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Escape Pod => Science Fiction Discussion => Topic started by: DKT on November 17, 2008, 07:30:34 PM
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New Star Trek trailer here (http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/startrek/).
Looks pretty cool, although I'm not sure about the opening bit with the car going off the cliff bit. I mean, that would all look fantastic -- full of energy and everything -- if it wasn't Trek. So I'll have to wait and see how it fits in.
I'm not as huge a Trek fan as some, but I have fond memories of watching TOS reruns and TNG with my dad. I'm hoping this is as cool as the trailer makes me want to believe it is. Anyways, I got lots of chills watching this, especially toward the end. Hope it's good.
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Can someone move this to SF discussion instead of EP, please?
Doesn't look as bad as a new Star Trek might, although to be honest I have only seen two of them. Interesting trailer though.
Mod: Kicked over to SF— Bad DKT, Bad!
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Mod: Kicked over to SF— Bad DKT, Bad!
Sometime...I can't even make excuses :D
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New Star Trek trailer here (http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/startrek/).
Looks pretty cool, although I'm not sure about the opening bit with the car going off the cliff bit. I mean, that would all look fantastic -- full of energy and everything -- if it wasn't Trek. So I'll have to wait and see how it fits in.
I'm not as huge a Trek fan as some, but I have fond memories of watching TOS reruns and TNG with my dad. I'm hoping this is as cool as the trailer makes me want to believe it is. Anyways, I got lots of chills watching this, especially toward the end. Hope it's good.
That looks great. I mean, seriously, great. As in exactly the sort of epic scale science fiction/action I was hoping it would be. The standouts for me:
-That first shot of the Enterprise at the construction yards.
-'I LIKE this ship! It's EXCITING!' Simon Pegg!Is!Perky Scotty!
-Space is disease and danger, wrapped in darkness and silence.' And in one line, Karl Urban sells me on his take on Bones and positions him as the ship's grown up.
-Orbital diving!
-Bruce Davison!
I am now very, very excited about this:)
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Did Karl Urban do the narration, or just that one line? Geez, I mean he was pretty much unrecognizable in that shot -- I didn't even realize it was him 'til you said something.
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Yup, Mandatory Viewing. Maybe not opening night, but close...
I like the edginess and grittiness that come through. It's what Star Trek needs right now...
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I had no idea this was coming out, and yes, the trailer looks awesome! I can't wait...I'm not a huge Star Trek fan, but I've seen Pretty much all of the the original, TNG and Voyager (except for the finale)...(Or at least all of them that 38 the Spot plays :).
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I was never a big fan of TOS (was more of a TNG watcher), but this does look cool. Gotta love Simon Pegg and Sylar as Scottie and Spock. Plus the girl who plays Uhura...yeah...:D
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looks epic to say the least :D
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For the purpose of watching this movie I plan to split my brain in two. One half of my brain will relentlessly take note of and grumble over every inconsistency and deviation from established Trek canon. That half will be be kept in check by my brain's dominant half, which will enjoy the movie on its merits.
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-That first shot of the Enterprise at the construction yards.
Um... I understood that Enterprise was built at the Utopia Planitia yards in geosynchronous ("areosynchronous"?) orbit above Mars. Whatever. Never let the "facts" get in the way of a good story.
-'I LIKE this ship! It's EXCITING!' Simon Pegg!Is!Perky Scotty!
Yeah, that got me going. I'm gonna' watch it just to see him as Scotty. How much do you wanna bet his character had a history of making unauthorized hotrod mods to ships, which earn him wrist-slaps but will, of course, eventually save the crew.
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-That first shot of the Enterprise at the construction yards.
Um... I understood that Enterprise was built at the Utopia Planitia yards in geosynchronous ("areosynchronous"?) orbit above Mars. Whatever. Never let the "facts" get in the way of a good story.
Who says it's the Enterprise? But yeah, launching that thing into orbit would take a bit of work.
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-That first shot of the Enterprise at the construction yards.
Um... I understood that Enterprise was built at the Utopia Planitia yards in geosynchronous ("areosynchronous"?) orbit above Mars. Whatever. Never let the "facts" get in the way of a good story.
Who says it's the Enterprise? But yeah, launching that thing into orbit would take a bit of work.
I've read screening reports that say that the ship under construction is the Enterprise.
I'm not sure if I like that more or less...
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-That first shot of the Enterprise at the construction yards.
Um... I understood that Enterprise was built at the Utopia Planitia yards in geosynchronous ("areosynchronous"?) orbit above Mars. Whatever. Never let the "facts" get in the way of a good story.
Acording to The Making of Star Trek the Enterprise was constructed on Earth and then assembeled in space.
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Acording to The Making of Star Trek the Enterprise was constructed on Earth and then assembeled in space.
"In what is still called San Francisco Navy Yards."
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Acording to The Making of Star Trek the Enterprise was constructed on Earth and then assembeled in space.
