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EP290: Tom the Universe (http://escapepod.org/2011/04/28/ep290-tom-the-universe/)
By Larry Hodges (http://www.larryhodges.org/)
Read by Mat Weller (http://matweller.com/)
An Escape Pod original!
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I permeate this universe, which I’ve named Tom, and guard against its destruction. If someone had done that for the universe I came from, then Mary, my sweet Mary, would still be alive, and I wouldn’t have killed her and everyone else when I accidentally destroyed that universe.
And now I’m on the verge of destroying much more.
Rated PG-13 - sexual situations
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Yay, Tom the Universe! I've been waiting for this one since reading it in the slush pile! ;D
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I can certainly say that I've seen a story that went this direction before.
There were a couple parts that dragged, when it started getting into the branes, that I still don't have any grasp of. When it got past explaining that then I enjoyed the story, how this guy took only 100 years to get over the destruction of all existence and then singlemindedly spends billions of years manipulating the universe for his own selfish purposes.
It did get a little hard to follow when he kept referring to his simulation of the past universe and jumping back to the current universe in the making, but I think I sorted it out.
I wonder if our universe is Tom or the one before it?
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I wonder if our universe is Tom or the one before it?
Dunno, but if I can get a good price for a tachyon emitter on eBay, the next one will be "Mat". :D
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I've explored the concept presented in this story before as a rationale for mad scientists (supergeniuses who have micro-singularities in their brains, causing information that travels through their synapses, or however that neurobiology works, to pass through and then back again - resulting in super processing power but also a level of distortion that we would label madness; totally not a rational exploration of singularities at all just a cool sounding handwave) but I must admit I have never contemplated the kind of existential apocalypse presented in this story.
It's sort of like a Solipsistic Mutually Assured Destruction scenario, or a WMD designed by Emmanuel Kant.
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I really would have liked this story to end with the creation of a Mary universe. Or that the twist would have been that Mary and Jerry were so close together they expanded into a single brane and made a Mary-and-Jerry universe. Either of those would have ended the story on a somewhat more ambiguous note - there could be a hope of redemption for Tom, as Mary or M&J could recreate the universe without making his mistakes - but it would by no means be certain. As it is, the story ended up simply being "Tom's desire for revenge backfired and destroyed all he attempted to preserve" which is perhaps more classically tragic but also less interesting to my modern sensibilities than a more open ending.
Also, for all his computer power, he really wasn't that smart, right? I mean, he killed his alternate *while* Mary was cheating on him. Even if he managed to save her, she would have been wracked with far greater guilt than she would have otherwise. The promise of happiness for both of them was obviously gone with him dead, but he would have made a serious dent in her prospects for happiness at all. Or pushed her to be be with Jerry. Did that never occur to him in the millions of years since his change of heart? Couldn't he have tried to deflect both meteors, aiming the first one at the tachyon machine instead of his head, or something?
That said, reservations about the ending and plot nitpicking aside, I did think this was a good, clever story, that kept me interested throughout even as I got progressively more annoyed at Tom and his stupidity.
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This story felt kind of overwritten -- all that extra science-y stuff really dragged it down. I think shorter explanations or a lot of "take it from me, that stuff is boring" could really have tightened it up and made it better-paced. Also, if Tom has the power to move tachyons at will because they're so insubstantial, and he had the entire universe's computing power, couldn't he just have been slightly more careful with the direction he was throwing the tachyons so they didn't get into Joey's head?
Great concept, good ideas, bit of a plodding execution in places.
The reading was well-done, although this character kind of struck me as someone whose voice wouldn't be quite as bombastic. I'm thinking more Wilson Fowlie/Kane Lynch.
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I have no problem with a sci-fi story throwing in a lot of science-related content, but calling the writing in this story "extra science-y stuff" gives it too much credit. Even my FTL-embracing mind couldn't suspend disbelief when hearing that human consciousness somehow requires infinite material density, and descriptions of separate universes colliding (let alone the idea that we could destroy the universe by prodding a black hole). Oh yeah, and this absurd omniscient universe-man with infinite thinking power? Still has sex drive (and the related jealousy) as one of his basic motives. I wonder where the Tom universe keeps it's gas-giant testicles.
