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Reply #150 on: April 21, 2007, 09:49:21 AM
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Reply #151 on: April 22, 2007, 06:17:45 PM
Not your typical zombie movie, but based on a true story...
The Serpent and the Rainbow

Urm...  I've read the book (which was a serious, if highly subjective, memoir from a botanist dabbling in anthropology).  The movie is based on it to somewhat the same degree that The Omen is based on the Bible.

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Reply #152 on: April 23, 2007, 07:49:57 AM
You forgot Braindead/Dead Alive by Peter Jackson...



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Reply #153 on: April 23, 2007, 03:19:52 PM
Not your typical zombie movie, but based on a true story...
The Serpent and the Rainbow

Urm...  I've read the book (which was a serious, if highly subjective, memoir from a botanist dabbling in anthropology).  The movie is based on it to somewhat the same degree that The Omen is based on the Bible.
I will have to check out the book.  I did enjoy the movie, but haven't seen it in several years.  I have found as I have matured, movies I enjoyed when I was younger, haven't always withstood the test of time.  Be it dated jokes, maturation of my tastes, dated special effects etc.  I will say I always preferred the voodoo zombie type stories as opposed to the walking dead, not to take anything away from the walking dead. 


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Reply #154 on: April 24, 2007, 05:47:58 AM
World War Z is a book, and a very good fake oral history of a Zombie War that I heartily recommend, though I do feel it's a bit too light on some of the battles. At some later date I'll do a rundown on what in that book can help in the case of a zombie invasion, but for now I'll just say — shovel, sharpened ends, for use in lobotomies. And don't fire on full Automatic.

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Reply #155 on: April 24, 2007, 07:59:58 PM
Firearms are probably one of your best bets for surviving the initial infection event and immediately afterwards.  At least in the US.  I know of about a dozen places within ten miles of me where I could stock up on ammo and firearms with my crowbar credit card. 

The S&W .50 caliber or Israeli made Desert Eagle would make a mess of anyone's skull not just zombies.  Additionally with smaller caliber weapons, especially automatics hits to the legs would eventually impede their motion as joints don't like to work when pummeled repeatedly with lead at high velocity. 

Shotguns are your best friend but here I'd go with the old movie cliche of starting with a fully loaded police or military style and when empty simply drop and move on to something else.  Reloading is something that should be done after the action is over.  (Yes I'm aware of the irony of using a cliche)

Additionally, and this is something that scared the heck out of me when I learned it, grenades are legal here in AZ.  They're expensive as hell and require A LOT of red tape and paperwork to acquire but if you have money and the time they're yours.  What this means is that I know of two different stores in Phoenix that stock and sell them. 

Which brings me to my next point, automatic weapons.  Easily gotten in some states even the lighter caliber ones will deter zombies by shear transferal of a lot of kinetic energy.  The 45 calibers ones would chew some serious Zombie mobs to pieces. 

Spears...great for pinning Zombie to the ground and or soft building material. 

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Reply #156 on: April 24, 2007, 09:29:07 PM
Firearms are probably one of your best bets for surviving the initial infection event and immediately afterwards.  At least in the US.  I know of about a dozen places within ten miles of me where I could stock up on ammo and firearms with my crowbar credit card. 

The S&W .50 caliber or Israeli made Desert Eagle would make a mess of anyone's skull not just zombies.  Additionally with smaller caliber weapons, especially automatics hits to the legs would eventually impede their motion as joints don't like to work when pummeled repeatedly with lead at high velocity. 

