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Title: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Raving_Lunatic on January 18, 2009, 06:37:31 PM
Sunday...
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Zathras on January 18, 2009, 06:41:25 PM
Dude, there are two new PP episodes, have patience!
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: izzardfan on January 19, 2009, 01:01:58 PM
Dude, there are two new PP episodes, have patience!

I don't read PP (because I can't handle horror, which is why some PCs (http://forum.escapeartists.net/index.php?topic=2063.msg36941#msg36941) have freaked me out a bit), so I'm waiting for both PC and EP.  And while I'm NOT complaining, as I do have a backlog of other audio fiction I can listen to, isn't there a separate set of staff for each podcast?  (ie. two new PP episodes should have no bearing on PC and EP)  I do realize that some duties overlap, and I know that when the new stories are posted, they'll be worth waiting for.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Zathras on January 19, 2009, 01:33:04 PM
Izzardfan, I posted my comment to lunatic because I know he listens to PP.  I don't think there is a lot of overlap in the staff of each cast.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: eytanz on January 19, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
I don't want to complain about the lack of EP/PC episodes this week, or to add pressure on Steve/Rachel and their staff - I understand that there's more going on behind the scenes than we can see and there's probably a good reason for missing episodes. But I do wish that there was a bit more information - just a quick note to say "sorry, we're missing an episode this week" would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Raving_Lunatic on January 19, 2009, 03:00:15 PM
I posted this before PP came out, but that made up for it, I suppose.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: MacArthurBug on January 19, 2009, 04:06:38 PM
I don't want to complain about the lack of EP/PC episodes this week, or to add pressure on Steve/Rachel and their staff - I understand that there's more going on behind the scenes than we can see and there's probably a good reason for missing episodes. But I do wish that there was a bit more information - just a quick note to say "sorry, we're missing an episode this week" would be much appreciated.

I agree fully. I don't want to be a whiner. I have other stories. However the quality of EP and PC stories always makes me happy. I'm trying to be patient. But, I agree that word from on high would help ease my fear that my favorite cast will vanish forever.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Ocicat on January 19, 2009, 09:30:41 PM
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Is it too early to make a complaint thread

Yes.

Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: izzardfan on January 20, 2009, 12:14:39 PM
Izzardfan, I posted my comment to lunatic because I know he listens to PP.  I don't think there is a lot of overlap in the staff of each cast.

Didn't know that about him, sorry.  And I'm like the others, just hoping for word of some kind.  We aren't even at two weeks yet, so it's not panic time, by any means.

In the meantime, I've started listening to "Nina Kimberly the Merciless (http://www.podiobooks.com/title/nina-kimberly-the-merciless)" by Christiana Ellis. (She read Mur's Christmas EP story.)  It's pretty good so far.  I prefer when the author reads their own work, as they know exactly where to put the emphasis, how to pronounce things, and what tone to use with each character.

Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: stePH on January 20, 2009, 02:19:46 PM
I prefer when the author reads their own work, as they know exactly where to put the emphasis, how to pronounce things, and what tone to use with each character.


Escape Artists seems to have a standing policy against that ... except that I can't remember whether or not Steve read his own story way back when.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: eytanz on January 20, 2009, 02:24:53 PM
I prefer when the author reads their own work, as they know exactly where to put the emphasis, how to pronounce things, and what tone to use with each character.


Escape Artists seems to have a standing policy against that ... except that I can't remember whether or not Steve read his own story way back when.

He did, in Episode 76, The Dinner Game. (AKA "The first EP episode I ever listened to")

ETA: This is wrong
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: stePH on January 20, 2009, 02:27:41 PM
I prefer when the author reads their own work, as they know exactly where to put the emphasis, how to pronounce things, and what tone to use with each character.


Escape Artists seems to have a standing policy against that ... except that I can't remember whether or not Steve read his own story way back when.

He did, in Episode 76, The Dinner Game. (AKA "The first EP episode I ever listened to")


That's the only exception I can think of, then.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: eytanz on January 20, 2009, 02:30:27 PM
Actually, forget that, that was totally wrong - I just looked at the blog and apparently it was read by Maia Whitaker. I was confused because I thought I remember Steve being apologetic in the intro about reading his own story, but he was actually apologetic for running his own story.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Zathras on January 20, 2009, 03:45:04 PM
;D
Izzardfan, I posted my comment to lunatic because I know he listens to PP.  I don't think there is a lot of overlap in the staff of each cast.

Didn't know that about him, sorry.  And I'm like the others, just hoping for word of some kind.  We aren't even at two weeks yet, so it's not panic time, by any means.

No worries.  I'm not upset in the least.  Just wanted to explain why I told lunatic to wait. 
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: ajames on January 21, 2009, 02:33:38 AM
I'm not complaining.

I'm just a bit worried.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Bdoomed on January 21, 2009, 02:38:05 AM
word is a rift in the space time continuum opened up in Steve's computer, transporting the uploaded file a few days in the future.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: izzardfan on January 22, 2009, 07:08:46 AM
word is a rift in the space time continuum opened up in Steve's computer, transporting the uploaded file a few days in the future.

This sounds like a great plot for an EscapePod episode.   ;D
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Kurt Faler on January 23, 2009, 02:01:48 AM
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Is it too early to make a complaint thread

Yes.



How bout now?
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Bdoomed on January 23, 2009, 04:52:21 AM
yep, still early.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: showerkapp on January 23, 2009, 01:17:22 PM
I'm with raving lunatic. Where is the new story? It's been a week. And there's no word, nothing, from EA. Even just a word from Steve on the blog or in this thread would be appreciated. Everything about Escape Pod is of the highest caliber--the stories, the production, the way they pay the authors. Steve is a class act, but this lack of news is out of character with his usual professionalism and regard for his audience.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Talia on January 23, 2009, 01:32:30 PM
Patience. If you're looking for a podcast to fill the void in the interim, I recommend Drabblecast. It's .. different, but engaging. :P
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: MacArthurBug on January 23, 2009, 03:14:39 PM
but... but.. *twitch*

I have some of the alternate casts- drabbble- clone pod, and quite a few others. And although they're entertaining enough. They are not Escape pod. I love this show. The sister casts are awesome, and seem to be unaffected by whatever malady has take EP down for the week. But I'm worried. I was freaked when Steved pulled the first time- but he's human with truly human problems and everyone needs a break. But it was only back briefly before this. So, being a pessimist of the first class I assume something dire is in the works.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Zathras on January 23, 2009, 03:20:08 PM
Again, my fault.  Always use proper wards prior to Pseudo Pod marathons. 

I am in the middle of an Escape Pod marathon, so I've got a little more patience.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Raving_Lunatic on January 23, 2009, 05:08:12 PM
I'm more worried than angry at this point.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on January 23, 2009, 05:27:07 PM
Steve's Twittered about it:
Quote from: http://twitter.com/SFEley/statuses/1141881095
Sorry for EP being late. There's been stuff. It'll be up either today or tomorrow. Meanwhile, this week's Drabblec ast is astonishing.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: MacBean on January 24, 2009, 05:15:26 AM
Thanks, Heradel. Now I can actually enjoy my backup podcasts instead of worrying.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: slothflyer on January 27, 2009, 04:00:18 AM
here's my complaint.

People should call listening to a podcast, even if it's a short story, novel or straight up audiobook, READING.

It's not reading, it's freaking listening.

sorry.  pet peeve.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on January 27, 2009, 08:03:25 AM
here's my complaint.

People should call listening to a podcast, even if it's a short story, novel or straight up audiobook, READING.

It's not reading, it's freaking listening.

sorry.  pet peeve.

Bit of a logical disconnect somewhere in there.

I'm not sure if I agree or not (the dictionary is another matter, it rigidly defines reading as having to do with printed text/matter). I think it depends on the operative metaphor. If you're hearing a story and it's like consuming the performance of a storyteller around a campfire back in ye olde tiemese, then it's listening. But if you're able to hear the story and comprehend fully the structures beneath the writing and grasp the poetry of the writing rather than the poetry of the performance then it's reading.

The former is a more passive process, the latter is necessarily active process. I can (digitally) edit photos or develop film while listening to a story and still keep the internal count of passing time going fine, I can't do that if I'm actively reading something.

Now, with a really good performance and a really good story one gets drawn into the story and I think that's a rare occasion that merges the two experiences. Thinking back on the EA podverse, the only time it has really happened for me was with Nightfall (EP#100). That one ended and I found myself at 145th Street, which is quite a bit further uptown than I'd intended to go.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: MacArthurBug on January 27, 2009, 11:58:33 AM
I personally enjoy interacting with my material. I find myself so caught up in printed material I forget that I'm reading it off the printed page and falling into the story. And if the audio format is good enough- I find myself doing the same to audio.  If I could somehow manage to turn on this escaping into the "text" at will- it would make studying for exams MUCH easier.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: izzardfan on January 27, 2009, 05:26:33 PM
here's my complaint.

People should call listening to a podcast, even if it's a short story, novel or straight up audiobook, READING.

It's not reading, it's freaking listening.

sorry.  pet peeve.

Bit of a logical disconnect somewhere in there.

I think slothflyer intended "People should NOT call listening..."  Then it makes sense.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: DKT on January 27, 2009, 07:56:02 PM
here's my complaint.

People should call listening to a podcast, even if it's a short story, novel or straight up audiobook, READING.

It's not reading, it's freaking listening.

sorry.  pet peeve.

