Escape Artists
The Lounge at the End of the Universe => Gallimaufry => Topic started by: qwints on May 02, 2008, 07:57:15 AM
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Loved the story, but I'm posting for a different reason - I may not be able to listen to escape pod because of Steve's photo.
Bear with me - have you actually ever seen a d.j? No, the reason is, completely independent of looks, it's off-putting to embody a disembodied voice. I've been listening on and off to escape pod for over a year and, as weird as it sounds, Steve Ely is a character as well as a person. I didn't have a concrete image of what that character looked like, but it's very jarring to put a face to a voice after a year or two. Perhaps one reason is the fact that other times I've seen people I regularly listen to, their image is out there.
Further complicating my reaction are the occasionally deeply personal intros of the podcast. There's a weird intimacy level that makes the fact of not having seen a photo weird. Maybe I'm way off base, but seeing the picture changed my perception of the podcast.
I know Steve (and TBH calling him Steve feels weird) has been to tons of conventions, but seeing an image where I've never seen one before still kind of jarred me.
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Loved the story, but I'm posting for a different reason - I may not be able to listen to escape pod because of Steve's photo.
Bear with me - have you actually ever seen a d.j? No, the reason is, completely independent of looks, it's off-putting to embody a disembodied voice. I've been listening on and off to escape pod for over a year and, as weird as it sounds, Steve Ely is a character as well as a person. I didn't have a concrete image of what that character looked like, but it's very jarring to put a face to a voice after a year or two. Perhaps one reason is the fact that other times I've seen people I regularly listen to, their image is out there.
Further complicating my reaction are the occasionally deeply personal intros of the podcast. There's a weird intimacy level that makes the fact of not having seen a photo weird. Maybe I'm way off base, but seeing the picture changed my perception of the podcast.
I know Steve (and TBH calling him Steve feels weird) has been to tons of conventions, but seeing an image where I've never seen one before still kind of jarred me.
I have similar feelings when I see DJs; our local 98 Rock folks have very distinctive voices, and when I saw that they weren't Xena and the King of Queens, but were my mom and Mickey Rooney... it was kind of off-putting.
But in my world, at least, Steve fares better in reality than he did in my mental image... I don't want to say more than that, but let's just say after the experiences of seeing those DJs on TV, I started connecting REALLY awful images to the more charming voices I heard... and Steve is a lot better looking than I had imagined. ;)
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Loved the story, but I'm posting for a different reason - I may not be able to listen to escape pod because of Steve's photo.
Am I the only one who thinks this is just dumb?
Bear with me - have you actually ever seen a d.j?
Yes, seen DJs and other radio personalities as well. I've never had an issue with knowing the face that goes with the voice. Not even after having heard the voice for years and then finally seeing the face.
But whatever ... go ahead and quit listening. Your loss. Nothing to me.
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Loved the story, but I'm posting for a different reason - I may not be able to listen to escape pod because of Steve's photo.
Am I the only one who thinks this is just dumb?
Yeah. I don't care if Steve looks like Charles Manson circa 1973, I listen mostly for the GREAT stories. I would say most people I know look different than their voices would lead me to belive. Who cares?
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I sort of understand the point. Steve certainly doesn't match my mental image of him - For some reason, I'd been thinking of him as a skinnier, taller version of Vincent Price - and it's kind of jarring to find our what he actually looks like.
But, yeah, stopping listening to EP because of it would be overkill.
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See, I always thought it was kinda fun to try to picture the face behind the voice and then see how close or far off I got. While I can't remember the exact details and the when, I can remember the exact feeling of the first time I saw a face behind the voice, and it was completely different than I had imagined. It was jarring. But I found it kinda strangely cool, not disconcerting.
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Loved the story, but I'm posting for a different reason - I may not be able to listen to escape pod because of Steve's photo.
Am I the only one who thinks this is just dumb?
Actually, I was worried it was going to be dumber. So I was kind of pleasantly surprised by the reasoning.
