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Escape Pod => Science Fiction Discussion => Topic started by: Heradel on May 07, 2009, 10:26:01 PM
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I haven't seen it yet (will this weekend), but please keep the spoilerific discussion to this thread.
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GREAT GREAT GREAT
everything my geeky little heart could desire
Every scene with Leonard Nimoy in it was pretty cheesy (im not sure now if he EVER could act, or if he just lost it with age), but forgiveable, cuz hey, Leonard Nimoy.
Zachary Quinto was FABULOUS. In fact, the whole cast of the Enterprise crew just blew me away! Chris Pine, the guy who played McCoy (fantastic!!), Simon Pegg in particular.. wonderful. Not sure about the guy who played Chekov, but I'm less familiar with Chekov as a character.
I enjoyed the sly little nods to trek fans written in as well, they were the cause of some guffawing among us collective nerds. :)
I am so glad I ponied up to see this on Imax. I havent enjoyed a movie this much in a long, long time.
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Great to see that you always needed to worry about wearing red if you were on an away team too.
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Well, looks like I'm the first to step out with the hate... I couldn't begin to cover all the fail, but here's some lowlights:
First, the plot was so contrived, not only to throw the cast together (which, considering that we're on a drastically altered timeline starting from JTK's birth, would require the type of predestination that works better in fantasy than SF), but to throw them into situations where they can say their trademark catch phrases. One or two would have been fine, but every five minutes there was a "I'm a doctor, dammit" or a "She cannae take any more."
Also, on top of the usual suspension of disbelief surrounding Starfleet protocols (why exactly are we sending ships full of civillians and officers' families on military missions, or sending essential command personnel on dangerous away missions?), we have the even more glaring question of why this brand-new, state-of-the-art ship, being sent into a crisis situation, on what is essentially its shakedown run, has been almost entirely crewed by cadets; what's even more ridiculous, besides a few somehow all these cadets happen to magically do their jobs better than the seasoned professionals. It's like they took everything that was wrong with Wesley Crusher, then made a whole movie of it, but with the added insult of doing it with characters we actually care about.
(And one more piddling little thing -- all those tubes labelled "inert reactant?" Isn't an inert substance by definition not a reactant?)
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To bolddeceiver: To you sir I say Meh. It's a restart, and do you really expect them not to, in the words of the inestimable Blues Brothers, get the band back together? And the point of TOS is that the Enterprise is the Ship of the Line, and that Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Uhura, Scotty, Sulu and Chekov are the best in the fleet.
And when has Starfleet not sent essential command personnel on dangerous away missions? It's practically the Secondary Directive that an away mission shall not take place without at least two members of the bridge crew on it.
Look, it can't take place in the same universe as the rest of Trek, because we already know what happens in that universe. In order for a movie to work we need to be able to think that there's the outside possibility that any of the bridge crew might kick it. Otherwise it's just figuring out how they get out of this mess. We might not even seriously consider that they'll die, but the shadow of possibility is necessary.
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Sure, we know they're the best in the fleet, but am I supposed to believe Starfleet would put them in bridge positions on a brand-new state-of-the-art starship on its shakedown mission? Wait, Wesley Crusher, never mind.
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Sure, we know they're the best in the fleet, but am I supposed to believe Starfleet would put them in bridge positions on a brand-new state-of-the-art starship on its shakedown mission? Wait, Wesley Crusher, never mind.
You appear to be operating under the assumption that this is not a major motion picture.
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Im not sure we saw the same movie, man. The movie I saw was GLORIOUSLY grand.
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I am only a small trek geek- geek lite, geekette. But I wore an single unfilled button on my collar proudly for two years, and got sent on a lot of "away" missions by my two best friends, who were both raging Trek fans.
I squealed like a silly little school girl during the obvious nods to the classic, I even caught some smaller references. I thought the casting was well done- even Syler err Spock (who I had a hard time with off and on, but I let it go, 'cause he was good)
But I'm not a Major Trek geek. So.. mayhap I missed what this was missing. I thought it was (to loosly quote the Onion) Fun and enjoyable. And you know? I'm now planning on watching some old movies with my quickly growing into a major geek daughter. She'd love 'em and I wouldn't have given it a second thought without this re-introduction. For this geekette? Awesome movie.
