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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2013, 08:53:42 AM »

There exists a helpful resource called the rating system. EA 'casts have always used them with great discretion and success, and I respectfully request that the editors continue to do so. For example, a "rated R for language" would have been infinitely appropriate here.


Ehh, the story was irreverent and reasonably funny. I think it was quite successful in what it set out to do, it just happens that brand of humor isn't really my thing. I did think it was hilarious that the aliens noted the band members had "gotten old" as if that was a) avoidable and b) a crime. Great reading though.

Unfortunately, there does not exist a formalized rating system at EA to my knowledge. Mur made an effort to make mention of things at the beginnings of episodes, and we did talk about a project for formalizing it a long time ago, but it never developed. I will take the heat for this one because I've probably taken it for granted as something the editor handles and I didn't give it the right attention post-transition. I did manage to get an EXPLICIT tag on the file itself and the post on the site says "Rated 13+ for rebellious vulgarity," but I did not get it in the audio.

The good news is that my ego loves reasons to put more recordings of my voice on things, and therefore I will take it upon myself to start recording & saving warnings that I can use at the beginning and hopefully it won't be long before I have a tag for all occasions. Fair enough?
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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2013, 09:04:38 AM »

I liked this story. It made me smile and laugh and was generally rather fun.
Yes, the people in the story are shallower than that puddle of beer on the bar.
Yes they are more vulgar than a college fraternity portrayed by Hollywood.
But you know what? They stuck it to the Man and turned out to be right.
Someone has already posited that the reason why aliens have not visited the Earth is because they find us backward/boring/a disease/whatever. Well, in the story's world it's true. Only someone did something about it.

Also, I'm pretty sure that this was all meant to be sarcasm and parody, so....
I enjoyed it and that's what counts (for me).

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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2013, 09:19:33 AM »

There exists a helpful resource called the rating system. EA 'casts have always used them with great discretion and success, and I respectfully request that the editors continue to do so. For example, a "rated R for language" would have been infinitely appropriate here.


Ehh, the story was irreverent and reasonably funny. I think it was quite successful in what it set out to do, it just happens that brand of humor isn't really my thing. I did think it was hilarious that the aliens noted the band members had "gotten old" as if that was a) avoidable and b) a crime. Great reading though.

Unfortunately, there does not exist a formalized rating system at EA to my knowledge. Mur made an effort to make mention of things at the beginnings of episodes, and we did talk about a project for formalizing it a long time ago, but it never developed. I will take the heat for this one because I've probably taken it for granted as something the editor handles and I didn't give it the right attention post-transition. I did manage to get an EXPLICIT tag on the file itself and the post on the site says "Rated 13+ for rebellious vulgarity," but I did not get it in the audio.

The good news is that my ego loves reasons to put more recordings of my voice on things, and therefore I will take it upon myself to start recording & saving warnings that I can use at the beginning and hopefully it won't be long before I have a tag for all occasions. Fair enough?

I'd call that more than fair enough! Thanks Mat!
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« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2013, 09:22:05 AM »

I must preface this by saying that I've been cruising blithely and happily along with Escape Pod for... probably about half a year or more. Many stories I have loved, some I was indifferent on. None of them prompted me with any thoughts worth posting to the forums.

This one did prompt a thought, and I find myself bursting until I share it here.

Put simply: "Yuck."

I get that it's satire. I don't even really have a problem with all the cursing. I get what it's going for, at least I think so.

I suppose that I'm just not punk or hardcore enough like the characters to enjoy their story.

Me, I have some different one-word descriptors of the characters.

"Jerks" if I'm feeling generous. "Assholes" if I feel like being accurate.

Truly, who is the reader supposed to identify with if they're not a "screw everyone and everything" personality?

And even those who ended up selling out were, truly, about two inches deep as people.

I would have no desire to spend two minutes with these people in real life. I can't believe I spent 20 minutes with them in this story.

Sorry, guys, this one was a miss in my book.

(Sigh, once again Mat Weller and I have different opinions. Ah, well, someday we'll agree. Smiley   )

On the plus side, I enjoyed Alasdair's essay - I might just have to check out his book.

-Adam

I had to go back and look at the rating, 'thirteen for rebellious vulgarity'- ruddy Nora! I'm with Adam pretty much. I see what it's trying to do and that it stayed in character the whole way through (as did the episode feedback - good theatre but hoping N is channelling someone a little more agreeable again next time) and that it's supposed to be vile. Well, it succeeded - it was indeed vile, and I'm the one got a telling off for being a bit too sweary in the EP flash comp!
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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2013, 09:26:20 AM »

There exists a helpful resource called the rating system. EA 'casts have always used them with great discretion and success, and I respectfully request that the editors continue to do so. For example, a "rated R for language" would have been infinitely appropriate here.


