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EP363: Flowing Shapes

By Rajan Khanna

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Originally appeared in Basement Stories Issue 1 (2010)

Part One: Contemplation

The human came to She Shalu on the Day of Flowering Awareness. Damo met him near the Still Garden, the fumes of the exiting shuttle mixing with the sharp spice of the tall, white twizak plant. Damo wore a humanoid shape so as to minimize the stranger’s discomfort.

Damo studied the human with the practiced eyes of a Synan. Dark hair covered his head and parts of his body, and he was sleight of build, despite the solidity of his form. About 1.7 meters tall. His features were mostly smooth, bones prominent, eyes with the barest hint of a slant. A mouth surrounded by full lips.

“How may I help you?” Damo said, trying to sound gracious.

“I came to study Wan She,” the human said.

Damo felt his features flow with his astonishment. Perhaps he had not heard correctly, or his translation module was malfunctioning. “I am sorry,” he said. “Wan She is the Path of Flowing Shapes. It is a Synan practice. Humans, being incapable of shifting, cannot practice it.”

The human smiled, revealing straight, white teeth. “I know. I’m writing a book,” he said. “But isn’t it true that the first stage is concerned solely with contemplation? Surely that is not beyond a human.”

Damo stifled his urge to shift in response to his unease. Uncontrolled shifting was against the teachings of Wan She. “That is true,” he said. “But Wan She is a path. Not a series of distinct teachings. To step on that path is to begin a journey.”

“All I ask is that you let me speak to your Tanshe. Let him decide.”

Damo was all too willing to accommodate the human in this. Let the Tanshe decide. It certainly saved Damo the trouble of having to assimilate this odd request.

“Please follow me,” he said.

He led the human through the Still Garden, inhaling the heady scent of it, delighting in its exoticness. Most of the students overlooked the Still Garden, and in doing so missed out on one of the true beauties of She Shalu.

They moved through the pearlescent designs of the sanctuary’s hallways to the Tanshe’s bubbled door. “Wait here,” Damo said, then entered.

The Tanshe was in an original form, multilimbed, eyeless, lacking both ears and nose. Turning inward. Her bright amber skin was splattered with black inky spots. She looked up as Damo entered, eyes appearing from inside her face. Damo let his features droop in the customary manner. “Tanshe, there is a human to see you.”

The Tanshe’s features flowed and shifted until they were almost exactly a human’s. “Send it in,” she said. “And wait outside.”

Damo’s skin settled. He was not to be involved in this discussion. It was good. The Tanshe would deal with it and send the human away. Damo did as the Tanshe asked.

He waited outside, letting his features relax into the default Synan shape. He’d worn the humanoid one as a courtesy, and because it was polite and expected, but he disliked it. It was distasteful. Too firm. Too set.

He waited for some time, then the door bubble opened. He quickly shifted back into his humanoid form and turned to face the human, now exiting. “She told me to send you in,” the human said.

Damo looked at the human’s firm, immobile face. So alien. So disgusting.


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Reply #1 on: September 28, 2012, 12:04:03 AM
Well, I'll start this one off.

Over all I really enjoyed this story. I like the idea of shapeshifters, like Odo from DS9, but that these people have to learn the ability through arduous study and devotion. I enjoyed the dilemma of Damo and his own hypocrisy of being accepting of same sex relations, but not same species, when in reality the two are very similar, if not one and the same. And I like the bittersweet ending with Paul Tan being driven off, and Damo having to face his mistakes, but being willing to step outside of his box finally, leave the protection of She Shalu, and try to make the difference he knows must come.

I admit, I struggled with the political agenda of this story at first, mostly, I think, because of the reveal of Paul Tan's homosexuality. I have no problem with people in same-sex relationships--to each his own and all--but I grow tired of the agenda being pushed in sci-fi. I think the major reason for this is that sci-fi generally takes place in the distant future, and yet the homosexual choices of the characters are still met with fear, abhorrence and derision by society. Our society is currently on the brink of social change, with acceptance growing more and more each day. Yes, there is still a long way to go. But you can't tell me that in a thousand years, mankind is still going to be facing homosexuality with such resistance. If it's almost accepted now, why wouldn't it be a regular day occurrence by then? And yet many stories today use sci-fi as their sounding board while creating situations in the far future that mimic our society today, when the differences would be so vast you wouldn't be able to even begin to compare them. Compare our society today with that of a thousand years ago.

