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Reply #75 on: March 29, 2009, 01:07:17 PM
This is what happens when Joss Whedon works with Fox. You'd think he'd figured that out by now...

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Reply #76 on: March 30, 2009, 03:12:29 AM
serenity was a good show that got rolled in the crap of network tv commercialization. this time we have a few nuggets of good storytelling sinking into a crap show, rolled in the crap of tv commercialization.

fox has a bad reputation for messing up shows and they deserve it. on the other hand, most of these shows wouldn't exist if fox didn't take a chance on them. i'm all for bashing the network when they deserve it but this is an equal opportunity crapfest.

on another note, i'm at a loss to explain why the steepest drop in viewers happened after the strongest episode of the series. i sorta wanted to drop off myself since we were going to lose quality after Joss's episode but few people are geeky enough to follow the writing credits. maybe something else was on this friday? people watched the first 15min and changed the channel, maybe?



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Reply #77 on: March 30, 2009, 04:25:11 PM
fox has a bad reputation for messing up shows and they deserve it. on the other hand, most of these shows wouldn't exist if fox didn't take a chance on them. i'm all for bashing the network when they deserve it but this is an equal opportunity crapfest.

That's pretty much it for me. I think Joss Whedon's great and all, but this feels like the worst thing he's done. Honestly, the one episode I watched felt like 45 minutes of filler of a lame undercover story and >5 minutes of important stuff. And even if I am able to accept that most of the other episodes' undercover bits are better than the one I watched, I don't think it matters that much. Because with shows like Alias, Veronica Mars, or even 21 Jumpstreet, the fun is watching characters I care about in situations that effect them as characters as it is about how the characters effect the situations. But here, the characters get wiped after every situation.

Or maybe they don't.

Which is intriguing. And if that was what the show was about, I might be more interested. Unfortunately, it's only a few minutes of the episode I saw, and instead Whedon seems to be vested in the concept of Echo and Co. being tossed into any new situation every week. It can be an adventure, horror, a musical, a murder mystery, or any combination of the above.

I guess I can understand the draw of being able to choose from any of those things to create a new episode every week but with these blank-slate characters, I just really don't care. And that it's all about human trafficking -- ugh. I want to believe Whedon's trying to say something about it all, but he just hasn't earned it from me with this show, and I'll be more than content to read other people's opinions about it. There's too much other stuff I'd rather watch.

Man, between Dollhouse and Fringe this year, I'm seriously disappointed  :(

On the bright side, if this does get cancelled, maybe Dr. Horrible II will be along sooner.


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Reply #78 on: April 01, 2009, 09:13:45 PM
Spoiler (sort of) question:




Has anyone ever seen a show where they did the "everyone gets drunk from some strange outside whatever" trope well?  I don't understand why this one gets done all of the time.  It always comes out bad.



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Reply #79 on: April 02, 2009, 04:10:53 AM
inuyasha did that once... twas kinda funny.

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Reply #80 on: April 02, 2009, 05:04:11 AM
I think it was a regular feature of Urusei Yatsura  ;D

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Reply #81 on: April 02, 2009, 07:11:11 AM
st:tng did it a couple times, once from effects of a collapsing star and later from an escaped holo virus (working off of a teenage memory here). like most thing in that show, it got better later. the first one wasn't great but i liked the second one, parts of it anyway. the scene that comes to mind is a moment of sexual tension between the doctor & captain.

an episode plot that plays better is everyone-gets-amnesia. Buffy's tabula rasa episode consistently gets voted as one of the most popular of the series. and since dollhouse plays with memory in every episode there would be the chance for some great meta-humour, not that i think these writers would pull it off.

but, the main thing, these episodes rely on the novelty of familiar characters acting against their nature. after six episodes i'm just not that vested in the proper-british-lady character to be amused by seeing her sprawled on the floor with snack food. this episode isn't just a tired trope, it was placed poorly is the series' timeline. doubly disappointing since Whedon is usually good at overall story arcs.



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Reply #82 on: April 02, 2009, 03:30:36 PM
an episode plot that plays better is everyone-gets-amnesia.

From the preview, this week's episode looks to be exactly the opposite ... everybody *loses* their amnesia.

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Reply #83 on: April 04, 2009, 06:34:09 PM
And a good episode. Arg.