Ehh, the story was irreverent and reasonably funny. I think it was quite successful in what it set out to do, it just happens that brand of humor isn't really my thing. I did think it was hilarious that the aliens noted the band members had "gotten old" as if that was a) avoidable and b) a crime. Great reading though.

Unfortunately, there does not exist a formalized rating system at EA to my knowledge. Mur made an effort to make mention of things at the beginnings of episodes, and we did talk about a project for formalizing it a long time ago, but it never developed. I will take the heat for this one because I've probably taken it for granted as something the editor handles and I didn't give it the right attention post-transition. I did manage to get an EXPLICIT tag on the file itself and the post on the site says "Rated 13+ for rebellious vulgarity," but I did not get it in the audio.

The good news is that my ego loves reasons to put more recordings of my voice on things, and therefore I will take it upon myself to start recording & saving warnings that I can use at the beginning and hopefully it won't be long before I have a tag for all occasions. Fair enough?

I'd call that more than fair enough! Thanks Mat!

Yep that would do it. I'm not saying I wouldn't listen, I just like a little bit of consideration in case I really wouldn't. If I'd been a first timer to EP, I might not have been back Sad
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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2013, 02:10:43 PM »

This story had me laughing several times, it was silly at time, almost always ridiculous,  and great.  Loved the way it ended with Red too.
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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2013, 07:24:29 PM »

Ok, Ok, Fuck. I am crying here.

Punk Voyager was awesome. I literally laughed out loud when Bonesaw's real name turned out to be Reginald Bonesaw. My asshole office mates gave me a dirty look, so I punched them in the dicks. Big bonus points to Nancy Reagan for punching the aliens in the dicks. That scene is a gem not to be forgotten.

Once the rocket was made out of beer cans and paper clips, I stopped caring about the scieny whiny stuff. We were in for a ride. Fuck it, sometimes you just need a good fun story.

This is a very strong number 2 against my favorite "Exhalation". Sorry "Conversations with and about my Electric Toothbrush." you're number 3 now. Like it or get punched in the dick.

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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2013, 12:46:10 PM »

Didn't really care for it.  I didn't mind the vulgarity or implausibility, but the characters were all just so annoying.  It felt like a parody written about a punk who was making up a wish-fulfillment story. (I add the parody part because it seems like it's making fun of the punks rather than telling it fully from their point of view).
 
I admit I did laugh out loud at the reveal of Bonesaw's real name.  That was a damned good joke.
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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2013, 01:39:16 PM »

Fuckin' A, man. That is some seriously high-class, top-notch cockpunchery you got going there. Best fuckin' episode in a long-ass time. It seems to be the kind of thing you either really really love or really really hate, depending on if you ever went through a punk phase or not. Obviously I did, and so did Shaenon. This was amazing.
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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2013, 01:44:33 PM »

I didn't mind the cursing in the story, I understand that's the character and that's how he talks.  I also enjoyed the punk aliens, that was really funny how the leaders of the world and the media was trying to get something meaningful out of first contact and it just wasn't there.  It was a hell of a fun story, one of the better one's I've listened too on EP.

But, here is where I had the issue.  The cursing in the story was fine, but did we really need it in the Intro, outro, and comments?  I just didn't seem professional to me and, even if I don't like the story, I at least like how the intro, outros and comments usually fall on the professional side.  I felt I needed to clean my ears when I got home from listening.  I thought I had maybe missed a warning about language at the start but nope, it wasn't there, should have been there but it wasn't.

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« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2013, 02:25:35 PM »

I enjoyed it all, including the in-character episode feedback by Nathaniel Lee, though I sympathize with people who wanted a little more warning and a little respite from the anti-social tendencies of punk.

I'm also kind of obsessed with the Voyager records, which is why my webcomic group is named after it (http://www.voyagercomicsonline.com/) (end plug), so this story hit a nice spot: as fascinating (and frankly, appropriate) as it is that American music is represented by three African-Americans and the Navajo, I can't help but want to send out a copy of Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit."

Though as the first commenter noted, I had trouble imagining Nancy "Just Say No" Reagan as easy-going enough to accept a punch as an acceptable diplomatic act. Maybe Betty Ford or Jackie Kennedy would, but the only First Lady I'd really want to see punch aliens is Eleanor Roosevelt. She'd just wreck 'em.
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« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2013, 03:00:06 PM »

It seems to be the kind of thing you either really really love or really really hate, depending on if you ever went through a punk phase or not.

I dunno.  I loved it to pieces (I was not drafted to read it; I insisted.), and I'm approximately as punk or hard-edge as a Nilla Wafer.  I mean, I've had my CD of The Ramones since I was 12, but I'm really more of a Weird Al guy in general.  My rebellious phase was mostly directed at my peers rather than the authorities.

