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Reply #25 on: November 14, 2008, 03:58:08 PM
#24 not a concern for myself, but I do have a wife.

So you're not a 12 year old girl after all?



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Reply #26 on: November 14, 2008, 04:53:02 PM
Steve, honestly - since I found Escape Pod last year, I literally downloaded the entire back catalog and listened to everything in it - then went on to Podcastle and Pseudopod and beyond, into the general world of podcast fiction.  But Escape Pod started it for me.  Before this, it was just Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me and The News From Lake Woebegone.

So... Take your break, replenish your reserves and relax a little!  You do an amazing job, and I don't think there's anyone who could be angry about you taking some time off.


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Reply #27 on: November 14, 2008, 06:19:17 PM
Real Life happens, as the saying goes. Take your time, Steve, and we'll be here.

As a thought, maybe you could consider finding a guest host for the future, so you can take planned time off and also have some coverage for emergencies. This could lessen the stress when something comes up. Most regular features and shows have occasional guest hosts for these reasons (Diane Rehm and almost all the other NPR hosts, for example). It might allow you to take a week or two off a year planned as vacation while still keeping the business of EP flowing.

But Steve isn't just the host -- he's also the editor and producer, ne?  Just having a guest host wouldn't be enough to keep the show going.

He could have a guest host do a "best of", that always works.

He does, indeed, and that is a good point. There are a lot of ways to get around that. Diane Rehm does a lot of her own behind-the-scenes work, as well; but, once in a while she turns the reigns over to someone else. It comes down to delegating and business decisions. Steve makes EP what it is, and we all know that. It's a bit part of why we're all here. However, it seems as thought it's gone beyond a one-person show, and into a real and viable business, which (at least it's my impression) is where Steve wanted it to go. Taking something into a business means new types of decisions and often realizing you can't do everything all the time (I've had to learn this in my business, and I am a control freak; so, I know exactly how difficult this can be). It may mean letting someone else produce an episode occasionally so Steve can deal with other things. Or, it may not, and there may be other options. But, a guest host, a guest producer/editor, a "best of show," a few "favorite moments/stories of the year" shows, etc. are all pretty viable options often used by many shows for just this kind of occasion.

I am not saying Steve needed or should have done it this time. Just that it might be a workable idea to start scheduling some breaks for himself  in the future. Everyone needs breaks, and having a plan for that time is, IMHO, part a solid business plan.



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Reply #28 on: November 14, 2008, 07:02:11 PM
No best of. How can you have a best of, unless old episodes were rereleased. If so, then we here could do that. Use the stories from old mp3s of the episodes we have and add our own commentary. (Copyright Infrigement, agreement violation? IDK.



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Reply #29 on: November 14, 2008, 07:13:57 PM
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Reply #30 on: November 14, 2008, 07:15:22 PM
Having re-read the original post, I'm inclined to suggest that Mr Eley make a point of not producing more than 50 episodes a year; whether that means no EP for two weeks, or two guest-produced episodes a year is a question for another time, but as much as I admire Mr Eley's amazing achievements with EP (and if I were him, I'd be more than merely proud - I'd start every sentence I uttered with "speaking as someone with [one of] the longest uninterrupted podcasting runs..."), I don't want to see him kill himself over it; not now, and not five years down the line.

Everyone deserves (and needs) time off once in a while, and it's easier to avoid feeling guilty about it if it's worked into the plan in advance.

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Reply #31 on: November 14, 2008, 07:47:14 PM
I'd be happy to rework some of the older episodes, given permission/a working mic (dunked in hot chocolate by accident).



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Reply #32 on: November 14, 2008, 07:50:10 PM
Having re-read the original post, I'm inclined to suggest that Mr Eley make a point of not producing more than 50 episodes a year; whether that means no EP for two weeks, or two guest-produced episodes a year is a question for another time, but as much as I admire Mr Eley's amazing achievements with EP (and if I were him, I'd be more than merely proud - I'd start every sentence I uttered with "speaking as someone with [one of] the longest uninterrupted podcasting runs..."), I don't want to see him kill himself over it; not now, and not five years down the line.

Everyone deserves (and needs) time off once in a while, and it's easier to avoid feeling guilty about it if it's worked into the plan in advance.

