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on: September 19, 2007, 06:59:11 PM
Gave up reading it.  I was just over halfway through and still waiting for the plot to start.

It was just badly put together.  It read like...  This happens, that happens, this happens, that happens.  No central theme or plot to draw you in.

Last book(s) I  that read like this was the "Mars" series which I think was by K.S. Robinson. 

After that I decided never to waste time reading a whole book if there was no plot by halfway!

M.C. has obviously reached the point where editing and pre printing critisim is "for other writers".  :'(


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Reply #1 on: September 19, 2007, 07:25:44 PM
Gave up reading it.  I was just over halfway through and still waiting for the plot to start.

It was just badly put together.  It read like...  This happens, that happens, this happens, that happens.  No central theme or plot to draw you in.

Last book(s) I  that read like this was the "Mars" series which I think was by K.S. Robinson. 

After that I decided never to waste time reading a whole book if there was no plot by halfway!

M.C. has obviously reached the point where editing and pre printing critisim is "for other writers".  :'(

Really? I read Jurassic Park  in like 1992 or so, twice in the same night. I thought it was thoroughly engrossing and exciting. I even liked "The Lost World" which is a little more talky. I only read Red Mars by KS Robinson, it was okay, but after a while I felt like I was having Robert Rubin scream at me page after page after page.

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Reply #2 on: September 19, 2007, 07:52:14 PM
I think FNH is specifically talking about Crichton's book "Next."

The last thing I read by Crichton was Timeline (I think).  It was okay but that was about it.  I've heard bad things about "Next" and "State of Fear."  I really did like some of his other stuff, like JP and Rising Sun, although Eaters of the Dead might be my personal favorite...


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Reply #3 on: September 19, 2007, 08:01:10 PM
I think FNH is specifically talking about Crichton's book "Next."

The last thing I read by Crichton was Timeline (I think).  It was okay but that was about it.  I've heard bad things about "Next" and "State of Fear."  I really did like some of his other stuff, like JP and Rising Sun, although Eaters of the Dead might be my personal favorite...

Oh duh... LOL... Sorry, have my Job Fair brain in today so I didn't read it clearly enough. I'll have to give Next a look though.

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Reply #4 on: September 19, 2007, 08:06:30 PM
No worries; let me know what you think of it if you pick it up :)


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Reply #5 on: September 19, 2007, 08:24:17 PM
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Last book(s) I  that read like this was the "Mars" series which I think was by K.S. Robinson. 

Agreed.  I wanted to read the Green and Blue sequels, but the books was so tedious I lost interest.  Also, one of the characters kills another major character will little karmic blowback.  I liked the descriptions of the terrain but they were interlaced with expansive scenes of characters caravaning around. 

Mars and Jurassic are typcial of popular sci-fi where the characters exist to forward an idea and are only sterotypes.

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Reply #6 on: September 19, 2007, 11:15:40 PM
I liked old Crichton, but I thought Timeline, Airframe, and Prey were a little dopey, though they kept my interest.  If Next isn't very good I think it fits the pattern.  But I may pickup a paper back because I know I'll be able to blow through it in a night or two.  Give Crichton his due, he can crank out a page turner that a lot of people read ... and watch the movie. 

An interesting observation that I heard at Worldcon in two different panels by two different people.  The endings of Crichton's stories are always the same as the beginnings.  The characters' goal is always to put the genie back in the bottle and return the world to the way it was.  The writers who said this (it might have been Brin and Benford) felt that this is the antithesis of science fiction.  Science fiction is about dealing with a changing world.  Sometimes the change is for the worse, sometimes for the better, but change is inevitable.

The English major in me says that Crichton is anti-science because of this.  The science is always very cool,  but the people are not competent enough to handle it, and the world is ultimately better off without dinosaurs or Japanese businessmen.  The Common Sense person in me says that cool science + crisis + mostly happy ending = bestseller.  Crichton is not anti-science (how could he stand to do so much research if he were) he is pro-selling books.



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Reply #7 on: September 19, 2007, 11:22:52 PM
Gave up reading it.  I was just over halfway through and still waiting for the plot to start.

