really something huge and mysterious going on or will there be a mundane explanation?  If they come up with everyday explanations for everything that happens then the whole show is nothing but an extended Scoopy-Do episode with some grownup soap opera window dressing tossed it.  If they go the other way it might be one of the best SF shows ever.

I don't know.  Even though I felt completely ripped off by the way the X-Files ended I have no problem loving that series and rating it as one of my favorites.  Mulder is still easily one of my favorite characters in any medium.  So I've got no problem saying I love Lost now and I even rate it up with the X-Files.

And if the writers do in fact know where they're going (in general) that will make it all the better.


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Reply #49 on: February 21, 2007, 10:04:23 PM
I am one of the people who learned to hate voyager.  The reason is that it started out well, with a good premise.  It had a group of very interesting characters (ok neelix was annoying at times), but around the end of the first full season, the plots started to get really dumb. I remember watching every episode, really loving it at first, then watching it go downhill until the "warp 10" episode (where the two characters go off and become lizards and have babies) and then thinking "Well, that's enough for me."

Heh.  I took a slightly different path: started watching Voyager, made it through the first few episodes, lost interest for whatever reason...  Then, a few years later, decided to give it another try.

Naturally, the episode I watched was that "Warp 10" episode you described.

No force on earth was going to make me watch the show again after that.

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Reply #50 on: February 21, 2007, 10:13:20 PM
Geez, you guys have almost convinced me to watch the Warp 10 episode just because it's soooooooo bad.  ;D


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Reply #51 on: February 21, 2007, 10:55:48 PM
Geez, you guys have almost convinced me to watch the Warp 10 episode just because it's soooooooo bad.  ;D

I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

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Reply #52 on: February 21, 2007, 11:01:16 PM
Odo wasn't a copy exactly, it was just another version of the same thing. He wasn't emotionless but he was a loner - at first anyway.  His job was to show us what it was to be human by becoming more human.  I confess that I didn;t see all of DS9, not because I didn;t like it, but because my local station moved it all over the frickin' place. I did see the finale and I had the exact opposite response that I did from voyager's (Wow! I wish I had seen the whole series!)
Also, TOS wasn't about the characters. It was about telling a story that you couldn't get away with telling without changing the context to something otherworldly.  Sorry, I can't remember the names of individual episodes, but the episode with the men who were black one side and white on the other was about racism, for example.  Every week, they went to a new planet, had a new adventure and we were all wiser because of it.   The other series did less of that, but I doubt that would fly today anyway.

I can see what you're saying. I think that particular archetype goes beyond sci fi though.. the alienated individual who slowly becomes more human, etc, etc. And its a popular construct. People like it when that happens. I know I do.

And I know what you mean about TOS, im figuring that out for myself as I watch it (im about 2/3rds the way through season 1). The acting is iffy and of course the effects and makeup are laughable, but the plots frequently touch on all kinds of issues that are still relevant today. Good stuff.


So am I correct in concluding that you are watching Star Trek the original series for the first time?
Wow.
I envy you.

I haven't watched that on a regular basis in probably 15 years and even now, when I see an episode, I can still recite half the dialog.
For years, one of the local stations played reruns of it on Sunday mornings at 11:00 AM. I have heard it referred to as "Space Church"

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Reply #53 on: February 21, 2007, 11:36:44 PM
(although I'm currently working my way through TOS and liking it too)
I warn you that the episode "Spock's Brain" (season 3)  is as bad as Voyager's "Warp 10".

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Also, TOS wasn't about the characters.
That's not true - yes, there were episodes like Let That Be Your Last Battlefield (half black/half white) but there were also shows like Shore Leave, the aforementioned Amok Time.  It's the relationship between the Big Three that is a good part behind the longevity of the series.



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Reply #54 on: February 21, 2007, 11:54:51 PM
And I know what you mean about TOS, im figuring that out for myself as I watch it (im about 2/3rds the way through season 1). The acting is iffy and of course the effects and makeup are laughable, but the plots frequently touch on all kinds of issues that are still relevant today. Good stuff.
I'm guessing you've never seen a lot of the old Doctor Who's. Oh overturned trash can with a plunger, how I feared ye.