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To clarify, my problem was not to do with Trek canon, but rather with what I felt was sloppy writing, leaps of logic that strained my capacity for willing suspension of disbelief to the breaking point, and underneath it all (because I'm capable of overlooking both of the preceding problems if the story merits it), an uninteresting and fragmented plot with unlikable, underdeveloped cardboard-cut-out characters.
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...throw them into situations where they can say their trademark catch phrases. One or two would have been fine, but every five minutes there was a "I'm a doctor, dammit" or a "She cannae take any more."
kay that did NOT happen every five minutes, and even as an overstatement that is way out of line.
Scotty's character was AWESOME, McCoy was AWESOME, he did the doctor line maybe 5 times, probably less im sure...
we have the even more glaring question of why this brand-new, state-of-the-art ship, being sent into a crisis situation, on what is essentially its shakedown run, has been almost entirely crewed by cadets
that was explained in the movie, get over it.
and overall, i really loved it, it was fun, enjoyable, i got a few of the references even tho im not a trekkie, and... MEH to you bolddeceiver! :P
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Seriously, my major complaint with the movie was that it was overdoing the JJ Abrams cinematography — Close focusing to show off bokeh/use of large and/or medium format lenses and LF film, lens flare in every shot, blowing out highlights. I like it fine in short bursts, but way too much of it, and even if it's not that bad on a regular screen I saw it in IMAX, and those lens flares were bigger than I am on that screen.
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i didnt get dizzy from Cloverfield, but i started to get dizzy from this movie near the beginning. lots of swaying camera, round and round and round :P
i love it tho!
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...throw them into situations where they can say their trademark catch phrases. One or two would have been fine, but every five minutes there was a "I'm a doctor, dammit" or a "She cannae take any more."
kay that did NOT happen every five minutes, and even as an overstatement that is way out of line.
Scotty's character was AWESOME, McCoy was AWESOME, he did the doctor line maybe 5 times, probably less im sure...
we have the even more glaring question of why this brand-new, state-of-the-art ship, being sent into a crisis situation, on what is essentially its shakedown run, has been almost entirely crewed by cadets
that was explained in the movie, get over it.
and overall, i really loved it, it was fun, enjoyable, i got a few of the references even tho im not a trekkie, and... MEH to you bolddeceiver! :P
oh yeah, that's definitely true about the quotes, at any rate. That happened MAYBE once or twice, and at least in the audience I was in, people dug it and chuckled.
(and I too thought Scotty and McCoy were awesome, in particular McCoy).
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This is a rather good essay in the Washington Post on fans and remake/sequel movies/TV Shows: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/10/AR2009051002034.html
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Hah! Love the article title too.
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I'm not the biggest Trek geek around although I've wathced enough of TOS and TNG and DS9 to get by. But I LOVED this movie. It was way more fun than I've had watching Star Trek in ages. And I connected with these characters much more than I ever had before (especially Bones and Spock).
I've now taught my daughter to say "Are you out of your Vulcan mind?!?!" and am seriously considering buying a Starfleet uniform for my son's first Halloween.
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Loved it. Interestingly, whilst I'd read the Countdown graphic novel prequel and could fill in the background details about Nero, the Romulus disaster etc, my wife hadn't and had no problem with anything in the film.
Things I particularly liked included:
-Everyone got a moment to be the hero/heroine from Uhura decoding the initial transmission from the Klingons to Chekov's pulling Sulu and Kirk out of freefall.
-The viewscreen isn't a viewscreen any more, it's a WINDOW. I especially liked the blank terror on the bridge crew's faces when it starts to crack:)
-Bones. The big three were all incredibly strong but Karl Urban was just spookily good.
-Scotty. I'm a well known Simon Pegg mark but pretty much everything he had to do in this was great. I was also incredibly pleased to see Scotty and Chekov used as more than just the comic relief. That being said, this exchange:
'....Are you from the future?'
'Yes.'
'BRILLIANT! Do you still have sandwiches there?'
may be my favourite:)
-Bruce Greenwood as Chris Pike, a performance for which the words 'kick' and 'ass' must be used and used in conjunction.
-Dropping the sound and letting the score carry the death of the Kelvin. I'm a colossal wuss at the best of times but that was a hell of a gut punch.
So yeah, I liked it:) A lot.
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From a geek standpoint... when you eject the warp core, don't you drop out of warp and get sucked into the black hole? Just sayin'.