It was just badly put together.  It read like...  This happens, that happens, this happens, that happens.  No central theme or plot to draw you in.

Last book(s) I  that read like this was the "Mars" series which I think was by K.S. Robinson. 

After that I decided never to waste time reading a whole book if there was no plot by halfway!

M.C. has obviously reached the point where editing and pre printing critisim is "for other writers".  :'(
well The Stranger was TERRIBLE until the end of part 1, then it got really good.  there was no real plot, a ton of useless description, a lack of personality, ... it was really bad.  but after the end of part one it got really good.  you never know, i would keep reading it unless you REALLY cannot stand it.

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Reply #8 on: September 19, 2007, 11:30:41 PM
I liked old Crichton, but I thought Timeline, Airframe, and Prey were a little dopey, though they kept my interest. 

Ugh, forgot about Airframe.  Absolutely hated that one.  Didn't hate Timeline and Prey, but they were not up to par with his earlier stuff. 

An interesting observation that I heard at Worldcon in two different panels by two different people.  The endings of Crichton's stories are always the same as the beginnings.  The characters' goal is always to put the genie back in the bottle and return the world to the way it was.  The writers who said this (it might have been Brin and Benford) felt that this is the antithesis of science fiction.  Science fiction is about dealing with a changing world.  Sometimes the change is for the worse, sometimes for the better, but change is inevitable.

The English major in me says that Crichton is anti-science because of this.  The science is always very cool,  but the people are not competent enough to handle it, and the world is ultimately better off without dinosaurs or Japanese businessmen.  The Common Sense person in me says that cool science + crisis + mostly happy ending = bestseller.  Crichton is not anti-science (how could he stand to do so much research if he were) he is pro-selling books.

Wow, that's a really interesting observation I never thought of before.  I remember being struck dumb when I read Lost World and realized Crichton was actually arguing against the internet because it would make things more uniform and more mainstream.  I don't think he's anti-science by any means, but I think he's much more pessimistic about change. 


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Reply #9 on: September 20, 2007, 11:50:26 AM
A couple of bad opinions about Airframe in here.  That surprises me.  I thought that was rather good.  No scary science in that  one, just a standard thriller.  I thought it was one of his best.

No accounting for taste is there. :)


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Reply #10 on: September 20, 2007, 04:10:57 PM

M.C. has obviously reached the point where editing and pre printing critisim is "for other writers".  :'(

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Reply #11 on: September 21, 2007, 01:37:51 AM
I think FNH is specifically talking about Crichton's book "Next."

The last thing I read by Crichton was Timeline (I think).  It was okay but that was about it.  I've heard bad things about "Next" and "State of Fear."  I really did like some of his other stuff, like JP and Rising Sun, although Eaters of the Dead might be my personal favorite...

"Eaters of the Dead" was one of my favorites as well, although I also enjoyed the book "Timeline".  I find it remarkable that both those books which I thoroughly enjoyed were made into movies that were merely ok.  I've more than a suspicion that when they look for books to movify they end up taking out what "we" might consider the important stuff so it will fit better for the "mainstream" (damn them to hell for their mediocrity!)   ;-)

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Reply #12 on: September 21, 2007, 02:42:27 AM
I think FNH is specifically talking about Crichton's book "Next."

The last thing I read by Crichton was Timeline (I think).  It was okay but that was about it.  I've heard bad things about "Next" and "State of Fear."  I really did like some of his other stuff, like JP and Rising Sun, although Eaters of the Dead might be my personal favorite...

"Eaters of the Dead" was one of my favorites as well, although I also enjoyed the book "Timeline".  I find it remarkable that both those books which I thoroughly enjoyed were made into movies that were merely ok.  I've more than a suspicion that when they look for books to movify they end up taking out what "we" might consider the important stuff so it will fit better for the "mainstream" (damn them to hell for their mediocrity!)   ;-)

I also loved Eaters of the Dead, but I also really enjoyed the film version of that one. Any real complaints about the film should be leveled at Crichton himself as he chased off John McTiernan after initial test audiences didn't respond well to the first completed edit and reshot a whole bunch of it after cutting something like a full hour of the film off.