Bit of a logical disconnect somewhere in there.

Heh. When I read that last night I just thought I was too tired. Guess not :)
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: godzilla8nj on January 29, 2009, 01:55:04 PM
This is actually the first time I've been concerned about the future of EP. I'm all for Steve shouldering less of the burden (what he's done until now has been super-human), but I have always thought of EP as the natural evolution of a professional anthology. The quality of selections and their production value pointed to it. That belief has always assumed Steve would at some point have to delegate responsibilities and back away from one-a-week with an occasional repeat or break.

Now I want my Escape Pod back. I want Steve's insightful lead-ins. I'll even bear with the occasional "Geek Dad intro :) I'll volunteer myself to lighten the load if he needs help. That's because I, like all you other forum writers, are hard-core EPodders. I fear how many casual listeners are unsubscribing because of this second, unannounced interruption.

I am aware of how hard Steve has worked, and for how long, to build up a following this large. This post is a plea to not risk losing something really special. When Steve announced the first break I made a request that we show support through donations. This time I think everyone willing to help solidify EP's role as a professional anthology for the 21st century needs to let Steve know he has resources available to him if he wishes.

On a personal note: Steve, you should know that what you are doing is inspirational. It prompted me to learn about the LibriVox project and contribute, and to volunteer time at my local library editing some of their program audio into podcast form. And I'm one of how many thousand listeners?

Anyway, that's my two cents. Anyone else?
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: izzardfan on January 29, 2009, 02:45:48 PM
Quote from: Steve's Twitter as of last night
Yes, Escape Pod is still alive. Yes, it's coming. I'd have had it up tonight, but I destroyed my voice screaming about something. Tomorrow.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: OsamaBinLondon on January 29, 2009, 03:32:03 PM
Bah!  At the very least there should be some notification on the home page to let people know whats going on.  The uncertainty is what is most annoying. 

That is just common sense and common courtesy.   There is NO excuse for poor manners!
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: eytanz on January 29, 2009, 03:36:52 PM
I am finding it surprising that Steve is choosing to communicate via twitter - a service that does not include most of his subscribers - rather than directly with us on the forums and/or the escape pod site.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: godzilla8nj on January 29, 2009, 03:55:26 PM
I am finding it surprising that Steve is choosing to communicate via twitter - a service that does not include most of his subscribers - rather than directly with us on the forums and/or the escape pod site.

That's exactly what I meant. Of all subscribers, what percentage actually use the forums? What even smaller percentage subscribe to his Twitter (I know that I wasn't aware of it until it was mentioned earlier in this thread)? How many people does that leave frustrated or thinking EP is gone for good?
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Alasdair5000 on January 29, 2009, 05:01:07 PM
Some one much, much cleverer than me once said life is what happens when you're making other plans.

Let me tell you what I don't know; any more than you.  Pseudopod operates autonomously, by and large so we've not been in regular contact with Steve not because he's not been around but because we don't need to.

Let me tell you what I do know: That producing a tweet takes around forty seconds to a minute, that modifying the website takes roughly ten to fifteen minutes and a podcast, from initial recording to post production takes a full working day at the least.  This is a time issue and whilst I agree Twitter is far from a universal means of communication, it may be the only one that Steve has had time for.

It's not perfect and I'm not running down anyone's complaints believe me but the issue of time has to be taken into account here.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: phoomp on January 30, 2009, 03:54:11 AM
Steve, take your time.  Do what you need to do.  If you need some help, put the word out; I'm certain many of us would be more than willing to help shoulder some of the load.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: MacBean on January 30, 2009, 06:20:43 AM
I am finding it surprising that Steve is choosing to communicate via twitter - a service that does not include most of his subscribers - rather than directly with us on the forums and/or the escape pod site.

Like Alasdair said, time needs to be taken into consideration. And those who DO use Twitter are still keeping those who don't up to date. Shit happens. Let Steve get life in order if he needs to. You're PROBABLY not going to die if you have to wait a couple days or even a couple weeks for a new EP.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Zathras on January 30, 2009, 12:41:28 PM
I haven't been affected too much by the delay.  I've been listening to old EPs.

Last night, it suddenly felt creepy.  Hearing Steve's intros in a short period of time seems intrusive.  He's obviously got stuff going on right now, and I am more than willing to give him all the time he needs.  I am, admittedly, an over the top personality.  I am not generally very empathetic.  I have very little shame or modesty.  I say that because now I'm feeling weird about hearing Steve talk about his personal life while he is having issues.

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: izzardfan on February 02, 2009, 04:14:35 AM
I didn't miss the episodes so much as the forum being down.  I've been waiting two days to post this (http://forum.escapeartists.net/index.php?topic=2238.msg41064#msg41064).
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: alllie on February 02, 2009, 12:32:45 PM
I didn't miss the episodes so much as the forum being down. 

I miss not knowing what is going on. Steve isn't telling anyone, like Rachael or Alasdair, who can tell us.

I wonder if escapepod is over.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: jdesq on February 02, 2009, 04:34:27 PM
I realize life does have it's problems- we all do- but to not say anything is not right. What is up and can we help?  Say the word, we are here for you.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Nfidel on February 02, 2009, 05:31:34 PM
  Maybe I'm an anachronism, but I'm usually thankful for free stuff. While I may become disappointed when regular deliveries of free stuff don't arrive, I do acknowledge that I always get more than I've paid for. EscapePod was the first fiction podcast I became addicted to and its content has benefited me greatly. I can't say I've greatly reciprocated, as I've only donated around ten bucks to Escape Artists these years I've been listening. 

   Alasdair's explanation regarding temporal restraints upon mere Earthlings such as Steve Ely seems plausible. That said, I  eagerly yet patiently await the next episode of EP or any news regarding such.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: wyrder42 on February 03, 2009, 06:34:27 AM
This is actually the first time I've been concerned about the future of EP. I'm all for Steve shouldering less of the burden (what he's done until now has been super-human), but I have always thought of EP as the natural evolution of a professional anthology. The quality of selections and their production value pointed to it. That belief has always assumed Steve would at some point have to delegate responsibilities and back away from one-a-week with an occasional repeat or break.

Now I want my Escape Pod back. I want Steve's insightful lead-ins. I'll even bear with the occasional "Geek Dad intro :) I'll volunteer myself to lighten the load if he needs help. That's because I, like all you other forum writers, are hard-core EPodders. I fear how many casual listeners are unsubscribing because of this second, unannounced interruption.

I am aware of how hard Steve has worked, and for how long, to build up a following this large. This post is a plea to not risk losing something really special. When Steve announced the first break I made a request that we show support through donations. This time I think everyone willing to help solidify EP's role as a professional anthology for the 21st century needs to let Steve know he has resources available to him if he wishes.

On a personal note: Steve, you should know that what you are doing is inspirational. It prompted me to learn about the LibriVox project and contribute, and to volunteer time at my local library editing some of their program audio into podcast form. And I'm one of how many thousand listeners?

Anyway, that's my two cents. Anyone else?

I basically just have a big "mee too" here.

I almost never post in forums because I have to first create an account (annoying), and then, often, I have to forget my password and have it reset once or twice before I really get into the swing of things. (also an annoying barrier)  Once I defeat those two barriers, I occasionally wind up spending all my time writing forum posts, which cuts into all the time I'm supposed to be spending doing whatever it is I'm supposed to be doing.

I have crossed those barriers and braved the too-much-time spent danger tonight because I agree with everything you said, godzilla8nj.

To those that tell me there are other good podcasts I could be using to get my fix, well thanks.  But I don't want any other podcast right now, I want Escape Pod!  Escape Pod is too cool to be allowed to fail. 

Has Escape Pod failed?  No, not as such, not exactly yet.  But I have to say that having an irregular schedule so soon after the last one is not a good sign.

Steve, if you need help, there are loyal fans out here that are willing to help.  Escape Pod is precious because it reminded me why I loved sci-fi so much growing up.  We want it to come back to us, and some of us are afraid that it's slipping away.  We can't let that happen.
--
Furry cows moo and decompress.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Talia on February 03, 2009, 06:45:04 AM
I'll refer you to here:

http://forum.escapeartists.net/index.php?topic=2199.msg41133 (scroll down).

Makes me feel a bit more optimistic :)
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: milo on February 04, 2009, 03:15:56 AM
I heartily agree with wyrder42 and godzilla8nj. I have become a fan of Tony C. Smith's Starship Sofa Aural Delights. Tony has a wide range of volunteer narrators, contributors, and even some help with the audio engineering and signal-to-noise cleanup. See his most recent editorial in episode 61 for more details. All of this is to say that there is a large Escape Pod community who dearly loves what this science fiction magazine has become. A team effort can only make it better, and it is clear that there is no lack of talented, passionate people willing to get involved. I myself plan to continue donating at the $5/month level and would consider more if that were needed.

Steve, please let us know what it would take to put a first class Escape Pod team together and take some of the burden off of you. We miss you and will be very glad when you can return.

Most Sincerely,

Milo
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: MacArthurBug on February 04, 2009, 04:03:56 AM
If we get any kind of "It's not you it's me" voice thing I may well implode. I've had my heart broken in lots of ways- but never by a podcast.  I am more then willing to beg. And I'm cute when I beg. Seriously cute.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Windup on February 04, 2009, 04:37:05 AM

OK, I've now joined the "officially worried" camp -- worried about Steve, worried about Escape Pod, worried about Escape Artists.  What bothers me the most is that this is so out of character -- Steve has always been great about communicating what's going on to the audience, so the sudden silence is disturbing. 

