So, lets see if I understood this: the revolutionaries brought back Marx, but, unbeknownst to them, before they got Marx, the 28th century revolution had already taken him and brought him back. So Marx knew all about the revolution and its failure because he was told during the later revolution, and was basically just enjoying the ride, knowing that nothing he does could put him at risk (as he dies at an older age in the past).You know, I think you have it right. That makes sense actually, from what I remember of the story.
Unfortunately, it got short shrift and I was left unsatisfied.
Boring. Twentyfive minutes that I'll never get back.
Another "meh" here. I didn't hate it, but time travel stories are a hard sell for me. It's almost impossible to create a world with time travel that's internally consistent and stands up to logical examinationI take it Timeline did not work well for you from what you said?
I take it Timeline did not work well for you from what you said?
I agree with both of you 25 waisted min and meh respectively lol
I take it Timeline did not work well for you from what you said?
I take it Timeline did not work well for you from what you said?
I haven't read anything called Timeline. You mean the Michael Crichton novel? Do you think it's a really good, consistent model of time travel... or are you being sarcastic? Never having read it, I can't tell. But given Crichton's record, I don't hold out much hope.
But the time could still have been better-spent listening to something else, like my Battlefield Earth audiobook to name one example.
Is that about right?
Putting aside the implausibility of a revolution taking hold simply because they bring back Karl bloody Marx, who's ideas haven't really worked out during the course of history, there...wasn't much of a story.
Finally, did anyone notice the editing glitch after the scene with Marx at the white house? The scene about the main character going to the coast was repeated.
Another "meh" here. I didn't hate it, but time travel stories are a hard sell for me. It's almost impossible to create a world with time travel that's internally consistent and stands up to logical examination - actually I think it's only ever been done once, in David Gerrold's The Man Who Folded Himself (http://www.amazon.com/Man-Who-Folded-Himself/dp/1932100067/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214167756&sr=8-1). All other time travel stories had better say something about human nature, and just use the time travel as a parable or something - that's all it's good for.
This story didn't have much more to it than the "clever" time travel twist, so it fell pretty flat.
I was driving home from work on Friday, and decided to listen to the Escape Pod podcast. Suddenly, for a fraction of a second my car was turned inside out, and sitting in the passenger seat was a person who looked exactly like me, wearing the same clothing -- only slightly different.
"Who are you?" I asked.
"I am you from 35 minutes into the future. I have come back in time to warn you not to listen to the Escape Pod podcast. It is very boring, despite the fact that Karl Marx is a character."
"Despite the fact?" I asked. "Does future me have more sympathies toward Communist ideology that I did 35 minutes earlier?"
"Possibly," my future self tells me.
"Hey," I say, choosing to ignore my hypothetical future shift in politics, "my commute home is longer than 35 minutes. If you are really me from 35 minutes into the future, shouldn't you still be driving the car?"
"Yes. But I felt I couldn't wait. The vehicle we were driving probably caused a massive car crash mere seconds after I left. I must now travel back into the mangled wreckage. The only way that you can save us both is to not listen to the Escape Pod podcast! Then, my time line will never occur, and the car crash can be averted. Save us both! The choice is yours."
And then, the car turned inside out again and my future self was gone.
Anyway, because of that I didn't listen to the podcast, so I can't really give a critique of it here.
Anyway, because of that I didn't listen to the podcast, so I can't really give a critique of it here.Five stars, Mr (?) Ragtime.
That story was actually better than Revolution Time.That is my thought exactly when I finished reading his post
Seriously, though, I did find this one enjoyable, but I had a serious problem with what Listener mentioned earlier: What the hell were they rebelling against?
I was driving home from work on Friday, and decided to listen to the Escape Pod podcast. Suddenly, for a fraction of a second my car was turned inside out, and sitting in the passenger seat was a person who looked exactly like me, wearing the same clothing -- only slightly different.
I was driving home from work on Friday, and decided to listen to the Escape Pod podcast. Suddenly, for a fraction of a second my car was turned inside out, and sitting in the passenger seat was a person who looked exactly like me, wearing the same clothing -- only slightly different.This story almost made Revolution Time worth listening to... almost. I don't think i would have lost any appreciation for Ragtime's story if i hadn't heard the senseless, boring prequel. In fact, i probably would have appreciated it even more.