I totally agree with this, although I think a 2 episode hiatus/vacation should be the bare minimum.


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Reply #33 on: November 15, 2008, 04:35:58 AM
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Nothing on Escape Pod could possibly be of less interest to me.  Not even a repeat of "Results".  I would delete such an episode unlistened.

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Reply #34 on: November 15, 2008, 04:36:33 AM
#24 not a concern for myself, but I do have a wife.

So you're not a 12 year old girl after all?

That would be telling;)

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Reply #35 on: November 15, 2008, 04:37:13 AM
Best of:

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Nothing on Escape Pod could possibly be of less interest to me.  Not even a repeat of "Results".  I would delete such an episode unlistened.

I think he was kidding. :p



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Reply #36 on: November 15, 2008, 04:43:37 AM

Going forward, another compromise between full-stop and full-episode that occured to me was an abbreviated format that didn't have an intro/outro and could be left in the hands of a reader and audio producer once the story was selected -- either a flash piece, combination of flash pieces, or a long one, like PodCastle's "Giants."  Ideally, a "classic" that could be done, given a two-or-three sentence intro, kept on ice for months, and pulled out when needed.

Just thinking out loud... 

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Reply #37 on: November 15, 2008, 02:17:23 PM
Best of:

Geek dad intro/outro

Nothing on Escape Pod could possibly be of less interest to me.  Not even a repeat of "Results".  I would delete such an episode unlistened.

I think he was kidding. :p

Yup, forgot to leave one of these.   :P



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Reply #38 on: November 16, 2008, 12:41:36 AM
Hey Steve.

To purloin a line from Garden State, you are really "in it, right now".
Tbh, I recognise your situation (if not the specific brain chemistry ;-)  ) and at the moment nothing will help more than time (of your own) and space (again, of your own) and less monkeys on your back.
Kind words and expressions of "it's not that bad" will start to kick in and seem real around about the time you don't need to hear them anyway.

Take as much time as you want before you 'come back' to Escape Podding.

Whether the podcast itself should stop is a different matter.
How about a guest editorship for a few weeks?

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Rest.  Relax.  Enjoy the hiatus. 
And that means having a proper break, not just no more official releases, while you work on madly in the background.
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Reply #39 on: November 16, 2008, 09:49:56 AM
I think a regular hiatus would be a good idea.  Just something already scheduled in.  Either "No EP August" or two weeks off in August and two in February. 



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Reply #40 on: November 16, 2008, 10:03:54 AM
^^

Agreed.



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Reply #41 on: November 16, 2008, 10:28:10 AM
I'm starting to worry that this thread is becoming quite problematic - it started out as people offering support but now has become two or so pages of people making unsolicited suggestions to Steve about how to run his business. I know everyone means well, but - speaking as someone who has had to deal with major anxiety issues himself - that may make things harder on him rather than easier. Not saying it will or won't, but Steve asked us for patience, not advice, and I think that until Steve explicitly asks us for advice on what to do, it's best to lay off offering it, and rather just make it clear that, as a community, we'll support his decisions regarding EP in the weeks to come.



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Reply #42 on: November 16, 2008, 03:47:17 PM
Eytanz, I see your point, but I don't totally agree.

I believe that most of the advice, solicited or not, here has been offered in the spirit of support. I think everyone has said that they wish Steve well, are totally fine with him taking time off, and will be here when he gets back. The advice part is less about how to run his business, IMHO, than it is about offering supportive ideas because we all (okay, I, at least, hope) that Steve can find a happy medium between his business and his personal life, so that both are successful.

Sometimes, support and well-wishes include advice, thoughts, and hopes.  Escape Pod is a business. I'd wager a fair number of people here are investors in that business, who are also personally interested in Steve's well-being because we care about him as a person. As such, it's only reasonable to offer thoughts on ways to help mitigate the situation in the future. We are so supportive pretty much everyone here has said "Yes! Take Time! In fact, we're totally good with you taking time more often for yourself, your family, and your creative juices!" Giving ways to do that, again IMHO, *is* supportive by letting Steve know we'd be fine with less episodes, differently hosted episodes, etc. if it makes his life and EP better.