The only plot point that was truly not believable to me was this one: "hey, Jim, you can be second-in-command even though you're only like 21 or 22 and haven't even graduated the academy, because I thought your dad was awesome-sauce".
George Kirk dying with "I love you" on his lips just about killed me.
My dad summed it up best: "If this is the last thing they ever do on TV or film with Star Trek, I'll be happy with the way they left the series."
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From a geek standpoint... when you eject the warp core, don't you drop out of warp and get sucked into the black hole? Just sayin'.
Here's an article I found very interesting, because although the author debunks some of the science, he still loved the movie: Bad Astronomy’s Review of the Science of ‘Star Trek’ (http://trekmovie.com/2009/05/09/bad-astronomys-review-of-the-science-star-trek/)
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Yeah, it had the logic problems endemic in the series. I mean, if you're in a postion to beam people into an enemy vessel that is literally threatening to blow up the Earth, the logical thing to do is tie together a bunch of photon torpedos, beam them over near the power supply, and let them detonate. Yes, you'd kill Captain Pike. But you'd save the Earth. No commander in his right mind would do anything else.
But, James T. Kirk was never an in his right mind sort of guy, was he?
Also, as with many recent movies, the action sequences seemed over-long. How many times can people forget/lose/ignore the fact they have beam weapons just so we can have yet-another fight scene?
But, as I mentioned earlier, I loved the movie and noneof this really bothers me. Like DKT's dad, I would be happy if this is where they left the series, but face it: it's making SO much money you know there's a sequel being assembled as we write this...
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Here's an article I found very interesting, because although the author debunks some of the science, he still loved the movie: Bad Astronomy’s Review of the Science of ‘Star Trek’ (http://trekmovie.com/2009/05/09/bad-astronomys-review-of-the-science-star-trek/)
I'll admit when I saw that my reaction was "wouldn't it be like sandblasting a cracker?" Like getting an evolutionary biologist to critique the Voyager episode where Janeway and Paris turn into salamanders and mate.
That said, the review is fun to read and as you say, he loves the movie despite all of its flaws.
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And I already can't wait for that sequel
*sigh* I'm such a nerd. I might even go see this one again. (alabeit not in Imax this time. $$$$$$$).
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And I already can't wait for that sequel
*sigh* I'm such a nerd. I might even go see this one again.
I know, me too. have seen it once and have plans to see it twice next week if it all works out. (kinds screws with the other films on my wish list, such as Coraline and Angels and Demons) Maybe this is one of those gems one can see over and over again without getting bored, and that's quite an accomplishment. I bow to the genius of J.J.Abrams. well done. (and pleasing such a critical crowd as the SciFi nerds and Trekkies is not an easy task)
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Just saw it today.
I'm running hot and cold on it. It was nice to get a good reboot and a fresh cast (and I for one am grateful they kept Shatner as far away from this as possible), but the whole alternate timeline thing bugged the hell out of me. I mean, bwa? So none of it ever happened? Stuff like that just takes me out of movies.
Uhura and Spock in a romance? Oh that's just wrong on so many levels. What of poor Nurse Chapel?
And in the interest of being a completely pedantic nerd, I'd like to point out that the Klingon vessels being used in the Kobayashi Maru test were NOT Warbirds. Romulans use Warbirds. Technically those were D-7 Battlecruisers.
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So did all previous Trek (except Enterprise, I guess) get wiped out of existence by the timeline shift in this movie? Or do the previous timeline and the new one now exist side-by-side?
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It's an alternate reality, like the evil mustache one.
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So did all previous Trek (except Enterprise, I guess) get wiped out of existence by the timeline shift in this movie? Or do the previous timeline and the new one now exist side-by-side?
I thought the old spock said something about "his" timeline still existing. This was just a new reality borne due to spock's actions of going through the rift, or whatever.
The alternate reality also addresses the whole nurse chapel thing. Obviously due to things falling as they did, Nurse Chapel never made it aboard in this reality. I agree that the Spock/Uhura thing was evil and wrong, but I chose to ignore it in favor of the rest of the awesomeness :p
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I agree that the Spock/Uhura thing was evil and wrong, but I chose to ignore it in favor of the rest of the awesomeness :p
Maybe it was the acting, maybe it's because I never liked the Nurse Chapel/Spock thing, but I enjoyed Spock and Uhura and saw it as thoroughly logical and enjoyable.... and right.
