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Reply #25 on: September 03, 2009, 04:07:23 PM
Okay, you (plural) don't like PotC, which is cool. I'd still contest that they were movies Disney did relatively well and were generally successful critically, finnancially, and um, entertainingly. At least, I thought they were. (I'm not trying to sway your opinion of the movies.)

Still, Pixar? Miramax? The Miyazaki movies that they distribute? (Ponyo, Princess Mononoke.)

Disney is a corporation, as was/is Marvel. But they've done some stuff I enjoy and I'm definitely willing to give them the benefit of the doubt right now with Marvel. Especially considering this:

If you don't think Marvel is already pumping out books based on a corporate mentality rather than a creative vision, I have bad news for you.


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Reply #26 on: September 03, 2009, 04:19:03 PM
I think the only big difference will be Marvel characters in the Disney marketing machine.  Even more tie-ins even more merchandising.  Disney bought Marvel, because they were making money.  I don't expect them to touch the base business.  Then again I do see the appeal of a Hannah Montana/Spiderman crossover.



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Reply #27 on: September 03, 2009, 04:49:40 PM
Then again I do see the appeal of a Hannah Montana/Spiderman crossover.

Bono's already written the musical  ;)

(minus Hannah Montana)


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Reply #28 on: September 03, 2009, 07:40:41 PM
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I'd like to hear my options, so I could weigh them, what do you say?
Five pounds?  Six pounds? Seven pounds?


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Reply #29 on: September 03, 2009, 11:19:07 PM
Three Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy novels
There were five.
I have spoken.

So Long and Mostly Harmless don't count, as they are made of weapons-grade suck.

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Reply #30 on: September 04, 2009, 08:49:54 AM
Three Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy novels
There were five.
I have spoken.

So Long and Mostly Harmless don't count, as they are made of weapons-grade suck.

That's some serious suck.



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Reply #31 on: September 04, 2009, 09:10:09 AM
So Long and Mostly Harmless don't count, as they are made of weapons-grade suck.

stePH, I really, really wish you'd just say what you think, instead of beating about the bush.


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Reply #32 on: September 04, 2009, 09:19:40 AM
I don't always agree with stePH, but on this one, I definitely do.

(Actually, I slightly retract.  I'm glad Mostly Harmless exists to give the franchise closure, even if it's not a great book.  There's no excuse for So Long, though.



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Reply #33 on: September 04, 2009, 11:19:14 AM
Okay, you (plural) don't like PotC, which is cool. I'd still contest that they were movies Disney did relatively well and were generally successful critically, finnancially, and um, entertainingly. At least, I thought they were. (I'm not trying to sway your opinion of the movies.)

Still, Pixar? Miramax? The Miyazaki movies that they distribute? (Ponyo, Princess Mononoke.)

Disney is a corporation, as was/is Marvel. But they've done some stuff I enjoy and I'm definitely willing to give them the benefit of the doubt right now with Marvel. Especially considering this:

If you don't think Marvel is already pumping out books based on a corporate mentality rather than a creative vision, I have bad news for you.

What Dave said, basically.  I ran a comic shop for seven years and that whole time, there was a rolling deadpool on when Marvel would finally fold at numerous message boards. They weren't producing good comics, they weren't reaching out to new audiences, they weren't growing.

That same company, barely a decade later, is worth four billion dollars. 

They're not perfect, that's certainly true, but Marvel have pushed the envelope pretty constantly for the last few years, been unafraid to try new approaches both to old types of story and new ones and fundamentally, have been happy to step outside their normal story frameworks.  They've done work which is either good or popular and often both and that's been reflected in this sale.

This is going to have minimal effect on comic content, because Disney know what they want, know where they're strong and where they're lacking and know when to leave well enough alone.  Don't forget, one of their companies produced and distributed Kill Bill and the last time I checked, Donald isn't leading the Crazy '88s in the closing fight.

Plus, Rich Johnston, a UK comics journalist has made a really interesting point about Disney buying up a comic company which, via a distribution deal with Panini, has digests of Marvel titles on sale in every major newsagent in England, a country where Disney comics have precisely no market share at all.  At least part of this deal may well have been motivated by the desire to change that, to establish Disney in the comics industry in England the same way they have in Italy (Where Mickey X, in which Mickey Mouse is a paranormal detective is massively successful).

Basically , pretty much all this will change, at first at least, is that the next Kingdom Hearts game will have a much more varied roster.



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Reply #34 on: September 04, 2009, 01:23:34 PM
Basically , pretty much all this will change, at first at least, is that the next Kingdom Hearts game will have a much more varied roster.

And the Spider-Man ride at Universal Studios in Florida, which totally kicks ass.  They can't just change the name on it like they could with The Hulk.  Maybe they'll just move it to a Disney park.

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Reply #35 on: September 05, 2009, 12:16:16 AM
I'm sure you guys know comics better than I do. I don't follow that closely. I do know that one company does not normally buy another just to have it. I'm just thinking we'll see the same thing here as what happened when ford bought Volvo: bland compromise product.



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Reply #36 on: September 05, 2009, 06:06:53 AM
I don't think anyone's suggested they bought it just to have it.  I think they bought it because they're much more interested in the more lucrative movie, tv, video game, etc. exploitation of the famous characters than they are of anything that happens in the low-profit, low-profile ghetto of the comics themselves.  In fact, we've had the first reports from Marvel editorial's first meeting with Disney execs, and this appears to be exactly what we're hearing.

I don't blame you for not trusting my judgment as a random guy, but EVERY commentator with an informed position, with knowledge of comics, Hollywood, or both, both inside and outside Marvel and Disney's corporate structure, seem to all agree that the only change likely to occur to the comics anytime soon is the quiet execution of Marvel's limp and unimportant, borderline-X-rated "Marvel Max" line.



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Reply #37 on: September 05, 2009, 06:23:26 AM
One other thought:

Mark Evanier, a widely respected figure in Hollywood and Comics pro circles, but relatively unknown outside of them, pointed out that not only will they get full benefit to exploit movie, theme park, etc. rights once current contracts expire, that even before that, every dollar Marvel makes from any of those contracts now will appear on Disney's balance sheet.  Which means a lot of Sony, Fox, Universal etc. money flowing into Marvel.  ME is far from claiming this as fact, but in his generally solid estimation, this is at least significant enough to be a sufficient (even if it isn't the actual) reason to buy Marvel in and of itself.

Also, Rich Johnston points out that Marvel have a contract with Panini, a european company who repackages American comics for European audiences.  They are a powerful and direct competitor to Disney's Italian branch, and their dominance of the UK market in particular have effectively locked Disney out of the UK.  So owning Marvel could obligate Panini to distribute Disney comics, and Marvel is too important to Panini to simply drop the contract next time it comes up.

So, there are many reasons that Disney could be buying Marvel that have nothing to do with wanting to turn Marvel into some sort of Disney Kids publishing line.



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Reply #38 on: September 05, 2009, 08:21:57 AM
Three Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy novels
There were five.
I have spoken.

So Long and Mostly Harmless don't count, as they are made of weapons-grade suck.
There. Were. Five.
I HAVE SPOKEN.

I'd like to hear my options, so I could weigh them, what do you say?
Five pounds?  Six pounds? Seven pounds?


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Reply #39 on: September 05, 2009, 04:59:30 PM
Weapons-grade suck.  I have spoken.

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Reply #40 on: September 19, 2009, 03:23:46 AM
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