"Who are you?" I asked.
"I am you from 35 minutes into the future. I have come back in time to warn you not to listen to the Escape Pod podcast. It is very boring, despite the fact that Karl Marx is a character."
"Despite the fact?" I asked. "Does future me have more sympathies toward Communist ideology that I did 35 minutes earlier?"
"Possibly," my future self tells me.
"Hey," I say, choosing to ignore my hypothetical future shift in politics, "my commute home is longer than 35 minutes. If you are really me from 35 minutes into the future, shouldn't you still be driving the car?"
"Yes. But I felt I couldn't wait. The vehicle we were driving probably caused a massive car crash mere seconds after I left. I must now travel back into the mangled wreckage. The only way that you can save us both is to not listen to the Escape Pod podcast! Then, my time line will never occur, and the car crash can be averted. Save us both! The choice is yours."
And then, the car turned inside out again and my future self was gone.
Anyway, because of that I didn't listen to the podcast, so I can't really give a critique of it here.
Imagine people in the future really being so unoriginal and uncharismatic, that they have to go back in time in order to find someone to follow. Now that's a scary thought.....Wow.... that is chilling. Nice call, there.
I think there just wasn't enough detail in the story. I don't know about any so called left wing stories in Escape Pod, perhaps because I'm not from the USA. Please could someone point out to me which episodes these are supposed to be?
Having said that, I think what the characters in this story were rebelling against was the philosophy that money is more important than people's lives, which has been getting worse and worse in recent times.
I think there just wasn't enough detail in the story. I don't know about any so called left wing stories in Escape Pod, perhaps because I'm not from the USA. Please could someone point out to me which episodes these are supposed to be?
Steve was joking. Though I guess that "The color of a brontosaurus" could possibly qualify, at least if you think the character of Rene was a satire of the religious right.QuoteHaving said that, I think what the characters in this story were rebelling against was the philosophy that money is more important than people's lives, which has been getting worse and worse in recent times.
Is there actually anything in the story that leads you to this impression? Or are you bringing in your own views into it? Both are valid ways to get at a reading, but I'm curious as to which you mean, and if it's the former, what the evidence is.
I think this story was set in the USA and in the present, so there's plenty to rebel against there.
Finally, if the US government has the entire history worth of military leaders at their disposal why didn't they grab Ghengis Kahn(...)just crush the revolution?::)
in case people haven't seen it yet, why not Hitler (http://www.abyssandapex.com/200710-wikihistory.html)?
in case people haven't seen it yet, why not Hitler (http://www.abyssandapex.com/200710-wikihistory.html)?
Hey, I'm not saying bring him to the future because he's a nice guy. I'm saying bring him back because he wins wars. He could be threatening to the current regime though. He WAS the ruler of the largest contiguous empire in history. If there is some incidental raping and pillaging, well sometimes that price has to be paid. Would you rather have Erwin Rommel?Finally, if the US government has the entire history worth of military leaders at their disposal why didn't they grab Ghengis Kahn(...)just crush the revolution?::)
Yes... why NOT bring back Ghengis Kahn? Seriously, what a peach!
I suspect that Ghengis' tactical knowledge would be woefully out of date. How long would we need to spend training him in modern warfare techniques before he was ready to command an army not principally formed of sword-weilding horsemen?I totally agree, on a tactical level. I wouldn't expect Ghengis Kahn to be out there leading squads of soldiers, or all of them would most likely end up dead. However, at a strategic level he would be invaluable. War at both extremes (the overall strategy, and the individual soldier's spirit) hasn't changed since Sun Tzu wrote "The Art of War", which is about 1700 years before Ghengis Kahn was around and 2500 years since modern day. It's still required readings at all US military academies and Norman Schwarzkopf referenced it specifically as his inspiration for Gulf War Part One: The Successful War With Iraq.
It's kind of like bringing Newton (Sir Isaac, not Fig) forward, and expecting him to understand quantum mechanics.
Has anyone thought the story might work better purely in written form?
**snipthanks for the good laugh here I needed that lol
Honestly, I'm amazed at your restraint and how intelligent the whole conversation has been. Even when you're ripping something apart, you do it with class.
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I have no idea what "meh" means,meh (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meh)
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I have no idea what "meh" means,meh (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meh)
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...and that Ray Bradbury story where the tourist go back to prehistoric times to hunt dinosaurs but one kills something that wasn't supposed to die and when they get back, all the signs are misspelled.