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I apologize as far as the language; I confess I assumed we'd have a warning in front of the episode just due to the sheer gratuity.  On the flip side, I figured that if someone made it all the way through the story without melting, they'd probably be able to handle an f-bomb in the feedback segment.  :-P
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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2013, 04:32:39 PM »

There exists a helpful resource called the rating system. EA 'casts have always used them with great discretion and success, and I respectfully request that the editors continue to do so. For example, a "rated R for language" would have been infinitely appropriate here.


Ehh, the story was irreverent and reasonably funny. I think it was quite successful in what it set out to do, it just happens that brand of humor isn't really my thing. I did think it was hilarious that the aliens noted the band members had "gotten old" as if that was a) avoidable and b) a crime. Great reading though.

Unfortunately, there does not exist a formalized rating system at EA to my knowledge. Mur made an effort to make mention of things at the beginnings of episodes, and we did talk about a project for formalizing it a long time ago, but it never developed. I will take the heat for this one because I've probably taken it for granted as something the editor handles and I didn't give it the right attention post-transition. I did manage to get an EXPLICIT tag on the file itself and the post on the site says "Rated 13+ for rebellious vulgarity," but I did not get it in the audio.

The good news is that my ego loves reasons to put more recordings of my voice on things, and therefore I will take it upon myself to start recording & saving warnings that I can use at the beginning and hopefully it won't be long before I have a tag for all occasions. Fair enough?

I'd call that more than fair enough! Thanks Mat!

Yep that would do it. I'm not saying I wouldn't listen, I just like a little bit of consideration in case I really wouldn't. If I'd been a first timer to EP, I might not have been back Sad

I don't mind vulgarity personally, but I do often have podcasts playing with my young children around. So it's nice to have a heads up before the first F-bomb falls so I can switch to "Stuff You Should Know" or "Science Friday."
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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2013, 05:01:56 PM »

This was one of my least favorite episodes, ever. Note that I didn't just say "stories," but "episodes." Because I include Norm's intro and Nathan's feedback segment for "Marley and Cratchitt" in my assessment.

The story itself did absolutely nothing for me. It started off with one-dimensional characters I hated behaving like people I can't stand doing things I find useless at best. And they basically kept doing it. And all the nods to 80s personalities got old after about the third one. As someone else said above, it was essentially a one-liner...that went on for 33 minutes. It moved from one predictable scene to the next. The only thing I didn't predict was that only one member of the band left Earth with the predictably punk aliens.

And while I certainly don't mind profanity, it was so over-the-top and pointless, here, that it became grating very fast.

The gratuitous profanity in both the intro and Nathan's segment started off mildly cute and then rapidly sped into off-putting. I get what they were going for, and they succeeded: it captured the same "Fucking fuck you, you fucking fuck! Fuck!" voice as the story. Maybe if it had been a story I actually liked, it wouldn't have made me react so negatively.

I didn't even have the patience to listen to Alasdair's essay because I was just so done with this episode by that point, I scrolled to the end.
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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2013, 09:34:03 AM »

But, here is where I had the issue.  The cursing in the story was fine, but did we really need it in the Intro, outro, and comments?  I just didn't seem professional to me and, even if I don't like the story, I at least like how the intro, outros and comments usually fall on the professional side.  I felt I needed to clean my ears when I got home from listening.  I thought I had maybe missed a warning about language at the start but nope, it wasn't there, should have been there but it wasn't.

I generally like the themed spin in the episode comments at the end, but for me there was too much of a clash between the 80s punk persona and the story that was being feedbacked... fedbeck... something like that.  I'm probably more aware of it because it was my story being fedback.  (That was my first story to have feedback on a podcast, so that was cool nonetheless)
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« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2013, 01:57:54 PM »

I couldn't help imagining Jello Biafra rolling in his grave over this one.  (yes, i know he's not dead yet!)
Of course, wasn't that part of being a punk?  Fun story, did enjoy the way it ended; sell outs need not apply.
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« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2013, 08:31:32 PM »

The story didnt real "do it" for me. I found it entertaining as a sort of "fuck you" to all those science stories with the uber smart people making all the good calls. Kind of like Peeps. Fluffy, funny, maybe a little amusing that they even exist, but probably not really a good idea to eat.

That said, I LOVED the themed outro. I was laughing hysterically in the car as I arrived at work.

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« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2013, 08:35:17 PM »

Haw. He said "cock punching"!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2013, 10:12:08 AM »

Just wanted to pop in and say, I enjoyed the hell out of this story. I thought the scene on the beach, and the constant retreads, was great, but when the aliens landed and cockpunched Reagan and Bush, I burst out laughing and that was it for me. It had a very Wild Stallions vibe going on, but with a punk spin that I found very fun.

I can see how people who didn't like the story were predisposed not to like the feedback (or the rest of Norm's host spot), but I thought Nathan's feedback was hilarious.

(BTW, nice reading, Nathan.)
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« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2013, 02:48:56 AM »

Thanks, Dave!

I know the story was set in California, but somehow, to me, punks all talk like they're from New York/New Jersey.  I was battling my accent instincts all the way through.
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