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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2012, 07:44:10 PM »
An example is, take the character and put them in a checkout line.  The bill is $12.43.  The character only has a $10.   What do they do?

If my character is Godzilla, I eat the cashier.  However, if my character is the Cookie Monster, I eat the cash register.

If my character is Carrie Linden, what do I do?  Our discussion has focused on the protagonist, but I find it very interesting that this film had no survivors (no producers, no directors, no writers)... except for Carrie.  Possibly because she killed them all off, one by one.  She's the final girl in that sense too.

So maybe the protagonist was lucky that Carrie Linden didn't daub the walls with his blood, once she got him alone in the apartment.

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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2012, 11:10:31 PM »
LGTNWMC  Laugh gently though nose with mouth closed.  Good examples.  I agree that both Godzilla and Cookie Monster are better developed characters than any character in this story.

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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2012, 01:06:32 AM »
No thought provoking ideas here.

I think there is a thought provoking idea here. Again, action isn't always needed.
I could write the final girl in the checkout line. She, as well as the main character, are developed as much as they need to be for the story.

I don't know that Tarantino movies are a great example.  Sure, nothing much may happen in the eating scenes, and nothing much of circumstance might be happening, but never are those scenes presented to the viewer as a complete product.  They are part of a complete product, a product which (knowing Tarantino) involves plenty of action, and probably 3/4 of the cast dying violently.

True, not the best example, but you do have the beginning of Reservoir Dogs, where men in suits are eating at a restaurant. There has been no action, it stands almost entirely outside of the main plot and direction, yet it is absolutely fascinating. True, the audience is anticipating a Tarantino movie the whole time, and that's probably part of it, but there's something to be said in the way Tarantino crafts eating scenes as moments of great intensity and intrigue. (at least for me)

Anyway, I thought the ideas behind this story and its implications on the breaking of diegetic and non-diegetic boundaries were fantastically horrific. It's not my favorite story, but it definitely was interesting and thought-provoking.
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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2012, 09:38:27 PM »
Well, *I* liked this story, anyway.

This is exactly how I felt reading this thread.  I loved this story, and so did my girlfriend who listened to it with me (I think it is her favorite of the year so far, while I've got Burning Servant, Revelation of Cormorants, and This Is Now in competition), and so, when we agreed on it, I expected a glowing forum discussion and found surprising negativity.  Of course no one ever agrees on anything, but wow this was a story that really hit all the right buttons for me and apparently those are less common buttons than I thought.

Scattercat admittedly out analyzed anything I was thinking while listening to the story, although I caught the edges of that line of thinking, but I was practically mesmerized by the fictional movie and its built-up cult status and the implications that it might not have been entirely natural, but I swear I can picture every scene, and I can almost swear I've seen this movie.  I want to see this movie, and I'd probably be a Kaleidophile too. I like to think I'd be more sensitive than the main character, but then again a better-adjusted character wouldn't stalk her to her house and find her in the first place. But the final girl can't ever escape it. The ending image was just as haunting in the story as it was supposed to be in the fiction movie. You wonder if the girl had any knowledge going into this, or if it was just the worst cocaine binge ever and she could never wake up from it.

Of course I probably have a weakness for these type of stories.  I loved "Hometown Horrible" from a few years back and "Flash Frame" by Silvia Moreno-Garcia over on Tales To Terrify #9 and I particularly loved all the "Navidson Record" stuff in "House of Leaves" which is one of my favorite books.
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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2012, 01:53:38 PM »
ThomastheAttorney, your inability to perceive character development or thought-provoking ideas within this story says more about you than it does about the story.

I can think of any number of stories in which the cash register example would return a null result.  At random off the top of my head: Trigun, Game of Thrones (for at least 90% of the hundreds of characters), any Batman comic or movie or television series, the Pseudopod stories for the previous month at least... I could go on.  Are all of those also void of character development? 

In this story, one clear change is this: the protagonist, given the chance to speak with his idol again, would emphatically NOT do so.  That is a difference from before and after he experienced the events of the story.  Have we satisfied your bizarre strictures for documenting "action" and "character movement" in stories?  In doing so, what have we proved, exactly?