I would have definitely liked to hear less of an attempt to pretend this story is plausible, and more actual storytelling.
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I really would have liked this story to end with the creation of a Mary universe...Mary or M&J could recreate the universe without making his mistakes - but it would by no means be certain.
This flashed at me while I heard the story too. I thought it might be cool if Tom's love for mary left him bitter about the betrayal, but without the change of heart to save her. Then, a Mary universe gets created and she re-creates the whole gig but doesn't betray Tom because she is so sorry for the indiscretion, thereby proving her to be the more mature 'god.'
Also, for all his computer power, he really wasn't that smart, right?
To me, that was one of the main points of the story -- what if bad things happened because god was a bit of a bumbler. I mean, he has his change of heart because he grows enough to know how petty he's being, right?
Speaking of which, I think one of the most amazingly understated lines in the whole thing was when he mentions that he doesn't care about the destination of the meteor's other half because "they deserve it." The thought of a force of nature being willfully callous tickles my macabre side. ;D
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I very much enjoyed this story. I actually sat in my driveway to hear the end. I just wonder if it was the first time I did that... or second?
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So glad Mary & Joey didn't leave town on a cosmic donkey.
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I really would have liked this story to end with the creation of a Mary universe. Or that the twist would have been that Mary and Jerry were so close together they expanded into a single brane and made a Mary-and-Jerry universe. Either of those would have ended the story on a somewhat more ambiguous note - there could be a hope of redemption for Tom, as Mary or M&J could recreate the universe without making his mistakes - but it would by no means be certain. As it is, the story ended up simply being "Tom's desire for revenge backfired and destroyed all he attempted to preserve" which is perhaps more classically tragic but also less interesting to my modern sensibilities than a more open ending.
Also, for all his computer power, he really wasn't that smart, right? I mean, he killed his alternate *while* Mary was cheating on him. Even if he managed to save her, she would have been wracked with far greater guilt than she would have otherwise. The promise of happiness for both of them was obviously gone with him dead, but he would have made a serious dent in her prospects for happiness at all. Or pushed her to be be with Jerry. Did that never occur to him in the millions of years since his change of heart? Couldn't he have tried to deflect both meteors, aiming the first one at the tachyon machine instead of his head, or something?
That said, reservations about the ending and plot nitpicking aside, I did think this was a good, clever story, that kept me interested throughout even as I got progressively more annoyed at Tom and his stupidity.
I think I would've liked the ending better if it had ended with Mary becoming a universe as well, but I didn't dislike this ending.
And regarding Tom's intelligence, for me that was one of the better parts of the story. He has infinite power of computation at his disposal, but that ability doesn't tell him how to direct those extra processing cycles. He spent billions of years planning how to get the girl back, he's not rational at the best of times, and the extra computation power hasn't changed that.
It just goes to show that people don't change unless they want to. Apparently that even applies if said person becomes the universe.
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I really liked the sciency-parts of this story, probably more than the actual plot parts.
Which is weird for me, because I generally like or dislike a story mostly on the strength and complexity of the plot. For me, this story wasn't even about the plot, it was about the science. And I loved it for that.
In fact, the first time I read about branes (Brian Greene's Elegant Universe) I pondered the implications of branes and brains. I didn't take it this far, but I love where Larry took this.
A singularity in my mind? Hell yeah!
Stepping back from the science parts and examining the plot on its own merits, this story was still pretty good. A nice piece that takes solipsism to the final and inevitable conclusion, yes the universe as a whole exists, but it is my mind.
However, I did not like Tom (the personality) even a little bit. Forget about his self-obsessive and destructive behavior. Forget about his callousness. Forget about the fact that he single handedly made the entirety of creation to have never existed. What bothered me most was his lack of imagination.
Dude! You're the mind behind a brand new universe! You can do absolutely ANYTHING! Why the hell are you just going to create exactly the same identical universe we had before? Do something different! Make it more interesting!
But no. Tom's imagination (if it ever existed) never expanded beyond his singularity.
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So glad Mary & Joey didn't leave town on a cosmic donkey.
You must mean an Arcturan Mega Donkey.
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So glad Mary & Joey didn't leave town on a cosmic donkey.
