Author Topic: Split thread: The Landholders No Longer Carry Swords – politics  (Read 20122 times)

danooli

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put that in your pipe and smoke it, lefties (oh wait, you don't have pipes, because you're all hippies)

hippies have different types of pipes  ;)

and kibitzer...you are too cool for posting that graph!  thank you!



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Harumph! I object to being compared to a hippie! Bunch of spoiled children having a tantrum. I believe in social progress, not taking a hit and banging a tambourine. Tambourines never solved anything.

...and give me some of that cheesecake. I'm starving.

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put that in your pipe and smoke it, lefties (oh wait, you don't have pipes, because you're all hippies)

hippies have different types of pipes  ;)

touche.

they're allowed that kind of pipe, but i silently disapprove.


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Harumph! I object to being compared to a hippie! Bunch of spoiled children having a tantrum. I believe in social progress, not taking a hit and banging a tambourine. Tambourines never solved anything.

...and give me some of that cheesecake. I'm starving.

Sure! But first you have to agree to my political agenda! I used to use Kool-aid, but no one likes it anymore and backs away way too fast.

My cheesecake, it brings all the people to the yard!

I'm not evil. I'm corporate.


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Well it's not better than mine!

...wait...

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kbitzer's (awesome) graph is only representing the lower left quadrant of the full graph, because that's where everyone's scores fell. so technically the exact center would be the upper right corner of his graph, making Spindaddy and Bdoomed the most "center" of those graphed. :)

But what makes that place the "center"?  The person(s) who designed the test called that "center" and put it in the middle of the graph, but why that place?  You could draw the graph any way you wanted and each time there'd be a different center.  There's nothing objectively "center" about that middle point on the test's graph.  That's what I'm saying.  No matter what graph you draw, you're forcing a particular center to appear, "center" is not inherent in the actual data, it's an artifact of a particular interpretation.

Okay, now I see better what you were getting at. Based on the website's graph of various political leaders (historical and recent), it looks like they've simply made the various extremes determine the boundaries of the graph and thus the center is defined by the breadth of left and right over the past 100 years or so. This strikes me as a fairly useful rubric because no one period of right- or left-leaning should be enough to shift the entire graph.

However, I'm guessing you might argue that 100 years is still a relatively limited time frame, and I agree that it would be interesting to see if adding the major political leaders of known empires would change the graph at all. For instance, where would Julius Caesar and King John of England (who was forced to sign the Magna Carta) fall on this graph? Which begs the question, do we really know enough about some of the historical leaders to accurately place them, and does the concept of right and left even apply to the politics of their time?


There's nothing objectively "center" about, say, not totally agreeing with Rs or Ds. In, say, a climate where the right-leaning bit of the sample has shifted way, way to the right, "I don't totally agree with either side, I go right down the middle" actually puts one further right than this graph would call "center."   

I'm just saying, "center" with no other points of reference (opinion is split between R and D, score on the political compass test, in relation to a good sample of the population of whatever country you vote in, whatever) is meaningless.

Well, as Iamafish has reminded us, just because the center of our graph is falling to the left of the graph's center, that doesn't mean we are proving the rubric to be at fault. I know plenty of people who would fall squarely in the upper right quadrant, whose scores would serve to balance ours and place the center back in the center of the graph.



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Was considering putting some worlds leaders on there, per the original site, just for comparison...


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Do it! I'm curious how I compare to Stalin. I've been compared.

Long story...

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Well, I come back for a little trip up the coast and now I've gotta eat the crow. So Electric Paladin's actually leftier (or graphically speaking, southier?) than Anna. My bad.

Mmmmmm, tasty crow, if a bit crunchy.


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...who builds bombs in their bedroom, anyway?
 ???


No kidding. That's what the basement is for. That way it blows up the WHOLE house when your stupid homemade piece of crap goes off....

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Ok, so, for what it's worth, I'm slightly below Gandhi and the Dalai Lama on Anarchy/Libertarianism ... which comes as a surprise to me...

Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56

There were some questions I did not agree with that I thought I could not answer fairly (the biggest being those who can work should not expect help from society; regardless of what *I* feel, I'm pretty sure that's how my society feels)...



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Not sure how I didn't end up more towards the commie side.  Probably disagree/strong disagree.

Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.05

Strongly pro-equality, pro-minority, pro-gay, pro-women.  
Strongly anti-corporation, anti-religion.  

Do not get me started on the effects lobbyists and corporations have had on the US government on a town, state, and federal level.  I get very, very angry, and will use many bad words, some of which do not exist yet.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2011, 08:13:15 PM by Gamercow »

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Do not get me started on the effects lobbyists and corporations have had on the US government on a town, state, and federal level.  I get very, very angry, and will use many bad words, some of which do not exist yet.

Those snorflcot argelflat shindamble orfroms! I'd like to turpistl their cambles and gorwaffle their horblabs. The gnerbs.

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This question bothered me: 
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There is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment.

If you're talking about passing off propagandist looney-toonism as news *coughFOXcough*, I strongly agree.  If you're talking about educational shows that are both informational and educational, then I strongly disagree. 

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Also this one:
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An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Are they talking about the modern interpretation of this, that it is right to murder someone in response to someone else getting murdered, or the ancient interpretation that a punishment should fit the crime?

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My thoughts on this question:
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All people have their rights, but it is better for all of us that different sorts of people should keep to their own kind.

"Can you imagine what food would be like if this was the case?  The horrors!"

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Updated with monkey and cow's scores. I tried to add political leaders but apparently my LibreOffice Calc-fu just isn't good enough.


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Allrighty. Well I've waited long enough to return to this thread that I no longer remember my scores.  ::)
That being said, I know I was economically +1.6 ish, and the other one I was -1.6 ish. So. There.
Honestly, I think my scores will wiggle given what has been going on in my life. If I've paid my taxes recently (yesterday- I'm self-employed, Its irritating sometimes). If a patient has recently been unbelievably rude to me when I know they are actually not going to pay me. If a patient has blamed me for not being able to fix some huge problem that is entirely or at least the majority their fault. If I had a totally wonderful incredibly ill patient that I could not do enough for....my occupation lives at the crossroads. I stand there, look both ways and realize that no matter how I step, I will be hit by a semi-truck, and that I have to cross the road.

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Updated for FireTurtle (as promised!), who bravely sides with iamafish.

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« Last Edit: August 15, 2011, 11:57:04 AM by kibitzer »



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no alone anymore!!!! yaaaay

i'm still waiting for the underground group of libertarians to rise up and challenge you socialist to a fight to the death.

I could be waiting a while.


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Reply #70 on: September 29, 2011, 03:51:20 AM
Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but i'm busy catching up after an extended absence from this most awesome of forums (most of whom i suspect i will not be politically compatible with—thank God there's more to life than politics; I think this forum alone is proof that the arts need to exist; it gives us a space in which to civilly discuss our differences and similarities), and this is a fascinating thread! So anyway, I'm still taking this test. I'm very annoyed that there is no "I don't know" or "I don't care" button. Also, some of these questions are egregiously unclear: what constitutes a "religious value," for instance? 'Thou shalt not kill' could be considered a religious value, not merely a social value (that's an extreme, I admit, but still… I can't say equivocally that all "religious" values don't have social value). Stay tuned… let me finish this thing…



Interesting results (to me):
Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.05



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Reply #71 on: October 03, 2011, 07:48:06 AM
Updated for birdless! And also: bigger and maybe a little clearer.