It's fine not to like the story.  No one says you have to.  But you seem to feel the need to make your personal distaste into an objective reality by claiming that the story somehow violates the "rules" of "good" writing, and that is an endlessly futile endeavor.
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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2012, 07:05:13 AM »
While I'm generally a sucker for creepy old movie stories, this one left me a bit cold. All the perhaps overly long descriptions that attempted to get me to understand why yet another nudity and violence pic would have such a fascination for the average viewer fell flat due to how familiar much of it sounded. Heck, even really old stuff like Un Chien Andalou contains some of these elements such as an initial opening of shocking violence. Yet most people don't go through such films frame by frame, except maybe in film school.  A lot of people yawn through such stuff, so I was left still wondering what would have made this particular film so truly fascinating for average viewers not looking for something to fixate on and without a thing for violence.

At the same time, the story goes out of its way to emphasize the almost universal fascination it has for people and how both men and women gather together in stadiums to watch the film, so that seemed to get in the way of the whole "male gaze" version of an explanation for where the story was headed in its emphasis if so much more than just male slasher film fans find the film a marvel. The more unique we are told the film is, the less likely it seems that the story is such a general, and familiar, criticism of common slasher films, especially since the final girl of this film even seems to dismiss the whole idea of slasher film theories having any bearing on events.

Not that there is anything wrong with that in itself, that the author may in fact be thumbing her nose a little at the whole train of critical thought about shocker films is perhaps one of the potentially better things about the story.

Another story that deals with similar films in a similar way, though I think to better overall effect, is The Fear, which appeared in one of the Year's Best Horror anthologies edited by Ellen Datlow. It even has the same interview scene with the girl movie victim, though with a different result that I won't spoil.

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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2012, 05:42:22 AM »
I found "The Fear" to be relatively clumsy, honestly.  The inexplicability of the attraction of this film helped rather than hurt it, in my opinion; "The Fear" ended up feeling more like a generic monster piece by the end, whereas "Final Girl Theory" left me really thinking about the meaning of horror films.
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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2012, 01:08:10 PM »
Yeah, I was left thinking that the attraction to the "Kaleidoscope" film was probably not natural and certainly mentally unhealthy.  If the film were real, wouldn't it make sense for it to be supernaturally addictive or at least otherworldly enough that it has some inexplicable draw?

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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2012, 09:43:51 PM »
Maybe I've missed it amongst all the analysis of the story...but wasn't the audio quality of this story horrendous?  I really couldn't bear to listen to this one without the fan of my car turned all the way up.  There was a persistent buzzing throughout the entire narrated portion.  Surely someone other than myself noticed this?

And yes, I know, the story was ages ago, but maybe the file could still be scrubbed for others who go back and listen to this one sometime?

I actually really enjoyed this story for the most part, btw.
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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2012, 01:39:19 PM »
Maybe I've missed it amongst all the analysis of the story...but wasn't the audio quality of this story horrendous?  I really couldn't bear to listen to this one without the fan of my car turned all the way up.  There was a persistent buzzing throughout the entire narrated portion.  Surely someone other than myself noticed this?

And yes, I know, the story was ages ago, but maybe the file could still be scrubbed for others who go back and listen to this one sometime?

I actually really enjoyed this story for the most part, btw.

It's been a while since I listened, but I don't recall having a problem with the audio, even while picking up sticks. 

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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2012, 10:20:06 PM »
Maybe I've missed it amongst all the analysis of the story...but wasn't the audio quality of this story horrendous?  I really couldn't bear to listen to this one without the fan of my car turned all the way up.  There was a persistent buzzing throughout the entire narrated portion.  Surely someone other than myself noticed this?

And yes, I know, the story was ages ago, but maybe the file could still be scrubbed for others who go back and listen to this one sometime?

I actually really enjoyed this story for the most part, btw.

It's been a while since I listened, but I don't recall having a problem with the audio, even while picking up sticks. 
Hmmm, maybe they put it in there like a dog whistle that only I can hear?  It was pretty migraine inducing...at first I thought it was some kind of weird effect added to give the story something extra....
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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2012, 06:04:47 AM »
Maybe I've missed it amongst all the analysis of the story...but wasn't the audio quality of this story horrendous?  I really couldn't bear to listen to this one without the fan of my car turned all the way up.  There was a persistent buzzing throughout the entire narrated portion.  Surely someone other than myself noticed this?

And yes, I know, the story was ages ago, but maybe the file could still be scrubbed for others who go back and listen to this one sometime?

I actually really enjoyed this story for the most part, btw.