You must mean an Arcturan Mega Donkey.
Are they particularly stable?
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So glad Mary & Joey didn't leave town on a cosmic donkey.
You must mean an Arcturan Mega Donkey.
Are they particularly stable?
No more than a donkey by any other name.
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I liked this one, and count me as liking the science-y bits. One cosmological note, a meteoroid moving at 26 m/s would be 820 TRILLION miles away one million years away. To shift that meteoroid 5 feet on impact, it would need a very very small amount of energy. But, Tom did say it would take a billion years to wiggle a pencil or some such. On a narration note, 10^-35 was being read as 10^35, missing the negative. Both of these points are trivial, and of no consequence to the story or my enjoyment thereof.
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I quite enjoyed this story and liked that it didn't go all sappy.
I particularly liked that, despite being essentially infinite, he was so hurt and angry and curious that he was willing to recreate the entire universe as he did.
Sometimes, love really hurts.
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I very much enjoyed this story. I actually sat in my driveway to hear the end. I just wonder if it was the first time I did that... or second?
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Hello, forum. New poster here; been listening for a few weeks to the archives.
I did enjoy this story, despite the narrator missing the negation of the exponents as noted upthread. The end left me wondering, though- if Tom was simultaneously extant throughout the entire space-time continuum of his universe, why could he not have simply averted the second asteroid earlier? I got the impression that he was constantly fiddling with things at earlier points in the Tomverse timeline to make things just so, in order to recreate the universe he came from (meteoroids notwithstanding). But then again, perhaps Tom wasn't bright enough for this to occur to him, no matter his protestations to having the computational power needed to recreate and simulate Universe Prime.
I was also reminded of this comic from xkcd (http://www.xkcd.com):
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I did enjoy this story, despite the narrator missing the negation of the exponents as noted upthread. The end left me wondering, though- if Tom was simultaneously extant throughout the entire space-time continuum of his universe, why could he not have simply averted the second asteroid earlier? I got the impression that he was constantly fiddling with things at earlier points in the Tomverse timeline to make things just so, in order to recreate the universe he came from (meteoroids notwithstanding). But then again, perhaps Tom wasn't bright enough for this to occur to him, no matter his protestations to having the computational power needed to recreate and simulate Universe Prime.
Time for him still flows for him in one direction (for some reason). All the manipulations he did he was doing in "real time".
At least, I think he was. Because that's the only explanation for why he didn't stop the meteorites.
On the other hand, he constantly talks about working on things for billions and billions of years. The universe is only ~14 billion years old (according to one theory. I seem to recall a recent paper bringing evidence that the universe is even older than that, but we're still talking less than 30 billion) so he must have been doing something wonky with time.
I dunno, that didn't bother me. Neither did the missing decimal point in the seconds. I caught on to that immediately and simply crossed it off as a typo.
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I dunno, that didn't bother me. Neither did the missing decimal point in the seconds. I caught on to that immediately and simply crossed it off as a typo.
No, the author typed it right, I just flubbed it. My only defense is that I am about 15 years past my last need to use scientific notation (although I do remember the PIN to my kids' daycare because it's reminiscent of Avogadro's number), and that scientific notation looks a lot different in paragraph form than it does in an equation (like sometimes you will see fractions like 'three and a half" expressed as 3-1/2, not because of subtraction but because without superscript 3 1/2 can sometimes look as much like 'thirty one divided by two' as it does the intended fraction).
All that aside, I just wanted to say 'sorry.' I do try to be accurate with such things when reading them for an audience since I know how important it is to some people.
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I dunno, that didn't bother me. Neither did the missing decimal point in the seconds. I caught on to that immediately and simply crossed it off as a typo.
No, the author typed it right, I just flubbed it. My only defense is that I am about 15 years past my last need to use scientific notation (although I do remember the PIN to my kids' daycare because it's reminiscent of Avogadro's number), and that scientific notation looks a lot different in paragraph form than it does in an equation (like sometimes you will see fractions like 'three and a half" expressed as 3-1/2, not because of subtraction but because without superscript 3 1/2 can sometimes look as much like 'thirty one divided by two' as it does the intended fraction).
All that aside, I just wanted to say 'sorry.' I do try to be accurate with such things when reading them for an audience since I know how important it is to some people.
