Author Topic: EP Review: Children of Men  (Read 25465 times)

SFEley

  • Hipparch
  • ******
  • Posts: 1408
    • Escape Artists, Inc.
on: January 17, 2007, 03:21:21 AM
EP Review: Children of Men


A film by Alfonso CuarĂ³n.


Reviewed by "Eva," Ramona Broussard, and Jonathon Sullivan.


Download the Escape Pod Review.

ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine


Bdoomed

  • Pseudopod Tiger
  • Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 5891
  • Mmm. Tiger.
Reply #1 on: January 17, 2007, 04:57:10 AM
gotta say, watchin the movie i was both horrified, entertained, exhilerated, and impressed at the same time.  That movie was a great one, so much in it!

i recommend this movie to anyone, just... be prepared!

I'd like to hear my options, so I could weigh them, what do you say?
Five pounds?  Six pounds? Seven pounds?


wakela

  • Hipparch
  • ******
  • Posts: 779
    • Mr. Wake
Reply #2 on: January 18, 2007, 09:35:09 AM
I thought the guy reviewer (sorry I forgot his name) spent a little too much time on reviewing the current state of the world rather than the movie...



Ryuujin

  • Guest
Reply #3 on: January 22, 2007, 12:02:07 PM
I would have to agree with Wakala, in some respects.

But fact of the matter is that we are almost always forced to look at our own world compared to that of fiction to discuss it - and if there's one thing this movie invites to, it's doing exactly that. That's part of what makes this story so good.



wakela

  • Hipparch
  • ******
  • Posts: 779
    • Mr. Wake
Reply #4 on: January 22, 2007, 12:28:34 PM
Yeah, I haven't seen the movie, so my point is not very defendable. 

Also, I strongly disagree with the reviewer's comment that we are just one market crash away form the nightmare world the movie is supposedly set in, which is just my personal thing.  Probably if he said something that I happened to agree with I wouldn't have commented.



Bdoomed

  • Pseudopod Tiger
  • Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 5891
  • Mmm. Tiger.
Reply #5 on: January 23, 2007, 05:49:14 AM
Yeah, I haven't seen the movie, so my point is not very defendable. 

Also, I strongly disagree with the reviewer's comment that we are just one market crash away form the nightmare world the movie is supposedly set in, which is just my personal thing.  Probably if he said something that I happened to agree with I wouldn't have commented.
if you saw the movie you'd agree with him... the movie is completely believeable.  not so much the infertility, but more the condition of the world.  its very believeable.  scarlily so.

I'd like to hear my options, so I could weigh them, what do you say?
Five pounds?  Six pounds? Seven pounds?


Alasdair5000

  • Editor
  • *****
  • Posts: 1022
    • My blog
Reply #6 on: January 23, 2007, 01:02:37 PM
Yeah, I haven't seen the movie, so my point is not very defendable. 

Also, I strongly disagree with the reviewer's comment that we are just one market crash away form the nightmare world the movie is supposedly set in, which is just my personal thing.  Probably if he said something that I happened to agree with I wouldn't have commented.
if you saw the movie you'd agree with him... the movie is completely believeable.  not so much the infertility, but more the condition of the world.  its very believeable.  scarlily so.
   Oh absolutely.  That's what I really liked about it, the almost banal, gradual way that the world was winding down.  The trains still run on time, there's just bars on the windows now, that sort of thing.  Tremendous movie, colossally depressing and uplifting at the same time and final conclusive proof that Clive Owen is one of the most interesting leading men in Hollywood today.



Ananzi

  • Extern
  • *
  • Posts: 12
Reply #7 on: January 26, 2007, 09:03:11 AM
I thought it was interesting that none of the reviewers mentions the Abu Ghraib inspired scenes in the prison camp.



Ramona

  • Extern
  • *
  • Posts: 4
Reply #8 on: January 26, 2007, 04:10:10 PM
I thought it was interesting that none of the reviewers mentions the Abu Ghraib inspired scenes in the prison camp.

I think for me it was hard to fit in everything I wanted to say in under 1000 words.  I also didn't know what the other reviewers would be saying, so I didn't want to get too scattered.  I was hoping you guys on the forums would point out any holes.

Christian allegory was another thing I was sort of hoping would come out on the comments page.  (I don't think it was an allegory.)  There was a lot of depth to this movie, so it was hard to review in that sense.