I want to be clear that I'm not saying Steve "owes us an explanation;"  I'm saying that he's been good about providing one in the past, and it's the change that's making this seem like more than a routine technical/social/scheduling problem.

Like others, I'll be happy to help, though my skill level in the relevant areas hovers between low and non-existent and I'm too far away to baby-sit.   ::)  Though if upping the Pay Pal contribution makes a difference, I'm all over that -- just say the word.

OK, got that out of my system in the only place it might make a difference... 
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: missmeka on February 04, 2009, 08:20:46 AM
I have been an EscapePod listener since October or so, when I was stuck in bed with severe depression.  I quickly ran through all the episodes, and picked and chose from PseudoPod and PodCastle.  I enjoy the stories and the quality of production.  It's also nice to get an intro from the editors.  I've noticed that Steve was a lot freer with his personal comments, often mentioning depression and his family.  I genuinely hope that he is okay.  If anyone here knows them personally, or lives nearby and has been able to get in touch with them please let us know.  I know what it's like to suffer from depression.  For six months I kept saying "I'll go and take care of it," or "I'll get that done tomorrow," while locking myself in my apartment in the bed.  I hope that it's not depression, but either way I'm worried about Steve and his family.

That being said, I think that the lack of communication about what is going on is extremely unprofessional.  EscapePod is run on Wordpress.  It takes a few seconds to post a quick note saying on hiatus for personal reasons.  It is unfortunate that I had to go searching for this form, to eventually find a post started some time ago, to find buried within it is a tweet from Steve.  It is unfortunate that there is no way for potential volunteers to assist with the production of something they value.  All of these things add up.

I get the feeling that Steve is the founder of EscapePod/Escape Artists, but I'm not sure.  If so, Steve, please open the process up to people you trust.  if you need to take a break, do so, but open it up to people who are asking to help.

Escape Artists is a 501c3 nonprofit organization, from my understanding.  If the board of directors is reading this, or if someone can forward it to the board, or even if Steve is the president, I hope that the board considers the current status of EscapePod and seriously consider Steve's role with the organization and the podcast.  If this were a business he would be gone and people who wanted/could do the work would be there.

If Steve and EscapePod want to continue I hope that they can as a BARE MINIMUM do the following.  My requests are:
1) Post an update to the main site in light of growing worry of listeners.  Say something.
2) Allow potential volunteers to contribute in some manner, be it selecting stories, finding readers, contacting authors, editing, doing the intros, etc.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Russell Nash on February 04, 2009, 11:17:42 AM
I get the feeling that Steve is the founder of EscapePod/Escape Artists, but I'm not sure.  If so, Steve, please open the process up to people you trust.  if you need to take a break, do so, but open it up to people who are asking to help.

Escape Artists is a 501c3 nonprofit organization, from my understanding.  If the board of directors is reading this, or if someone can forward it to the board, or even if Steve is the president, I hope that the board considers the current status of EscapePod and seriously consider Steve's role with the organization and the podcast.  If this were a business he would be gone and people who wanted/could do the work would be there.

If Steve and EscapePod want to continue I hope that they can as a BARE MINIMUM do the following.  My requests are:
1) Post an update to the main site in light of growing worry of listeners.  Say something.
2) Allow potential volunteers to contribute in some manner, be it selecting stories, finding readers, contacting authors, editing, doing the intros, etc.


Missmeko,

Calm down.  First Steve is EA.  This is his baby, start to finish. 

Second, Steve stated in a succession of intros that EP is a for-profit corporation.  Steve is also the sole share holder.  The board answers to the share holders and that's him.

Third, EP is free.  It doesn't have contracts that it must fill with the exception of sponsorship deals.  EA is delivering 2 out of three podcasts right now.  These people are doing this out of their basements for essentially no money.  Whenever there is something left over after bandwidth fees and writers fees, it ends up going to new hardware or software to make these podcasts sound better for you.

We would all like to hear what's going on, but none of us have any right to make demands.  Steve has a life to live outside of EP.  When he has time for us again, he'll be back.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: missmeka on February 04, 2009, 12:28:44 PM
I disagree with the moderator's response because it completely missed the point of my post.  I wasn't demanding anything, despite being a donor and despite promoting escape pod.  All my friends that started listening think this is another podcast that is fizzling out.  Well, the moderator might believe this is steve's baby from start to finish, but I don't think that is okay.  Go back and look at all the posts where people are worried, people saying they will help, people talking about giving money to support this.  It stopped being steve's baby when he started accepting donations.  There might not be contractual obligations, but there is a relationship between listeners, donors, and supporters, and that relationship is not being respected by steve and/or the other staff.

AThere has been no official word on the site or even the forums about EscapePod.  Going so far to look at Steve's twitter page, and taking his word, he has failed to do as he says twice in a row.  There was a promise of something on the 23rd.. then no explanation until the 28th only to say something would be coming.  Steve: "Our best marketing is and always will be word of mouth.  if you are enjoying Escape Pod tell people about it."

# Yes, Escape Pod is still alive. Yes, it's coming. I'd have had it up tonight, but I destroyed my voice screaming about something. Tomorrow. 7:49 PM Jan 28th from web

Sorry for EP being late. There's been stuff. It'll be up either today or tomorrow. Meanwhile, this week's Drabblecast is astonishing.  5:28 AM Jan 23rd from txt
Some information from EscapePod Metacast #2: http://escapepod.org/2006/05/09/ep-metacast-2/
Sole means of support: listener donations
$600 / month - average donation in may 2006
$300 / month - stories
$20 / week - paid staff

Goals for EscapePod:
want 20,000 subscribers in 2007
need $2000 / month in 2007


Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Talia on February 04, 2009, 01:23:32 PM
Why not just be patient? I dont get it. Can you REALLY not live without EP for a while? So he's got stuff going on. Be patient, find other podcasts to listen to (there are plenty of quality ones), and check back periodically.

Getting in a tizzy about it doesn't help anything or anyone.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Ben Phillips on February 04, 2009, 01:42:57 PM
For the record, we are all highly conscientious about our obligations to our donors, and none more so than our fearless leader.  I won't speak for him per se, but I'm on immensely safe ground saying that much.  I have been in communication with the man, and we are doing everything reasonable to get Escape Pod firing again, and reliably, as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Russell Nash on February 04, 2009, 02:02:24 PM
Missmeka,  Do not qualify my responses as coming from the "moderator".  You can ask around, but I'm quite capable of keeping my roles as moderator and poster separate.  There was no need to moderate your post.  As a poster I was refraining from telling you to grow up. 

Steve has the numbers in front of him and knows what happens to donations far better than any of us.  He also understands better than you what it takes to delegate work out to people he can't pay proper rates to. 

Sorry to the forums at large for this post, but all of the regulars know how I feel about people who show up just to tell everyone how they should do things.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Poppydragon on February 04, 2009, 06:09:29 PM
I really do hope that everything does get up and running again. However in the mean time I shall quite happily wait...after all, it's well worth waiting for.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Bdoomed on February 04, 2009, 06:15:36 PM
I'm with you guys, Russell and Talia. (a little harsh tho Russell...)
patience is a virtue.  I miss my EP but it gives me time to catch up on ones i have not yet listened to, also to catch up on other podcasts.  I'm very worried for Steve but he has said on the forums recently that there have been problems with Wordpress.

We're all swearing at it too.  If I'm not mistaken: Libsyn is hosting the mp3s, and doing a fine job, while the web and forums server is a separate machine which keeps getting taken down by, we strongly suspect, a memory leak in Podpress (http://forum.escapeartists.net/index.php?topic=1944.0), the plugin for WordPress -- both of which can be updated at this point and will be soon.  Steve's not optimistic that this is really a long-term fix, particularly seeing the perpetual security problems with WordPress (e.g., wonderful marvelous spam), but it's worth a shot.

Now, when your podcatcher doesn't update that's an unrelated issue (http://forum.escapeartists.net/index.php?topic=2257.msg40164#msg40164), I believe, and we're looking into that as well.
Yep.  What Ben said.  We're going to try some Wordpress upgrades and see if that stems the tide; in the just slightly longer run, I'm flexing my Rails muscles working on building something better.

Sorry things have been sucking.  It's going to improve.

Apologies to missmeka for the ambiguity of everything, however you should know that we are a happy little community here and you can ask anything you want and (usually) you will get an answer promptly, or a link to another thread.  All the information we know is on the forums in one place or another, ya just gotta ask so the people who know the information and where it is can direct you to it.  Simply barging in and complaining isn't going to change much.  I'm sure Steve knows how everyone feels, no matter if they express it or not.  Dissenting feelings are to be expected, but come on, lighten up a bit :)
It'll all resolve itself sometime, probably sooner than later too :)
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: missmeka on February 04, 2009, 10:41:23 PM
Well thanks everyone for your er responses.  I don't mean to come in and tell anyone how to run things.  But as a listener, donor, supporter, someone who wants this thing to be successful, I had hoped that folks would have been a bit more welcoming.  That's no problem every internet forum has its clique and its trolls... I forgot where I was and didn't forsee that the people who had been on here would take issue with my audacity, given that I am new.

To be honest I've all but given up on it as it's become inconsistent twice now in recent months.  And that is okay.

The ONLY reason I've asked for official notification is because this is what I heard STEVE say several times in his metacasts and updates.  "This is professional," "I want this to succeed,"  "Second largest scifi ...,"  I think that's very cool, and I've supported with money and time and goodwill.

