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on: May 06, 2008, 12:42:10 AM
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan



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Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (Paramount Pictures, 1982) is the second feature film based on the Star Trek science fiction television series. It is often referred to as Star Trek 2 or The Wrath of Khan and is widely regarded by fans as the best film of the series, and has been described as enjoyable by both fans and non-fans of Star Trek.[1] This may be partly due to the tone and style of the film, which is firmly character-driven. The film's storyline is a continuation of the episode "Space Seed", from the original TV series, and reprises Ricardo Montalbán in the role of Khan. The film also starts a story arc trilogy spanning to Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.

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Reply #1 on: May 06, 2008, 03:02:48 PM
This will be the first EPMC film I won't be seeing again.  I'm just done with Star Trek.



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Reply #2 on: May 06, 2008, 03:09:22 PM
This will be the first EPMC film I won't be seeing again.  I'm just done with Star Trek.

So you'll be skipping the Abrams project?

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Reply #3 on: May 06, 2008, 08:31:42 PM
I just happened to watch this last month.  It didn't age all that well, or at least it didn't live up to my memory of it.  Still a good flick, but I actually enjoyed re-watching Star Trek IV more.  Just seemed better acted, and there was less special effects to wince at by modern standards.  I remembered those earwig critters as scary, but nowadays they just looked laughable.  And the spaceship combat nothing special, though I remember thinking it exciting the first time around.



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Reply #4 on: May 07, 2008, 12:23:29 AM
Mainly, what Ocicat said.  I covered most of my/our reactions in this thread over here.

*sigh*  It was fun, just not as fun as I remembered.

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Reply #5 on: May 07, 2008, 08:57:08 AM
This will be the first EPMC film I won't be seeing again.  I'm just done with Star Trek.

So you'll be skipping the Abrams project?

Is that the prequel they're making? 

If it gets very good reviews and everyone screams about how good it is, I'll Netflix it.  But I won't see it in the theater.



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Reply #6 on: May 07, 2008, 10:09:56 AM
With the greatest respect, you're all wrong:)

   There's a reason why the even number Trek movies have a reputation for being the good ones and this is a big part of it.  The story is sufficiently huge and such a subversive take on the core universe that this still stands up, for me, very well.

  Think about it; Trek's big weakness has always been the reset button.  At the end of an episode everything's fine, we get the pithy little three way between Kirk, Spock and Mcoy (Or Picard, Riker and Data, Janeway and Chakotay etc) and we warp off into the sunset.

   Here we get the consequences of that very mentality, of Kirk's morality and refusal to kill for that matter, coming back.  We get to see them look at what they've accidentally created BY leaving and not coming back and we get to see what happens when, for the first time, Kirk and the Federation itself find their reach massively exeeds their grasp.
 
   This, for me, is the movie where everything comes home to roost.  Captain Sexy Pants discovering that having a girl in every port means sometimes there WILL be consequences (And in this case those consequences are called David) is only the start of a movie which in essence deconstructs Trek, stomps on the pieces and then puts them back together.
   This let's not forget, is the movie where the Federation stop trying to discover new things and start trying to create them.  It's the movie where Kirk is faced with the incredible cruelty of an old enemy and his own faults in abandoning his son.  It's the movie where for the first time, we get a sense of Starfleet as a millitary organisation (Chekov on the Reliant, the cut scene involving Sulu accepting captaincy of the Excelsior) and the price people pay for it, most notably the deaths of Spock and, in the novel at least, Scotty's nephew.
   Most of all though, this is the first time the series feels both personal and intimate and big.  More than one Starfleet vessel, entire worlds given over to research projects and a maniac crouched on a nightmarish planet, refusing to die until his chance for vengeance arrives. 
   It's also very easy to forget exactly how revolutionary the approach to ship to ship combat was at this point. The idea of the Enterprise and Reliant as, in essence, two old submarines blasting away at one another in three dimensions not only felt new at the time but also emphasised once again, the scale of the conflict (The Enterprise's entire crew reconfiguring the ship for war still sends shivers down my spine) and the fragility of the people locked up in it.  Plus, whilst it looks a little clunky now, it should be pointed out that this was a lesson the franchise as a whole promptly forgot for almost a full decade of screen time.  You have to look at mid-run Deep Space Nine to get something even approximating a fight scene this complex.

   Oh, and Spock dies.

   He dies.  One of the three main characters dies in an incredibly horrible and heroic manner and as a direct result of choices made in the original series.  For the first time, the very first time, we see Kirk forced to not only look at his actions but realise what he's lost as a direct result of them.  This isn't just the fallible hero, this is a victory that tastes of cold ashes and nothing else and, much like the battle scenes, it's a moment that the series has, arguably, never got close to matching. 

   Yes, the reset button's implicit but it's also overt.  We know about the Genesis project from the get go and the script trusts the viewer enough to figure it out.  It also doesn't dilute the emotional impact of those final scenes at all and there's even a case for saying that Trek III, which is also pretty damn good, is not so much a stand alone movie as the second half of this one.

   So yeah, I like this one.



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Reply #7 on: May 07, 2008, 02:55:37 PM
What Alasdair said.

Best. Trek.  Movie.  Ever.

(I thought its "second half", The Search For Spock, was pretty crummy actually, though nowhere near as bad as The Final Frontier [movie #5])

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Reply #8 on: May 08, 2008, 11:55:54 AM
Maybe I should invite Alasdair over to watch these flicks with my daughter and me... it might help them preserve their magic!  :)

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Reply #9 on: May 09, 2008, 06:21:20 PM
I've always liked it, but the effects don't hold up in a post BS:G world the way that the effects in Star Wars do.

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