Also, and I have to be honest about this, putting your life on the Web invites commentary. In this case, thankfully, it's all friendly commentary because Steve and EA are wonderful entities in and of themselves. But, truthfully, if Steve doesn't want feedback, I think he would probably be less personal about his posts and outros.



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Reply #43 on: November 16, 2008, 04:00:33 PM
Eytanz, I see your point, but I don't totally agree.

I believe that most of the advice, solicited or not, here has been offered in the spirit of support. I think everyone has said that they wish Steve well, are totally fine with him taking time off, and will be here when he gets back. The advice part is less about how to run his business, IMHO, than it is about offering supportive ideas because we all (okay, I, at least, hope) that Steve can find a happy medium between his business and his personal life, so that both are successful.

I agree with the sentiment. But the point is - I think Steve also deserves our trust. He has done a remarkable job so far, created something really excellent in Escape Pod, and I believe that he will continue doing so, in a way that works for him. I know that everyone here is being supportive, but whatever the exact nature of Steve's crisis, we shouldn't take his admission of its existence as an excuse to play armchair life coaches.

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I'd wager a fair number of people here are investors in that business

No, I don't think anyone here is an investor in the business. Investors are people who give money in return for an obligation. We're customers, and some of us make donations which makes us paying customers, but Steve does not owe us anything back. It's worth remembering that.

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As such, it's only reasonable to offer thoughts on ways to help mitigate the situation in the future. We are so supportive pretty much everyone here has said "Yes! Take Time! In fact, we're totally good with you taking time more often for yourself, your family, and your creative juices!" Giving ways to do that, again IMHO, *is* supportive by letting Steve know we'd be fine with less episodes, differently hosted episodes, etc. if it makes his life and EP better.

I understand this, believe me. But as someone who has gone through something that, based on Steve's description, shares a lot with his current situation, I also know that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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Also, and I have to be honest about this, putting your life on the Web invites commentary. In this case, thankfully, it's all friendly commentary because Steve and EA are wonderful entities in and of themselves. But, truthfully, if Steve doesn't want feedback, I think he would probably be less personal about his posts and outros.

He has been less personal, for a while now. And he made it quite clear in his posting that the only reason he's telling this to us now is because he feels he owes an explanation for EP's hiatus. I think it's exceedingly unfair to let the fact that Steve has been perhaps too forthcoming in the past obscure the fact that he seems to value his privacy more now.

Anyway, I realize I'm also continuing to publicly discuss Steve's personal life here, and therefore I will not continue discussing this - I've said what I think about this, and I'll leave it at that.
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Reply #44 on: November 16, 2008, 06:34:25 PM
I'm starting to worry that this thread is becoming quite problematic - it started out as people offering support but now has become two or so pages of people making unsolicited suggestions to Steve about how to run his business. I know everyone means well, but - speaking as someone who has had to deal with major anxiety issues himself - that may make things harder on him rather than easier. Not saying it will or won't, but Steve asked us for patience, not advice, and I think that until Steve explicitly asks us for advice on what to do, it's best to lay off offering it, and rather just make it clear that, as a community, we'll support his decisions regarding EP in the weeks to come.

Hmmm... I hadn't thought of it that way until you said it.  I took the discussion about refunding donations as including an implicit question on "What sort of changes to the EP schedule does the audience find acceptable?"  But in thinking it over, you're right, he didn't really ask.

I'll be quiet now...

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Reply #45 on: November 16, 2008, 07:03:45 PM
Hey man, i lost my Nan just over  a year ago.  it hits each of us differently and can be hell.  I've been listening for just over a month now and it has opened my eyes to a world which i did not know exsisted.  Escape Pod has introduced me to Scott Sigler!  i may have missed some great stuuf from him.  And as for all the stroies that have opened my eyes that Sci-Fi is not just spaceships and intergalctic battles i don't think that i would have the same view of the world that i do know.  It has had a massively positive effect on my own writing and I feel that i'm part of a society whcih spans the entire planet.
Take the time with your wife, son and family to grieve for your Nan and hopefully the time will give you what you need.
Come back when you're ready mate.  I've still got 67 episodes to catch up on.
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Reply #46 on: November 16, 2008, 09:54:27 PM
Come back when you're ready mate.  I've still got 67 episodes to catch up on.
All the best Mate.