I haven't listened to an escape pod episode since november, none have appealed to me from the descriptions, so I read chomsky, listen to podcastle, watch tv, cook, or do other things with my time.  The only way I saw EP was in google reader when there are no updates. 

Part of the reason i took the time to post in the first place is because i have been through depression, overcommitting myself, death of loved ones, getting fired, not meeting deadlines...all of this in the last few months.  The things that Steve says he's dealing with.. could have been a mirror of my life.. and that was one of the reasons I kept listening.  So, if I come across as critical of steve as a person please know that I in no way intend to do so.  Escape Pod could shut down today and as long as this man and his family are okay that is what is important.

All I was asking for was some information... which has been communicated through twitter, to make it to the front page... out of respect to all the supporters.  If yall think that that is an unreasonable demand then I don't know what to say.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Zathras on February 04, 2009, 10:49:45 PM
missmeka,

This is not an exclusive forum.  Trust me.  You just came in pretty aggressive.  I speak from personal experience when I say that you will be welcome here.  I started off on the wrong foot, too.  I had actually deleted my account, but came back to read some other posts.  I realized that I over reacted.  I created a new account with the same name, and here I am.  This forum is probably the most troll free zone on the 'net.  Well, unless you head over to the Pseudopod section, then there's no telling what you'll find.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: izzardfan on February 04, 2009, 10:54:08 PM
This forum is probably the most troll free zone on the 'net.  Well, unless you head over to the Pseudopod section, then there's no telling what you'll find.

Wasn't there a troll in one of the Podcastle stories?  Or am I disremembering?
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Zathras on February 04, 2009, 10:58:57 PM
This forum is probably the most troll free zone on the 'net.  Well, unless you head over to the Pseudopod section, then there's no telling what you'll find.

Wasn't there a troll in one of the Podcastle stories?  Or am I disremembering?


Maybe, but they don't let them run around the forums.   ;D
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: DKT on February 04, 2009, 11:01:41 PM
missmeka,

This is not an exclusive forum.  Trust me.  You just came in pretty aggressive.  I speak from personal experience when I say that you will be welcome here.  I started off on the wrong foot, too.  I had actually deleted my account, but came back to read some other posts.  I realized that I over reacted.  I created a new account with the same name, and here I am.  This forum is probably the most troll free zone on the 'net.  Well, unless you head over to the Pseudopod section, then there's no telling what you'll find.

Wait a minute! That asshole was you! Man, you think you know somebody... ;)
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Zathras on February 04, 2009, 11:10:06 PM
Wait a minute! That asshole was you! Man, you think you know somebody... ;)

Depends.  Darwinist was Zathras before I was Zathras.  10 of us there are, slight pronunciation difference.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Swamp on February 04, 2009, 11:29:50 PM
But as a listener, donor, supporter, someone who wants this thing to be successful, I had hoped that folks would have been a bit more welcoming.  That's no problem every internet forum has its clique and its trolls...

First, let me say "Welcome."

I think what you are experiencing is that since many of us have been here for years now (some from Day One), before there was a PsuedoPod or a PodCastle , is that we are a little protective of Escape Artists, a.k.a. Steve Eley.  We are worried about him, too.  For what it's worth, I also think it would be helpful to have a brief message on the website, but I'm willing to wait for Steve to announce his next move, or simply say "Hello, and welcome to EscapePod..." again.

I hope you stick with us here in the forum.  From personal experience, I'd say there is no such thing as an EP clique.  Well, I guess there is that Church of N_SH cult.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: FamilyGuy on February 04, 2009, 11:57:37 PM
I believe Steve said somewhere that he has gotten a challenging (in a good way) job that is eating up a lot of his time.  I'm sure this is a bump in the road and will resolve itself.  I'm willing to go on a little faith.

That and I'm down to a mere 5 day podcast backlog now.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: SFEley on February 05, 2009, 06:51:35 AM
Hi all,

Escape Pod 187 will be up later on today.  For real.  It's a Ken Scholes story.  It's alternate history.  It'll spin your head.

Thank you for all the concern.  I am alive.  Escape Pod will continue.  Escape Artists will continue.  EA is bigger than me.  Steps have been taken in light of that.  I will talk a bit about that in the outro.

Be excellent to each other, sirs and madams.  The partying on shall resume.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Ocicat on February 05, 2009, 06:53:55 AM
There is that one positive side effect - I now have no podcast backlog for the first time since - well, since Podcastle launched.  Escape Pod and Podcastle always go on first on the listen queue, and the other things I listen to get pushed down to "when there's time" and tend to build up there a bit.  But now I've finished off everything else AND the Escape Pod Archive!

Which is kind of nice.  Not as nice as new Escape Pod episodes, granted...
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Zathras on February 05, 2009, 07:36:42 AM
Looks like I caught up on all the old episodes I missed just in time!  Finished Squonk The Apprentice last night.

Thanks for the update, Steve.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Talia on February 05, 2009, 07:51:38 AM
Yay! :)
Title: Escape Pod
Post by: Raving_Lunatic on February 05, 2009, 12:32:31 PM
Hi all,

Escape Pod 187 will be up later on today.  For real.  It's a Ken Scholes story.  It's alternate history.  It'll spin your head.

Thank you for all the concern.  I am alive.  Escape Pod will continue.  Escape Artists will continue.  EA is bigger than me.  Steps have been taken in light of that.  I will talk a bit about that in the outro.

Be excellent to each other, sirs and madams.  The partying on shall resume.

Thanks Steve for addressing the concerns.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Raving_Lunatic on February 05, 2009, 12:36:01 PM
This forum is probably the most troll free zone on the 'net.  Well, unless you head over to the Pseudopod section, then there's no telling what you'll find.

Arguable. I've been trolling Radiohead in virtually every single one of my posts, although I did originally come here for my love of Escape Pod.


Mod: fixed quoting
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: alllie on February 05, 2009, 12:42:38 PM
You know how they claim that people you see on TV, you feel like they are family, at least some of them. I never felt like that, never felt I knew them or they knew me or I had any right to know about them. But with Steve and Escape Pod, I do feel like Steve is family, like he is a valued but distantly related part of my family, one I hear about but have never met. So when Steve and Escape Pod disappear I worry, like worrying about that great cousin who lives a thousand miles away but that the family says is having a hard time.

I’m sorry if that is an imposition. But I’m glad that Escape Pod will be back, not so much for the podcast, but because it means that Steve is okay. Or I hope it means that.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: SFEley on February 05, 2009, 01:08:09 PM
I’m sorry if that is an imposition. But I’m glad that Escape Pod will be back, not so much for the podcast, but because it means that Steve is okay. Or I hope it means that.

It does.  I'm okay.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: eytanz on February 05, 2009, 03:53:06 PM
I’m sorry if that is an imposition. But I’m glad that Escape Pod will be back, not so much for the podcast, but because it means that Steve is okay. Or I hope it means that.

It does.  I'm okay.  Thank you.


Now that is really good to hear.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: DKT on February 05, 2009, 04:27:07 PM
Thanks, Steve. Good to hear from you.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: MacArthurBug on February 05, 2009, 04:38:21 PM
Let me third (fourth?) the thanks for letting us know you're okay Steve. I'm with alllie on this- I feel like the escape folks are distant family. I worry when the cast is late or the site is down not just 'cause it's feeding my addiction for amazing stories, but because it's like my buddies might be in trouble. So-so-so glad things are okay enough to keep on keeping on.

Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Raving_Lunatic on February 05, 2009, 06:10:55 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Josh on February 05, 2009, 07:42:53 PM
Great to hear from you Steve, I sincerely hope you are well rested and doing better!
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: contra on February 06, 2009, 12:58:04 AM
Steve,  I'm glad you are ok. 

I'm not sure I have anything else to say.  I'm really just glad everythings ok.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: jeremiah on February 06, 2009, 04:20:32 AM
It is good to hear that you are back among us Steve.  Understand that while we may seem an inconvenience and an unneeded added pressure, most of us were/are just happy to see you back!

Now get on with your bad self and give us an intro to be proud of, hoss!

best wishes!
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: SFEley on February 06, 2009, 04:45:39 AM
Okay, a few more hours.  Tomorrow.  Sorry.

I'm thinking of boycotting February 5th.  Next year I may have to have my calendars altered to remove it.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Windup on February 06, 2009, 05:41:32 AM

Okay, a few more hours.  Tomorrow.  Sorry.


Patient, glad you're OK, but I'll admit that I did come here to check...   ;)



I'm thinking of boycotting February 5th.  Next year I may have to have my calendars altered to remove it.


I think you have to be a Pope or a Roman Emporer to do something like that.  I don't think Autarch is enough to let you dink with the calendar. ::)

Besides, <<gazes into hat>> this time next year, you'll be celebrating your greatest year ever...  (I'm an Honest Man.)
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: shadowstep on February 06, 2009, 09:50:25 AM
i finally investigated to see what was up and am relieved to see the drought has come to an end. it'll be all the sweeter.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Clutron on February 06, 2009, 03:26:58 PM
Glad to have EP back!  I am a huge fan and truly appreciate having these stories every week.  I'd just like to offer thanks to Steve and Anna for all of their hard work in putting this together.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: godzilla8nj on February 06, 2009, 04:27:59 PM
I am alive.  Escape Pod will continue.  Escape Artists will continue.