Shotguns are your best friend but here I'd go with the old movie cliche of starting with a fully loaded police or military style and when empty simply drop and move on to something else.  Reloading is something that should be done after the action is over.  (Yes I'm aware of the irony of using a cliche)

The luxury of downtime is not one that should be counted on. Or having more weapons with bullets than zombies, especially in urban areas. Which is why a hand-to-hand weapon is probably your most reliable companion, though a gun does make sense at a distance. The Desert Eagle is a fine, powerful weapon that you need two hands, a stock, and a firm stance to have a hope of controlling the recoil and making a few dozen quick shots. And after a bit of firing it your arms hurt (oh, my misspent Rifle Team days [note: we shot .22 rifles at small black dots, the Desert Eagle bit was with a Teammate's parent after, and it happened in a range. It also helped take down my masculine bravado a few rungs, which in retrospect was not a bad thing.]). I'd stick with something smaller, and with ammo that's easier to find. Something like the old M1 Carbine, that you can use fairly accurately and move around easily.

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Additionally, and this is something that scared the heck out of me when I learned it, grenades are legal here in AZ.  They're expensive as hell and require A LOT of red tape and paperwork to acquire but if you have money and the time they're yours.  What this means is that I know of two different stores in Phoenix that stock and sell them.

Which only really slows down, unless you get lucky and some shrapnel takes care of the brain. There's no guarantee that the force of the impact will really do much to a zombie, apart from knocking them back/delegging them.

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Which brings me to my next point, automatic weapons.  Easily gotten in some states even the lighter caliber ones will deter zombies by shear transferal of a lot of kinetic energy.  The 45 calibers ones would chew some serious Zombie mobs to pieces. 
Yeah, but they you just end up with a zombie mob that's crawling, or moving a little faster because it's lost some weight. The lack of an arm or most of a midsection might slow the zombie down, but it doesn't kill them. In the worst case, you end up with a bunch of crawling zombies that you don't necessarily see as well as the upright ones.

Plus the transferal of momentum will only really happen that efficiently if the bullet hits bone, which isn't guaranteed. It's not the movies, where a bullet sends a guy flying feet back into a window. A regular bullet isn't that highly kinetic (High speed but low mass), and won't transfer that much of anything while passing through soft tissue, even if it's designed to break up.

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Reply #157 on: April 25, 2007, 11:11:23 AM
The luxury of downtime is not one that should be counted on. Or having more weapons with bullets than zombies, especially in urban areas. Which is why a hand-to-hand weapon is probably your most reliable companion, though a gun does make sense at a distance. The Desert Eagle is a fine, powerful weapon that you need two hands, a stock, and a firm stance to have a hope of controlling the recoil and making a few dozen quick shots. And after a bit of firing it your arms hurt (oh, my misspent Rifle Team days [note: we shot .22 rifles at small black dots, the Desert Eagle bit was with a Teammate's parent after, and it happened in a range. It also helped take down my masculine bravado a few rungs, which in retrospect was not a bad thing.]). I'd stick with something smaller, and with ammo that's easier to find. Something like the old M1 Carbine, that you can use fairly accurately and move around easily.
I use to argue against small gauge munitions VS. zombies (favoring something mid-sized) until I talked with a friend of mine about .22s. Allegedly they are a favored weapon of hitmen because they're light and small, relatively quiet, and the round is almost entirely lead. That means that they're easy to carry, won't attract undue attention, and when the round impacts it goes *splat* and shreds tissue. You won't take a zombie's head off like you would with a .50, but you can carry 10x ammo, and it only takes a shot or two to the head to take care of a zombie. Not to mention, it's not considered a prime weapon, so ammo should still be on the shelves when the other civilians panic and take everything bigger.

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Reply #158 on: May 01, 2007, 09:23:02 PM
Max Brooks's tome "The Zombie Survival Guide" (http://www.randomhouse.com/crown/zombiesurvivalguide/) is highly recommended if you dig on toying with undead apocalypse scenarios.  Amongst the many compelling points he makes....
  • In many situations, swords are better than guns because swords are silent and do not run out of ammo.
  • In many situations, bikes are better than motor vehicles because they are all-terrain, silent, and do not run out of gas.
  • Forget about the oil pumping; Heradel's idea about an offshore oil platform is excellent because the things are insanely defensible.  Even if by some dark miracle a horde of zombies floats out there, what are they going to do?  You send out occasional foraging parties in sailboats and as long as you can figure out a way to procure water you'll last as long as you can keep finding food.