Just on that, somebody complained that there was no indication about what the cell were fighting against. There was one clue --- it was a government that was prepared to nuke their own nation in order to win. If my nation were to consider that a real option, I'd probably think about a revolution too.
Finally, if the US government has the entire history worth of military leaders at their disposal why didn't they grab Ghengis Kahn, Alexander the Great, Leonidas, Napoleon, and Patton and just crush the revolution?
I wouldn't worry about the leftist politics Steve, because it was a story about one consequence of time travel, not leftism. To pick up on what others have been saying, it would have worked just as well if the cell were a bunch of neo-nazis bringing Hitler back.Imho, this would have been also a better story, if they brought back Hitler (or Stalin for that matter). Marx is more like a Communist Santa Claus, he is to inoffensive to shake up the story. Now if they tried to bring back Hitler this would make the characters more interesting plus it puts the reader in a difficult position: "Well the main character seems like a decent person, but HE'S TRYING TO BRING BACK HITLER".
I think this story was set in the USA and in the present, so there's plenty to rebel against there.
It certainly is not set in the present. The story explicitly makes mention that:
A - The US government has a time machine which it publicly uses to periodically bring back Shakespeare, and has been doing so since the protagonist was a child.
B - A large percentage of the population lives off-world in space stations.
Unless I missed some important news lately, I think this means the story takes place towards the end of the 21st century, not in its beginning.
I think this story was set in the USA and in the present, so there's plenty to rebel against there.
It certainly is not set in the present. The story explicitly makes mention that:
A - The US government has a time machine which it publicly uses to periodically bring back Shakespeare, and has been doing so since the protagonist was a child.
B - A large percentage of the population lives off-world in space stations.
Unless I missed some important news lately, I think this means the story takes place towards the end of the 21st century, not in its beginning.
I believe Marx referenced something about the 21st. But that makes it even more unrealistic to me, because there is no way that ANY percentage of the population beyond 5.0x10E-13 will live on off-world space stations between now and 2099.
PS: 5.0x10E-13 is 3 (the population of the ISS) divided by 6,000,000,000,000 (the approximate number of people on Earth at present). I suppose I should've divided by 7 or 8 trillion, but I'm just trying to make a point.
I think this story was set in the USA and in the present, so there's plenty to rebel against there.
It certainly is not set in the present. The story explicitly makes mention that:
A - The US government has a time machine which it publicly uses to periodically bring back Shakespeare, and has been doing so since the protagonist was a child.
B - A large percentage of the population lives off-world in space stations.
Unless I missed some important news lately, I think this means the story takes place towards the end of the 21st century, not in its beginning.
I believe Marx referenced something about the 21st. But that makes it even more unrealistic to me, because there is no way that ANY percentage of the population beyond 5.0x10E-13 will live on off-world space stations between now and 2099.
PS: 5.0x10E-13 is 3 (the population of the ISS) divided by 6,000,000,000,000 (the approximate number of people on Earth at present). I suppose I should've divided by 7 or 8 trillion, but I'm just trying to make a point.
Oh, I don't know. I can easily seeing the proportion doubling, or tripling. Or maybe even increasing beyond that - why, I think it's quite plausible that by the end of the 21st century the earth population will double, and there will be several hundred people living on space stations.
...and that Ray Bradbury story where the tourist go back to prehistoric times to hunt dinosaurs but one kills something that wasn't supposed to die and when they get back, all the signs are misspelled.
"A Sound of Thunder". I saw a commercial indicating that it will soon be a Skiffy Channel Original Movie, last Saturday night while watching the latest Doctor Who.
I believe Marx referenced something about the 21st. But that makes it even more unrealistic to me, because there is no way that ANY percentage of the population beyond 5.0x10E-13 will live on off-world space stations between now and 2099.
"A Sound of Thunder". I saw a commercial indicating that it will soon be a Skiffy Channel Original Movie, last Saturday night while watching the latest Doctor Who.
I saw the 2005 or 2006 big screen version "A Sound of Thunder". An absolute pile of dung. Avoid it at all costs.