All good things come to those who wait. Welcome back, Steve.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Arion on February 07, 2009, 02:33:26 AM
On the up side of this delay, due to a recommendation from the Autarch and jonesing for some short fic, I checked out the Drabble cast.  Thanks so much for the tip on that show.  It's really weird wild stuff.  Sadly I burned through the entire backlog, so it's back to week-to-week short fiction for me...

O, btw, while your modifying the calendar remove Feb 16th while we're at it.  Let's really make February the shortest month.  (from one Aquarian Steve to another...)

Arion
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: MacArthurBug on February 07, 2009, 03:21:47 AM
Personally it's not having the birthdays I mind, or even getting older (much) it's the way people act around you on your birthday. I am lucky enough to be well loved- so people expect me to expect something on "the day" when really all I want is all I ever want on any other day - wich usually involves a warm drink in a mug.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Raving_Lunatic on February 07, 2009, 02:09:54 PM
Every birthday puts me one step closer to the stage where my opinion matters.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: MacArthurBug on February 07, 2009, 02:44:16 PM
Every birthday puts me one step closer to the stage where my opinion matters.

I dunno I'm (mumblemumblethirtysomething) older then you and my opinion still rarely matters. But I get where you're coming from.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Ocicat on February 07, 2009, 10:19:05 PM
Let him keep his illusions!   ;)



Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Randomtime on February 07, 2009, 11:11:00 PM
It's up now, thanks Steve
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: godzilla8nj on February 08, 2009, 01:02:19 AM
It's up now, thanks Steve
...and good. WB EP!
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: MrWednesday on February 08, 2009, 04:56:38 PM
Hurrah! EP is back. Glad you're alright Steve. We wuz worried.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: BugJackBarron on February 09, 2009, 03:55:17 AM
EP is back!  Mr. Ely, every one of these podcasts is a gift.  Thanks for another. 
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: stePH on February 10, 2009, 01:58:19 AM
EP is back!  Mr. Ely, every one of these podcasts is a gift.  Thanks for another. 

Thank you sir!  May I have another?  ;)
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Praxis on February 16, 2009, 08:08:06 PM
This is not a complaint by any stretch of even a warped, vengeful John Cavil-type imagination

But......

I am wondering if there is/was going to be an episode for last week.

Have elves stolen the new stories?
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: showerkapp on February 17, 2009, 02:28:39 PM
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I am wondering if there is/was going to be an episode for last week.

Wondering the same thing. Have Escape Pods moved from Thursday to Saturday or to an unpredictable schedule altogether? Don't get me wrong, I love EP and have the greatest respect for Mr. Eley, but he is running this as a business—complete with CEO and, may I add, a fair number of paying subscribers (of which I'm one).

I do understand that it'll take time for the new CEO of Escape Artists and the new crew helping out to iron out the kinks and get back to a regular schedule, so I'm not worried yet. Just chiming in here to say I hope to see a new EP on Thursday this week—and to play devil's advocate on what's otherwise a lovefest here in the forums.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
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Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: AarrowOM on February 17, 2009, 08:40:58 PM
This is not a complaint by any stretch of even a warped, vengeful John Cavil-type imagination

Of course, he'd lament the fact that he'd have to experience EP in the limited expression of human speech.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: stePH on February 18, 2009, 01:21:11 AM
Have elves stolen the new stories?

Signs point to yes.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on February 18, 2009, 01:53:42 AM
Have elves stolen the new stories?

Signs point to yes.

Oi, they are securely sequestered in my third of the forums, and I haven't let them out. Signs point to no.

Check on the stuff coming out of the dank alleys of Pseudopod. Bdoomed's never been able to get that one under control.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Bdoomed on February 18, 2009, 05:08:09 AM
Have elves stolen the new stories?

Signs point to yes.

Oi, they are securely sequestered in my third of the forums, and I haven't let them out. Signs point to no.

Check on the stuff coming out of the dank alleys of Pseudopod. Bdoomed's never been able to get that one under control.
so dirty... seems like every time i pick up something, it's replaced by 5 other things
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on February 18, 2009, 05:31:59 AM
Have elves stolen the new stories?

Signs point to yes.

Oi, they are securely sequestered in my third of the forums, and I haven't let them out. Signs point to no.

Check on the stuff coming out of the dank alleys of Pseudopod. Bdoomed's never been able to get that one under control.
so dirty... seems like every time i pick up something, it's replaced by 5 other things

You see, that's why fantasy is the superior genre. I don't have to be better than everything, I just need to be strong enough to beat the survivor of the fittest. A little mithiril, a few spells, Sting, and I'm taken care of. Sure, every now and then I need to slay a particularly troublesome dragon, but all I have to do is pull out the dragonscale armor and wait for them to get tired of breathing fire.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: stePH on February 18, 2009, 05:57:35 AM
Have elves stolen the new stories?

Signs point to yes.

Oi, they are securely sequestered in my third of the forums, and I haven't let them out. Signs point to no.

Well, that's what my
(http://www.ocblog.net/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/20/magic8ball_2.gif)
told me.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: showerkapp on February 18, 2009, 06:41:55 AM
Well, I do have to say that the lack of new EPs has led me over to Pseudopod, which I'm enjoying. Hasn't been as pure horror as I thought it would and still blends enough SF into it to appeal to the EP part of my brain.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: DKT on February 18, 2009, 06:54:29 AM
Have elves stolen the new stories?

Signs point to yes.

Oi, they are securely sequestered in my third of the forums, and I haven't let them out. Signs point to no.

Check on the stuff coming out of the dank alleys of Pseudopod. Bdoomed's never been able to get that one under control.
so dirty... seems like every time i pick up something, it's replaced by 5 other things

You see, that's why fantasy is the superior genre. I don't have to be better than everything, I just need to be strong enough to beat the survivor of the fittest. A little mithiril, a few spells, Sting, and I'm taken care of. Sure, every now and then I need to slay a particularly troublesome dragon, but all I have to do is pull out the dragonscale armor and wait for them to get tired of breathing fire.

Hokey swords and ancient mithiril are no use when you've got BRAINS on your side (and on the ground and on the...)
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: stePH on February 18, 2009, 02:16:18 PM
Hokey swords and ancient mithiril are no use when you've got BRAINS on your side (and on the ground and on the...)

What is it with you people and zombies? 
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Listener on February 18, 2009, 02:21:12 PM
A little mithiril, a few spells, Sting, and I'm taken care of.

(http://www.solarnavigator.net/music/music_images/sting_playing_bass_guitar_lit.jpg)

Or perhaps:

(http://images.movieeye.com/store/DVDs/014381307924.jpg)

I get confused, y'see...
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Zathras on February 18, 2009, 02:31:28 PM
Why'd you pick the lame-o Crow ripoff picture of Sting?

This is more like it:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3640/3290623886_bf117ca7aa_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on February 18, 2009, 04:50:42 PM
Hokey swords and ancient mithiril are no use when you've got BRAINS on your side (and on the ground and on the...)

What is it with you people and zombies? 

You act like you weren't here for When the End Comes! (http://forum.escapeartists.net/index.php?topic=20.380)
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: DKT on February 18, 2009, 04:54:09 PM
Hokey swords and ancient mithiril are no use when you've got BRAINS on your side (and on the ground and on the...)

What is it with you people and zombies? 

You act like you weren't here for When the End Comes! (http://forum.escapeartists.net/index.php?topic=20.380)

And dude, you've been going through the backlogs. EVERYTHING'S better with Zombies...
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: stePH on February 19, 2009, 01:53:04 AM
What is it with you people and zombies? 

You act like you weren't here for When the End Comes! (http://forum.escapeartists.net/index.php?topic=20.380)

 
And dude, you've been going through the backlogs. EVERYTHING'S better with Zombies...

I'm only up through "Bliss", #34 .  "Locked Doors" is next.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Windup on February 19, 2009, 01:59:25 AM

This is turning into a thread hijack so severe it may be prosecuted under international anti-piracy conventions...  ::)
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on February 19, 2009, 02:11:40 AM
This is turning into a thread hijack so severe it may be prosecuted under international anti-piracy conventions...  ::)

Splitting it would be too much trouble at this point. Plus the reason for the thread died, and now it's undied... Undead.

Uh-Oh.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Zathras on February 19, 2009, 02:13:06 AM
This is turning into a thread hijack so severe it may be prosecuted under international anti-piracy conventions...  ::)

Splitting it would be too much trouble at this point. Plus the reason for the thread died, and now it's undied... Undead.

Uh-Oh.

See?  Everything is better with zombies!   ;D
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: FamilyGuy on February 19, 2009, 03:53:35 AM
Zombie threads, they'll leave you in stitches.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Swamp on February 20, 2009, 02:49:15 PM
Zombie threads, they'll leave you in stitches.


Sorry, dude.  PseudoPun (http://forum.escapeartists.net/index.php?topic=2261.0) is over.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: godzilla8nj on February 20, 2009, 04:04:58 PM
the reason for the thread died
Has it? Because I still haven't seen an official announcement about the newest delay. Not complaining about me free EP goodness, but I'd like to know if it's now every other week or once a month or...?
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Zathras on February 20, 2009, 04:09:50 PM
Zombie threads, they'll leave you in stitches.


Sorry, dude.  PseudoPun (http://forum.escapeartists.net/index.php?topic=2261.0) is over.

