So, if you kidnap someone and drag them into your bedroom unobserved to torture and murder them, society must wait for you to leave your bedroom before arresting you? Even if they know very well what you're planning and they know they can stop you if they just step in?
I wasn't talking about cases where someone is saying you're doing something wrong. I was talking about cases where someone is *actually* doing something wrong. I agree with you that people have a right to privacy in their bedroom. I also agree that hearsay shouldn't be a good enough reason to violate that right. But I don't agree that the right to privacy is inviolable, if there is independent credible evidence that it needs to be violated for the sake of others.
Also, and this is very important, the question, interpreted literally, didn't ask what are the boundaries of what the state is allowed to *do* about what goes on in the bedroom. I was just pointing out that I may be doing stuff in the bedroom that is the state's business. That's not the same as saying that the state has carte blanche to do what they want.
The question was "What goes on in a private bedroom between consenting adults is no business of the state."
To me, I think "Yes, the state has no right to regulate what I'm doing in my bedroom with another consenting adult." I'm reading this as a question specifically about all the flavors of sex and sexual activity. Mostly this due to the proceeding and succeeding questions which also are about sex. Last time I checked, kidnapping and murder are not activities that take place between two consenting adults regardless of the place. Torture... well if you are counting BDSM as torture, then I guess we can count that as an activity between two consenting adults.
I guess the problem comes down to how far you want to read into the the question. Me, I'm reading "if two consenting people want to engage in hetreo or homosexual activities or even do some wild deviant things to each other in private, they should have the right to do so--provided, of course, both parties are consenting adults."
I wholehearted agree with you when you say " I don't agree that the right to privacy is inviolable, if there is independent credible evidence that it needs to be violated for the sake of others." I especially agrre when someone has violated my privacy or the privacy of my loved ones and carried them off to murder and non-consentingly torture them. Then I believe in violating every right of the person that dared to trespass over my/mine rights. I'm a pacifist, but after a certain point I believe that sometimes you just have to kill the rabid dog.
Making a bomb, conspiracy, kidnap, murder, things that are specifically illegal, dangerous and horrific... these activities could take place in a bedroom. There could be consenting adults present (and dependent on the activity, a non-consenting person) and we could probably make a huge list of things that can be done in a bedroom, but I think this isn't what the 'spirit' of the question is about. It feels like reading into the question beyond sexual connotations is going too far. Yet, I can see and understand how you(generic you, not specifically you) could continually read between the lines of the question and make a list of all the crazy stuff consenting people can do in a bedroom.
In the end, when it comes to privacy I believe that there are certain rights any human being should be allowed. However, I also believe that when you violate the rights of others, you then forfeit your own rights. Society runs best when ALL people follow the laws and norms. The break downs occur when people attempt to live above the law or outside of the law. I also think society runs best when government does not try to regulate every little thing its citizens do and the citizens take the responsibility for their own actions. To me, that would be a perfect world, but alas, that will never happen.
Also, I just had some cheesecake and damn it was awesome.