"In what is still called San Francisco Navy Yards."
Isn't that across the bay from Alameda, where they keep the nuclear wessels?
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JJ Abrams? He's got guts, man. Check this (http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=21413) out.
Essentially, Paramount gathered up 200 hardcore Star Trek fans in Austin, told them they were going to see a new print of Wrath of Kahn along with 10 minutes of the new film, and then pulled their own version of the Kobayashi Maru - showed them 5 minutes of Kahn and all of the new film.
And people went nuts for it.
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wow thats awesome, cant wait
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yay! an excuse to find a sitter!
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Acording to The Making of Star Trek the Enterprise was constructed on Earth and then assembeled in space.
"In what is still called San Francisco Navy Yards."
Isn't that across the bay from Alameda, where they keep the nuclear wessels?
NOOKYULAR wessels...so I've heard...
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NOOKYULAR wessels...so I've heard...
NOO-KLEE-AR. Chekhov said "Nu-cle-ar". Alameda is vhere they keep the nuclear wessels.
Only provincial redneck fuckwits say "nu-kyu-lar".
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NOOKYULAR wessels...so I've heard...
NOO-KLEE-AR. Chekhov said "Nu-cle-ar". Alameda is vhere they keep the nuclear wessels.
And Russian Hill is where they keep the Red Hot Reds...or am I thinking of the assorted red hots on Broadway.
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Fortean Times is doing a retrospective on TOS (http://www.forteantimes.com/specials/star-trek/). There's a nice James T. Kirk philosopher piece in there.
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I think I've seen every episode since 'Encounter at Farpoint' at least once, don't have any interest in the extended universe and don't have any interest in this film. If friends are going to see it I might tag along, otherwise I'll wait for the DVD.
I just feel that, after Enterprise, they should be trying to find a new future for the post TNG, post-Voyager Star Fleet, rather than going back and meddling with their own history. It seems unhealthy and could finish off the franchise for good.
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I just saw an advance screening last night. Spoiler-free review:
AWESOME.
There was one thing that I really didn't like, a few things that really surprised me, and if you look VERY carefully in one scene, you can see James Cawley (Captain Kirk on Phase II) for about 1/3 of a second.
The music was pretty good, but I think they should've incorporated the theme (the first part, anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdjL8WXjlGI) a little more.
If anyone wants spoilers, I'll be glad to share them in a separate thread or behind white text.
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I got the Star Trek soundtrack yesterday. It's by Michael Giacchino, who scores pretty much everything JJ Abrahms does, and also did The Incredibles.
If you've never heard a Star Trek soundtrack before, or watched the show, you'll like it a lot more. I still liked it -- I appreciate a great soundtrack (I *HEART* Stardust's) -- but I think Giacchino should've included more of the original ST theme (the part that goes under the opening monologue) than just at the very end and a little tease when Kirk & McCoy first see the Enterprise. Giacchino's new ST theme (six notes) is pretty good, though it always feels like it's going to lead into another few notes -- there's no really good way to hold it in a self-contained fashion.
The music doesn't sound like the typical Alias/Fringe/Lost style that Giacchino uses most often, except in a couple of areas. That's what I worried about most.
***SPOILER***
At the end of the film, when they do the monologue ("Space... the final frontier..."), Giacchino tries unsuccessfully to mix the old ST monologue/theme music with his new theme. It seems like he's just playing two songs at the same time, and it's distracting. Plus, the build he does to the Classic Trek remix that leads off the End Credits seems incongruous.
*** END SPOILER ***
Overall, a pretty good soundtrack. I give it four out of five (http://www.syrenmuse.com/combadge.jpg).
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My God, it's full of stars...and Onion. (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film)
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Giacchino also scores LOST and manages to bring a really great yet understated conflict between redepmtion and a sense of impending doom.
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My God, it's full of stars...and Onion. (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film)
Yeeaah! I love it when onion covers stuff..
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Just got back from it and loved it :o) Nice to see all the nods to other versions too. ;D
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Let's keep this thread spoiler-free for a week or so to give people time to see it.
Discuss the movie with spoilers here: Star Trek Movie (Spoiler Thread) (http://forum.escapeartists.net/index.php?topic=2594.0)
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I will just say here.. great great great! I LOVED this. It had its weak spots but overall the AWESOME outweighed it all! *happy geek sigh*
I was concerned about how young the cast looked but I should not have been. they were amazing.
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I just saw it. My first 2 spoiler-free thoughts:
- It's really cool how they got DeForest Kelley's ghost to actually manifest itself through Karl Urban.
- That was officially the second-silliest science I have ever seen in Star Trek. (After the Voyager episode "Threshold".) Yes, I am aware of the seriousness of that statement.
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who needs science when you have the PURE AWESOME of the visuals? :D
and I agree. Karl Urban's McCoy was phenomenal.
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Well, I'll be the first to go out on a limb and say, I thought it was awful, and not even fun awful. I went in fully ready to really like this movie, and pretty much knew I didn't in the first ten minutes.