Well, if the one you saw advertised is a SciFi Channel Original Movie, then it probably isn't the big-screen version that Dar is referring to. I remember when that came out. I wanted to see it but i never got around to it. I'll have to watch for it in the free InDemand movies. lol Thanks for letting us know about the Skiffy version, though. I'll have to check it out."A Sound of Thunder". I saw a commercial indicating that it will soon be a Skiffy Channel Original Movie, last Saturday night while watching the latest Doctor Who.
I saw the 2005 or 2006 big screen version "A Sound of Thunder". An absolute pile of dung. Avoid it at all costs.
Perhaps the film you saw is the one that will show on Skiffy, rather than a newer remake.
Well, if the one you saw advertised is a SciFi Channel Original Movie, then it probably isn't the big-screen version that Dar is referring to. I remember when that came out. I wanted to see it but i never got around to it. I'll have to watch for it in the free InDemand movies. lol Thanks for letting us know about the Skiffy version, though. I'll have to check it out.
But Wintermute, if we don't take the money from NASA how are we going to fund the war on terror. Thoughts like that make the terrorists win.I believe Marx referenced something about the 21st. But that makes it even more unrealistic to me, because there is no way that ANY percentage of the population beyond 5.0x10E-13 will live on off-world space stations between now and 2099.
Yeah, just like how, in 1960 people said that there was no way men would walk on the Moon within a decade.
All it takes is political will. If that's there, there's no technical reason why we can't have dozens, or hundreds, of people in permanent orbital habitats within 50 years. Maybe tens of thousands within the century.
Right now, it doesn't seem very likely, with NASA being stripped to the bone, and the European, Japanese, Chinese and Russian space programmes not in any better shape. But if we get a head of state who pulls a Kennedy on this, you can be sure that it'll happen.
But Wintermute, if we don't take the money from NASA how are we going to fund the war on terror. Thoughts like that make the terrorists win.Heh. NASA's full budget for a year would pay for about three hours of the Iraq war. Or about a decade of the search for bin Laden.
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Besides, listening to the Snark Infested Waters podcast I've gathered that some of these Skiffy "Original" movies are actually not premiered on the channel, but were first shown elsewhere.Hunh, interesting... i did not know that.
Besides, listening to the Snark Infested Waters podcast I've gathered that some of these Skiffy "Original" movies are actually not premiered on the channel, but were first shown elsewhere.Hunh, interesting... i did not know that.
Totally enjoyed the intro and outro, though. Steve's line about the domain name being taken... dinosaurs and centrists... and then of course "Think for Yourself". Those were the highlights of the story. (Ignore the fact that they were not actually in it, and it was top notch!)
Totally enjoyed the intro and outro, though. Steve's line about the domain name being taken... dinosaurs and centrists... and then of course "Think for Yourself". Those were the highlights of the story. (Ignore the fact that they were not actually in it, and it was top notch!)
Ah, but to add to the nearly-universal criticism of EP163, I have a beef with the intro!
Steve's intros usually get me curious/interested/excited for the story, and as soon as he hits his "...Story Time" riff, I'm eager for the story to begin.
However, during the Revolution Time intro, he practically invited all of these negative comments by souring the listener right from the beginning. The way he talked about the story in the intro felt like he was apologizing for the story he was about to subject us to.
Maybe this was a bit of reverse psychology, to try to ward off some nagging feeling he had that he shouldn't have run this piece? Yeah. That's it. Steve knew subconsciously how bad this was, and was trying to protect us...
Totally enjoyed the intro and outro, though. Steve's line about the domain name being taken... dinosaurs and centrists... and then of course "Think for Yourself". Those were the highlights of the story. (Ignore the fact that they were not actually in it, and it was top notch!)
Ah, but to add to the nearly-universal criticism of EP163, I have a beef with the intro!
Steve's intros usually get me curious/interested/excited for the story, and as soon as he hits his "...Story Time" riff, I'm eager for the story to begin.
However, during the Revolution Time intro, he practically invited all of these negative comments by souring the listener right from the beginning. The way he talked about the story in the intro felt like he was apologizing for the story he was about to subject us to.
Maybe this was a bit of reverse psychology, to try to ward off some nagging feeling he had that he shouldn't have run this piece? Yeah. That's it. Steve knew subconsciously how bad this was, and was trying to protect us...
Is that really the best of what is being submitted? Did we use up a decade's worth of quality short scifi already and good new stuff just isn't being produced fast enough?