Paul Campbell

  • Extern
  • *
  • Posts: 12
    • Cossmass Productions
Reply #9 on: January 27, 2007, 08:10:08 PM
I didn't know much about this film before I went to see it when it came out here in the UK back in August.  It was a near-future story by crime writer P.D. James where everyone had become infertile.  I was interested to see how James had done in SF.

From the moment the camera follows Theo out of the crowded coffee shop and we got a glimpse of the grimy streets of London I was happy.  I admit that to that point I'd only been impressed by the special effects. But I think it was more than that.  The set dressing that had been done on that street helped to set the tone and revealed a very high quality of production.  From there it just got better.

There were a lot of elements in the background of virtually every shot that revealed, or suggested, at the detail of this future.  Definitely worth re-watching on DVD.  Which I, coincidentally, bought less than an hour ago.

Paul W. Campbell
* IM - AIM: kemitix / MSN: paul@paulwcampbell.com / Yahoo: kemitixii
** Coming June 1st from Cossmass Productions:
** Estalvin's Legacy - Episode 1 (http://estalvinslegacy.info/)
** Promo: http://cossmass.co.uk/series/estalvinslegacy/promo1


RA

  • Extern
  • *
  • Posts: 1
Reply #10 on: February 03, 2007, 11:51:04 PM
Coming from Britain, I saw a lot of quiet humour in the film, mixed with a truly scary projection of current trends.



Thaurismunths

  • High Priest of TCoRN
  • Hipparch
  • ******
  • Posts: 1421
  • Praise N-sh, for it is right and good!
Reply #11 on: February 04, 2007, 08:53:36 PM
Yes, yes, that's all very good. But what's with the burning cows?? ; )

How do you fight a bully that can un-make history?


fiveyearwinter

  • Peltast
  • ***
  • Posts: 135
Reply #12 on: February 07, 2007, 01:26:38 PM
This movie was extremely tough. England is bleak as IS (no offense to our British friends out there!), but this was almost too much. I just kept thinking about how I wouldn't want to live in a society like this.

Despite the horrible poverty and totalitarian rule, the movie offered quite a bit of hope. I found myself holding my breath for part of it, and tears filling my eyes at another. Quite the rollercoaster.



Thaurismunths

  • High Priest of TCoRN
  • Hipparch
  • ******
  • Posts: 1421
  • Praise N-sh, for it is right and good!
Reply #13 on: February 07, 2007, 02:55:21 PM
This movie was extremely tough. England is bleak as IS (no offense to our British friends out there!), but this was almost too much. I just kept thinking about how I wouldn't want to live in a society like this.

Bexhill reminded me (and I'm sure it was intentional) of both Nazi Germany and what I saw of Baghdad.

How do you fight a bully that can un-make history?


fiveyearwinter

  • Peltast
  • ***
  • Posts: 135
Reply #14 on: February 07, 2007, 03:47:56 PM
The only movie I've seen that was LESS obvious about the parallels was V for Vendetta (which I didn't care for all that much, surprisingly).



Paul Campbell

  • Extern
  • *
  • Posts: 12
    • Cossmass Productions
Reply #15 on: February 22, 2007, 12:22:48 PM
Yes, yes, that's all very good. But what's with the burning cows?? ; )

I recent years we have had scares involving CJD, Mad Cow Disease.  The containment measures include culls of all nearby livestock.  In CoM I took it to be an indicator that similar such outbreaks were still happening.

Paul W. Campbell
* IM - AIM: kemitix / MSN: paul@paulwcampbell.com / Yahoo: kemitixii
** Coming June 1st from Cossmass Productions:
** Estalvin's Legacy - Episode 1 (http://estalvinslegacy.info/)
** Promo: http://cossmass.co.uk/series/estalvinslegacy/promo1


Thaurismunths

  • High Priest of TCoRN
  • Hipparch
  • ******
  • Posts: 1421
  • Praise N-sh, for it is right and good!
Reply #16 on: February 22, 2007, 12:48:39 PM
Yes, yes, that's all very good. But what's with the burning cows?? ; )

I recent years we have had scares involving CJD, Mad Cow Disease.  The containment measures include culls of all nearby livestock.  In CoM I took it to be an indicator that similar such outbreaks were still happening.