My apologies for the rant. I think this was brought on, not just by this story, but because I just read a story in the Flash Fiction contest dealing with similar homosexual issues in the far, far future. So it's a little built up I guess.

As I said, I really enjoyed this story and the homosexual comparisons worked once it was established that in Damo's society it was still considered deviant and illegal. I think if Paul Tan had glossed over his own orientation, and then Damo had brought it up, to which Tan would say, "You still deal with that? We got over it decades ago." I wouldn't have had such a hard time with it.

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Reply #2 on: September 28, 2012, 01:59:03 AM
Just as a note on the general argument (rather than the specific story):

1) Homosexuality has been around at least as long as recorded history.  If we haven't gotten over it in the last ten thousand years, why should another thousand years or so make any difference?  (The wheel turns backwards, too, after all.)

2) It's true enough that projecting current issues onto the far future isn't entirely realistic, but that's a criticism only insofar as the science fiction in question has a primary goal of predicting a likely future.  The genre is wider than that, I think, and if you're going with Zen-spouting shapeshifting aliens, you're already pretty far from "plausible" to begin with, ne?  ;-)



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Reply #3 on: September 28, 2012, 08:12:20 AM
It was an ok story, not good enough for me to seek out more from the author, annoying enough I felt the need to post about it.

My biggest problem was that they were star trek aliens, humans in alien drag. There was nothing really alien about them and thus no real reason for them to be alien.

My next biggest problem was that there was nothing really new there, it was Yet Another Coming Out Story. If you read any queer fiction you will have read dozens of these.

Combined they constitute the heart of my objection, if you are going to trot out aliens (particularly aliens that you couldn't distinguish from zen monks in a dark alley (or even a brightly lit boulevard)) then you need to really do something with them. Show something about the human condition that is too painful to look at directly, that needs that existential prosthetic forehead figleaf.

On the other hand, this was the first story I've heard on here in ages that was so depressing and dark it made me want to open up a vein. It was still depressing and dark, but I just want a beer and maybe a quick listen to The Essential John Barrowman.



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Reply #4 on: September 28, 2012, 04:01:52 PM
I didn't really like it - It had the feeling of a cross between a soap opera and a Buddhist monastery.  The homosexual agenda was annoying but not the main reason I had for not liking it.  The story started out appearing to be about humans experiencing and learning from alien culture.  I half expected it to end with Paul learning to actually shape shift. But then it did a left turn into an angst filled story about who likes who, and who's jealous of them, and how afraid other people can be of those who are different.




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Reply #5 on: September 29, 2012, 03:07:06 AM
I went into this story based on the title alone.  I like geometry and the nature of shapes, so I was pleasantly surprised to hear that this story dealt with shape shifting via spiritual enlightenment.  I admit, like others, I was half expecting something along the lines of Paul Tan learning to do something humans just couldn't biologically do.  Instead, the story took a path leaning more towards the morality of sexual relationships.  This could be just me and the way my core thought processor functions, but I just couldn't view this as "inherent sexuality vs. religious ambiguity" in the form of science short fiction.  The samurai of feudal Japan relished in love regardless of gender, as did the druids before the crusades.  I was able to pick up on Damo's frustration right away.  He clearly didn't revere Paul Tan's presence for the simple fact that he was human.  That alone is what carried this story from beginning to end, and as unbelievable as it sounds, that's what got me to like this story.

What I didn't like, on the other hand, was the short lived ending.  It was too (for lack of a better term) convenient.  After the last meeting with the Tanshe, Damo didn't spend too much thought into leaving She Shalu (or at least that's what I gathered from the narrative).  
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Reply #6 on: September 29, 2012, 08:14:44 AM
It started well but it got a little to adult, I have no problem with homosexuality but it was way unexpected and then just dominated the rest of the story, and in all honesty little to visceral for my taste.



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Reply #7 on: September 29, 2012, 04:35:47 PM
When Paul Tan "came out", I was worried that this would become one of *those* stories. You know those stories. It's a story whose narrative and characterization has been hijacked by an author's not terribly subtile agenda. It doesn't matter whether or not you agree with the agenda of those stories or even what the agenda might be. The fact of the matter is that they work better as an op-ed piece instead of fiction.

But thankfully this isn't one of "those" stories. It soon becomes a statement on the messiness of reality and the difficulty of clean, neat categories, and the fact that we often put our desires and hopes (as well as our fears) on the "other". And I liked that.