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Likewise, the interplay felt unforced and natural. I especially liked Uhura telling Spock she's been assigned to the Enterprise and Spock giving in, and the 'I need everyone to continue to perform admirably.' conversation. There's a huge amount of emotion in that line and Quinto not only does a good job of showing Spock JUST letting a tiny crack of it out but Zoe Saldana does a great job of showing Uhura reading not only what Spock's said, but what he hasn't said.
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I can't explain it exactly, but I loved Spock and Uhura hooking up. It just felt completely natural to me. I also LOVED that Uhura never hooked up with Kirk. And the expression he had when she and Spock were kissing on the transporter floor was hilarious.
Kirk: Nyota?
Spock: I do not wish to discuss the matter any further.
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From a geek standpoint... when you eject the warp core, don't you drop out of warp and get sucked into the black hole? Just sayin'.
The only plot point that was truly not believable to me was this one: "hey, Jim, you can be second-in-command even though you're only like 21 or 22 and haven't even graduated the academy, because I thought your dad was awesome-sauce".
George Kirk dying with "I love you" on his lips just about killed me.
My dad summed it up best: "If this is the last thing they ever do on TV or film with Star Trek, I'll be happy with the way they left the series."
I totally agree, the science of Star Trek... well... let's just say I was so happy they didn't go into an explanation of "red matter." Also, while you're back in time, why muck about trying to destroy Vulcan and their pals and just head on over to Romulus and say, "Hey, the reason I have this rock'n ship... oh heads up on this star wiping us out in a bit."
That said, I loved every moment of it and I'm taking some friends to see it tomorrow night. I've felt this weird shame of being a Star Trek fan for a long time. I can let my Federation of Planets flag fly at work (MMO Game company) but outside let's face it, it's a joke. Now I feel I can hold my head up high and say, "This is what we're talking about!" That was the Star Trek I saw in my head when I was 5.
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Seriously, my major complaint with the movie was that it was overdoing the JJ Abrams cinematography — Close focusing to show off bokeh/use of large and/or medium format lenses and LF film, lens flare in every shot, blowing out highlights.
Flashing lights + me do not mix well. Toward the end of the movie I could feel the Evil this brings out in me coming on...I canna take it, Cap’n.
-Bones. The big three were all incredibly strong but Karl Urban was just spookily good.
Oh, man, Karl Heinz Urban rocked his role hard.
And in the interest of being a completely pedantic nerd, I'd like to point out that the Klingon vessels being used in the Kobayashi Maru test were NOT Warbirds. Romulans use Warbirds. Technically those were D-7 Battlecruisers.
Why is it that, when I hear you geek out like this, I imagine you slyly stroking your Tribble in true Blofeld-style?
The alternate reality also addresses the whole nurse chapel thing. Obviously due to things falling as they did, Nurse Chapel never made it aboard in this reality.
I could’ve sworn I heard somebody call out Chapel’s name when Bones was first dragging Kirk into the sick bay...but then again I have been known to hear things...
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I liked the movie pretty well although I did have to turn my brain off for a couple parts... particularly the red matter stuff for several reasons I mean come on did any one involved in this movie stop and think of what creating a black hole a few dozen miles over a planet would do? black holes suck from my understanding at least... did I miss something??? [/rant]
worth seeing for sure if you can look past a few things here and there
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I liked the movie pretty well although I did have to turn my brain off for a couple parts... particularly the red matter stuff for several reasons I mean come on did any one involved in this movie stop and think of what creating a black hole a few dozen miles over a planet would do? black holes suck from my understanding at least... did I miss something??? [/rant]
worth seeing for sure if you can look past a few things here and there
Check out my post here (http://forum.escapeartists.net/index.php?topic=2594.msg45961#msg45961) where I posted a link to an article debunking the science, and this is discussed, IIRC
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The alternate reality also addresses the whole nurse chapel thing. Obviously due to things falling as they did, Nurse Chapel never made it aboard in this reality.
I could’ve sworn I heard somebody call out Chapel’s name when Bones was first dragging Kirk into the sick bay...but then again I have been known to hear things...
You heard it.
