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« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2011, 04:07:14 PM »

I'll take the heat for this one. I should have been clearer with the narrator. At least I got robot-lady to say it right...

No sweat.  Don't give it another thought.
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« Reply #41 on: March 23, 2011, 04:27:55 PM »

I liked the narration with the exception of a few odd pauses, and while it ended a little weakly, I was enjoying the act of listening to the story.  I'll take that over an excruciating story that's a chore to trod through but has a good ending.  Well, once in a while.

I assume there was, in fact, an amazing ending to this story, we just don't remember because our short term memory was erased by a special sound right afterwards...
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« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2011, 09:09:56 AM »

Author chiming in now, if that's not too much of a faux pas.

Hey, welcome!  Not a faux pas at all.  Many people (including me) like when an author stops by to join the discussion.

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I made a point of mentioning it because people always put it there spontaneously; I'm not sure why.  Perhaps my name contains a /t/ sound in the original German.  I am not German.  Some of my ancestors were German; that's their affair, not mine.

Regarding German pronunciation:  yup, I'm pretty sure that the letter "z" in German always sounds like "tz".  One thing I like about German is that the pronunciation rules are very consistent compared with English.  (Which isn't to say that it shouldn't be pronounced how you say, just commenting on your "Perhaps").  In English, there are so many conflicting cases:  who would think, from reading them on the page, that kook and cook have different vowel sounds?

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« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2011, 09:37:31 AM »

Author chiming in now, if that's not too much of a faux pas.

Just be advised that prevailing attitude on your input is likely to be "you're just the author... what the hell do you know?"
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« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2011, 11:23:53 AM »

I thoroughly enjoyed this story. And the narration was fine for me, too. I'm with Dem: I think a more abrasive delivery would have been more difficult for me to listen to. The ending may have been a little weak, and it did cross my mind how convenient it was that all major players in this story happened to be listening to this one local radio station, but, hell, this is a fun story for fun's sake, and i don't have any problem leaving it at that. It wasn't written to change the world, just to make people smile, and it definitely achieved its purpose as far as i'm concerned. I giggled out loud at "all my skeletons are tastefully arranged on my front lawn." I think i enjoyed it more because it was read aloud than if i had read it on a page.
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« Reply #45 on: March 24, 2011, 11:39:36 PM »

Looks like I'm first to not have a great opinion of this one. The story was banal, and the "hit the reset button and make everybody forget" ending was a cheap cop-out. Boo.

Yes.  My overall feeling was "meh".  Banal is an excellent description.  A silly, pointless story.  I didn't hate it enough to to stop listening, but I really wanted it it hurry up and get to end where it finally revealed what was really happening.  I knew that was going to be the plot flow.  I am not amused by bombastic talk radio hosts so all the lead in was simply dragging out the sci fi conclusion.  It's definately not my cup of tea, but that does appear to be a minority opinion around here.
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« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2011, 05:49:39 PM »

I liked the story -- I saw the alien invasion coming from the beginning, though.  And that was part of the fun.  Hints of War of the Worlds, etc.

The narrator did a good job with all the different voices.  The radio host seemed a little too mellow, though.  I would have thought he would be more excited.

The only question I have about this one is the volume levels.  I'm not an audio engineer, so maybe someone can help me figure out what to do.  When the host was talking his voice was very dynamic and would rise and fall.  Turned the volume up some.  When the callers came on whatever filter was used on the voice made it almost unintelligible for me. Since I was listening in the car I turned my ipod and the stereo all the way up to max volume just to be able to hear the softer parts of his speech. Then the volume would rise again and sound blown out.  So I would turn it down and then I couldn't hear anything.  I know I wasn't in the ideal environment, but is there some way to fix this before I listen to it?
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« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2011, 12:40:34 PM »


The only question I have about this one is the volume levels.  I'm not an audio engineer, so maybe someone can help me figure out what to do.  When the host was talking his voice was very dynamic and would rise and fall.  Turned the volume up some.  When the callers came on whatever filter was used on the voice made it almost unintelligible for me. Since I was listening in the car I turned my ipod and the stereo all the way up to max volume just to be able to hear the softer parts of his speech. Then the volume would rise again and sound blown out.  So I would turn it down and then I couldn't hear anything.  I know I wasn't in the ideal environment, but is there some way to fix this before I listen to it?