So... what does one call the audio version of a typo? Because that's clearly what this was. Perfectly understandable.
Otherwise the reading was great.
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I dunno, that didn't bother me. Neither did the missing decimal point in the seconds. I caught on to that immediately and simply crossed it off as a typo.
No, the author typed it right, I just flubbed it. My only defense is that I am about 15 years past my last need to use scientific notation (although I do remember the PIN to my kids' daycare because it's reminiscent of Avogadro's number), and that scientific notation looks a lot different in paragraph form than it does in an equation (like sometimes you will see fractions like 'three and a half" expressed as 3-1/2, not because of subtraction but because without superscript 3 1/2 can sometimes look as much like 'thirty one divided by two' as it does the intended fraction).
All that aside, I just wanted to say 'sorry.' I do try to be accurate with such things when reading them for an audience since I know how important it is to some people.
So... what does one call the audio version of a typo? Because that's clearly what this was. Perfectly understandable.
Otherwise the reading was great.
The technical term is "flub", I believe.
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So... what does one call the audio version of a typo?
The technical term is "flub", I believe.
Why can't it be a 'talk-o'? :)
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Because then it sounds like you're trying to invoke an extradimensional being... "mi him en tow! Tak!"
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So... what does one call the audio version of a typo?
The technical term is "flub", I believe.
Why can't it be a 'talk-o'? :)
Talk-o Behl?
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So... what does one call the audio version of a typo?
The technical term is "flub", I believe.
Why can't it be a 'talk-o'? :)
Talk-o Behl?
Yo Quiero?
(Sorry for continuing the distraction. Back to the story...)
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Conceptually, this story amused me. In terms of plot and character, I found it a little annoying. The main character was so hung up on his ONE TRUE (cheating bitch) LOVE. Oh my Tod, the endless angst of his pitiful existence. If he could get over committing omnicide in a hundred years, how the heck did he manage to not get over her?
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I thought this was a fun story, and a nice change of pace for the week. Lots of little things to nitpick, but others have pretty much covered it, so I will just say that given the confines of Tom's power (i.e. to compute difficult things quickly, not to forsee all possibilities and plan for them), it made sense to me that he was as flawed as he was. I mean, I can look up anything I want on google, but that doesn't make me better at solving interpersonal challenges. :P
Also, I thought yesterday's xkcd was strangely appropriate: http://www.xkcd.com/895/
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Time for him still flows for him in one direction (for some reason). All the manipulations he did he was doing in "real time".
At least, I think he was. Because that's the only explanation for why he didn't stop the meteorites.
On the other hand, he constantly talks about working on things for billions and billions of years. The universe is only ~14 billion years old (according to one theory. I seem to recall a recent paper bringing evidence that the universe is even older than that, but we're still talking less than 30 billion) so he must have been doing something wonky with time.
I dunno, that didn't bother me. Neither did the missing decimal point in the seconds. I caught on to that immediately and simply crossed it off as a typo.
While I enjoyed this story, and all the "science-y stuff" that others have referred to, this is one of the inconsistencies that bugged me about this story. It takes him a billion years to move a rock, but in just 14 or so billion years he can reproduce the entire Earth down to the last detail. Riiight.
The other glaring inconsistency is the basic premise. Consciousness, we are told, is made possible by singularities in the brains of all sentient creatures. BUT, if you hit those singularities with tachyons, they expand into a new universe which will destroy this one. Somehow, Tom is the first to make that mistake, even though (a) the technology required is only a little further advanced beyond our current (2011) level, and (b) the universe is filled with uncounted multitudes of other sentient species, any of whom might make the same cosmic blunder.
Fortunately for me, I'm a dab hand at the suspension of disbelief ...
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For me the story was amusing enough to get a pass over some of the inconsistencies in the story, and I suppose we should just be thankful Tom wasn't an emo, although Robert Smith's translation to sainthood would be well deserved.
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it's sci-fi like this that make me thankful i'm a historian. I can just sit back and say 'ok' to all that science and enjoy the story without worrying about whether any of it makes sense. That being said, i'm certain a meteoroid would do more damage than that if it hit the earth, i mean, it's going pretty damn quick, right? Also wouldn't one that small burn up in the athmosphere anyw- no. shut up. Characters, plot, themes. Ignore the science.