I think if Marx had actually been a human being in the story it could have helped. Marx knew all those million of people would die... and because he knew how it would turn out, let them die?
I don't know why it took me this long to come up with it, but why would a government with a time machine need to make any military response to an attempted revolution at all? You ID one or more leaders, send agents back in time, join their cells, and disrupt their plans as soon as they amount to anything.
I don't know why it took me this long to come up with it, but why would a government with a time machine need to make any military response to an attempted revolution at all? You ID one or more leaders, send agents back in time, join their cells, and disrupt their plans as soon as they amount to anything.
The real kick for me was at the end when the cell all went on to different lives. Some died, some continued the revolution, and some got on with life while staying true to their cause.
Personally, if I had a guarantee that the revolution would succeed in 800 years I wouldn't bother fighting. I wouldn't even bother when the time came. Why risk everything for a cause that cannot lose?
Just on that, somebody complained that there was no indication about what the cell were fighting against. There was one clue --- it was a government that was prepared to nuke their own nation in order to win. If my nation were to consider that a real option, I'd probably think about a revolution too.
this episode has spawned more discussion in five days than any other escape pod has total (including (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=1727.0l) split (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=1722.0) threads (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=1728.0)). it's also the worst reviewed story.
human nature is a funny thing.
But it was very far from being the worst Escape Pod.
this episode has spawned more discussion in five days than any other escape pod has total (including (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=1727.0l) split (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=1722.0) threads (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=1728.0)). it's also the worst reviewed story.
human nature is a funny thing.
this episode has spawned more discussion in five days than any other escape pod has total (including (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=1727.0l) split (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=1722.0) threads (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=1728.0)). it's also the worst reviewed story.
human nature is a funny thing.
What's even more interesting, at least to me, is that although a few people expressed very negative reactions and there certainly was a negative tone to most reviews, by far the most common review was "meh".
So for a group of people who don't think this story has much going for it one way or another, we sure have a lot to say about it.
When I listen to these stories, I don't think "good" or "bad". Instead, I think, "I could top that." (Or not.)
I think I could top this one. (But that's already been done twice... once in thread, and once with a link.)
So, while I can't muster the enthusiasm he had for it, I will echo the positive points that CammoBlammo mentioned, and offer the author an apology for not being blown away by his ideas.
As most of you might already know, I think we are already in the midst of an extremely interesting and non-violent revolution (http://tadshappyfuntime.blogspot.com/2008/03/we-now-join-revolution-already-in.html).
Exhibit A: Escape Pod, a science fiction short story podcast edited by Steve Eley, who started out with a simple idea: offer writers $100 dollars for stories, which he would read and post as a weekly mp3 on his podcast feed. The audience was asked for whatever donations they felt appropriate, which Steve uses to pay the authors. After only two years, as he explained in his third Escape Pod Metacast, Escape Pod is the 2 market for short science fiction stories.
One thing that I believe has been mentioned before:QuoteExhibit A: Escape Pod, a science fiction short story podcast edited by Steve Eley, who started out with a simple idea: offer writers $100 dollars for stories, which he would read and post as a weekly mp3 on his podcast feed. The audience was asked for whatever donations they felt appropriate, which Steve uses to pay the authors. After only two years, as he explained in his third Escape Pod Metacast, Escape Pod is the 2 market for short science fiction stories.
$100 is the current going rate for a story, but it was originally much lower. Only the generosity of donators to the show allowed Steve to gradually raise the amount he pays authors.
One thing that I believe has been mentioned before:QuoteExhibit A: Escape Pod, a science fiction short story podcast edited by Steve Eley, who started out with a simple idea: offer writers $100 dollars for stories, which he would read and post as a weekly mp3 on his podcast feed. The audience was asked for whatever donations they felt appropriate, which Steve uses to pay the authors. After only two years, as he explained in his third Escape Pod Metacast, Escape Pod is the 2 market for short science fiction stories.
$100 is the current going rate for a story, but it was originally much lower. Only the generosity of donators to the show allowed Steve to gradually raise the amount he pays authors.
While I normally hate being caught in a factual error, that actually proves the point even more (the point that this is a viable business model, I mean). And while I think of this as Steve's dream/triumph, it's a testament to all of us in the Escape Artists community that it is succeeding so, um, successfully.