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Reply #8 on: September 29, 2012, 05:20:22 PM
I, for one, want more homosexual agenda in my science fiction. Also, I want some Marxist-Leninist, atheist futures where humans aren't better than robots because of some ineffable spark of blah. Humanity--bah humbug!

In all seriousness (well, I wasn't entirely joking in that mini-manifesto above), I didn't love this story because it felt too familiar: as has been pointed out, the Zen Buddhist aliens aren't particularly alien. There were a few gestures towards foreignness here and there--a metaphor about wateriness, a Zen koan about fixing your shape, the stable and shifting gardens. But it felt a bit too much like "man learning Eastern wisdom" (although it makes me wonder how basic and widespread the monastery structure would be in a multi-alien universe).

As for the "forbidden love" angle, I'm serious when I say I don't mind didacticism in my fiction; I take very seriously--well, I take everything seriously, but I like Keynes commentary on how absence of theory usually means adherence to some previous, unarticulated theory. Or in the case of sexuality, a heterosexual character would merely be articulating a different theory of sexuality.

(I'm particularly sensitive to any attempt to institutionalize X as normal because I'm a science fiction fan; so when people talk about sex, race, orientation, or genre, I like to point out that male, white, heterosexual, and mimetic/literary are all specifics, not universals against which to judge the others, "abnormal" settings. This is also a huge issue in 1950s novels by African-Americans, whose work often tries to paint the particularities of black experience as a part of the whole of America, not a deviation from some standard white story.)

That said, I also felt that the "forbidden love" angle was a little too familiar; and Damo's conversion from disgust to acceptance happened a little too quickly. I was just listening to an early Writing Excuses episode, where they discussed mixing familiar with strange, so that may have influenced this criticism that the two major pieces of this story (shapeshifting aliens, forbidden love) felt too familiar. Still, any story that causes discussion can't be all bad.



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Reply #9 on: September 30, 2012, 12:57:00 AM
I was very pleasantly surprised by this story.  Between the title and the intro I was sure I'd dislike the story.  Instead I really enjoyed it.  It wasn't about eastern-style mysticism which I feared, but was about someone, an alien, learning to be a better being and reaching a new understanding of himself.  And maybe, just maybe, he is inspired to try to reshape his world too.  Good stuff.   :)  A well written, well plotted story (which I feel the need to say because I often complain about the lack of plots.)
 
I will agree with Cutter McKay, though.  Although I didn't notice it here because the Paul Tan was not the main character, I am depressed by stories set in the future where human homosexuals still face the same issues and discrimantion that they do today.  We're moving towards acceptance now, and I don't want to contemplate a future where we don't get over it or actually go backwards.  I am not bothered by the aliens having that bias though.



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Reply #10 on: September 30, 2012, 06:07:18 PM
For a story about the transitory nature of shape, this one was remarkably limited. The shapeshifting land-octopi are homophobes, just like us. The interspecies romance is between two nominally male characters, even though I'm not sure I could tell the difference between an alien male and female. Everything that happens in this story is exactly what it should be, what it ought to be, and that's the weakness. This story was business as usual, nothing to challenge me.

Now, to a homophobic audience, I'm sure this story would have been more challenging, purely because of the subject matter. For me, though it was a clear and slightly boring allegory. The aliens were not alien - they were humans magic shapeshifting powers and a funny language. I prefer science fiction stories that push me a little more by giving me aliens who are genuinely alien, and then showing me the connection.

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Reply #11 on: October 01, 2012, 03:13:34 PM
I will agree with Cutter McKay, though.  Although I didn't notice it here because the Paul Tan was not the main character, I am depressed by stories set in the future where human homosexuals still face the same issues and discrimantion that they do today.  We're moving towards acceptance now, and I don't want to contemplate a future where we don't get over it or actually go backwards.  I am not bothered by the aliens having that bias though.

I don't recall Paul Tan facing discrimination from his own people. He was expelled from She Shalu because he broke the unwritten "no male-on-male sex" rule, but was he discriminated against by humanity? I don't seem to recall that in the story. Did I miss it?

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Reply #12 on: October 01, 2012, 03:43:32 PM
I agree with InfiniteMonkey that this wasn't one of "those" stories, because it poked a finger in the eye of human hypocrisy. It highlighted the very human habit of understanding the special circumstances of your own situation, but then turning around and judging your neighbour harshly for the same offenses. I see it happen around me all the time. I am sure I'm guilty of the same thing just as often. So, it was nice to see that as the main theme of this story.