I agree that the Spock/Uhura thing was evil and wrong, but I chose to ignore it in favor of the rest of the awesomeness :p
Maybe it was the acting, maybe it's because I never liked the Nurse Chapel/Spock thing, but I enjoyed Spock and Uhura and saw it as thoroughly logical and enjoyable.... and right.
Well, if you read the books -- which are obviously NOT canon -- you find that Uhura is actually pretty damn smart -- linguist, technically savvy, etc. And even on the show she is a very round character (comparatively), what with her interest in music and all.
So did all previous Trek (except Enterprise, I guess) get wiped out of existence by the timeline shift in this movie? Or do the previous timeline and the new one now exist side-by-side?
I believe Star Trek's alternate timelines are not like Back to the Future's -- in many alternate timelines of Trek, the characters affected retain some memory of what happened -- Guinan (Yesterday's Enterprise), Worf (Parallels), etc. I think this is intended to explain why Spock didn't just disappear.
Plus this allows Pocket Books to continue licensing novels up through 129 years after ST:Abrams and gives Keith RA DeCandido something to do *eg*.
it's making SO much money you know there's a sequel being assembled as we write this...
It was greenlit before the movie hit theaters.
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I liked the movie pretty well although I did have to turn my brain off for a couple parts... particularly the red matter stuff for several reasons I mean come on did any one involved in this movie stop and think of what creating a black hole a few dozen miles over a planet would do? black holes suck from my understanding at least... did I miss something??? [/rant]
worth seeing for sure if you can look past a few things here and there
You do realize in one of the other movies they did a slingshot around the sun to go back in time and kidnap some humpback whales, right? I don't know that scientific accuracy has ever been one of Trek's strong suits...
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I liked the movie pretty well although I did have to turn my brain off for a couple parts... particularly the red matter stuff for several reasons I mean come on did any one involved in this movie stop and think of what creating a black hole a few dozen miles over a planet would do? black holes suck from my understanding at least... did I miss something??? [/rant]
worth seeing for sure if you can look past a few things here and there
You do realize in one of the other movies they did a slingshot around the sun to go back in time and kidnap some humpback whales, right? I don't know that scientific accuracy has ever been one of Trek's strong suits...
Slingshotting around the sun was invented in the 60s. Orci said that doesn't work as long as he's writing Trek (http://trekweb.com/articles/2009/05/18/Roberto-Orci-on-Alternate-Timeline-Time-Travel-and-New-Movie-Plotlines.shtml), so that's one thing off the table at least.
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I liked the movie pretty well although I did have to turn my brain off for a couple parts... particularly the red matter stuff for several reasons I mean come on did any one involved in this movie stop and think of what creating a black hole a few dozen miles over a planet would do? black holes suck from my understanding at least... did I miss something??? [/rant]
worth seeing for sure if you can look past a few things here and there
You do realize in one of the other movies they did a slingshot around the sun to go back in time and kidnap some humpback whales, right? I don't know that scientific accuracy has ever been one of Trek's strong suits...
I did not realize that they did the slingshot thing... I have a confession to make and I will be ducking flying chairs for a while afterwords but to mitigate that as much as I can in advance I do like firefly
I am not a huge trek fanatic or anything like that I have seen most of TOS and a few episodes here and there in some of the others but that is about it until I saw the movie
*ducks and covers*
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well as long as you like Firefly, it's all good.
[Don't stab me, stePH. I keed!]
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*licks pencil point*
*starts to write*
Add to list of red outfits NOT to wear on away missions: Atmospheric re-entry parachute armour.
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*licks pencil point*
*starts to write*
Add to list of red outfits NOT to wear on away missions: Atmospheric re-entry parachute armour.
be sure to include that in the list of people not to let carry important stuff also
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Loved the movie.
Bolddeceiver, you make some good points, but Star Trek is cheesy and illogical.
My beef with the whole Star Trek thing is with how rarely they actually boldly go where no one has gone before.
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I just saw star trek for the 2nd time (it just came out at the local Imax). Oh man, if not as good as the first time it was very close.
*happy geek glee*
and, Chris Pine is so gorgeous. I could fall into those eyes. I hate to sound like a teenager and all that, but I think I'm developing a little crush
augguh pathetic.
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My beef with the whole Star Trek thing is with how rarely they actually boldly go where no one has gone before.
You mean like setting up a union at WalMart?
