Author Topic: PC170: Five Ways Jane Austen Never Died  (Read 14565 times)

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Reply #25 on: August 31, 2011, 12:14:32 AM
I don't think you need to have read Jane Austen to understand any of the stories. But I think it might be required to appreciate the author whom Samantha Henderson clearly loves.

God, that sounds really pretentious; let try to explain.

Austen is one of the those people like Van Gogh or Marilyn Monroe or James Dean or all the 27 year old rock stars who did themselves in (one way or another) whose fans felt they died much too soon and did not live up the fame and potential they should have; I think that's what really fuels this story.

(Full Disclosure: I think that five good novels - according to some though clearly not all readers in English - which are beloved of readers and critics and have been highly influential IS living up to your potential, but that Austen should lived longer and have been more feted than she was).



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Reply #26 on: August 31, 2011, 12:29:58 AM
Nitpick of the Week...

Shanghai wasn't opened to Western ships until a good 25 years after Jane Austen died.

However she died....    ;)

Aha! But in this reality, it was!

Yes, that was it. Of course. Very, um, subtle of me.  (hides)



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Reply #27 on: August 31, 2011, 02:14:27 PM
Of course my favorite way was when her descendant came back in time and killed her, but that's clearly more Escapepod, isn't it? ;-)

I think this would have been much more difficult a short story to read than it is to listen to.  It would have been broken up in to such short 'chapters' with each of the ways that Jane Austen died, it would likely have felt choppy or disjointed.  The reading seems to give it more clarity and the breaks feel more natural.

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Reply #28 on: September 01, 2011, 10:49:26 PM
Well, that was..umm...

Okay, I didn't get it. I guess we got warned in the intro that the only thing the vignettes had in common was death and Jane Austin, but for some reason, I kept trying to figure out if the second vignette was supposed to be in the future of the first vignette, and how all of it had to do with the idol, and by the time I realized that none of the vignettes were actually related to each other, I was already on the fifth vignette, whereupon I said "Screw it...I give up..."

The only reason I listened all the way through because of Amal. YAYYYY AMAL! But other than that...meh.

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Reply #29 on: September 02, 2011, 10:41:39 PM
Admin: Moved some off topic threads about Alan Moore over to the Gallimaufry board.  Not because I think it really threatened to derail discussion, but because I think we really needed a thread to talk about Alan Moore and his awesome scariness.



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Reply #30 on: September 03, 2011, 03:54:54 AM
Admin: Moved some off topic threads about Alan Moore over to the Gallimaufry board.  Not because I think it really threatened to derail discussion, but because I think we really needed a thread to talk about Alan Moore and his awesome scariness.

Restoring my comment on the story proper, then:

Did not see the point of this story at all. Five vignettes that went nowhere.

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Reply #31 on: September 07, 2011, 03:41:29 PM
Okay, I didn't get it. I guess we got warned in the intro that the only thing the vignettes had in common was death and Jane Austin, but for some reason, I kept trying to figure out if the second vignette was supposed to be in the future of the first vignette, and how all of it had to do with the idol, and by the time I realized that none of the vignettes were actually related to each other...

That.

That's why the first vignette was my favorite.

Overall... not my thing. Maybe because I've never read any Jane Austen books or seen the filmed adaptations.

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Reply #32 on: September 14, 2011, 04:48:31 PM
Okay, I am a big Jane Austen fan. I've read every book (including The Annotated Pride and Prejudice, which is fabulous if you are into history) and seen every movie version of everything available. I even know a little bit about her life, which is all there is to know because she had her sister burn all her personal papers after her death.  

That said, I still have no idea how or why any of these vignettes related to Jane Austen. They could just as easily have been about any other female(s) from that time period.

I would have enjoyed these much more without the superfluous name dropping.



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Reply #33 on: November 15, 2011, 04:33:52 PM



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Reply #34 on: November 16, 2011, 02:58:56 PM
I don't get the appeal of this one.

It might be because I don't know the first thing about Austen or any of her books.  It seemed like it was very dependent on being an Austen-o-phile.  I can't say that I dislike Austen's writing because I've never read any of it, but none of it sounds even slightly appealing either.  I expect I'll read it at some point, filing that under the heading "Wanting to find out what all the fuss is about" but it'd be near the bottom of my substantial "to-read" stack.

I got the impression anyway, that the story didn't really need to be about Jane Austen in particular, and if it didn't, then it just seems more like name-dropping in the hopes of increasing the popularity of the story without it actually enhancing the content.

Of the five I enjoyed the 4th one with the vampire sister the best.  As a standalone flash piece, I'd probably say I liked it.  But lumping the five together and presenting it as a single unit hurt them all as far as I'm concerned.  There was some tenuous linkage among them, but nothing that I'd say really adheres them together, so it just ended up losing the flashbang appeal of a quality flash piece and overstayed its welcome beyond the merits of the text. 

By the way, does anyone know what was supposed to be happening in the 5th world, with the attack on the ship?  Is that supposed to refer to anything specific?  Who are the attackers, and why can't she fall into their hands?  A bit and piece here and there reminded me of Frankenstein with the mention of a monster and them being on a boat, but I'm not sure who the army of attackers would be in that case.  The fifth world is the only place where I really got a hint that these stories are truly connected, because she is carrying the cross that an unnamed man had given her.  From that I gathered that the time traveler has been going back in time many repititions to try to save her life, and these 5 were times that he failed to save her from a fate, but then he went back and tried again in a different way, presumably coming before Cassandra started draining her and giving her a cross to preserve her, etc...

I tend to overthink such things, but just thinking about the title drove me a little bit crazy thinking about sets (in the mathematical/logic sense).  Presumably there is exactly one way that Jane Austen died in our world, but the complement of that set is the ways that Jane Austen did not die.  This is an infinite set.  I saw the title many weeks before I listened to the story and so the title had more time to make an impression on me than the rest of it.  "Five Ways Jane Austen Never Died" is less appealing to me than "The Way Jane Austen Died" because it lacks the specificity and reality, and any 5 plucked out of the infinity will make me ask "why these five?".  It kind of reminds me of a line I've seen while critiquing someone's story, that was along the lines of "Candace's sister was as thin as Candace wasn't." Odd wording, and so incredibly non-specific as to be a bit maddening.  Even if we know exactly how thin Candace is, the complement of her thinness is an infinite set.  The same goes here.