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Reply #84 on: April 05, 2009, 03:44:56 PM
OMFG if this show's concept didn't already creep me out, the last episode certainly does.  From episode 1 we saw "Echo" being basically blackmailed into service, but now we see that "Sierra" is only there because some emotionally retarded shit-heel with too much power doesn't deal with rejection well.  I don't believe for a second that there are any real "volunteers" in the Dollhouse.  These are Very Bad People, and I'm totally rooting for Agent Helo to take them down.

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Reply #85 on: April 05, 2009, 03:54:44 PM
OMFG if this show's concept didn't already creep me out, the last episode certainly does.  From episode 1 we saw "Echo" being basically blackmailed into service, but now we see that "Sierra" is only there because some emotionally retarded shit-heel with too much power doesn't deal with rejection well.  I don't believe for a second that there are any real "volunteers" in the Dollhouse.  These are Very Bad People, and I'm totally rooting for Agent Helo to take them down.

Am so with you there, Steph, just watched ep 8 and this show is creepy as hell, but hey, I keep watching it tho, so not sure what that means. and I am sure it will be exactly as you predict, Helo will burn down the house.



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Reply #86 on: April 05, 2009, 03:59:40 PM
Am so with you there, Steph, just watched ep 8 and this show is creepy as hell, but hey, I keep watching it tho, so not sure what that means.

Well, I've read a few Sheri S. Tepper's novels, and plan to read more, and some of those are at least as disturbing as anything on Dollhouse.  So not sure what that means.  ;)

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Reply #87 on: April 10, 2009, 05:07:19 PM
And because they wouldn't be Fox without doing something colossally stupid to Joss and his fanbase, yet again, I present to you the following:
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Joss Whedon fans are in an uproar over news that Twentieth Century Fox TV has produced a 13th -- or 14th, depending on how you do your math -- episode of "Dollhouse" that Fox network is not going to air this season.
Eliza Dushku stars in the sci-fi series as a "doll" who lives at this high-class place run by a creepy, mercenary, fix-things-for-rich-people firm, which wipes her brain clean -- or nearly clean -- each week so she can be imprinted with a new personality and skill set to help the latest client in trouble. It's a feminist manifesto, according to ardent fans. Personally, we're not seeing it.

Anyway, the drumbeat started this week when Fox announced that it would air the season finale of "Dollhouse" at 9 p.m. on May 12. That episode is called "Omega."

Then word got out -- "somehow" -- that there exists a 13th "Dollhouse" episode, "Epitaph One," which Fox has declined to air.

Fox ordered 13 episodes of "Dollhouse" last spring from Whedon and Twentieth Century Fox TV, which, like Fox, is based at News Corp.

Fox also paid for 13 episodes.

But Fox got only 12 episodes that its execs considered good enough to air. The first episode that ran -- the one called "Ghost," on Feb. 13 -- was not the first episode shot.

The first first episode of "Dollhouse" was deemed unairable by Fox execs -- which, of course, makes us wonder why they picked up the show in the first place. But that's a story for another day.

What you need to know is that Fox paid for 13 episodes and got 12 for its money. Whedon and gang scrapped the original pilot for parts, using bits and pieces in the remaining 12 episodes of Fox's 13-episode order.

But, because Twentieth Century Fox TV made its DVD deals and international sales based on the magic "13" episodes, it had to produce another episode -- officially called the 13th episode but actually the 14th. And because times are tough for everyone, including Hollywood studios, Twentieth Century Fox would like to find a way to offset the out-of-pocket cost of producing this extra episode.

So it has suggested that the Fox network air "Epitaph One" as a "stand-alone kind of coda episode," in the words of "Dollhouse" consulting producer Tim Minear. But the network would have to pay extra to get the "extra" episode. Nobody's saying how much Twentieth Century Fox TV wants Fox network to pony up for the episode, but a drama series can cost more than $3 million an episode these days. Anyway, because "Dollhouse" hasn't exactly been a ratings barnburner for the network, odds of this happening fall between slim and none.

No one at Twentieth Century Fox TV is commenting on its campaign to persuade Fox to buy the episode. But Minear, on the Web site Whedonesque, said, "We . . . think Fox should air it because it's awesome."

