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on: May 06, 2009, 03:00:32 AM
I'm toying with the idea that the Terminator movies are becoming part of a modern myth.  I saw the preview to T4 and realized that the target audience was too young to have seen T1 in a theater, and that as far as I know, not only are there no actors who were in both T1 and T4, there aren't even any of the same characters.  This was probably true of T3, too.  For whatever reason, this seems to be a story that modern, Western society wants to hear again and again.  You could say the same thing about Star Wars, Star Trek, and James Bond.  But Star Wars was created to be a myth, so it's kind of cheating.  Plus the themes of the first movie aren't in the later ones.  They are just advancing the plot (pre-advancing?).  Star Trek is more of a world that you inhabit when you watch.  The themes of TOS, TNG, the spin-offs, and the movies are all pretty different.  The James Bond movies are formulaic to the point of being practically the same movie, but they seem to be more candy-coated fun.

T1 was intended to be candy-coated fun, but somewhere along the line something happened.  I'm getting a vibe that I can't quite put my finger on that there is something else going on here.  Each Terminator story addresses the same themes (man vs. machine, stopping an unstoppable adversary, changing your fate and the fate of the world, family (not so much in T1)) from a different angle.  But I think the cool part is that James Cameron didn't set out to make a modern myth.  It just grew into one.  We just kept coming back to hear the same story again and again.

What do you guys think?  Am I on to something or am I going all English Major on something that doesn't really deserve it.



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Reply #1 on: May 06, 2009, 07:15:32 AM
Short answer:  I think Judgement Day has become the main character.  It doesn't have any lines, but it's what all the stories are about.  It's like the monster pounding on the door as all of the characters watch in horror, praying the door holds.


Clarification and reduction of unintended arrogance:  This is my opinion given in a short concise form.  It is not the only answer.  When I reread that, I realized how arrogant it sounded.
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Reply #2 on: May 06, 2009, 07:43:40 AM
i am loving the sara coner cronicals at the moment,
not shure how its going to intergrate in tho the hole once t4 is out thow.

the appeal of the T  ties in to peopels fears of tecnolagy, its every whare ,you never know when its watching you , thares nothing you can do about it and one day it will GET YOU!!!!!

al shuld do an autopsy on it :-) i shall give him a prod whith my 40 Giga Wat  plasma canon :-)

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Reply #3 on: May 06, 2009, 03:11:32 PM
I'm toying with the idea that the Terminator movies are becoming part of a modern myth.  I saw the preview to T4 and realized that the target audience was too young to have seen T1 in a theater, and that as far as I know, not only are there no actors who were in both T1 and T4, there aren't even any of the same characters.  This was probably true of T3, too. 

T3 at least kept the Schwartzenegger model Terminator if nobody else.  But really The Terminator only had three characters: Sarah Connor, Kyle Reese, and the killer cyborg.  Assuming Salvation is set with John Connor all growed up and fighting the machines, I'd be surprised to see any of those three returning.

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Reply #4 on: May 06, 2009, 03:35:06 PM
i am loving the sara coner cronicals at the moment,
not shure how its going to intergrate in tho the hole once t4 is out thow.

the appeal of the T  ties in to peopels fears of tecnolagy, its every whare ,you never know when its watching you , thares nothing you can do about it and one day it will GET YOU!!!!!

al shuld do an autopsy on it :-) i shall give him a prod whith my 40 Giga Wat  plasma canon :-)
Oddly I was thinking about that myself earlier today:)  The question is, would they be science fiction or horror?



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Reply #5 on: May 06, 2009, 05:07:22 PM
I think that if you address it as a horror autopsy, the first two could be considered horror.  Especially the original.  But that is the case often in the movies.  Some of the scariest movies I've seen have been classified as sci-fi.



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Reply #6 on: May 06, 2009, 05:11:00 PM
I'm toying with the idea that the Terminator movies are becoming part of a modern myth.  I saw the preview to T4 and realized that the target audience was too young to have seen T1 in a theater, and that as far as I know, not only are there no actors who were in both T1 and T4, there aren't even any of the same characters.  This was probably true of T3, too. 

T3 at least kept the Schwartzenegger model Terminator if nobody else.  But really The Terminator only had three characters: Sarah Connor, Kyle Reese, and the killer cyborg.  Assuming Salvation is set with John Connor all growed up and fighting the machines, I'd be surprised to see any of those three returning.

At least one of the characters you cited will return in Terminator: Salvation. Although they may be portrayed by a different actor.


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Reply #7 on: May 06, 2009, 05:16:07 PM
I think that if you address it as a horror autopsy, the first two could be considered horror.  Especially the original.  But that is the case often in the movies.  Some of the scariest movies I've seen have been classified as sci-fi.

I think you're right (Primer's implications are terrifying, to me at least, but the closest thing you get to horror is a man holding a gun).  I'm planning on rewatching the first movies soon anyway so I'll make some notes, see what comes out of it.



