Author Topic: Tis the season to be sharing  (Read 5097 times)

Zathras

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on: December 17, 2008, 05:48:28 PM
We take our kids to the Angel Tree every year.  The Angel Tree has ornaments with under priviledged children's names and wish lists.  We want to teach our children early that giving is important.  There are other things that we do, as well, but that's not the reason for this post. 

Go find a local charity and help them.  If there is a Toys for Tots drive, drop off a toy.  Do something for someone less fortuneate than you.  It will not only help make our world a better place, it will also give you a warm feeling.



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Reply #1 on: December 17, 2008, 05:52:13 PM
just as an aside..

I have a friend who helps run a shelter. One of his biggest frustrations is that people get so generous around the holidays.. but...

the rest of the year? nothing, and the surge of holiday donations only last so long.

So perhaps the best thing people can do to help others is to try and foster that spirit of helping year round. Not necesarily on any given individual's part (few of us are particularly rich, to be continually giving), but just as a community, I guess.



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Reply #2 on: December 17, 2008, 05:59:45 PM
The wife and I give cash.  Yeah it's cold, but it stores well.  Also our donations are automatic monthly withdraws, so it's a continual trickle and not just a hit. 

Last thing is that the donations are giving to the general fund of the charities.  Germany (along with others) has made it so that if someone donates to a charity for a particular reason (Indonesian tsunami comes to mind) the charities can only use the money for that reason.  The charities need the money to start helping.  They can't wait until after people have heard about the problem and start giving.



Zathras

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Reply #3 on: December 17, 2008, 06:10:12 PM
We don't pay our children allowances, we pay them commissions.  We want them to learn that money just doesn't appear out of nowhere.  They have a few age related chores that we check off of a list and we pay them weekly.  They also have chore that they do because they are part of our family and I'm bigger than them.  When they get their commissions, we have 3 categories:  give, spend and save.  Those are the only 3 things money can be used for.

Talia and Russel have made good points, giving should be year 'round and charities need money before a disaster.  I am a strong proponent of giving to a local charity so that you are helping in your own community.  National and international charities are good, but I like to see the results of my giving.

I wasn't going to make this a soap box issue, but there's lots of room on top of this box, so join in!



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Reply #4 on: December 18, 2008, 05:16:06 AM
Thanks for starting this, Zathras!

Probably the best single piece of advice I ever got on giving was to set up a separate checking account for it, then deduct a predetermined sum from your main account -- just like the electric bill, IRA contributions, etc.  Money in that account is then spent for charitable purposes throughout the year. We find that it's a good discipline, and doing it is more important than the amount. (It also makes recordkeeping much easier when it's time to file taxes.)

We have a few charities that we support every month, others that we give to based on their fund drive schedule, and others where our giving is coordinated with an annual visit or other interactions.  Still, there's usually a good-sized accumulation in the account that we disburse at the end of the year.  That gets divided among letters kept in a basket until we're ready.

Since my parents and spouse have spent a good chunk of their work lives in non-profits, we tend to give general or unrestricted funds.  Designated funds -- for a stained glass window, specific project, etc. are mainly for the benefit of the donor, not the organization or the people who benefit from the charity.  Most people find it more emotionally satisfying to give to a specific purpose, but the fact remains that most organizations have the unglamorous obligations of maintenance, utilities, payroll, etc. and those are often hard to raise money for.

Oh, and with food banks getting a lot of much-needed attention this year, keep in mind that the best thing to give a food bank is actually cash, not canned goods.  "Giving groceries" is another one of those things that is more for the donor than the cause.  The director of a group of food banks here said that thanks to matching, at-cost, low-cost, and "transport cost only" agreements they have with vendors, they can squeeze about $5 in retail food value out of $1 of a cash donations. 

"My whole job is in the space between 'should be' and 'is.' It's a big space."


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Reply #5 on: December 18, 2008, 03:27:05 PM
We have Giving as a part of our budget.  I increase it in December just for stuff like Angel Trees because I received gifts from similar drives when I was young.  I know how much it means when "Santa" brings some extra presents.

On a similar note, we gave each of our daughters $25 this year so they could do some of their own shopping.  We have them make a list of people they want to buy for and it helps them learn to allocate funds.  They do most of their shopping at Dollar Tree then wrap up at Walmart.  When they are done, the cash they have left goes in the Salvation Army bucket.  They did a really good job this year and had about $4 each left over. 

I gave Andrew, our 14 year old alien, $10 to help with his Christmas shopping.  The only restricition I put on it was that he had to spend it on someone other than himself.  He was a little upset that the girls got more money, but I explained that he was old enough to budget his own shopping money.  Besides, he earns a lot more in commission each week than the girls.

To follow up on Windup's post, food banks really need help from February through June.  October through December they receive a lot of donations because people are thinking of the holidays.  A lot of stores end up with surplus items in the summer.  I have delivered thousands of pounds of beans, produce, even beef because a customer rejected it for various reasons and the shipper then donates the product.  You would be amazed at the reasons food gets rejected.  A torn box that contains other intact boxes?  Rejected.

Ok, I'll stop now.

Merry Zobmas!



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Reply #6 on: December 18, 2008, 07:40:45 PM
I have a friend who helps run a shelter. One of his biggest frustrations is that people get so generous around the holidays.. but...

the rest of the year? nothing, and the surge of holiday donations only last so long.

Too true. I'm one of the lucky guys that gets to distribute gifts in the lead up to Christmas. The most frustrating thing we have is people suddenly feeling generous at 5 pm on Christmas Eve and drop a whole lot of toys off to us, expecting us to give them out immediately.

If we haven't done our Christmas goodie give by 5pm on Christmas Eve, we ain't going to, and I'm not usually in a position to drop everything to look for recipients. So they end up in storage for eleven and a half months, or we use them through the year to help families looking for birthday gifts.

While I'm at it, never wrap presents beforehand. The charity has to unwrap them to make sure they're suitable. We have had people wrap bricks up and that sort of thing needs to be filtered. And some people just don't realise that ten-year-old boys don't, as a rule, play with teddy bears.

Where possible, we also like parents to know what they're children are getting, or even give them the chance to select the present. Just because they're poor doesn't mean they don't want to feel like they're actually giving the gift. A roll of wrapping paper accompanying the gift is always appreciated though.



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Reply #7 on: December 18, 2008, 08:11:33 PM
We have had people wrap bricks up and that sort of thing needs to be filtered.

Really? That's really screwed up.



Russell Nash

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Reply #8 on: December 19, 2008, 07:39:31 AM
We have had people wrap bricks up and that sort of thing needs to be filtered.

Really? That's really screwed up.

I've heard of places getting sex toys and stuff



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Reply #9 on: December 19, 2008, 12:03:31 PM
Yeah, it's a little bizarre, but sadly not surprising. You get a few people who are legitimately sick, some who are mean, some who have no idea about what's appropriate and some who have a bug up their bums about poor people.

Having said that, we're talking about a tiny, tiny minority of people who actually go out of their way to do something nasty (intentionally or not). The vast majority of people that donate to this sort of cause have more or less the right intentions and more or less act appropriately. Right now I'm sitting amongst a large pile of toys and things to be given away. The person who donated them must have spent hundreds of dollars on them, and she spent hours and hours wrapping and labelling them. She gives more than most, but most people who donate give with exactly the same spirit and according to their means.

It's unfortunate that we have to unwrap them (she doesn't have the best idea of exactly what's appropriate for what age). And to be honest, the pile's so big we're going to have trouble finding them all good homes before Christmas. This town is only so big...!