It was downhill from there.
(For just a few of my problems with the movie, see the spoiler thread.)
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Oh MAN
Someone who just worked at nasa says the International Space Station just uploaded star trek and the astronauts plan to watch it "tonight" (whatever that is in space time).
Watching Star Trek in space
my head is exploding in geek glee at the concept.
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Saw it. Loved it. Yes, some action sequences were overlong. There were plot holes you could drive a truck through. Didn't care...
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Oh MAN
Someone who just worked at nasa says the International Space Station just uploaded star trek and the astronauts plan to watch it "tonight" (whatever that is in space time).
Watching Star Trek in space
my head is exploding in geek glee at the concept.
Link to article about the ISS astronauts watching it here: http://carpetbagger.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/real-live-astronauts-are-watching-star-trek-in-outer-space-right-now/
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(Haven't seen it yet but since I've just found this out ...)
Wait a goddamn minute ... John Cho as Hikaru Sulu?
John Cho is Korean. Hikaru Sulu is Japanese. Those are two different ethnicities. What the fuck was casting thinking? I know, probably something like "whatever; those slanty-eyed yellow people all look enough alike." ::)
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(Haven't seen it yet but since I've just found this out ...)
Wait a goddamn minute ... John Cho as Hikaru Sulu?
John Cho is Korean. Hikaru Sulu is Japanese. Those are two different ethnicities. What the fuck was casting thinking? I know, probably something like "whatever; those slanty-eyed yellow people all look enough alike." ::)
I want to know why his character on Flashforward has a russian first name, but still maintains a korean last name. He's got to be confused.
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cliffsnotes (http://www.othieves.com/mcomics_startrek.html) for those who haven't seen it
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I want to know why his character on Flashforward has a russian first name, but still maintains a korean last name. He's got to be confused.
I was thinking of "Dimitri" as a Greek name, probably because his counterpart in the novel (who saw nothing in the flashforward because he would be murdered) is Theodosios Procopides, a physicist of Greek extraction and Lloyd Simcoe's partner in the LHC experiment. But yeah, it's kind of odd.
Still, at least his character is Korean. The casting decision wasn't made by somebody who thought "fuck it, Asian is Asian."
Oh, on a similar note, my wife watches Grey's Anatomy in which Korean actor Sandra Oh plays Chinese Dr. Yang.
... but the REAL problem is that "Sulu" is not a Japanese name.
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er... thought you were kidding at first, so deleted my first post.. but...
I guarantee you at least 99% of viewers would have no idea nor care that Cho is korean rather than Japanese.
Furthermore, unless its documented explicitly somewhere, no one knows what the hell Sulu's technical ethnicity actually is. :P (I suspect this is the strongest point of my arguement. I mean, how much can you explain and/or defend the ethnicity of a fictional TV character).
just sayin'. Finding a specifically Japanese actor who could carry the role may well have been extremely difficult if not impossible. :P
Anyway, if you were just joking around, do forgive me for blathering on so. :P I just couldn't let it rest, as it seems to me no real cinematic crime has been committed here :p
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Hikaru Sulu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikaru_Sulu)
check it out, the origin of the name Sulu and decision to use John Cho is more interesting than i expected.
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Whoa, thanks for that. For some reason it'd never occured to me to wiki the name of a fictional character.
Enlightening!
Furthermore, nice genes, Cho - he sure as hell doesn't look 36+.
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Anyway, if you were just joking around, do forgive me for blathering on so. :P I just couldn't let it rest, as it seems to me no real cinematic crime has been committed here :p
No, I was quite serious. I really thought the reasoning behind the casting was "nobody can tell a nip from a gook anyway." But having read the bio of Hikaru Sulu, I see that any capable Asian actor could probably fill the role, so Cho's all right with me.
... so long as he doesn't set course for White Castle at warp seven ;D
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Anyway, if you were just joking around, do forgive me for blathering on so. :P I just couldn't let it rest, as it seems to me no real cinematic crime has been committed here :p
No, I was quite serious. I really thought the reasoning behind the casting was "nobody can tell a nip from a gook anyway." But having read the bio of Hikaru Sulu, I see that any capable Asian actor could probably fill the role, so Cho's all right with me.
... so long as he doesn't set course for White Castle at warp seven ;D
I would watch the hell out of a Star Trek/Harold & Kumar mashup.
Neil Patrick Harris as Q!
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... so long as he doesn't set course for White Castle at warp seven ;D
I would watch the hell out of a Star Trek/Harold & Kumar mashup.
Neil Patrick Harris as Q!
Okay, I gotta admit, that has a high potential for awesome. :D
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... so long as he doesn't set course for White Castle at warp seven ;D
I would watch the hell out of a Star Trek/Harold & Kumar mashup.
Neil Patrick Harris as Q!
Okay, I gotta admit, that has a high potential for awesome. :D
He'd be much better as Q.