That said, I was disappointed by the story. Not because it was particularly flawed in some way. I just felt a bit cheated by the promise of the beginning.... I wanted to hear the story of a human experiencing personal growth by learning about alien ways. Instead, I got human enlightens aliens with his human awesomeness. 



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Reply #13 on: October 01, 2012, 04:30:06 PM
My biggest problem was that they were star trek aliens, humans in alien drag.

I like this analogy.  And, yes, I do enjoy aliens that really are alien.


Anyhoo.


As mentioned multiple times above, the story seems familiar.  Probably because it's one of those classic themes.

It highlighted the very human habit of understanding the special circumstances of your own situation, but then turning around and judging your neighbour harshly for the same offenses.

See also Parable of the Unforgiving Servant

I also expected Paul Tan to achieve the impossible.  Would have like the story to have followed that direction out a bit more.  But in the end, I really enjoyed listening to this one and didn't necessarily feel preached to.




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Reply #14 on: October 01, 2012, 09:31:57 PM
I don't recall Paul Tan facing discrimination from his own people. He was expelled from She Shalu because he broke the unwritten "no male-on-male sex" rule, but was he discriminated against by humanity? I don't seem to recall that in the story. Did I miss it?

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And I realized that that’s how I had been, or at least how I longed to be at one point in my past. Ashamed of myself, of being gay, wanting to be what others wanted me to be, wanting to fulfill people’s expectations, molding myself into those different shapes.

It isn't overtly stated, but the implications are there, which is what bothered me. This:
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“And then in my relationships it was the same. I transformed myself with each one. Becoming the button-down professional with one of my exes, the outdoorsman with another, the caregiver with yet another. I’ve been adept at shifting myself, mentally if not physically, and that scared me.”
Is just as easily experienced without the implications that he had to suffer through the same discrimination as gays face in our society today. This constant personal transformation is experienced by all members of our society no matter their sexual orientation. It's human nature to act differently around different people. I really like what the author is saying here. I just think it would be much stronger if he related to people in general, not just homosexuals.

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Reply #15 on: October 01, 2012, 10:04:21 PM
Is just as easily experienced without the implications that he had to suffer through the same discrimination as gays face in our society today. This constant personal transformation is experienced by all members of our society no matter their sexual orientation.
Perhaps the hint of homophobia in the future world is there to give Paul something that he can't change to fit. Like: I was able to shapeshift for love/affection (to fit what my significant other wanted me to be), but I wasn't able to shapeshift merely to fit in with society.



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Reply #16 on: October 01, 2012, 11:11:07 PM
I liked the shape-shifting ideas.  The idea the that the practice took zen-like martial-art practice was fun enough.  Imagining cuttlefish aliens changing their shapes and colors was pretty cool.

To me, the story ended up being about hypocrisy.  At first, they are all enlightened mystical shape-shifters, but when push comes to shove, they toss the homos under the bus to avoid conflict.  The morality message seemed a bit heavy-handed. 

Or, perhaps it's a realistic meditation on the nature of relationships/memberships where at first we all put our "best foot forward", then things "work well for a while", then "things get messy", then you sometimes eventually leave and "move beyond"?




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Reply #17 on: October 05, 2012, 05:56:06 AM
I agree with Sara_pdx, if I understand her comment correctly. Let me just elaborate a bit by saying that I was not put off by the idea of aliens as allegorical, in a sense. In fact, forgive me, but I can't help wondering if those who object to the aliens as not being alien enough, and just being stand-ins for humans, were subconsciously rebelling against the subject matter. That is: if the subject had been race relations, would folks have complained equally that the aliens were just humans in disguise? Maybe, as some describe them as Star Trek aliens, and we all know what that means, but maybe not.

On the other hand, I was turned off by the preachy ending. I got the allegory just fine; I resented the author beating me over the head with the message.



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Reply #18 on: October 05, 2012, 11:01:20 AM
I can't help wondering if those who object to the aliens as not being alien enough, and just being stand-ins for humans, were subconsciously rebelling against the subject matter. That is: if the subject had been race relations, would folks have complained equally that the aliens were just humans in disguise? Maybe, as some describe them as Star Trek aliens, and we all know what that means, but maybe not.