Still, I dug it.

 

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Reply #13 on: September 21, 2007, 04:07:38 AM
I also loved Eaters of the Dead, but I also really enjoyed the film version of that one. Any real complaints about the film should be leveled at Crichton himself as he chased off John McTiernan after initial test audiences didn't respond well to the first completed edit and reshot a whole bunch of it after cutting something like a full hour of the film off.

Still, I dug it.

 

I liked the 13th Warrior movie, but I'd pay good money to see McTiernan's Eaters of the Dead.  I never did see Timeline although I'm kind of curious.


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Reply #14 on: September 21, 2007, 01:21:03 PM
I also loved Eaters of the Dead, but I also really enjoyed the film version of that one. Any real complaints about the film should be leveled at Crichton himself as he chased off John McTiernan after initial test audiences didn't respond well to the first completed edit and reshot a whole bunch of it after cutting something like a full hour of the film off.

Still, I dug it.

 

I liked the 13th Warrior movie, but I'd pay good money to see McTiernan's Eaters of the Dead.  I never did see Timeline although I'm kind of curious.

I keep hoping they will release a special directors cut of Eaters of the Dead. I really want to see what McTiernan did with it. Love the end of the book where Ibn Fadlan kills the prince because he speaks poorly of Bulvyf after he died in battle. At last he becomes one of the Northmen. Though, and I don't know if the current end of The 13th Warrior is from the Crichton reshoots or not, but the bit where he and the others say the Norse prayer once the dyihng Bulyvf staggeres out for the final showdown with the Wendol and after Ibn Fadlan makes his final peace with god always gives me chills.

Lo, do I see my father before me.
Lo, do I see my mother before me.
Lo, do I my sisters and brothers.
Lo, do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning.
They becon me come and take my place beside them
In the halls of Valhalla
Where the brave will live forever.

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Reply #15 on: September 21, 2007, 01:30:32 PM
I also loved Eaters of the Dead, but I also really enjoyed the film version of that one. Any real complaints about the film should be leveled at Crichton himself as he chased off John McTiernan after initial test audiences didn't respond well to the first completed edit and reshot a whole bunch of it after cutting something like a full hour of the film off.

Still, I dug it.

 

I liked the 13th Warrior movie, but I'd pay good money to see McTiernan's Eaters of the Dead.  I never did see Timeline although I'm kind of curious.

I keep hoping they will release a special directors cut of Eaters of the Dead. I really want to see what McTiernan did with it. Love the end of the book where Ibn Fadlan kills the prince because he speaks poorly of Bulvyf after he died in battle. At last he becomes one of the Northmen. Though, and I don't know if the current end of The 13th Warrior is from the Crichton reshoots or not, but the bit where he and the others say the Norse prayer once the dyihng Bulyvf staggeres out for the final showdown with the Wendol and after Ibn Fadlan makes his final peace with god always gives me chills.

Lo, do I see my father before me.
Lo, do I see my mother before me.
Lo, do I my sisters and brothers.
Lo, do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning.
They becon me come and take my place beside them
In the halls of Valhalla
Where the brave will live forever.

   There are, unreliable, reports, that the forty second montage at the start is closer to forty minutes in the original version.  Other than that, I'm not sure.



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Reply #16 on: September 21, 2007, 04:02:34 PM
Bummer, that wouldn't have been pretty (at least, not in my mind's eye).  I'm pretty sure there was more stuff later-on, too.  I've heard (secondhand) from Diane Venora, who played the queen, that the movie in the theaters was not the movie they shot.  She was seriously pissed at Crichton.  Still, I thought it was a fun film that suffered from crap marketing and should have stuck with the original name.  If Crichton was pulling so many strings, I wonder why he didn't pull that one?  Maybe he'd already used up all his karma.


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Reply #17 on: September 21, 2007, 04:33:38 PM
   Interesting.  I'd always thought that the 'Colony Chief doesn't want them there' plot basically wanders off halfway through and that seems to bear it out.  It's such a shame too as, given how enjoyable the movie we got is, there's potentially a classic sitting on the cutting room floor somewhere.