FWIW, I can kind of understand how you feel, qwints. I think that's the power of podcasting -- there's a whole different kind of level of intimacy at play with the medium. I'm constantly surprised when I meet or see pictures of authors. That usually gets me to react like, "Huh. That's not how I pictured this person." And then I go on and keep reading or listening to their stories.
Also, in case we ever meet -- I look nothing like my profile picture. Just sayin' ;)
Edited because jokes sometimes take a minute or more to click in. That's the beauty of the internet.
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Just to be clear, I couldn't actually stop listening to escape pod. My point was that given the intimacy of the medium, seeing a photo felt like a weird invasion of privacy. I was talking about it with my fiance this morning and she mentioned how she just tried to ignore the billboard of Kid Cradick (a morning dj in Dallas). This is in no way meant to give offense, but was merely meant to try and express the feeling I had last night.
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A little late to the party on this one, but I wanted to say that I thoroughly enjoyed the story. I agree with the comments in the main blog thread: it's somehow reminiscent of, but not quite as good as, Friction.
On the posting the photo thread: I understand the jarring effect of seeing the face behind a voice/character. It's similar to one of the reasons the book is usually better than the movie: you get to fill in the visual details exactly how your subconscious wants them to be. It's rare that reality can live up to that. I also completely agree with DKT, the effect is only momentary and then I go on reading/listening.
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On the posting the photo thread: I understand the jarring effect of seeing the face behind a voice/character. It's similar to one of the reasons the book is usually better than the movie: you get to fill in the visual details exactly how your subconscious wants them to be. It's rare that reality can live up to that. I also completely agree with DKT, the effect is only momentary and then I go on reading/listening.
I had no idea people felt this way. Now I'm going to have to dress in a full body giant squid costume next con.
Sweet...
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On the posting the photo thread: I understand the jarring effect of seeing the face behind a voice/character. It's similar to one of the reasons the book is usually better than the movie: you get to fill in the visual details exactly how your subconscious wants them to be. It's rare that reality can live up to that. I also completely agree with DKT, the effect is only momentary and then I go on reading/listening.
I had no idea people felt this way. Now I'm going to have to dress in a full body giant squid costume next con.
Sweet...
But...that's how I always pictured you. ???
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On the posting the photo thread: I understand the jarring effect of seeing the face behind a voice/character. It's similar to one of the reasons the book is usually better than the movie: you get to fill in the visual details exactly how your subconscious wants them to be. It's rare that reality can live up to that. I also completely agree with DKT, the effect is only momentary and then I go on reading/listening.
I had no idea people felt this way. Now I'm going to have to dress in a full body giant squid costume next con.
Sweet...
But...that's how I always pictured you. ???
Really? I thought he was the bus! ;)
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I sort of understand the point. Steve certainly doesn't match my mental image of him - For some reason, I'd been thinking of him as a skinnier, taller version of Vincent Price - and it's kind of jarring to find our what he actually looks like.
I'd listened to about 50 EP episodes before I saw a photo of Steve. I'd pictured him as very skinny and with a shaved head. And possibly facial piercings.
Now that I know what he looks like, I think his face matches his online persona perfectly. For what it's worth.
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I sort of understand the point. Steve certainly doesn't match my mental image of him - For some reason, I'd been thinking of him as a skinnier, taller version of Vincent Price - and it's kind of jarring to find our what he actually looks like.
I'd listened to about 50 EP episodes before I saw a photo of Steve. I'd pictured him as very skinny and with a shaved head. And possibly facial piercings.
Now that I know what he looks like, I think his face matches his online persona perfectly. For what it's worth.
Dunno, but to me Steve always sounded more...curly. ;)
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It's rare that reality can live up to that.
Extreme cases: The guy who plays Elmo. The guy who was the WWF voice (but you never saw him on TV until he played Harvey Whippleman).
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It's rare that reality can live up to that.
Extreme cases: The guy who plays Elmo. The guy who was the WWF voice (but you never saw him on TV until he played Harvey Whippleman).