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Reply #47 on: November 16, 2008, 10:54:38 PM
Come back when you're ready mate.  I've still got 67 episodes to catch up on.
All the best Mate.


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Reply #48 on: November 16, 2008, 11:20:45 PM

I agree with the sentiment. But the point is - I think Steve also deserves our trust. He has done a remarkable job so far, created something really excellent in Escape Pod, and I believe that he will continue doing so, in a way that works for him. I know that everyone here is being supportive, but whatever the exact nature of Steve's crisis, we shouldn't take his admission of its existence as an excuse to play armchair life coaches.

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I'd wager a fair number of people here are investors in that business

No, I don't think anyone here is an investor in the business. Investors are people who give money in return for an obligation. We're customers, and some of us make donations which makes us paying customers, but Steve does not owe us anything back. It's worth remembering that.

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As such, it's only reasonable to offer thoughts on ways to help mitigate the situation in the future. We are so supportive pretty much everyone here has said "Yes! Take Time! In fact, we're totally good with you taking time more often for yourself, your family, and your creative juices!" Giving ways to do that, again IMHO, *is* supportive by letting Steve know we'd be fine with less episodes, differently hosted episodes, etc. if it makes his life and EP better.

I understand this, believe me. But as someone who has gone through something that, based on Steve's description, shares a lot with his current situation, I also know that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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Also, and I have to be honest about this, putting your life on the Web invites commentary. In this case, thankfully, it's all friendly commentary because Steve and EA are wonderful entities in and of themselves. But, truthfully, if Steve doesn't want feedback, I think he would probably be less personal about his posts and outros.

He has been less personal, for a while now. And he made it quite clear in his posting that the only reason he's telling this to us now is because he feels he owes an explanation for EP's hiatus. I think it's exceedingly unfair to let the fact that Steve has been perhaps too forthcoming in the past obscure the fact that he seems to value his privacy more now.

Anyway, I realize I'm also continuing to publicly discuss Steve's personal life here, and therefore I will not continue discussing this - I've said what I think about this, and I'll leave it at that.

As someone who has also gone through something similar as well, I found it *helpful* to have people give me good, solid suggestions that showed me the person cared, understood, and wanted to be there for me. So, I am not sure it's fair to say that simply because you have been through it, then another person going through it must feel the same. Steve is an adult, and he can choose to read or not read, follow or not follow, the ideas here.

I don't think anyone has been playing armchair life coach. No one has tried to tell Steve how to handle his life, we've made suggestions about one particular thing: possible ideas for taking time off of EP in the future. No one is speculating on his personal situation, the reasons or extent of what is going on, what prompted the hiatus, or literally anything else not related to a few completely viable and well-reasoned options for what patrons might like to see on the BUSINESS side of EP, should he want to take more time off some day for some reason.

We aren't invading his privacy. No one here is asking questions about his personal life, which would be an invasion. We are also not discussing his personal life, other than to say "good for you, do what you need to do." We're not discussing his relationships, his family, his health, or anything else "personal." We've been discussing, again, things we might like to see on EP, a business, should the proprietor take a vacation.

Regarding investors vs. customers. Different people on the forums have differing opinions, but I'll go with customers/paying customers.It makes little difference Customers often discuss with proprietors things they'd like to see in the future, products they would and would not like, services that would be useful, changes in hours, etc. As customers, it's still completely relevant to discuss the policies, products, and other related issues for the business you patronize.

Regarding Steve being less personal, I agree, he has been. And, no one here has been discussing things from the past; so, again, I am not sure where the problem lies. He put out a statement that included some information relating to his taking leave. Discussion has stayed limited to that information. Steve chose to put it on the boards, which I understand, appreciate, and respect. In doing so, I am sure he expected discussion. I do trust Steve, he's an intelligent guy. I certainly trust him to know that discussion would take place because people care about him and EP, and to have locked the thread if that was a problem.





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Reply #49 on: November 17, 2008, 12:05:45 AM
Come back when you're ready mate.  I've still got 67 episodes to catch up on.
All the best Mate.


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