It's been a while since I listened, but I don't recall having a problem with the audio, even while picking up sticks. 
Hmmm, maybe they put it in there like a dog whistle that only I can hear?  It was pretty migraine inducing...at first I thought it was some kind of weird effect added to give the story something extra....
Possibly a connection issue? Some kind of interference between the mp3 player and the speakers?
I'd like to hear my options, so I could weigh them, what do you say?
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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2012, 06:01:51 PM »
Maybe I've missed it amongst all the analysis of the story...but wasn't the audio quality of this story horrendous?  I really couldn't bear to listen to this one without the fan of my car turned all the way up.  There was a persistent buzzing throughout the entire narrated portion.  Surely someone other than myself noticed this?

And yes, I know, the story was ages ago, but maybe the file could still be scrubbed for others who go back and listen to this one sometime?

I actually really enjoyed this story for the most part, btw.
The file on the website sounds the same to me.  As well as the iTunes file.

It's been a while since I listened, but I don't recall having a problem with the audio, even while picking up sticks. 
Hmmm, maybe they put it in there like a dog whistle that only I can hear?  It was pretty migraine inducing...at first I thought it was some kind of weird effect added to give the story something extra....
Possibly a connection issue? Some kind of interference between the mp3 player and the speakers?
I used the same file that is being played on both the website and is on iTunes.  I've used multiple devices...the problem is not on my end, I'm pretty sure....
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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2012, 12:22:19 AM »
Maybe I've missed it amongst all the analysis of the story...but wasn't the audio quality of this story horrendous?  I really couldn't bear to listen to this one without the fan of my car turned all the way up.  There was a persistent buzzing throughout the entire narrated portion.  Surely someone other than myself noticed this?

And yes, I know, the story was ages ago, but maybe the file could still be scrubbed for others who go back and listen to this one sometime?

I'll check it out.

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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2012, 02:24:38 PM »
Hmmm, maybe they put it in there like a dog whistle that only I can hear?  It was pretty migraine inducing...at first I thought it was some kind of weird effect added to give the story something extra....

Could be!  No idea why it would be such a different listening experience.  I hope it gets sorted out one way or the other!

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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2012, 08:34:43 PM »
I loved this one. One of my favorites of the year.

Especially since this movie sounds like the kind of tortureporn flick that is pretty much the only subgenre of movies that I categorically avoid.

I took it as something similar to a Dario Argento flick. Maybe an exploitation film. Something with more art than budget. Something that transcends just being gooshy. I think this story was written by and aimed at (horror) cinephiles. This reminds me that the art house theater is showing Suspiria this weekend.

I was annoyed that the title was never expanded upon within the body of the story.  Scattercat's explanation makes sense, but the fact that I had to come to the forum to find out what the theory refers to means that, to me, the choice of the title is an epic fail.  And even scattercat's explanation gives the general idea but it's still not really clear what the "theory" is here.

I'm not quite certain I can support the "epic fail" claim. The whole story is predicated on arty interpretation and layers. Titles can be another place to add a layer, and they chose to do so here. Also, the voice of the story was speaking as if to other horror aficionados, so specialized terms for analyzing horror wouldn't need to be explained.
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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2013, 03:00:33 AM »
Of course I probably have a weakness for these type of stories.  I loved "Hometown Horrible" from a few years back and "Flash Frame" by Silvia Moreno-Garcia over on Tales To Terrify #9 and I particularly loved all the "Navidson Record" stuff in "House of Leaves" which is one of my favorite books.

I've got that same weakness. Any story that describes a fictional film, TV show, or book I'm almost guaranteed to love. Those are all great examples. Stories by Borges also come to mind.
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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2013, 03:10:37 AM »
The author's own response to having this story air on Pseudopod was to post a long, fictional interview about Kaleidoscope on her blog, so PP readers following this thread should have a look.  It's the June 22, 2012 entry, for anyone picking up on this thread when it is no longer fresh.

Here's something interesting and weird. The fictional interview (also well-written and creepy) is called "Bucklin Mills, Bury Me":

http://www.acwise.net/?p=1011#respond

It talks about a woman found murdered in the town of Bucklin Mills. The dead woman has writing on the backs of her hands that says "Bury. Me." and her hands are placed over her eyes. I used to have this old R.E.M. poster:



Just a little bit of insight into what the author was staring at when she was writing that fake interview.

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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2013, 11:33:50 PM »
ug;h

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Re: Pseudopod 287: Final Girl Theory
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2013, 11:35:30 PM »
ug;h

And you necroed the thread for this why, exactly?
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