Also, if I'm fighting alongside some silly sod who breaks out a flamethrower, they should expect my machete to wind up in their neck.  Flamethrowers will only deter targets that can experience fear and/or pain; zombies ignore both.  Sure, the napalm bath will turn the zombie into a pile of ashes ... eventually.  But until then, you have an aggressive shambling corpse completely unfazed by the fact that it's on fire, spreading the fire as it goes.  What's worse than having a zombie clawing at your throat?  Having a burning zombie clawing at your throat.

And as far as treehouses go ... get yourself a rope ladder and chop the bejesus out of your staircase with an axe, and viola -- instant zombie-proof fort.  (Of course, this is only an option if you're wagering that the zombie incursion is temporary and the key to survival is to hole-up and wait for rescue.  If a whole mess of them realize there's tasty tasty meat above them where they can't get at it and congregate under you ... well, chances are the living dead are a lot more patient than you are.)



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Reply #159 on: May 02, 2007, 04:01:06 PM
I disagree about the sword/gun thing.
Guns are a better weapon against Zombies because of their range, effectiveness, and ease of use.
Fighting with swords, or any edged weapon, requires a skill that most don't innately have. Guns, once the basics of turning off the safety and making sure it has bullets have been mastered, can be a point-and-click weapon even a child can use.
I don't mean to say that you shouldn't always, always have an edged side arm, or that you should rely on your gun alone to protect you, just that you shouldn't forsake something that throws lead if opportunity arises.

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Reply #160 on: May 04, 2007, 11:16:15 AM
But, with guns, you have one main problem: they DO run out of ammo eventually, and they don't cover enough space to kill a zombie.



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Reply #161 on: May 04, 2007, 11:45:54 AM
But, with guns, you have one main problem: they DO run out of ammo eventually, and they don't cover enough space to kill a zombie.
I'm not sure what you mean by "cover enough space to kill a zombie." Could you clarify that?

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Reply #162 on: May 04, 2007, 02:00:57 PM
The point of a gun is to shoot a projectile into a body. I guess what I'm saying is, they're not practical. You will probably need more bullets to kill a dead guy than a living person, and if the world's been overrun by zombies, then you only have so much ammo, going back to Thaurismunths' point.

I'm not quite sure what I meant by "covering enough area", though, if you have a sword, and zombies surround you, you can swish! and dismember all those around you.
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Reply #163 on: May 04, 2007, 03:39:17 PM
Well, the thing about zombies is that you don't have to "kill" them. You only have to destroy/remove their brain.
Cutting off their head works.
So does a single bullet to the brainstem, or a single larger bullet thru the face.
In most horror movies people make the mistake of aiming for the body and disabling it instead of taking off the head.

I don't think guns are The answer, especially in the long-run, because you will run out of ammo. However, if you have a gun and bullets and an edged weapon, you're probably in better shape than someone with an armload of edged weapons.

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Reply #164 on: May 04, 2007, 04:49:11 PM
I don't think guns are The answer, especially in the long-run, because you will run out of ammo. However, if you have a gun and bullets and an edged weapon, you're probably in better shape than someone with an armload of edged weapons.

I'll agree with that.  It's a matter of using the right tool for the job at hand; if you have a smallish horde of zombies standing between you and safety, clearing a path with a ranged weapon is the way to go.  If you have a single zombie you need to dispatch quietly while drawing a minimum of attention to yourself, you say to that zombie "Katana!  For you!  In the neck!!!"

But I would say that anybody who pats their trusty 12-gauge while scoffing at a good sharpened fire axe is both going to run out of ammo quicker and be less capable of coping with it when the inevitable happens.  And I also think that due to ammo scarcity, the attitude you'd need to cultivate is that the edged weapon is your default and you only break out the bang-bang for special occasions.