Pseudopun never dies.  It always returns to elicit more groans.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on February 20, 2009, 06:42:01 PM
the reason for the thread died
Has it? Because I still haven't seen an official announcement about the newest delay. Not complaining about me free EP goodness, but I'd like to know if it's now every other week or once a month or...?

I guess it hasn't, and I don't know the answer to EP's delay. I know why Podcastle's been a little wonky, but your best bet for EP is emailing Steve.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Praxis on February 21, 2009, 09:54:25 PM
Should we try twittering Steve?
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: izzardfan on February 21, 2009, 11:11:55 PM
Should we try twittering Steve?

Heradel already does.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on February 21, 2009, 11:19:14 PM
Sometimes, and usually about the forums, not EP's status. Steve seems to be kind of a drive-by twitterer(ie, going to the website instead of using one of the programs), so I'd hazard a guess that email would be more efficient.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Praxis on February 22, 2009, 12:00:49 AM
What designation is 'palmer' anyway?

I know what I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: izzardfan on February 22, 2009, 12:05:29 AM
Sometimes, and usually about the forums, not EP's status. Steve seems to be kind of a drive-by twitterer(ie, going to the website instead of using one of the programs), so I'd hazard a guess that email would be more efficient.

I just started on Twitter recently (I have all of 3 updates so far) but I noticed your most recent tweet (as of this writing) was to Steve about the forum and interior blog pages being down.  As I'd seen more from Steve on Twitter lately than anywhere else, I figured it's what you did.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on February 22, 2009, 12:27:22 AM
What designation is 'palmer' anyway?

I know what I'm thinking.

See here: http://forum.escapeartists.net/index.php?topic=1209.0


Sometimes, and usually about the forums, not EP's status. Steve seems to be kind of a drive-by twitterer(ie, going to the website instead of using one of the programs), so I'd hazard a guess that email would be more efficient.

I just started on Twitter recently (I have all of 3 updates so far) but I noticed your most recent tweet (as of this writing) was to Steve about the forum and interior blog pages being down.  As I'd seen more from Steve on Twitter lately than anywhere else, I figured it's what you did.
I usually do both, but only if the outage is prolonged. We've had a few where it's only down for a couple minutes or less than an hour, so I don't blast out notice of those.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: FNH on February 22, 2009, 03:44:21 PM
So... I thought the next show was due out on the 20th.  I wonder what's happening in pod central?
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: showerkapp on February 23, 2009, 06:24:17 AM
Just canceled my subscription to Escape Pod. Will resubscribe when Escape Artists shows it can put out the show on a consistent basis. It's been fun. See ya.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: stePH on February 23, 2009, 02:08:55 PM
Just canceled my subscription to Escape Pod. Will resubscribe when Escape Artists shows it can put out the show on a consistent basis. It's been fun. See ya.

Sheesh.  Goodbye Mr. Touchy, don't let the door hit you.

It costs me nothing to stay subscribed, and a new episode shows up when it shows up.  But maybe I'm used to this sort of thing from listening to Dan Carlin's podcasts (to say nothing of Dani Cutler).
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: showerkapp on February 23, 2009, 02:35:28 PM
Quote
It costs me nothing to stay subscribed, and a new episode shows up when it shows up.

Maybe I should have been more clear. I canceled my paid subscription to Escape Pod. Granted, $5 a month is not that much in the big scheme of things, but I paid it when Steve asked for support early on in the show's history because I truly do love EP and felt I needed to donate to help keep it going.

I was fine with maintaining my donation through the rough patches, too, but this most recent round of no-show, no-info is maddening.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Bdoomed on February 23, 2009, 09:41:38 PM
Quote
It costs me nothing to stay subscribed, and a new episode shows up when it shows up.

Maybe I should have been more clear. I canceled my paid subscription to Escape Pod. Granted, $5 a month is not that much in the big scheme of things, but I paid it when Steve asked for support early on in the show's history because I truly do love EP and felt I needed to donate to help keep it going.

I was fine with maintaining my donation through the rough patches, too, but this most recent round of no-show, no-info is maddening.
ah thats more understandable.
i wonder how many other donators EP is losing over this?
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: sburnap on February 23, 2009, 11:03:39 PM
Quote
It costs me nothing to stay subscribed, and a new episode shows up when it shows up.

Maybe I should have been more clear. I canceled my paid subscription to Escape Pod. Granted, $5 a month is not that much in the big scheme of things, but I paid it when Steve asked for support early on in the show's history because I truly do love EP and felt I needed to donate to help keep it going.

I was fine with maintaining my donation through the rough patches, too, but this most recent round of no-show, no-info is maddening.
ah thats more understandable.
i wonder how many other donators EP is losing over this?

I did the same.  $5 for a month's episodes was a reasonable value for me.  $5/episode...not so much.

I left my subscription up through the original two month break to show support.  (Or maybe to atone for the first year's free usage.)  But I'm not really comfortable paying for something irregular.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: fuzzygnome on February 24, 2009, 05:53:14 AM
me too.  5 an ep isn't a terrible deal, but I made the call to cancel too.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Talia on February 24, 2009, 07:09:21 AM
Just a transitional time, folks. Things wil be rough till they sort things out. But I have faith eventually the flow will get back to normal.. or perhaps bi-weekly, which would be fine.

But for now, just consider EP a work in progress as the details are sorted out, I imagine. :)
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: eytanz on February 24, 2009, 09:10:34 AM
Just a transitional time, folks. Things wil be rough till they sort things out. But I have faith eventually the flow will get back to normal.. or perhaps bi-weekly, which would be fine.

But for now, just consider EP a work in progress as the details are sorted out, I imagine. :)

I agree, but I also entirely understand people who want to hold on to their money until the dust settles, especially since information about what is going on has been very spotty.

And actually - as an EP fan who has not been able to make regular donations - I would like to thank everyone who has. I'm getting free entertainment thanks to people like the posters above, and I owe them thanks. Hopefully, my own finances will reach the point where i can make donations not long after EP and PC return to regular operations, but for now, many thanks to everyone who is or was a regular subscriber.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: sburnap on February 24, 2009, 07:53:36 PM
Also, I will commit to turning the monthly donation back on once the feed becomes regular again.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: fuzzygnome on February 25, 2009, 08:47:08 AM
I'll add, that EP will have to win me again from Drabblecast and Pseudopod, two very different podcasts that are amazing and related, but amaziing since I've subscribed.  Won't be hard though, there's room enough if they come regularly.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: MacArthurBug on February 25, 2009, 07:12:28 PM
just... *twitch* so hard to be a patient and understanding human. I know! Okay I know this is a hard transition. I'm honestly a bit empathic about the situation.. but... I miss having stories! I miss the quality stuff.  I continue to wait. But every week that I look at my feed and it's empty I get a little grumpy. I've only put money towards EA a few times, we're a generally poor family, and if I thought It'd do a darn thing I'd put another $5 in the hat/box.

Man I need a drink and a fireplace to 86 my glass into.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: izzardfan on February 25, 2009, 07:20:54 PM
Man I need a drink and a fireplace to 86 my glass into.

Yay Callahan's!
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on February 27, 2009, 06:32:55 AM
EP#188 is up. I'd make the thread, but Russell knows where I live now. Or at least, an approximation of where I live, dependent on his ability to decode four octets. Which, thinking about it, is probably rather poor, but anyway I've said enough here that he could get within a ±30 block range, so yes, not posting his thread, and back to wondering about when the next Podcastle's going up.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Zathras on February 27, 2009, 12:28:38 PM
EP#188 is up. I'd make the thread, but Russell knows where I live now. Or at least, an approximation of where I live, dependent on his ability to decode four octets. Which, thinking about it, is probably rather poor, but anyway I've said enough here that he could get within a ±30 block range, so yes, not posting his thread, and back to wondering about when the next Podcastle's going up.

I think the only reason why His attempted smiting on me didn't work in the middle of January is that He didn't know I was in Denver at the time.  I believe He now double checks locations before sending out smites.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Russell Nash on February 27, 2009, 03:17:39 PM
EP#188 is up. I'd make the thread, but Russell knows where I live now. Or at least, an approximation of where I live, dependent on his ability to decode four octets. Which, thinking about it, is probably rather poor, but anyway I've said enough here that he could get within a ±30 block range, so yes, not posting his thread, and back to wondering about when the next Podcastle's going up.

I think the only reason why His attempted smiting on me didn't work in the middle of January is that He didn't know I was in Denver at the time.  I believe He now double checks locations before sending out smites.

It wasn't a real attempt.  It was more of a warning.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: FNH on February 27, 2009, 05:24:58 PM
Ben has said the episode wil be up in the next couple of days.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: DKT on February 27, 2009, 08:11:46 PM
Ben has said the episode wil be up in the next couple of days.

Wait...PP or EP? And where did he say this?
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on February 27, 2009, 08:32:30 PM
Ben has said the episode wil be up in the next couple of days.

Wait...PP or EP? And where did he say this?

Or PC? Or is this just a Fail since the episode came out last night?
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Praxis on February 28, 2009, 07:05:19 PM
Good to hear another Escape Pod but, really, is no one going to say what the reason for no 'casts was this time?

Really?

I'm not complaining, and said Steve should take time off if/when he needs to but I'm amazed that there's been no reasons given.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: FNH on February 28, 2009, 09:43:01 PM
Ben has said the episode wil be up in the next couple of days.

Wait...PP or EP? And where did he say this?