You raise an interesting point, and this argument would have been stronger if the story had exclusively shown the aliens to be the ones engaging in taboo sexual practices.  If anyone takes issue with the subject matter, there's no need to envision the aliens as humans in disguise.  We have a perfectly good human living outside societies norms written into the story.

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Reply #19 on: October 05, 2012, 05:53:03 PM
I find it hard to believe that a species of space shifters would have so strong taboo against homosexuality. One would imagine that the physicality would be considerable less important than for humans.


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Reply #20 on: October 05, 2012, 06:39:50 PM
I really loved this story for about the first four-fifths of it, and then liked the rest okay. Similar to others, I do wish that the "relationship" aspect had remained a side plot, with Paul's increasing appreciation for the path of study continuing to be the main story arc. I would have loved to see him meditate in the river and try to convince himself that maybe he could change his shape after all.

I did want to mention that I found Paul's revelation about having shifted for each of his previous relationships and his subsequent difficulty in finding his true shape to be particularly affecting. That was a truly poignant moment.


I find it hard to believe that a species of space shifters would have so strong taboo against homosexuality. One would imagine that the physicality would be considerable less important than for humans.

My impression was that the aliens were objecting to cross-species mating, not homosexuality. (i.e. had either Paul or the alien been female, it would still have been an issue) Though of course this had become a stand-in by that point of the story.



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Reply #21 on: October 05, 2012, 08:12:22 PM

I find it hard to believe that a species of space shifters would have so strong taboo against homosexuality. One would imagine that the physicality would be considerable less important than for humans.

My impression was that the aliens were objecting to cross-species mating, not homosexuality. (i.e. had either Paul or the alien been female, it would still have been an issue) Though of course this had become a stand-in by that point of the story.

While I agree with you about the problem at the end, it was quite clear to me earlier in the story that they DO have a strong taboo about homosexuality. But I'm also not sure it's fair to call them "a species of shape shifters" (that was what you meant tpi, right?) They are a race *capable* of shape shifting, but it's clear it is a special discipline, not something everyone does.



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Reply #22 on: October 06, 2012, 04:56:19 AM

I find it hard to believe that a species of space shifters would have so strong taboo against homosexuality. One would imagine that the physicality would be considerable less important than for humans.

My impression was that the aliens were objecting to cross-species mating, not homosexuality. (i.e. had either Paul or the alien been female, it would still have been an issue) Though of course this had become a stand-in by that point of the story.

While I agree with you about the problem at the end, it was quite clear to me earlier in the story that they DO have a strong taboo about homosexuality. But I'm also not sure it's fair to call them "a species of shape shifters" (that was what you meant tpi, right?) They are a race *capable* of shape shifting, but it's clear it is a special discipline, not something everyone does.

My memory agrees that not all of the aliens shift shapes, so it's quite possible that I misinterpreted their feelings about homosexuality. However, didn't Paul's alien helper admit that it was practiced anyway?



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Reply #23 on: October 06, 2012, 05:49:43 AM

I find it hard to believe that a species of space shifters would have so strong taboo against homosexuality. One would imagine that the physicality would be considerable less important than for humans.

My impression was that the aliens were objecting to cross-species mating, not homosexuality. (i.e. had either Paul or the alien been female, it would still have been an issue) Though of course this had become a stand-in by that point of the story.

While I agree with you about the problem at the end, it was quite clear to me earlier in the story that they DO have a strong taboo about homosexuality. But I'm also not sure it's fair to call them "a species of shape shifters" (that was what you meant tpi, right?) They are a race *capable* of shape shifting, but it's clear it is a special discipline, not something everyone does.

My memory agrees that not all of the aliens shift shapes, so it's quite possible that I misinterpreted their feelings about homosexuality. However, didn't Paul's alien helper admit that it was practiced anyway?

It's been practiced anyway on this planet for the last couple thousand years too....



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Reply #24 on: October 06, 2012, 07:11:13 AM
Given that homosexual behavior has been observed in animals that split off from humans well before we were even primates (or even mammals), I'd say it's been a lot longer than a couple thousand years...



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Reply #25 on: October 06, 2012, 10:40:58 AM
Given that homosexual behavior has been observed in animals that split off from humans well before we were even primates (or even mammals)...

I was going to say something clever about sending the uber-religious Conservatives in the US off to persecute those animals instead of other humans, but then I remembered that they don't believe in evolution either, so they've got a convenient blind spot.