The Scifi channel had it from 4-6 every week day from when I was in 5th grade to about 7th. Though I'll never admit it to my parents, it was probably the biggest reason that I stopped playing the violin (the lessons were every Tuesday/Thursday from 3:30-5:20). I don't remember getting around to watching TNG (Good, so long as you threw out most the first season), Voyager(middling, some good episodes, but the Journalism/Warp 10 episodes... sigh) or DS:9 (Better than anything but TOS, especially the one about early SF mags) until early high school. I'm currently giving Enterprise a shot because Scifi is airing it in a four hour block Mondays, and so I'm withholding judgment until I see more.

Thinking about it, I'm pretty sure I talked my dad into getting me the VHS box set of the Star Wars trilogy (the original versions) because they shared the same first word.

Well, and the space ships shooting lasers on the cover.

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Reply #55 on: February 22, 2007, 12:23:14 AM
So am I correct in concluding that you are watching Star Trek the original series for the first time?
Wow.
I envy you.


Sure am. Itd just never had the opportunity before, and now that i have the whole first season readily at hand it makes it easier than tracking down reruns on tv :P

I'm guessing you've never seen a lot of the old Doctor Who's. Oh overturned trash can with a plunger, how I feared ye.


Nope, thats another show i've seen absolutely nothing of. :P Cheesy special effects i'm familiar with tho

/Red Dwarf and HHGTTG, anyone? ;)




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Reply #56 on: February 22, 2007, 12:41:40 AM
(although I'm currently working my way through TOS and liking it too)
I warn you that the episode "Spock's Brain" (season 3)  is as bad as Voyager's "Warp 10".

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Also, TOS wasn't about the characters.
That's not true - yes, there were episodes like Let That Be Your Last Battlefield (half black/half white) but there were also shows like Shore Leave, the aforementioned Amok Time.  It's the relationship between the Big Three that is a good part behind the longevity of the series.

Sure, but the characters in TOS never evolved after the first few episodes.  You could watch the show in pretty much any order and it would make perfect sense - not true in TNG and beyond.  At the end of any episode, everythign is as it was.  That used to be required in TV shows since reruns were so important.
My theory about Spock's Brain is that it was that bad on purpose.

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Reply #57 on: February 22, 2007, 12:45:44 AM


Nope, thats another show i've seen absolutely nothing of. :P Cheesy special effects i'm familiar with tho

/Red Dwarf and HHGTTG, anyone? ;)



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Reply #58 on: February 22, 2007, 05:55:49 AM
As for the other Vulcans, yeah, but I guess how different can Vulcans get from eachother? :P

Monolithic alien cultures is a major flaw in the Trek universe.  Where are the Vulcan jocks and Klingon interior decorators?

While there have as yet been no reported cases of Vulcan jockism, I am happy to report there is a thriving colony of Klingon interior designers on Kappa Omega III, though it is in a disturbingly bright pink and gold palette. It is situated about ten light-years from the Klingon home planet, just far enough away to escape the (translated roughly from the original Klingon) "[expletive] grays and greens with a few sharp things thrown on the walls because they all [expletive] think that someone's gonna break through the door and attack when they're on the pot. Personally, I would soOOOo rather redecorate than decapitate, but they all think that some [expletive] color and light will detract from their [expletive] (speaker uses air quotes here) warrior image. Honestly, I think they find a paintbrush on their doorstep more frightening than a Romulan Bird of Prey."

While the colony is not discussed on the Klingon home planet, vauge references in the historical records indicated that it was created over a half-millennium ago when the then-emperors' son was discovered repainting his room a mixture of pastel green and deep purple and using his bat'leth as a coat-hanger. Despite numerous attempts to rectify the situation and, it seems his death was faked, along with at least three hundred other Klingons of both sexes from the higher echelons of society.

In the centuries since, the term ghoSta' DoH, or sending away [for warrior training] has become synonymous with the often voluntary permanent exile to the colony. Several years ago a Federation shipping vessel made accidental contact with the colony and brought back a small contingent of Klingon interior decorators to Earth, where they have slowly been making a name for themselves and the... unique design traditions of their colony. Unfortunately that name is kitS' ch.
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Reply #59 on: February 22, 2007, 12:33:49 PM
Now that's funny!

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