I actually really enjoyed this story. I thought tom's emotional insanity was amusing and well explored. I liked how he was suddenly able to simulate entire universes and work out complex maths, but still couldn't manage to work out basic morality, or forgive some simple mistake for which he could clearly see she was very sorry, for several billion years. I was hoping for a slightly less depressing/unambiguous ending. I'd have liked for Mary's brain to have expanded into a universe of it's own, offering at least some hint light at the end of the tunnel.
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That being said, i'm certain a meteoroid would do more damage than that if it hit the earth, i mean, it's going pretty damn quick, right? Also wouldn't one that small burn up in the atmosphere anyw- no. shut up. Characters, plot, themes. Ignore the science.
The original meteoroid was larger, it became smaller as it disintegrated through the atmosphere. And the damage done was about right depending on the composition of the object, angle of impact, and speed. There are plenty of examples of meteorites hitting objects and people, the most famous being the Peekskill Meteorite car. (http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0611/peekskill_thomas_big.jpg)
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looks like i've learned my thing for the day. Time for bed!
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Loved the story! A jealous, emotional being with godlike powers resonated with me particularly, with my judeo Christian education.
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While I enjoyed this story, and all the "science-y stuff" that others have referred to, this is one of the inconsistencies that bugged me about this story. It takes him a billion years to move a rock, but in just 14 or so billion years he can reproduce the entire Earth down to the last detail. Riiight.
Well, the way I see it, it was relatively easy to form the rules of the universe, since there was nothing there too fight against. But once he had them in place he had the whole universe to push against just to move the rock. And as he said, "I am the weakest of the five cosmic forces." So that didn't bother me at all.
What I didn't understand was why he didn't make the first meteorite destroy the tachyon machine instead, that way he could delay his use of it long enough for Mary, cheating slut that she was, to distract him with that 50 year marriage and three kids he talked about. I mean, really, just because He knew about what had happened doesn't mean he had to take away the only chance his lesser version had of happiness. Thats the only thing I didn't like about the whole story. I liked the science and it even blew my mind when he discovered the branes-inside-brains theory. It was all great. But why did HE have to stop (him) from a life with the girl both Toms wanted so bad?
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What I didn't understand was why he didn't make the first meteorite destroy the tachyon machine instead, that way he could delay his use of it long enough for Mary, cheating slut that she was, to distract him with that 50 year marriage and three kids he talked about. I mean, really, just because He knew about what had happened doesn't mean he had to take away the only chance his lesser version had of happiness. Thats the only thing I didn't like about the whole story. I liked the science and it even blew my mind when he discovered the branes-inside-brains theory. It was all great. But why did HE have to stop (him) from a life with the girl both Toms wanted so bad?
Because by the time he'd aimed the asteroids, he hadn't gotten past the emotional level of suicidal despair and revenge. It wasn't until after that point that he ran the simulation and discovered that Mary would have felt guilty and never cheated again, and that they could have had a happy life together. At that point he put all his energy on changing the course of her meteor. Presumably he didn't have the energy to change both...
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Also, if Tom has the power to move tachyons at will because they're so insubstantial, and he had the entire universe's computing power, couldn't he just have been slightly more careful with the direction he was throwing the tachyons so they didn't get into Joey's head?
Actually, if he had the power to move tachyons, why didn't he just divert the ones from the tachyon machine, so that his brain singularity wouldn't expand and destroy the universe mark 2?
Anyway, as many people said, lots of inconsistencies. Regardless, I found this fun!
And I didn't see Tom's final annihilation as dark, since it gave him an end to his pain.
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I guess I saw the ending coming a mile away, but found the story as a whole still amusing. What I am disturbed about is everyone calling Mary a cheating slut, bitch, etc. Ummm...you know...she didn't cheat on her own. Jerry did it too. Why are you all piling on just her?
She did something stupid (and granted, putting back on the purity ring did stink of falsity, but still...), Jerry took himself out of the picture, and she was generally sorry. To be really honest, Tom was enough of a dick that frankly, I was hoping she leave him. Jerry seemed to be much nicer anyway...