I guess by now you know it was  EP.  In an email, I was queying why the episode I narrated hadn't gone up yet.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: DKT on March 02, 2009, 04:53:49 PM
Good to hear another Escape Pod but, really, is no one going to say what the reason for no 'casts was this time?

Really?

I'm not complaining, and said Steve should take time off if/when he needs to but I'm amazed that there's been no reasons given.

I would've been surprised if Jeff had explained what was happening with EP. I figured since it was a guest host, we wouldn't hear anything about it.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Praxis on March 02, 2009, 09:00:48 PM
I don't see why that means that no one else involved in Escape Pod/Escape Artists isn't able to give any information.
Given that this was the first 'cast after another break, it wouldn't have been strange to mention what was going on.

Like I said, not complaining but it seems v strange to me.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: missmeka on March 03, 2009, 03:58:53 AM
Where is some sort of information or notice about what is going on? Is it biweekly? monthly? Whenever the hell ever?  It's all good.  Just let us know.  When i mentioned this last month I got jumped on by someone.  Glad to see that other folks have had enough with this foolishness and are withdrawing financial support.   It is what is deserved.  In the last post at the start of February Steve said Ben Phillips would take over Escape Artists.  Hello?  Is anyone at home there?  What the hell do you all do?  What is going on.  This is a joke.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: stePH on March 03, 2009, 04:59:20 AM
Where is some sort of information or notice about what is going on? Is it biweekly? monthly? Whenever the hell ever?  It's all good.  Just let us know.  When i mentioned this last month I got jumped on by someone.  Glad to see that other folks have had enough with this foolishness and are withdrawing financial support.   It is what is deserved.  In the last post at the start of February Steve said Ben Phillips would take over Escape Artists.  Hello?  Is anyone at home there?  What the hell do you all do?  What is going on.  This is a joke.

So quit listening and go away, then. 
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Bdoomed on March 03, 2009, 06:57:21 AM
Where is some sort of information or notice about what is going on? Is it biweekly? monthly? Whenever the hell ever?  It's all good.  Just let us know.  When i mentioned this last month I got jumped on by someone.  Glad to see that other folks have had enough with this foolishness and are withdrawing financial support.   It is what is deserved.  In the last post at the start of February Steve said Ben Phillips would take over Escape Artists.  Hello?  Is anyone at home there?  What the hell do you all do?  What is going on.  This is a joke.

So quit listening and go away, then. 
hey hey hey, be nice. really.
however missmeka, be nice too.  :P
its okay to feel cheated or .... something, and maybe your patience has worn thin (tho i still advise, be patient)... but please word things... softer... if you will. :)  thats really the only reason why you are being jumped on, its the harsh tone, it's not appreciated here, we are civil people.

i think there is just an adjusting period going on.  granted, its a bit slower and shakier than i or anyone else would like, and it is a little ridiculous.... but it is what it is, and it will be what it will be :)
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Ben Phillips on March 03, 2009, 08:09:07 AM
What is happening:  various personal problems on which I am not at liberty to elaborate.  They will either be divulged to the public at a later time or not.  No one has a further explanation for you at this time.  Do whatever you think is best.

What is being done:  extensive hiring and restructuring, most of which is long overdue, and which is time consuming to implement -- especially with nearly every one of us living in a different state of the union or even nation of the world.  However, it is nonetheless well underway, and it will most assuredly result in Escape Pod and PodCastle returning to robust scheduling and the high-quality free programming to which you've grown accustomed.  But it will not do so instantaneously.  My guess (and for many reasons beyond the scope of this post, this can only be a guess) is that you will see a more reliable release schedule be resumed by Escape Pod and PodCastle by April.

Thanks very much for your inquiries, and any forgiveness you can muster.  I'll conclude with some general advice -- if you want to email someone a question about shows not being posted, and you're not hearing from the one failing to post them, you might have more luck if you try someone who's still posting some.  In this particular case, it turns out that you can do no better than the new CEO of the company:  editor @ pseudopod.org -- that's me, at your service.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Russell Nash on March 03, 2009, 08:51:20 AM
Ben seems to be putting on that sweatshirt with the bull's eye on the front, that I gave him for Christmas.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on March 03, 2009, 09:01:04 AM
Ben seems to be putting on that sweatshirt with the bull's eye on the front, that I gave him for Christmas.

Which is why your present to me is still in the back of the closet. I know better than to open up a present of yours, they always end up being more trouble than they're worth. I remember when you tried to give me the Congo last year — I told you that it wouldn't fit into my apartment. I live in Manhattan, not Salt Lake City or Atlanta were the apartment sizes are sane.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Russell Nash on March 03, 2009, 09:13:43 AM
Ben seems to be putting on that sweatshirt with the bull's eye on the front, that I gave him for Christmas.

Which is why your present to me is still in the back of the closet. I know better than to open up a present of yours, they always end up being more trouble than they're worth. I remember when you tried to give me the Congo last year — I told you that it wouldn't fit into my apartment. I live in Manhattan, not Salt Lake City or Atlanta were the apartment sizes are sane.

Would you prefer Rhode Island?  It's smaller.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on March 03, 2009, 09:20:26 AM
Ben seems to be putting on that sweatshirt with the bull's eye on the front, that I gave him for Christmas.

Which is why your present to me is still in the back of the closet. I know better than to open up a present of yours, they always end up being more trouble than they're worth. I remember when you tried to give me the Congo last year — I told you that it wouldn't fit into my apartment. I live in Manhattan, not Salt Lake City or Atlanta were the apartment sizes are sane.

Would you prefer Rhode Island?  It's smaller.

And have to deal with the 10.3% unemployment rate? I'm underemployed myself.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Russell Nash on March 03, 2009, 09:26:57 AM
Ben seems to be putting on that sweatshirt with the bull's eye on the front, that I gave him for Christmas.

Which is why your present to me is still in the back of the closet. I know better than to open up a present of yours, they always end up being more trouble than they're worth. I remember when you tried to give me the Congo last year — I told you that it wouldn't fit into my apartment. I live in Manhattan, not Salt Lake City or Atlanta were the apartment sizes are sane.

Would you prefer Rhode Island?  It's smaller.

And have to deal with the 10.3% unemployment rate? I'm underemployed myself.

And you say you're not hard to buy for.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Zathras on March 03, 2009, 12:49:09 PM
Ben seems to be putting on that sweatshirt with the bull's eye on the front, that I gave him for Christmas.

Which is why your present to me is still in the back of the closet. I know better than to open up a present of yours, they always end up being more trouble than they're worth. I remember when you tried to give me the Congo last year — I told you that it wouldn't fit into my apartment. I live in Manhattan, not Salt Lake City or Atlanta were the apartment sizes are sane.

Did he try to mail it?

Seriously, I will be mailing a check for my donation when things get straightened out.  I have issues with PayPal, but that's another thread.  I do think that Ben's post is probably overdue.  I believe that, other than general concern for the crew of EA, most of us would be fine with an update like this once in a while.  The lack of any kind of explanation makes people feel unappreciated. 

I had accepted the fact that there were things going on, so I'm ok with waiting.

I hope everyone's personal issues work out as best as possible.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: missmeka on March 03, 2009, 03:41:22 PM
Thanks, CEO / Editor of Pseudopod / Someone there...  thank you for addressing worries.

I'm sorry if my tone is harsh.  I should have written that down and re-read it.  IBut you know, it really is exactly what I was thinking.  No more and no less.

I guess I am upset and have this attitude because I thought I was seeing something I love fall apart.  And not just fall apart, but indeed, explode, implode, blow up in a big bang of empty promises and excuses from Steve.  I am so happy to hear from someone else other than him.  It's about time.  My question is.. where are the other people that work on this?  Why is it such a black box?
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Bdoomed on March 03, 2009, 05:33:50 PM
My question is.. where are the other people that work on this?  Why is it such a black box?
They are all either captured or dead... or... captured AND dead! (prize to whoever gets the reference)

seems to me like there's just a lot of personal issues that are running rampant, scary no?
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Talia on March 03, 2009, 06:24:02 PM
Thanks, CEO / Editor of Pseudopod / Someone there...  thank you for addressing worries.

I'm sorry if my tone is harsh.  I should have written that down and re-read it.  IBut you know, it really is exactly what I was thinking.  No more and no less.

I guess I am upset and have this attitude because I thought I was seeing something I love fall apart.  And not just fall apart, but indeed, explode, implode, blow up in a big bang of empty promises and excuses from Steve.  I am so happy to hear from someone else other than him.  It's about time.  My question is.. where are the other people that work on this?  Why is it such a black box?

They are tied up in my basement.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Russell Nash on March 03, 2009, 06:53:28 PM

They are tied up in my basement.

Can I play with the puppy?

(this has become the obscure reference thread)
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: stePH on March 03, 2009, 08:12:48 PM
Can I play with the puppy?

(this has become the obscure reference thread)

What do you mean, you can't find them?  How do you lose a six foot bitch and a talking rock?
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Praxis on March 03, 2009, 11:15:28 PM
".....They are unable to respond
 They are unwilling to respond."

I mean, if we are going to play Reference Obscura.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: stePH on March 03, 2009, 11:27:53 PM
Suppose orgasms are killing people ... what would you say about a person who has ... multiple orgasms?
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on March 03, 2009, 11:33:08 PM
Suppose orgasms are killing people ... what would you say about a person who has ... multiple orgasms?