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Reply #8 on: May 06, 2009, 05:48:52 PM
the first fillm is pure horror, its "girl chased by monster" just whith a sifi twist

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Reply #9 on: May 06, 2009, 06:59:58 PM
Off topic:  Oddpod, I can get used to your posts, but your avatar is still driving me crazy!



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Reply #10 on: May 06, 2009, 07:42:12 PM
Off topic:  Oddpod, I can get used to your posts, but your avatar is still driving me crazy!

i shall fix it :-)

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Reply #11 on: May 06, 2009, 07:59:14 PM
No!  I was merely letting you know!

Unless you have something you were thinking about using anyway.

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Reply #12 on: May 12, 2009, 01:45:21 PM
the first fillm is pure horror, its "girl chased by monster" just whith a sifi twist

I watched Spielberg's Duel this weekend...

It's closer to that than horror... horror depends on a series of reveals, whereas like Duel Terminator is based on an unrelenting cranking up of threat from a malevolent entity.

Duel sure isn't horror.  It's as stripped down a thriller as thrillers get.



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Reply #13 on: May 19, 2009, 03:33:44 PM
Saw Terminator Salvation last night. Better than the third film, better by a long way than the second simply by virtue of not having punkass-bitch preteen John Connor, or Schwartzenegger's "Good" Terminator ("like Tin Man with heart"). But basically just an action movie, not approaching the same league as the original Terminator.

Still, because it was set in the future we got to see some pretty sweet giant robots. And what must have been a CGI Schwartzenegger as the very first T-800 (he hasn't been that fit in years).

But there was another skinjob Terminator that was LITERALLY a "Tin Man with heart".

Anyway ... I say wait for this one on cable or rent the DVD, unless you get to see it for free like I did.

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Reply #14 on: May 19, 2009, 03:54:15 PM
Saw Terminator Salvation last night. Better than the third film, better by a long way than the second simply

So you're saying the third movie was better than the second? That's crazy talk.



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Reply #15 on: May 19, 2009, 04:14:50 PM
Saw Terminator Salvation last night. Better than the third film, better by a long way than the second simply

So you're saying the third movie was better than the second? That's crazy talk.

Got to say I agree with Eytanz.



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Reply #16 on: May 19, 2009, 05:38:01 PM
So you're saying the third movie was better than the second? That's crazy talk.

Got to say I agree with Eytanz.

I have to consider the second film to be the worst of the lot.  Young John Connor was annoying beyond words; the third film still had the "Tin Man with heart" Terminator but also had an adult John.  And I seem to remember a bit more action in the third film; the only good action sequences in Judgment Day were at the beginning and the end, with a great big bore-fest in between.

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Reply #17 on: May 19, 2009, 06:08:00 PM
I admit from everything I've been seeing, this idea (or at least the setting) is what I always wanted to see in a Terminator film. And I liked all three of them, more or less, although I though I thought 3 had some serious issues - mostly a lame-ass Terminatrix. But the happy ending almost made up for that.


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Reply #18 on: May 19, 2009, 06:15:27 PM
I thought the happy ending was one of the worst parts.  Also the action scenes were stupid and just plain bad.



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Reply #19 on: May 19, 2009, 06:20:24 PM
I thought the happy ending was one of the worst parts.  Also the action scenes were stupid and just plain bad.

When I said happy, I was being somewhat sarcastic. As in seeing everything go ka-blooey made me happy.


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Reply #20 on: May 19, 2009, 07:12:53 PM
I thought the happy ending was one of the worst parts.  Also the action scenes were stupid and just plain bad.

When I said happy, I was being somewhat sarcastic. As in seeing everything go ka-blooey made me happy.

I was being even more sarcastic.  I was happy, because it was over.



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Reply #21 on: May 20, 2009, 07:54:43 AM
The third movie was literally forgettable for me.  I remember the fact that I saw it, but I can't remember a single scene or part of the plot. 

I'm with you %100 that boy John was lame.  But every other aspect of T2 was fantastic enough that it more than made up for it.   



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Reply #22 on: June 03, 2009, 06:23:42 AM
i really liked the terminator character (been a bit now since ive seen it so i forget his name!)
the rest of the cast could suck it.

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Reply #23 on: June 03, 2009, 02:42:09 PM
i really liked the terminator character (been a bit now since ive seen it so i forget his name!)

Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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Reply #24 on: June 03, 2009, 04:04:42 PM
i really liked the terminator character (been a bit now since ive seen it so i forget his name!)

Arnold Schwarzenegger.
... no.
i mean the new one.  Marcus i think? yea. Marcus Wright.
i liked him in that movie.

and yea CGI Schwarzenegger was awesome.

I'd like to hear my options, so I could weigh them, what do you say?
Five pounds?  Six pounds? Seven pounds?