That's a pretty viable option.
My thoughts were that the population was shrinking, so they had to cull the herds.

How do you fight a bully that can un-make history?


Russell Nash

  • Guest
Reply #17 on: February 22, 2007, 07:27:29 PM
Yes, yes, that's all very good. But what's with the burning cows?? ; )

I recent years we have had scares involving CJD, Mad Cow Disease.  The containment measures include culls of all nearby livestock.  In CoM I took it to be an indicator that similar such outbreaks were still happening.

That's a pretty viable option.
My thoughts were that the population was shrinking, so they had to cull the herds.

 ;D ;D  I didn't see the movie. When he asked about the cows, I thought it was a Monty Pythonesque joke.



Jim

  • HP Lovecraft's 275,892nd biggest fan.
  • Matross
  • ****
  • Posts: 191
Reply #18 on: March 06, 2007, 04:28:26 PM
If you haven't seen the movie and you're a SF fan of nearly any stripe, I think you should try to see it.

It's incredibly thought-provoking. I saw it at the cinema months ago and I still find myself musing about the implications of its premise.

My imaginary omnipotent friend is more real that your imaginary omnipotent friend.


Unblinking

  • Sir Postsalot
  • Hipparch
  • ******
  • Posts: 8729
    • Diabolical Plots
Reply #19 on: October 18, 2010, 02:12:20 PM
This was a great movie.  For the first half I was mostly just along for the ride, not really involved, though the story was being told well and had strong characters and a strong setting.


The part where I really got involved was:
SPOILER (HIGHLIGHT TO SHOW):


1.  When they're riding on the train, and one of the characters is dragged off, and has a bag put over her head, and she drops out of sight as the train pulls away.  I think she may have been executed on the spot, but I may be misremembering, if not it's pretty clear she won't be alive much longer)  None of the other characters say a word or move to act because doing so would just doom them along with her.  That scared the hell out of me.

2.  After that I was really engaged, but the most amazing scene came later, one which left me with chills in a way that movies rarely do.  When they're in the middle of the war zone and the baby starts crying, and the fighting just stops.  The sound of a baby crying is so foreign and wondrous that it literally stops the fighting in its tracks and both sides just stare in awe as the baby is carried through.  No matter which side you were on, hope is enough for you to abandon your orders, however momentarily, to help hope along its way.  Wow.




yicheng

  • Matross
  • ****
  • Posts: 221
Reply #20 on: October 26, 2010, 04:54:02 PM
This was a great movie.  For the first half I was mostly just along for the ride, not really involved, though the story was being told well and had strong characters and a strong setting.


The part where I really got involved was:
SPOILER (HIGHLIGHT TO SHOW):


1.  When they're riding on the train, and one of the characters is dragged off, and has a bag put over her head, and she drops out of sight as the train pulls away.  I think she may have been executed on the spot, but I may be misremembering, if not it's pretty clear she won't be alive much longer)  None of the other characters say a word or move to act because doing so would just doom them along with her.  That scared the hell out of me.

2.  After that I was really engaged, but the most amazing scene came later, one which left me with chills in a way that movies rarely do.  When they're in the middle of the war zone and the baby starts crying, and the fighting just stops.  The sound of a baby crying is so foreign and wondrous that it literally stops the fighting in its tracks and both sides just stare in awe as the baby is carried through.  No matter which side you were on, hope is enough for you to abandon your orders, however momentarily, to help hope along its way.  Wow.




1.  She wasn't executed that we saw, but right after we see the hood put on her, the bus rolls by an area where they're lining up dead bodies (presumably having been summarily executed as terrorists).
2.  I loved that part too!  And how complete strangers would just stop in their tracks, all the while bullets and tank shells and flying through the building.  The clincher was when someone fires a shot from a building, and then immediately the fighting starts up again like it never ended.  I imagine that's what the Christmass Truce of WW1 must have been like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_truce


I loved this movie, too!  Both depressing and hopeful at the same time.  Depressing in that we're just a few 9-11's away from that kind of anarchy and total societal collapse, and hopeful in that the human spirit and basic decency will still survive that and shine through.

And BTW if any nation could survive that, it would be the British. 



wakela

  • Hipparch
  • ******
  • Posts: 779
    • Mr. Wake
Reply #21 on: November 22, 2010, 05:07:44 AM
Yeah, I haven't seen the movie, so my point is not very defendable. 