That they really need to get around to achieving Nirvana.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Raving_Lunatic on March 04, 2009, 08:24:15 PM
I hate to go miles off topic, but may I just say I am rather honoured to have my dainty little thread become the official Escape Artists problem thread. It warms the very cockles of my heart.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on March 04, 2009, 08:34:59 PM
I hate to go miles off topic, but may I just say I am rather honoured to have my dainty little thread become the official Escape Artists problem thread. It warms the very cockles of my heart.

Considering PC and EP came out within hours of each other last night I'm thinking we might be out of the worst of it.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Raving_Lunatic on March 04, 2009, 08:37:27 PM
I hate to go miles off topic, but may I just say I am rather honoured to have my dainty little thread become the official Escape Artists problem thread. It warms the very cockles of my heart.

Considering PC and EP came out within hours of each other last night I'm thinking we might be out of the worst of it.

Yep. I think the new problem is your obsessive information posting
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Russell Nash on March 04, 2009, 09:13:29 PM
I hate to go miles off topic, but may I just say I am rather honoured to have my dainty little thread become the official Escape Artists problem thread. It warms the very cockles of my heart.

Considering PC and EP came out within hours of each other last night I'm thinking we might be out of the worst of it.

Yep. I think the new problem is your obsessive information posting

I've tried to get him to get help for that.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on March 04, 2009, 10:02:51 PM
I hate to go miles off topic, but may I just say I am rather honoured to have my dainty little thread become the official Escape Artists problem thread. It warms the very cockles of my heart.

Considering PC and EP came out within hours of each other last night I'm thinking we might be out of the worst of it.

Yep. I think the new problem is your obsessive information posting

I've tried to get him to get help for that.

Oh ha ha ha. I try to light a match instead of curse the darkness, and it turns out the darkness very much liked being dark.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Russell Nash on March 04, 2009, 10:24:05 PM
I hate to go miles off topic, but may I just say I am rather honoured to have my dainty little thread become the official Escape Artists problem thread. It warms the very cockles of my heart.

Considering PC and EP came out within hours of each other last night I'm thinking we might be out of the worst of it.

Yep. I think the new problem is your obsessive information posting

I've tried to get him to get help for that.

Oh ha ha ha. I try to light a match instead of curse the darkness, and it turns out the darkness very much liked being dark.

When it's dark, you don't have to see how ugly the girl, you picked up in the bar, is when you're not drunk.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on March 04, 2009, 10:49:21 PM
When it's dark, you don't have to see how ugly the girl, you picked up in the bar, is when you're not drunk.

(http://iris.nyit.edu/~wpeter03/Picture7.png)
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Bdoomed on March 04, 2009, 11:03:12 PM
sorry Nash, this calls for a little power usage :P
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: DKT on March 04, 2009, 11:08:26 PM
When it's dark, you don't have to see how ugly the girl, you picked up in the bar, is when you're not drunk.

(http://iris.nyit.edu/~wpeter03/Picture7.png)

I'm guessing clausality's a total waste of N_sh's brain capacity, or something  :P
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Ben Phillips on March 05, 2009, 06:57:04 AM
My question is.. where are the other people that work on this?  Why is it such a black box?

Well..  basically, the people not in charge don't feel comfortable speaking for the people who are in charge, and those of us who are in charge are busy fixing stuff.

Rest assured, no one would have been more pissed to see this boat capsize than those of us who have been volunteering crap-tons of our free time to running it.  I have, however, seized this problem by its mangy throat and will be gleefully emptying my revolver into its hideous face in short order, as you will soon see.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Russell Nash on March 05, 2009, 08:03:10 AM
When it's dark, you don't have to see how ugly the girl, you picked up in the bar, is when you're not drunk.

(http://iris.nyit.edu/~wpeter03/Picture7.png)

Would have been better if I'd done it in two sentences, but if you're so amazing, you do it in one.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on March 05, 2009, 08:04:25 AM
When it's dark, you don't have to see how ugly the girl, you picked up in the bar, is when you're not drunk.

(http://iris.nyit.edu/~wpeter03/Picture7.png)

Would have been better if I'd done it in two sentences, but if you're so amazing, you do it in one.

There are no ugly girls in dark bars when you're drunk.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Russell Nash on March 05, 2009, 08:10:32 AM
When it's dark, you don't have to see how ugly the girl, you picked up in the bar, is when you're not drunk.

(http://iris.nyit.edu/~wpeter03/Picture7.png)

Would have been better if I'd done it in two sentences, but if you're so amazing, you do it in one.

There are no ugly girls in dark bars when you're drunk.

So is it a clausal fail, because I wrote it wrong; or is it s causal fail, because I used improper logic?
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on March 05, 2009, 08:25:12 AM
Because the interjecting dependent clause disrupts the flow of the sentence enough that it doesn't read easily, and we think that the last clause is modifying the bar instead of the girl. When I diagrammed it it's easy enough to read, because we know that it's the girl we're seeing as ugly when we're not drunk and that the fact we picked her up in a bar isn't key. The clausal fail is that the interjecting clause renders the sentence cryptic. Plus there's the inherent pun of clausal/colossal fail.

So we've gone from complaining to discussing our lack of smiting to our gift giving practices to punning to my psychoses to drunk girls in bars and then to a discussion of grammar. And they say we don't get out enough.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Russell Nash on March 05, 2009, 08:27:56 AM
Because the interjecting dependent clause disrupts the flow of the sentence enough that it doesn't read easily, and we think that the last clause is modifying the bar instead of the girl. When I diagrammed it it's easy enough to read, because we know that it's the girl we're seeing as ugly when we're not drunk and that the fact we picked her up in a bar isn't key. The clausal fail is that the interjecting clause renders the sentence cryptic. Plus there's the inherent pun of clausal/colossal fail.

So we've gone from complaining to discussing our lack of smiting to our gift giving practices to punning to my psychoses to drunk girls in bars and then to a discussion of grammar. And they say we don't get out enough.

I like being cryptic, so I don't see the problem. 

I think it would help if you got out more.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on March 05, 2009, 08:30:16 AM
Outside's not that inviting when it's sub-zero C and this much snow has fallen: (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3626/3322626096_c516db1375.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/heradel/3322626096/)
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Russell Nash on March 05, 2009, 08:35:35 AM
Wimp.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on March 05, 2009, 08:38:11 AM
Wimp.

Oi, I took that at 4 in the morning. Just as the doormen and such were starting to attack the snow. You wield a metal camera body when it's that cold and keep your extremities attached.

Though actually that one was taken with my plastic digital body, not the FM2n.

I need decent gloves that still allow for fine manipulation of knobs and such.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Russell Nash on March 05, 2009, 08:42:01 AM
Wimp.

Oi, I took that at 4 in the morning. Just as the doormen and such were starting to attack the snow. You wield a metal camera body when it's that cold and keep your extremities attached.

Though actually that one was taken with my plastic digital body, not the FM2n.

I need decent gloves that still allow for fine manipulation of knobs and such.

That's what she said.

Anyway, My twin LXs and I have been there more than a few times.   The real trick comes when you have to keep the battery warm enough that the camera will still work, but not get the lenses warm enough to fog up. 
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on March 05, 2009, 08:44:23 AM
Wimp.

Oi, I took that at 4 in the morning. Just as the doormen and such were starting to attack the snow. You wield a metal camera body when it's that cold and keep your extremities attached.

Though actually that one was taken with my plastic digital body, not the FM2n.

I need decent gloves that still allow for fine manipulation of knobs and such.

That's what she said.

Anyway, My twin LXs and I have been there more than a few times.   The real trick comes when you have to keep the battery warm enough that the camera will still work, but not get the lenses warm enough to fog up. 

I always use the two batteries with one in camera and one on the inside pocket of your inner pants trick.

The FM2n doesn't really care about the cold — the batteries only operate the meter, and that's never gone out. The motor winder on the other hand lasts about twenty minutes before it gives up.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Zathras on March 05, 2009, 10:32:43 AM
When it's dark you don't have to see how ugly the girl you picked up at the bar is when you're sober.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Agies on March 05, 2009, 05:15:31 PM
That doesn't look like that much snow. The cold, I'll give to you, but the snow is no big deal. Then again I come from a region of blizzards and serious snow.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Heradel on March 05, 2009, 06:24:08 PM
That doesn't look like that much snow. The cold, I'll give to you, but the snow is no big deal. Then again I come from a region of blizzards and serious snow.

I think it was something like ten inches, and you're looking at a plowed street and sidewalks that were somewhat cleared overnight. The amount of snow on the awning is about what fell, and it still snowed for a few hours later that day.

NYC hasn't had that much snow since I've been here for college, I think this is the heaviest snowfall in the last few years. But yes, it's not the upper peninsula of Michigan
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Praxis on March 06, 2009, 01:53:10 PM
those of us who have been volunteering crap-tons of our free time

Is that, like, a bismuth half-life?  Or a katon?

http://www.csgnetwork.com/timemath.html
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Bdoomed on March 06, 2009, 07:00:52 PM
I think it was something like ten inches
that's what she said.
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Raving_Lunatic on March 08, 2009, 09:50:24 AM
she said nothing :(
Title: Re: Is it too early to make a complaint thread
Post by: Ben Phillips on March 11, 2009, 12:49:05 PM
those of us who have been volunteering crap-tons of our free time

Is that, like, a bismuth half-life?  Or a katon?

http://www.csgnetwork.com/timemath.html

A crap-ton!  Also written crapton, it's 3.8 times the size of a fuckton and equivalent to 3/8ths of a shitload.  Man, this conversion web page is useless.