(http://www.randomhouse.com/broadway/furryredmonster/photos/KC-Portrait-6sm.jpg)
So THAT'S who we have to blame for Elmo... Aw, and he's from Baltimore!?!? I need to find this guy, and Tickle him! :P
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Shoot, now I can't watch Sesame Street. ;)
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Shoot, now I can't watch Sesame Street. ;)
Any other shows you want me to ruin for you? 8)
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It's rare that reality can live up to that.
Extreme cases: The guy who plays Elmo. The guy who was the WWF voice (but you never saw him on TV until he played Harvey Whippleman).
(http://www.randomhouse.com/broadway/furryredmonster/photos/KC-Portrait-6sm.jpg)
So THAT'S who we have to blame for Elmo... Aw, and he's from Baltimore!?!? I need to find this guy, and Tickle him! :P
We have some Sesame Street DVDs that the guy also had a different character of Benny the Rabbit. He was like a Robert Deniro version of Oscar the Grouch. I don't know how Elmo became so popular yet Benny got tossed by the wayside. Shame, really.
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yer all daft!
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For whatever reason, my mental image of Steve Eley was pale and sort of chubby, with a snub nose and black hair. When you think about it, maybe we don't get ideas of what people look like just by their voices; maybe we get them from our schemas of what their names sound like. Like Mur Lafferty turned out to look way more normal than I thought she would, with a name like Mur. Which is a sweet name, don't get me wrong, but made me think of someone with long, curly brown hair and vaguely manly facial features. Kind of like a female version of my mental image of Freddie Mercury before it got shattered.
My brain is weird.
That having been said, I'm not disturbed at having seen a picture of Steve, and I don't think it's an 'invasion of privacy.' It's just... I don't know... normal. Should I be disturbed?
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Huh... this made me realize that, oddly, I didn't really have a mental image for Steve. Maybe I did when I first started listening, but I can't come up with anything now that I've seen the picture. I really don't care what Steve looks like, I'm here because I love the work he does.
This kinda reminds me of something that used to happen a lot to a friend of mine. A.J.'s 'phone voice' apparently did not match his appearance (I never thought so, but I meet him face to face the first time). Often when he would talk to someone on the phone and then meet them later, they at first didn't even believe it was the same person. For some reason they never expected an almost seven foot tall, lanky African-American man with perfectly manicured nails and a purse. People told him he sounded white on the phone, and I think sometimes implied he also sounded strait. He would laugh about it, even though I think it bugged him that that people always assumed proper grammar meant 'white guy', and that gay men were always squealing "Fabulous!"
Anyway, my point is a voice is not much to judge someone on. It's much better to listen to the words they say.
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This kinda reminds me of something that used to happen a lot to a friend of mine. A.J.'s 'phone voice' apparently did not match his appearance (I never thought so, but I meet him face to face the first time). Often when he would talk to someone on the phone and then meet them later, they at first didn't even believe it was the same person. For some reason they never expected an almost seven foot tall, lanky African-American man with perfectly manicured nails and a purse. People told him he sounded white on the phone, and I think sometimes implied he also sounded strait. He would laugh about it, even though I think it bugged him that that people always assumed proper grammar meant 'white guy', and that gay men were always squealing "Fabulous!"
I've sometimes heard a voice and decided that the speaker sounded black even though he or she spoke with correct grammar and perfect diction. Sometimes I've even been right ;)
As for gay men, one only has to look at Ted on Queer Eye for the Straight Guy (Ted is the food expert) to see that some are completely undetectable on "gaydar" until they out themselves.
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This kinda reminds me of something that used to happen a lot to a friend of mine. A.J.'s 'phone voice' apparently did not match his appearance (I never thought so, but I meet him face to face the first time). Often when he would talk to someone on the phone and then meet them later, they at first didn't even believe it was the same person. For some reason they never expected an almost seven foot tall, lanky African-American man with perfectly manicured nails and a purse. People told him he sounded white on the phone, and I think sometimes implied he also sounded strait. He would laugh about it, even though I think it bugged him that that people always assumed proper grammar meant 'white guy', and that gay men were always squealing "Fabulous!"
I've sometimes heard a voice and decided that the speaker sounded black even though he or she spoke with correct grammar and perfect diction. Sometimes I've even been right ;)
As for gay men, one only has to look at Ted on Queer Eye for the Straight Guy (Ted is the food expert) to see that some are completely undetectable on "gaydar" until they out themselves.