Also, I strongly disagree with the reviewer's comment that we are just one market crash away form the nightmare world the movie is supposedly set in, which is just my personal thing.  Probably if he said something that I happened to agree with I wouldn't have commented.

[dick]I wrote that almost four years ago.  Since then there is been a market crash, and we are not really any closer to Children of Men style oppression or violence.[/dick]



eytanz

  • Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 6109
Reply #22 on: November 22, 2010, 09:01:02 AM
You know, I've been silent on this thread for quite a while, but I've heard and seen other mentions to this movie.

I feel like the only person who saw the movie and thought that while it was not bad as a movie, it was incredibly stupid and unrealistic in its portrayal of human behavior. It erred both in its pessimism - the behaviors depicted in the movie are plausible and people have done the same and much worse, but not for the type of reasons depicted - and its optimism (esp. the scene in the end where the fighting stops because of the baby).

My main issues with the premise are the following:

- People adapt to new situations far quicker than the movie assumed. If, indeed, all human reproduction would suddenly cease, people would be deeply disturbed for a few days and return to life as usual within a few months.

- If there were no new babies, then population levels would start dropping. There would be less competition for resources, not more. Within a decade, most of the poor parts of the world would be less poor, and there would be less immigration pressure, not more. There would be a problem again in 50-60 years once the population capable of doing physical labor becomes too small to be managable, but at the timepoint depicted by the movie, things would have still been fine.

Since I couldn't buy the premise, I couldn't invest any emotional depth in what was happening. The movie felt to me as silly and artificial as the latter Die Hard movies. Passable entertainment, yes - but why a lot of intelligent people seem to think it shows any level of profundity I have no idea.



Scattercat

  • Caution:
  • Hipparch
  • ******
  • Posts: 4904
  • Amateur wordsmith
    • Mirrorshards
Reply #23 on: November 22, 2010, 09:29:04 AM
Since I couldn't buy the premise, I couldn't invest any emotional depth in what was happening. The movie felt to me as silly and artificial as the latter Die Hard movies. Passable entertainment, yes - but why a lot of intelligent people seem to think it shows any level of profundity I have no idea.

Because it was earnestly trying to be profound, and some people like that.  (When a woman and the Hope of Humanity as personified by a perfect child are adrift in a boat with a man named THEO who may or may not be dead, well, you've got someone trying to be Deep right there.  You got your Eve, you got your virgin birth, you got boats and oceans, you got the future, and you got lots and lots of ways to write wanky ten-page papers at 1 a.m. the night before they're due.)



eytanz

  • Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 6109
Reply #24 on: November 22, 2010, 09:37:57 AM
But I guess that's part of what bothers me - the movie is clearly trying *so hard*. It felt to me like the moviemakers didn't really know how to make a movie that says something, but they really wanted to, so they went ahead and made a movie then put signposts all over the place that said "THIS IS SO DEEP!" and "CAREFUL! SUBTEXT AHEAD!"



Talia

  • Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 2682
  • Muahahahaha
Reply #25 on: November 22, 2010, 02:25:06 PM

- People adapt to new situations far quicker than the movie assumed. If, indeed, all human reproduction would suddenly cease, people would be deeply disturbed for a few days and return to life as usual within a few months.

I must disagree at least with this point. Would not be so easy to "get over" this event,  not with this particular level of catastrophe.

« Last Edit: November 22, 2010, 07:26:41 PM by Talia »



Unblinking

  • Sir Postsalot
  • Hipparch
  • ******
  • Posts: 8729
    • Diabolical Plots
Reply #26 on: November 22, 2010, 07:00:19 PM

- People adapt to new situations far quicker than the movie assumed. If, indeed, all human reproduction would suddenly cease, people would be deeply disturbed for a few days and return to life as usual within a few months.

I must disagree at last with this point. Would not be so easy to "get over" this event,  not with this particular level of catastrophe.



I agree with Talia.  Also, the youngest person on Earth is at the point of the movie, like 18, right?  So, even if it wasn't a big deal back when it originally started, I don't think anyone is going to just behave like nothing is happening.  It doesn't take much reasoning to wonder what will happen when the youngest people are 30, or 40, or 60.



eytanz

  • Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 6109
Reply #27 on: November 22, 2010, 07:29:21 PM

- People adapt to new situations far quicker than the movie assumed. If, indeed, all human reproduction would suddenly cease, people would be deeply disturbed for a few days and return to life as usual within a few months.