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Reply #26 on: October 08, 2012, 08:45:21 PM
Well, I enjoyed that. It had pace and character of a good story, and even the breaking down of the story in parts that mimic the method of the shape-shifters helped.

My comment would be about the focus on the individual; I would generally question if it is possible to change society just by change the individual, which puts me in the awkward position of disagreeing with the quote by Gandhi - Oops! But seriously, I would like to know what Domo does next. Does he go and try to find peace and fulfilment outside the temple by hiding within society, or does he try to change intolerant society? A good story like this could do with a bit more... closure.

Apart from that, I liked it very much.



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Reply #27 on: October 08, 2012, 09:42:27 PM
This story was a little too 'on the nose' for me. I found myself being much more interested in the alien biology (cephalopods are one of my favorite terrestrial groups) than the alien politics. I could accept the fact that an alien culture (even one with a shapeshifting subculture) would have taboos against same sex relations, but 'it is not biologically viable' just wasn't an acceptable explanation for me. In a story that put so much emphasis on what seemed to be an alien mystic cult, 'because science' seemed a clunky and insufficient way to explain that taboo and didn't actually give us any insight into the alien culture. Because we didn't get any real explanation from the alien side of things, there wasn't much left to elevate the story beyond a palette swap of human intolerance and so it fell rather flat for me. Normally I love Rajan Khanna's work and sci-fi and politics can be two great tastes that taste great together, but I think the ratio for this story was a bit off.



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Reply #28 on: October 10, 2012, 01:51:47 PM

I find it hard to believe that a species of space shifters would have so strong taboo against homosexuality. One would imagine that the physicality would be considerable less important than for humans.

My impression was that the aliens were objecting to cross-species mating, not homosexuality. (i.e. had either Paul or the alien been female, it would still have been an issue) Though of course this had become a stand-in by that point of the story.

While I agree with you about the problem at the end, it was quite clear to me earlier in the story that they DO have a strong taboo about homosexuality. But I'm also not sure it's fair to call them "a species of shape shifters" (that was what you meant tpi, right?) They are a race *capable* of shape shifting, but it's clear it is a special discipline, not something everyone does.

My memory agrees that not all of the aliens shift shapes, so it's quite possible that I misinterpreted their feelings about homosexuality. However, didn't Paul's alien helper admit that it was practiced anyway?

He said it was practiced within the monastery (or whatever), and that the taboo was much, much stronger on the outside. Very strictly banned.



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Reply #29 on: November 01, 2012, 04:44:31 PM
I liked this one well enough.  I liked the shapeshifting aliens, and the description of the religious practice they did to do what they do.  I particularly liked when the main character had the revelation that he has shifted himself around different people, which is a human trait I was aware of but the way it was conveyed made it a very interesting metaphor.

I don't find it implausible that the aliens have taboos against homosexuality.

I don't find it implausible that humans do either.  American culture and some other cultures are moving towards being more accepting of homosexuality, but I don't think that's true globally for all cultures.  Also acceptance of any given thing can come and go.  As cultures and religions and social mores morph over the centuries, it's possible that things we accept now will be less accepted later.  I would rather that homosexuality be accepted as just another trait of a person, but just because I'd prefer that doesn't make it true.  And not all SF has to be based on predicting a plausible future, but rather it is just a form that allows us to loosen the bonds of reality and explore concepts and themes without the limitation.



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Reply #30 on: November 03, 2012, 09:34:34 PM
I guess my main reaction was, "Ew, gross alien sex"




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Reply #31 on: November 11, 2012, 09:26:06 PM
Late to the party... because for some odd reason this episode didn't automatically download, so I was unaware of this story until I heard the podcast in which this one was reviewed.

Whatever the merits/flaws of the story, can I just say I find it a GOOD thing when gay characters are depicted; and are described in the same human terms as any other human.

To all the critics replying above who were annoyed by the "homosexual agenda" I can only say - too freakin' bad.  I've lived with invisibility for so long that it is an amazing breath of fresh air to have a story that reflects MY experience.  Too preachy for you?  Too freakin' bad.  This story describes too many of my decades with breathtaking emotional accuracy.  Want to know what it's like to have NO reflection of yourself in any mirror held up to humanity?  That everyone else's song gets sung but never yours?  And you're annoyed that we got a mention?  Too freakin' bad.

Sure, I get the whole aliens weren't alien enough, was this really the right metaphor... but ya know - I'm grateful for the acknowledgment.