I was listening in a relatively quiet environment with my headphones so I didn't have any trouble with the sound effects, but it does make sense that the extra car and traffic noises would have made the callers-in pretty hard to hear. These types of effects are relatively rare on Escape Pod though, so I wouldn't be too worried about having these difficulties on a regular basis. Are you able to save ones like this for when you can listen in a more quiet environment?
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« Reply #48 on: March 28, 2011, 11:10:24 AM »

I liked the story -- I saw the alien invasion coming from the beginning, though.  And that was part of the fun.  Hints of War of the Worlds, etc.

The narrator did a good job with all the different voices.  The radio host seemed a little too mellow, though.  I would have thought he would be more excited.

The only question I have about this one is the volume levels.  I'm not an audio engineer, so maybe someone can help me figure out what to do.  When the host was talking his voice was very dynamic and would rise and fall.  Turned the volume up some.  When the callers came on whatever filter was used on the voice made it almost unintelligible for me. Since I was listening in the car I turned my ipod and the stereo all the way up to max volume just to be able to hear the softer parts of his speech. Then the volume would rise again and sound blown out.  So I would turn it down and then I couldn't hear anything.  I know I wasn't in the ideal environment, but is there some way to fix this before I listen to it?

I've had that trouble before with other podcasts, as I do usually listen over the car stereo on my commute.  But this one I happened to listen to while doing chores around the house instead.
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« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2011, 03:21:32 PM »

The only question I have about this one is the volume levels.  I'm not an audio engineer, so maybe someone can help me figure out what to do.  When the host was talking his voice was very dynamic and would rise and fall.  Turned the volume up some.  When the callers came on whatever filter was used on the voice made it almost unintelligible for me. Since I was listening in the car I turned my ipod and the stereo all the way up to max volume just to be able to hear the softer parts of his speech. Then the volume would rise again and sound blown out.  So I would turn it down and then I couldn't hear anything.  I know I wasn't in the ideal environment, but is there some way to fix this before I listen to it?

That's actually a pretty accurate representation of some talk shows.
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« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2011, 04:28:01 AM »

The ending, however, creates a bit of a problem. Yes the "sound" may erase memory but what about electronic memory? In this modern age of computers and terabyte hard drives, most radio shows are taped in case the station has to defend themselves from the FCC; for their fans as well so that they can listen on their MP3 players. All it'll take is someone plugging in to their RSS feed one morning and suddenly the secret's out.

Some others already anticipated my answer to this, which is: any recording would also have the memory-erasing sound.  I honestly believe that anyone listening to this for the first time couldn't resist listening to the entire thing and thereby hearing the sound; and, thanks to that sound, every time one listens to it is the first time...

So, the sound engineer who has to check how the show sounds before it goes out on podcast is going to be in for a long night then?
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« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2011, 05:59:44 AM »

The ending, however, creates a bit of a problem. Yes the "sound" may erase memory but what about electronic memory? In this modern age of computers and terabyte hard drives, most radio shows are taped in case the station has to defend themselves from the FCC; for their fans as well so that they can listen on their MP3 players. All it'll take is someone plugging in to their RSS feed one morning and suddenly the secret's out.

Some others already anticipated my answer to this, which is: any recording would also have the memory-erasing sound.  I honestly believe that anyone listening to this for the first time couldn't resist listening to the entire thing and thereby hearing the sound; and, thanks to that sound, every time one listens to it is the first time...

So, the sound engineer who has to check how the show sounds before it goes out on podcast is going to be in for a long night then?

More than likely no one would check it as it went out to the podcast. In many stations that's all automated. I thought the show was a good attempt since now we know there was substantial time pressure on the production. One thing that annoyed me was that the host really didn't have the apparent drive or bombast required in the delivery. From the way he described himself at the intro I would have expected a Jim Rome sports guy delivery, that is important. Stingers and liners would have added some verisimilitude as well. Finally some audio processing overall - some compression and limiting would have made it sound more -radio if carefully done and would have evened out the levels. Given the ending to me it sounded pretty light weight to make it onto escape pod but a fair attempt.