I must disagree at last with this point. Would not be so easy to "get over" this event,  not with this particular level of catastrophe.



People have gotten over much worse. I'm not saying that people would be unaffected. They would be. But the effects will be dulled over the years, as people get used to the idea that they will not have children themselves.

The thing about humans is that it is very difficult for us to grasp big events emotionally. Throughout history, the events we attach the most emotional significance to are sudden, violent, and confined to a specific geographic localle (e.g., the attacks on Pearl Harbour or 9/11, the storming of the Bastille, etc.). It is very difficult to grasp the horror of something that is slow, subtle, and takes place over the entire world.

There will be all sort of reactions, sure, but most people will keep it on the personal level - they will be upset that they cannot have children. But society will survive, and mostly unchanged.

Plus - and this is where the movie truly fails - humanity isn't nearly as homogenous as depicted within it. The movie detailed only one emotional reaction - despair - that manifested differently in different people mostly according to their politics. But in the real world there would be plenty of other reactions. There would be conspiracy theorists arguing that this was all done by the Russians or Chinese or Australians and that they really are giving birth in secret on their side of the world. There would be plenty of people - especially the last generaton of kids, growing up - who will take an atittude of "this is great! we're the last people to be using this world! We can do whatever we want with no consequences!" and there will be the people deeply depressed. But things will go on, mostly as they do now.



I agree with Talia.  Also, the youngest person on Earth is at the point of the movie, like 18, right?  So, even if it wasn't a big deal back when it originally started, I don't think anyone is going to just behave like nothing is happening.  It doesn't take much reasoning to wonder what will happen when the youngest people are 30, or 40, or 60.


Sure, some people will wonder. Most people won't care, until it hits them home.

As the grandson of holocaust survivers, knowing what my grandparents went through, I have a lot of faith in humanity's resilience. Knowing how little humanity has learnt from that and from other horrors of history, I have very little faith in humanity's capacity for growth. This movie, as I said above, is both too pessimistic in its depiction of society's collapse, and too optimistic, because it assumes that the collapse is because humanity has the capacity to understand the horror of its own situation.



Talia

  • Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 2682
  • Muahahahaha
Reply #28 on: November 22, 2010, 07:35:56 PM


People have gotten over much worse. .

Um... heh. Since when has something worse than the entire planet going infertile thus guaranteeing the end of the species happened? :P

Maybe I was asleep that day and and missed it? :P



eytanz

  • Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 6109
Reply #29 on: November 22, 2010, 07:44:59 PM


People have gotten over much worse. .

Um... heh. Since when has something worse than the entire planet going infertile thus guaranteeing the end of the species happened? :P

Maybe I was asleep that day and and missed it? :P

The end of the species is already guarunteed. Everything dies. It's just a question of when.

But as I said, if it's not immediate and visible, humans don't react to it very strongly. Lack of babies is exactly that - a lack. And it's a species death that does not offer any immediate discomfort for anyone alive. People will react to it as they do to a stockmarket crash - "Does it affect me? not really, it just affects the society I live in. That's horrible. I'll have to give that serious thought, but right now there's a Cops marathon on TV".




DKT

  • Friendly Neighborhood
  • Hipparch
  • ******
  • Posts: 4980
  • PodCastle is my Co-Pilot
    • Psalms & Hymns & Spiritual Noir
Reply #30 on: November 22, 2010, 08:25:04 PM
Hahaha. Eytan, I'm pretty sure you and me talked about this in some other thread. I remember being really impressed with the movie - in particular the scene that you loathed.

I haven't seen it since then, but I still have pretty fond memories of it. Probably should watch it again at some point...


wakela

  • Hipparch
  • ******
  • Posts: 779
    • Mr. Wake
Reply #31 on: November 23, 2010, 06:49:15 AM
I'm with eytanz.  Maybe they explained it (it was a while ago that I saw the movie), but I never got why everyone was fighting.  Terrorists try to affect change.  What change were these guys hoping for?  I could see people going about their business as best they could.  I could also see people just not showing up for work if they felt they had enough money.  I could also see crime increasing, but the terrorists in the movie seemed organized and somehow politically motivated. 