ETA: Joss should really just go work for the BBC, because at least then he'd know for certain he only had 13 episodes in a series.
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Reply #88 on: April 11, 2009, 04:56:04 AM
Having watched tonight's episode, let me say that Joss is crap at one offs. Which is why most of them sucked. Give him some continuity and he'll plot the ship to the moon and back.

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Reply #89 on: April 12, 2009, 01:54:54 PM
OMFG if this show's concept didn't already creep me out, the last episode certainly does.  From episode 1 we saw "Echo" being basically blackmailed into service, but now we see that "Sierra" is only there because some emotionally retarded shit-heel with too much power doesn't deal with rejection well.  I don't believe for a second that there are any real "volunteers" in the Dollhouse.  These are Very Bad People, and I'm totally rooting for Agent Helo to take them down.

Am so with you there, Steph, just watched ep 8 and this show is creepy as hell, but hey, I keep watching it tho, so not sure what that means. and I am sure it will be exactly as you predict, Helo will burn down the house.
Creepy?  Maybe a bit when the "Serious Scientist" was talking at the end, but the implications were always pretty clear.  I wouldn't be surprised that the boss lady gets a treatment. 

My wife made a really good point, assuming for a minute that the Doll House actually lets people go after 5 years (not a given), what memories/traits do they return to the Dolls?  I'm sure they did a straight recording of Caroline, but wouldn't she then know too much?


And speaking of ST:NG - this episode was in all ways like "The Naked Now" where the crew loses their inhibitions.  I write, "in all ways", because a), just as deflective said, the episode happened too soon (so Data could get work as a sexbot, what do I care, maybe that's how he paid for Academy classes) and b) the idea was ripped of a previous series, but at least the writers admitted it.



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Reply #90 on: April 13, 2009, 09:36:08 AM
because I fell into FireFly so late i keep wanting to give it a chance but the thing with "Sierra" just left me cringing. they will let Echo go back to finish a fantasy about playing house and send her back to be basically raped. they better staighten that up real quick.



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Reply #91 on: April 13, 2009, 01:48:41 PM
because I fell into FireFly so late i keep wanting to give it a chance but the thing with "Sierra" just left me cringing. they will let Echo go back to finish a fantasy about playing house and send her back to be basically raped. they better staighten that up real quick.

I'm really not sure what you're saying here. I guess I don't "get" your complaint..



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Reply #92 on: April 23, 2009, 12:29:48 PM
I just finished number 9.  I also watched the first three over again with my wife during our vacation. 

Since the series is likely dead, we'll never know what was in store, but I like where it's starting to go. 

Also the first few eps were better the second time through.  I caught a few extra clues.



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Reply #93 on: April 23, 2009, 01:28:10 PM
Is the series already off the air?  I didn't notice it during last Friday's line up (then again, I was under the influence of some heavy duty OTC cold meds).

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Reply #94 on: April 23, 2009, 02:19:56 PM
I noticed it wasnt on last Friday too, but it still has episodes scheduled ot be aired this friday and the friday after, at least, so I think its OK for now...

semi-relevant article.. http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/04/dollhouse-joss-whedon-fox-eliza-dushku.html



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Reply #95 on: April 23, 2009, 02:39:01 PM
nah, there just was a double episode of Prison Break, because they returned.
The last 3 episodes (episode 13 will probably only be on the dvd) of this season of Dollhouse will be shown normally the next 3 Fridays.



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Reply #96 on: April 23, 2009, 03:19:56 PM
nah, there just was a double episode of Prison Break, because they returned.

I never watched Prison Bitch ... is it any good?

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Reply #97 on: May 04, 2009, 02:08:46 PM
YAY!!!  Wash was on!



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Reply #98 on: May 04, 2009, 02:18:55 PM
YAY!!!  Wash was on!

I know and he was great, so funny. perfectly cast and about time we had some more quirky Whedonesque humour in it. Loved it when he said: You know it was Earth Day last week, hilarious. in a few 100 years when people have died out Earth will have a People Day & laugh her ass off.

And hey, Dollhouse is getting better and better. Joss has definitely found his stride. The eps are throwing up really interesting questions, the whole idea of transplanting someone's mind into another body rather than manufacturing a fictional identity, hey I'll take Heidi Klum's body any day. Just gotta get her to volunteer and well, save a bit of money. *giggle*



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Reply #99 on: May 04, 2009, 03:38:12 PM

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