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« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2011, 06:12:03 AM »


So, the sound engineer who has to check how the show sounds before it goes out on podcast is going to be in for a long night then?

More than likely no one would check it as it went out to the podcast. In many stations that's all automated...

Frell! There goes the image of someone perpetually editing the same soundclips over and over.
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« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2011, 08:41:03 AM »

From the way he described himself at the intro I would have expected a Jim Rome sports guy delivery, that is important. Stingers and liners would have added some verisimilitude as well. Finally some audio processing overall - some compression and limiting would have made it sound more -radio if carefully done and would have evened out the levels. Given the ending to me it sounded pretty light weight to make it onto escape pod but a fair attempt.

-Radio engineer since 1979
And now for another round of "Behind the Scenes at Escape Pod"... Wink

There were a lot of things we could have done to make it sound more radio-ish, but EP has a strict policy about over-producing. The goal is to be storytellers, not story-producers. Even adding the filter to the calls was questioned before it was done, but it was rightly decided that it was key to separating the callers from the host.

You're not at all wrong, so don't take this as me knee-jerking back at you. I think this has been mentioned before, but in case that's a personal delusion I just wanted to make sure people knew why we handled it the way we did.

Now back to your regularly scheduled forum. The time will be 8:30 at the tone... {beeeeeep}





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« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2011, 08:45:10 AM »

A sly person could use a recording of this as a weapon.  If they were taking notes as they went, they could have written down clues like "memory erasure sounds?" and then when their memory got wiped the note would remain.  If they then clipped the recording down to that sound then they could wear heavy earphones to block out the noise and play it on speakers to erase anyone's memory--Men in Black style.
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« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2011, 01:47:42 PM »

This is basically how I first seduced my wife, except instead of a special sound I used rohypnol instead.
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« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2011, 02:52:47 PM »

This is basically how I first seduced my wife, except instead of a special sound I used rohypnol instead.

d00d... Tee-em-eye. SRSLY. Lips sealed
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« Reply #57 on: April 03, 2011, 01:47:47 AM »

...From the way he described himself at the intro I would have expected a Jim Rome sports guy delivery, that is important. Stingers and liners would have added some verisimilitude as well. Finally some audio processing overall - some compression and limiting would have made it sound more -radio if carefully done and would have evened out the levels. Given the ending to me it sounded pretty light weight to make it onto escape pod but a fair attempt.

I'm happy about the level of production on this episode, personally - there were a few flubs where the callers' voices weren't processed or where the host's voice was, but they weren't too bad. The main issue that I have with this story is the reading. I agree with Langly that it should have been read in more of a Morning Talk-style voice - the kind of guy that you tune in to to hear him being mean and sarcastic on the radio. Although I liked the narrator, I don't feel like his reading gave the radio host the teeth that he should have had. It took me a few sittings to get through this story because of it.

Aside from that, I really enjoyed the story itself - an interesting concept!
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« Reply #58 on: April 07, 2011, 01:49:35 AM »

I thought this was fun!
And I'm with birdless, I also laughed out loud at the skeletons on the front lawn line...

I giggled out loud at "all my skeletons are tastefully arranged on my front lawn."
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« Reply #59 on: April 07, 2011, 03:14:44 PM »

This story was clever and fun, but certainly more form than substance. For a SF podcast, the radio format is an obvious match, and it kept the tone close enough to reality, even if it was not pitch perfect. I had Jeff Bridges in the beginning of 'Fisher King' in my head (excuuuuuuuse me). Any way, the story didn't really go anywhere unexpected (aliens are so obvious), and it is a challenge to tell a story by means of pure exposition in an exciting way. The gradual reveal was OK, but didn't exactly have me on the edge of the seat. I think if there had been more than one phenomena or at least some kind of development in the outer world, it would have been more interesting.
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