I think when the baby started crying in the middle of the battle it seemed like people would have tried to take him instead of just watching him go by, but I'd be willing to accept that that was such an unusual situation that we have no idea what people would do.

I also thought it probably would have been a good idea to take the baby and the mother to the government.  The government were clearly oppressive douchebags, but they would not have killed the baby.  They probably would have subjected it and the mother to endless testing, but in this situation, that may not have been a bad thing.  It seemed pretty irresponsible to go out on a boat hoping to be picked up by nice people based entirely on a rumor.

The movie assumed that I would agree with it and not ask any stupid questions when it put forth that people would panic and blow things up and the government would mindlessly crush them, so it didn't bother to justify any of it. 



Unblinking

  • Sir Postsalot
  • Hipparch
  • ******
  • Posts: 8729
    • Diabolical Plots
Reply #32 on: November 29, 2010, 05:34:58 PM
Sure, some people will wonder. Most people won't care, until it hits them home.

I disagree.  Lack of babies is one thing, but by the time of the movie, there are not even any minors.  Grade schools and high schools would have all shut down, as well as playgrounds and daycare, Chuck E. Cheese would be a thing of the past unless they managed to re-envision themselves as adult entertainment, big swaths of the movie and other entertainment industry would disappear when there are no parents of young kids to market to.  People can ignore what's happening in the world if it doesn't affect them, but this would have an obvious and everyday effect on everybody.  Unless someone literally lives as a hermit separated from all people and media, I don't see how this could go ignored.



wakela

  • Hipparch
  • ******
  • Posts: 779
    • Mr. Wake
Reply #33 on: November 30, 2010, 02:27:55 AM
Sure, some people will wonder. Most people won't care, until it hits them home.

I disagree.  Lack of babies is one thing, but by the time of the movie, there are not even any minors.  Grade schools and high schools would have all shut down, as well as playgrounds and daycare, Chuck E. Cheese would be a thing of the past unless they managed to re-envision themselves as adult entertainment, big swaths of the movie and other entertainment industry would disappear when there are no parents of young kids to market to.  People can ignore what's happening in the world if it doesn't affect them, but this would have an obvious and everyday effect on everybody.  Unless someone literally lives as a hermit separated from all people and media, I don't see how this could go ignored.

They'll notice, but what will they do about it?  Why would they blow up a coffee shop because they no longer live in a world with Chuck E. Cheese?
I think there are a lot of interesting ramifications to the premise, but I don't think the ones the movie takes on are logical.



deflective

  • Hipparch
  • ******
  • Posts: 1171
Reply #34 on: November 30, 2010, 04:02:34 AM
the brits are always creating depressing, dystopian futures.  usually there isn't even a reason why society turned out that way.

there's an interesting theory that polygamous societies are more inclined towards radical elements because there is a large number of unattached men with no real hope of finding a mate.  this creates a desperate mindset susceptible to violence, suicide, or violent suicide.  similarly, a world population without a new generation to carry on their beliefs could easily react in any variety of ways.  i'm more likely to believe that a world in this position may react this way than believe it definitely would not.

and it's been a while since i saw the movie but, from what i remember, it was set in the near future when resources were scarce before children stopped being born.  in fact there were pseudo-scientific theories that population pressure triggered some sort of biological population control.  as well, immigration pressure came from people trying to escape general violence in europe.

this movie had its share of flaws, i just didn't see these as being part of them.



Unblinking

  • Sir Postsalot
  • Hipparch
  • ******
  • Posts: 8729
    • Diabolical Plots
Reply #35 on: November 30, 2010, 05:33:01 PM

They'll notice, but what will they do about it?  Why would they blow up a coffee shop because they no longer live in a world with Chuck E. Cheese?
I think there are a lot of interesting ramifications to the premise, but I don't think the ones the movie takes on are logical.


That's a fair point.  I was responding only to the statement that no one would care.  If you do care, it's not clear what CAN be done, since no one knew what caused it.

there's an interesting theory that polygamous societies are more inclined towards radical elements because there is a large number of unattached men with no real hope of finding a mate.  this creates a desperate mindset susceptible to violence, suicide, or violent suicide. 

Inversely, a society where males are likely to die at a young age (by violence or whatever other cause) may be more likely to be polygamous because there are way more women than men.