Now, that really would be an adventure worth watching.
;)
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i just saw this last weekend when it made a solid fathers' day activity. it was a lot of fun.
if the science stuff interests you, especially the interaction between a black hole and a planet, the podcast novel singularity (http://www.podiobooks.com/title/singularity) is highly recommended. it's something like a hard science James Bond thriller where a primordial black hole (smaller than the head of a pin) has struck earth.
at that size it tunnels through the planet, orbiting inside of it (something like a spirograph). the real danger comes once it has settled into the center of the planet where the plant's gravity keeps forcing its mass into the hole, there it consumes the planet much more rapidly.
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Okay, finally got to see this last night.
Fun, Star Trek through and through; the actors pretty much nailed their parts (Karl Urban in particular). But I can't help wishing they'd dumped this time-travel angle and just done a straight reboot like in any other remake/restart (like BSG, or Bionic Woman, or Batman Begins). Why the need to keep it chained to the original series? I hear they're thinking of getting William Shatner in the next one. WHY is that necessary?
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WHY is that necessary?
Two words:
Nerd Rage.
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WHY is that necessary?
Two words:
Nerd Rage.
Plus, there are a lot more Start Trek fans than there were original BSG/Bionic Woman fans. Both of those shows had been off the air for decades before they were restarted, and it made sense to do a reboot where everything was explained again.
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Fun fact, fact fans, Pocket announced four novels set in the new Trek timeline for this year and...have now postpoened them until after the next movie. Which is definitely now sometime before the middle of 2012.
Oh also, apparently, the Star Trek MMO is what happens in the original timeline after Romulus is destroyed.
Oh also also? NO time travel in the next one at all. Publically stated by the writers I seem to remember, last week.
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Oh also also? NO time travel in the next one at all. Publically stated by the writers I seem to remember, last week.
Yay! Really guys, you've set your new continuity and are free to make the new canon... let's not fuck with it any more.
Though, what I've heard (besides rumors of bringing Shatner back) is that they're thinking of having Khan Noonian Singh in the next film. Guys, you've got a practically-brand-new universe to make your own; why not tell some new stories in it? ::)
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Guys, you've got a practically-brand-new universe to make your own; why not tell some new stories in it? Roll Eyes
Because new stories = chance, and chance = chance at losing money!
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Though, what I've heard (besides rumors of bringing Shatner back) is that they're thinking of having Khan Noonian Singh in the next film. Guys, you've got a practically-brand-new universe to make your own; why not tell some new stories in it? ::)
Agreed. I think bringing Shatner back as Kirk would be a huge mistake. Maybe if he came back as a Kligon or something. That might be cool.
Kahn has been done masterfully. We don't need more Kahn. I'm all for something new and unexplored. But hey, they didn't let me down with the last film so...
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I liked the last movie, too. But it has been a very long time since the Enterprise boldly went where no one has gone before.
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I liked the last movie, too. But it has been a very long time since the Enterprise boldly went where no one has gone before.
Oooh, burn!
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I liked the last movie, too. But it has been a very long time since the Enterprise boldly went where no one has gone before.
Yes. If they want to do Khan...okay, whatever. But I'd prefer them to just boldly go in a new direction.
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I liked the last movie, too. But it has been a very long time since the Enterprise boldly went where no one has gone before.
Yes. If they want to do Khan...okay, whatever. But I'd prefer them to just boldly go in a new direction.
Ehh, I'd rather NOT see a Star Trek porno. Tho thinking of it, it's probably been done hasn't it.
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Ehh, I'd rather NOT see a Star Trek porno. Tho thinking of it, it's probably been done hasn't it.
If you count fanfiction, repeatedly, often, and with Tribbles.
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Ehh, I'd rather NOT see a Star Trek porno. Tho thinking of it, it's probably been done hasn't it.
If you count fanfiction, repeatedly, often, and with Tribbles.
AW HELL, like we don't already have enough trouble with Tribbles. ::)
ObSheesh: sheesh
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I liked the last movie, too. But it has been a very long time since the Enterprise boldly went where no one has gone before.
Yes. If they want to do Khan...okay, whatever. But I'd prefer them to just boldly go in a new direction.
Ehh, I'd rather NOT see a Star Trek porno. Tho thinking of it, it's probably been done hasn't it.
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