(Assuming, of course, that you think you're dealing with an apocalypse scenario.  If you think this is a temporary problem and you're just trying to stay alive until the National Guard puts down the threat, then hell yeah, grab some ammo and go nuts.)



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Reply #165 on: May 04, 2007, 07:22:58 PM
Dont quote me on this, but I've heard that Zombies hate Mineral Water.  Does that help at all?


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Reply #166 on: May 04, 2007, 07:33:12 PM
Dont quote me on this, but I've heard that Zombies hate Mineral Water.  Does that help at all?

Actually, yes, it does.  Zombies all remember the movie "Heathers" where everybody thinks the two dead jocks were gay because their bodies were found with mineral water.  Given that zombies are 1) already dead and 2) deeply insecure about their sexuality, their response to a bottle of mineral water is very similar to that of vampires and holy symbols, only with a lot more incoherent mumbling about how many chicks they've done.

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Reply #167 on: May 05, 2007, 12:40:42 PM
Dont quote me on this, but I've heard that Zombies hate Mineral Water.  Does that help at all?

Actually, yes, it does.  Zombies all remember the movie "Heathers" where everybody thinks the two dead jocks were gay because their bodies were found with mineral water.  Given that zombies are 1) already dead and 2) deeply insecure about their sexuality, their response to a bottle of mineral water is very similar to that of vampires and holy symbols, only with a lot more incoherent mumbling about how many chicks they've done.

Armor made from Dasani bottles is the key to surviving the undead apocalypse.
except Dasani is filtered tap water, it would need to be made from something like Perier, which would not be an easy armor to make as afaik it's still only available in glass bottles.


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Reply #168 on: May 05, 2007, 08:40:44 PM
I've heard, due to a latent green streak among zombies, that they really react badly to Fiji water.

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Reply #169 on: May 06, 2007, 01:34:53 PM
I've heard, due to a latent green streak among zombies, that they really react badly to Fiji water.
Similarly, that's why an SUV makes such a bad escape vehicle. The blatant disregard of ones carbon footprint and the haughty attitude associated with SUV drivers is likely drive a hoard of zombies in to frenzy.

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Reply #170 on: May 11, 2007, 09:47:44 PM
And the cost of gas will go right up during apocalypse, so a mini covered in Perier bottles filled with swords, guns, and food in the back would be best. Also, a good battering ram on the from would be nice.



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Reply #171 on: May 13, 2007, 10:01:25 PM
i think we Need to start thinking about the undead as a resource.
just think of all the free energy!
 you can load the deadheads on to a big treadmill attache a generator
z-power , its reliable , efficient and eco-frendly

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Reply #172 on: May 14, 2007, 01:36:22 AM
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Reply #173 on: May 18, 2007, 12:59:53 PM
Damn! "Tolerance/Intolerance" has us by 7 posts!

Quick!
What kind of survivor would you be, were you in a Zombie movie?

I play a good Lieutenant: Second in command, able to handle situations, but not interested in running the whole show and loathed to be behind a desk. I'd want to be sweeping buildings and rescuing survivors.

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Reply #174 on: May 18, 2007, 02:10:29 PM
Getting back to what weapons would be useful.....

It depends on a) what it takes to kill a zombie b) how infectious zombie disease is and c) how good are they at hand to hand combat.

If they have to kill you in order to infect you, then you just need to kill them before they kill you.  If they suck at hand to hand combat and are easy to kill, you could take a most any good sized melee weapon and go through them like a lawnmower.  If they are not so easy to kill, then you need to just be more careful and go more slowly.  If they are really good at hand to hand combat then you are screwed because they have the advantage of numbers.  The best strategy is to just keep running away.
If they are highly infectious, then you need to keep your distance. If they are easy to kill, then the best hand to hand weapon would probably be a pike or a really long spear or something similar.


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