This is what I think about whenever someone says the forums are too white. I think it's a pretty racist statement. They're assuming that a non-white person will write in a way that screams, "Person of Color here."
I just file everyone who hasn't stated their race or posted a pic as unknown. Give them kind of a green color.
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If I don't know what a forum poster actually looks like, I picture them as their avatar.
So yes, Russell's got kind of a green color.
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If I don't know what a forum poster actually looks like, I picture them as their avatar.
So yes, Russell's got kind of a green color.
I have pictures of my kids in here, so I can't really claim to be very exotic. Although if you looked at my kids, you might think I'm a lot better looking than I am. They got that from their mother.
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If I don't know what a forum poster actually looks like, I picture them as their avatar.
I don't really look like Eeyore, but I have the same temperament.
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If I don't know what a forum poster actually looks like, I picture them as their avatar.
I'm the goddamn Batman!
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Oh, and for the record, I'm one of the hetero-white-male oppressors ;D
[edited to correct a tupo]
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If I don't know what a forum poster actually looks like, I picture them as their avatar.
Muttley from Wacky Races checking in.
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For the record, I'm sure I've seen that photo before in a forum thread, but it was a while back and I can't find the thread quickly. So it's not new-new information. Plus, you can always check out Steve's LJ, which makes for interesting reading on the whole conception v. reality bit.
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Oh, and for the record, I'm one of the hetero-whote-male oppressors ;D
What's a Whote-male??
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For the record, I'm sure I've seen that photo before in a forum thread, but it was a while back and I can't find the thread quickly. So it's not new-new information. Plus, you can always check out Steve's LJ, which makes for interesting reading on the whole conception v. reality bit.
I remember that thread also. I think it was wiped out in the November server crash.
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For the record, I'm sure I've seen that photo before in a forum thread, but it was a while back and I can't find the thread quickly. So it's not new-new information. Plus, you can always check out Steve's LJ, which makes for interesting reading on the whole conception v. reality bit.
I remember that thread also. I think it was wiped out in the November server crash.
Here. (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=1047.msg15260;topicseen#msg15260)
We didn't lose everything in the crash. We only lost one week.
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If I don't know what a forum poster actually looks like, I picture them as their avatar.
I don't really look like Eeyore, but I have the same temperament.
I dont really look like RDA but I have the same sense of humor ( kinda sarcastic at times) as his character did in SG-1 so the avi seemed appropriate lol
in other news Face Recognition (http://www.myheritage.com)
my results were
Michael Owen
Michael Rosenbaum
Michelle Rodriguez
Sheiri Appleby
Michal Buble
Bruno Ganz
and a few others
I have only heard of one or two of these people but ya
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If I don't know what a forum poster actually looks like, I picture them as their avatar.
I do not actually look like a bicycle.
The avatar and screen name were both probably picked out under way too much self-imposed pressure (I was in a hurry to post, for a reason I can no longer remember) and sort of grabbed what was handy. Never got around to fixing either one.
As for the Steve, I'd always envisioned him as thin and bearded. Not sure why... Seeing his picture doesn't bother me, but I never would have guessed.
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in other news Face Recognition (http://www.myheritage.com)
my results were
Michael Owen
Michael Rosenbaum
Michelle Rodriguez
Sheiri Appleby
Michal Buble
Bruno Ganz
and a few others
I have only heard of one or two of these people but ya
Holy crap!
My results were:
OJ Simpson (WTF??!!)
Ted Turner
Larry David
Shawn Michaels
Sean Astin
Jacques Villeneuve
Jonathan Demme
Mehmet Ali Agca
If the glove does not fit, you must acquit!!
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I look exactly like Marv and if you don't believe me I'm gonna kick your ass and take your coat.
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My avatar looks exactly like me. On a good day, when my hair's behaving. And I'd just had a big lunch.
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My avatar looks exactly like me. On a good day, when my hair's behaving. And I'd just had a big lunch.