Just so I can fix my blog, does anyone here recall the original EP story rate?
this episode has spawned more discussion in five days than any other escape pod has total (including (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=1727.0l) split (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=1722.0) threads (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=1728.0)). it's also the worst reviewed story.I don't get your math. Just by sorting the episode threads by replies I get 11 stories with more responses not including split threads.
human nature is a funny thing.
Just making a guess about split threads I'd say there are another 7 with more replies.
this episode has spawned more discussion in five days than any other escape pod has total (including (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=1727.0l) split (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=1722.0) threads (http://forum.escapeartists.info/index.php?topic=1728.0)). it's also the worst reviewed story.I don't get your math. Just by sorting the episode threads by replies I get 11 stories with more responses not including split threads.
human nature is a funny thing.
Just making a guess about split threads I'd say there are another 7 with more replies.
i'm not sure what you're looking for here Russell.
i specifically said this included split threads, you replied by saying: if you don't include split threads you're wrong. the split threads are linked from my original post, in the time that it took you to post your comment you could have checked the post counts and had your answer. instead you just assumed that i was wrong.
*shrug* what do you want me to say?
If you go only by the episode thread, my math holds. If you try to add in every other thread, my math holds more.
It is, however, impressive how much discussion has been spawned by a story that almost nobody liked. Which I think was your original point.
If you go only by the episode thread, my math holds. If you try to add in every other thread, my math holds more.
since the math you put forward is 'i think i'm right,' i wont argue.Quote from: Russell NashIt is, however, impressive how much discussion has been spawned by a story that almost nobody liked. Which I think was your original point.
aye, the funny nature of humans.
another aspect of that nature is an instinctive need to dispute absolute statements. after my original post i half expected people would start suggesting that other episodes are worse (since it's easy to mix up an assertion that something is worst reviewed with the assertion that it is the worst) but you took me by surprise by splitting hairs on the possibility that it spawned the most discussion.
i fully admit that i may be wrong, i didn't exhaust every case, but contradicting a non-essential position with nothing more than a feeling is human nature at its bloody minded best.
a nature that i now continue in grand tradition with an unnecessary escalation.
$20 was the original payment for a story.
Since everything they were doing was just too easy, that's exactly what I thought had happened. One of their buddies just happened on a secret corridor that leads to the most secure facility in the United States? And then they get in and out without any resistance?
I don't know why it took me this long to come up with it, but why would a government with a time machine need to make any military response to an attempted revolution at all? You ID one or more leaders, send agents back in time, join their cells, and disrupt their plans as soon as they amount to anything.
Actually, that seems to be one of the few plot issues that is sort of semi-addressed; the time machine doesn't seem capable of sending people to the past, only extracting them.
That said, a slight change to the plan makes all the difference - ID one of the leaders, say Morgan, and extract her as a child. Re-indoctrinate her so that she's a double-agent, wait for her to boomerang back to the past, and then have her betray her cell at the right moment. If it doesn't work, just repeat with a different cell member.
Personally, I love time travel stories. I love "The Time Machine," Connie Willis' "Doomsday Book" and "To Say Nothing of the Dog" and that Ray Bradbury story where the tourist go back to prehistoric times to hunt dinosaurs but one kills something that wasn't supposed to die and when they get back, all the signs are misspelled. My favorite Star Trek episodes are the time travel ones. I love Dr. Who. And, one of my favorite shows when I was a kid was "The Time Tunnel." I'm a time travel geek.I like time travel stories too, but they're very rarely done "right". I keep reading them the way Charlie Brown keeps trying to kick the football that Lucy whips away at the last minute. I keep hoping "maybe this time...".
I'm worried I'm going to lose all my credibility for saying this, but...Bartender ... give me whatever he's having.I REALLY LIKED THIS ONE!!!!
Sorry, I had to say it. In fact, it's one of my favourite EPs yet. Up there with Friction.
in case people haven't seen it yet, why not Hitler (http://www.abyssandapex.com/200710-wikihistory.html)?It is to laugh.
I'm worried I'm going to lose all my credibility for saying this, but...Bartender ... give me whatever he's having.I REALLY LIKED THIS ONE!!!!
Sorry, I had to say it. In fact, it's one of my favourite EPs yet. Up there with Friction.
(sorry)
But seriously, *applause* for being willing to express a contrary opinion.