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Reply #25 on: February 15, 2013, 04:26:01 AM
I have been informed that the term "panties in a bunch" may be perceived by some as sexist - such was not my intention and should certainly not be inferred as such by anyone - as I have no idea of the sex of the poster who the posting was in response to.  Please replace with "get in a tizzy".  I do not believe this term has any inherent problem as I have heard it applied to both sexes.

I have also been informed that the "ADD" modifier of "addled" would be considered insulting to those who have suffered from ADD, ADHD or other related problems.  Unequivocally, this is so and I apologize to all those who have such problems or know people with such problems.  There must be a better shorthand for the lack of concentration (and expectation of lack of concentration) currently at work in our culture and I should seek it out.  Perhaps just the unmodified "addled" would suffice.

After thinking it over, I've decided that, in retrospect, a quick summation of my actual response to the initial posted question in this thread would be a glib but pithy "all of them" or a cynical but honest "Art & Letters of Civilization from anytime before 5 minutes ago".  I just indexed and archived a number of STINGRAY fanzines (the Stephen J. Cannell show, not the Gerry Anderson one) from the 1980s for a University papers collection and NO ONE remembers that show...
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Reply #26 on: February 15, 2013, 01:15:08 PM
But overall, let me stress again that the question of what was good in its time and the question of what has lasting interest are different questions. Babylon 5 - a show I obsessed about as a teen - was groundbreaking as far as what it did for long-form television storytelling in the 90s. It is also somewhat painful to watch now, 20 years later, when it no longer has the shine of novelty attached to it. That doesn't make 18-year-old me a fool for loving it, anymore than it makes a current 18 year old a fool if they find it dated.

I just watched B5 about four years ago. While the graphics were painful at times, and the storytelling occasionally dated, overall I loved it quite a lot. Same with Buffy, which I watched right after B5. Great stories are good no matter when you experience them.

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Reply #27 on: March 01, 2013, 03:55:23 PM
Yeah, those were good days. Along with Earth2, Space Above and Beyond was another show I thought was great that was canned before it's time (really, it seems like it was a precursor to the recent BSG).

I agree, Dave. Space Above and Beyond was awesome in its day, killed before its prime. The Firefly of the 90's.

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Reply #28 on: March 28, 2013, 12:35:20 PM
60s-early 90s anime, apart from shonen Dragonball- or Pokemon-type stuff, and shoujou stuff; especially adult-oriented stuff.  Anime has degenerated into several broad categories still persisting:  Kids shows and fight-manga adaptations; and girl's anime.  These two haven't changed all that much.  It's the rest that's gone right up its own ass.  You've got maybe one or two series with really mature, complex storytelling per year, then the remainder is veiled pornography, often pedophilic.  Like just enough distance that you can maintain a fiction that you aren't jacking to it.  There's a gradient between that and girl's anime, of all things. 

Anyhow, this transition probably started in the early 90s, and got really fucking creepy in the mid 2000s.  Kids growing up now know what anime and manga are.  They get it on some level.  They may embrace the creepy shit, or reject it, and they may embrace the more literary stuff.  But stuff like Robotech/Macross or old Gundam shows, or Galaxy Express and such might be hard to get.  They don't fit into modern pigeonholes.  They aren't quite as "deep" as Ghost in the Shell or Berserk or Planetes or Kaiji or whatever, and they clearly aren't strictly for kids, and they aren't pseudoporn.  They might have some appeal, but the visuals are mostly pretty terrible by modern standards, so they might never sit through it to get to the core of what appealed to us old people. 



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Reply #29 on: March 28, 2013, 01:09:21 PM
just thought of this one after posting Ultraman to the picture association thread.  There is the sad derivative that is power rangers but...


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Reply #30 on: April 17, 2013, 01:56:16 AM
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One could argue that Star Trek and Dr. Who are examples.  There is still interest in new movies/tv shows some 40 years later, but I can hardly watch some of those early episodes now, due to how bad the special effects are, and better special effects existed when those came out.  For example look at the effects in Forbidden Planet and compare to Star Trek.  some of the early stories are not badly written, but...  


Remember that Forbidden Planet was a movie, with a dramatically different budget and schedule than a TV series.  I think it's a characteristic of the "analog world" that the gradient from "something slammed together on a schedule" and "true state of the art" is a lot greater than it is now.

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