I think that pic makes your nose look smaller than it is.
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I think that pic makes your nose look smaller than it is.
Yeah, well thanks for letting THAT secret out. Everyone's going to think I look like a freak now they know that.
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I look exactly like me, and always have.
And these Legos apparently look like me, too... the postman, the fireman. Say, is there a Pope Lego out there, with a little miter and wee, red shoes? That would be pretty cool to have at work.
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[edited to correct a tupo]
Oh, the irony!
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[edited to correct a tupo]
Oh, the irony!
Intentional; picked up from another forum. Another (from yet another forum) which you may see me use occasionally is "I agree with this psot."
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I must admit, I had a different picture of Steve in my head when I listened to his voice. And I have that with all the people I listen to. That's why I don't like to see most films based on books I like: because it conflicts with my own mental picture. The pictures you see in front of you easily replace the mental pictures you had, so it feels kinda sad when your own mental pictures are taken away because you see some concrete picture someone else makes for you. At least, that's how I feel.
Most movies replace the mental pictures I had when reading a book and mostly I hate that. There are of course some exceptions. When I saw 'The Stand' (based on Stephen King's wonderful novel) I was completely stunned to see it was *excactly* like my mental pictures! That was a great feeling: having *my* mental pictures put in a real movie :]
But I may be creating a whole new topic here...
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Most movies replace the mental pictures I had when reading a book and mostly I hate that. There are of course some exceptions. When I saw 'The Stand' (based on Stephen King's wonderful novel) I was completely stunned to see it was *excactly* like my mental pictures! That was a great feeling: having *my* mental pictures put in a real movie :]
But I may be creating a whole new topic here...
Wow... you might be starting a new topic, at that.
In the case of the Stand, I absolutely would NEVER have cast Gary Sinise as Stu. Aside from having a mentally handicapped side-kick, Gary Sinise was completely wrong for that character. (And why is it that Sinise always seems to play opposite someone with diminished capacity? Forrest Gump... Of Mice and Men... The Stand... ?)
Come to think of it, almost no one in that cast suited the image I had of their character (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108941/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108941/))... Ruby Dee worked... Matt Frewer... Bill Fagerbakke (as said diminished capacitor) maybe a couple of others. But the major characters? No way.
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Most movies replace the mental pictures I had when reading a book and mostly I hate that. There are of course some exceptions. When I saw 'The Stand' (based on Stephen King's wonderful novel) I was completely stunned to see it was *excactly* like my mental pictures! That was a great feeling: having *my* mental pictures put in a real movie :]
But I may be creating a whole new topic here...
Wow... you might be starting a new topic, at that.
In the case of the Stand, I absolutely would NEVER have cast Gary Sinise as Stu. Aside from having a mentally handicapped side-kick, Gary Sinise was completely wrong for that character. (And why is it that Sinise always seems to play opposite someone with diminished capacity? Forrest Gump... Of Mice and Men... The Stand... ?)
Come to think of it, almost no one in that cast suited the image I had of their character (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108941/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108941/))... Ruby Dee worked... Matt Frewer... Bill Fagerbakke (as said diminished capacitor) maybe a couple of others. But the major characters? No way.
I really liked Gary Sinise as Stu, but then I would, since I saw the miniseries before I read the book. However, I like Stephen King's original casting for Larry Underwood -- totally should've been Bruce Springsteen.
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I really liked Gary Sinise as Stu, but then I would, since I saw the miniseries before I read the book. However, I like Stephen King's original casting for Larry Underwood -- totally should've been Bruce Springsteen.
I thought King said his first choice was Marshall Crenshaw (see introduction to the revised edition).
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I really liked Gary Sinise as Stu, but then I would, since I saw the miniseries before I read the book. However, I like Stephen King's original casting for Larry Underwood -- totally should've been Bruce Springsteen.
I thought King said his first choice was Marshall Crenshaw (see introduction to the revised edition).
Hrm. I don't remember that, but it could be. I am pretty sure he did say the Boss would make a great Larry Underwood, though. Maybe he was choice #2? (Or the ideal -- the choice he knew he could never get?)