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Reply #32 on: December 17, 2012, 06:16:53 PM
Like everyone else said, this was an allegory, and not only that, it was allegory upon hamfisted allegory. I too was a little disappointed at first that it wasn't about Paul Tan achieving shape-shifting.
I would say on the whole, the story was about shifting one's perspective. I knew Damo would be resistant to change, and the irony that while he worked stretched his body, he couldn't stretch his mind to see another POV. His attempt shapeshift to a new perspective after discovering Paul Tan's with the other Synan was pretty poignant.

However, I was also disappointed in Paul Tan, but not for the reasons everyone else has mentioned. I was quite touched at how the teachings of Wan She was influencing him--particularly him talking about changing himself to fit what he thought his partners wanted. I really wanted him to find that base identity for himself. However, when he was caught with the other Synan, I found myself sympathizing with Damo, not him.

For the most part, Damo has this thing against the "aliens" (humans) who only seem curious about Synan because of their shape-shifting nature. This can be easily seen through other ethnic cultures, flocking to Japan, for instance, because you're only interested in the "anime culture" and not seeing Japanese as a whole unique culture in itself. Apparently, Damo has had enough dealings with humans to be suspicious of their motives--after all, he did lose his lover to them (and I find it interesting that the lover wound up on earth working in a brothel). The reasons Damo brought up to Paul, to me, were quite valid, "You humans are only titillated by what we are...He can change himself to fit your idea. What can you do for him?"

Paul Tan's reasons on the other hand felt false to me. "But I love him!" Really? That's all? At the risk of calling myself a prude, here he is at a religious temple, where students are learning Wan She, and he hopped into bed with the Synan after only two weeks. Two weeks! Really? The least he could have done was lock the damn door! (But then again, I can't remember if this was a place where they felt no need to lock the doors, or if it was actually the Synan who came onto Paul Tan. Who knows.) Paul Tan came across to me as a guy who only lives through his emotions. He has no consideration for his environment or for others.
I especially felt that when Damo goes to the other Synan and asked if he loved Paul, and the Synan responded, "I was starting to..." not, "I did love him." which told me that the Synan was more attracted by the ideas Paul brought up, not Paul himself. If this affair had been allowed to continue on, I get the feeling the Synan would lose interest, and Paul, too caught up in his emotions, would be heartbroken. Paul, in effect, appeared to be repeating the same mistake that he did his previous lover.

I think if Paul have been seriously committed to learning Wan She, even to the point of holding off on relationships to work on himself, He and Damo would have grown quite close--I think, even to the point where Damo would indeed be open to interspecies relationships. As the story pointed out, such things take time. But Paul Tan was only interested in his own needs and couldn't look outside himself; Damo tried, but he couldn't maintain it. A lose/lose situation for all.

Dang. This story struck me in ways I couldn't imagine. I actually relistened to it, but this time from a secular/Christian perspective, and found it worked just as well for an allegory of seeing ancient teachings with new eyes and applying those principles to change the world, or at least change rigid thinking, one person at a time. I don't think I like this story, but spiritually, it really affected me.

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Reply #33 on: February 15, 2013, 09:45:02 PM
I had high hopes for this one, especially with the thought of Norm trying to shapeshift into a megalodon. I've really liked Rajan's other stories. But once I made the determination that this is was going to be a Very Special Episode I just skipped it. There wasn't quite enough in addition to the message to keep me engaged, and I didn't feel like a sermon this morning on my way to work.

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Reply #34 on: February 15, 2013, 11:38:21 PM
Call me unimaginative, just don't call me late for dinner, but the combination of sex and shape-shifting made this seem like unauthorized Dune face dancer porn.



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Reply #35 on: March 29, 2013, 10:24:53 PM
I seem to say things like aliens that aren't particularly alien don't bother me very much, and perhaps I need to think about that more often, perhaps it should. I don't feel like it detracted from this story, I admit I was more interested in shape-shifting water-aliens than there homophobia and its taboos. I find myself agreeing that his leaving so quickly and in many ways so easily at the end felt very "happy ending," in a way that seems at odds with the plodding life-long learning that the entire alien religious sect was built on.  I can't help but find the idea interesting as transformations are a huge a weakness of mine, I really love them, in many ways I prefer the physical variety to the mental/spiritual variety, maybe that arises from the latter often being kind of "so there."