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Reply #25 on: April 08, 2008, 11:15:09 AM
How can you tell if something is a guy with an RPG or a bush?
A guy with a bush walks into a bar…

One of them is a fanatic with poor impulse control just looking for an excuse to kill every last m*f* on the planet...



...and the other is a guy with an RPG.



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Reply #26 on: April 08, 2008, 11:29:52 AM
I think you're thinking of something way more complicated than we are.
I expect you're picturing a fully automated, semi-independent war machine. We, or at least I, are thinking of something like a land-based predator... for now. I don't think anyone plans on loosing the Big Dogs of war just yet, even though we already have robots in Iraq.
Predators are great for blowing up a single truck on an empty road, or hitting an isolated target.  The bad guys don't even know the predator is there, so it's easy for them.  That's the best kind of fight.  On the other hand, having a remote controlled robot try to engage in a complicated, chaotic, and dynamic environment like urban combat where speed and agression is what wins the day is a whole different story.  I don't think we're there yet.  I don't even think the technology is close to being capable of handling anything like modern combat.

As to target acquisition we aren't as far out as you'd suppose. A friend of mine is one of the leading developers of pattern recognition software. Right now the trouble isn't disseminating between a bad guy with an RPG or a Bush, it's telling if the enemy has the safety on or off.
I know there is a lot of advanced technlogy out there currently under development.  It's not with a damn if it doesn't work in the field though.  The enemy isn't going to sit there and present a nice silhouette.  They are going to be moving, taking cover, hiding, etc.  I think the technology will be there at some point (for good or bad, it's coming), but it's probably going to be used by humans first.  I'm thinking something along the lines of the land warrior system.  To place it in geeky video game terms that I like to speak in, I'm thinking something like Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter with a red diamond around the bad guys.

It's strange we're having this discussion now.  A month or so ago I started writing the first piece of speculative fiction I have ever tried to write.  The theme has to do with technology on the battlefield and I was trying to explore some of the questions we're asking here.  It's tough to write about the effects of technology on war, keep it exciting, but not make the story about the war itself. 

One of them is a fanatic with poor impulse control just looking for an excuse to kill every last m*f* on the planet...
...and the other is a guy with an RPG.
(Thanks, I'll be here all week... hey, by the way: is the RPG D&D?)
Yeah, I probably could have used a few other terms besides "bush" and "RPG" in this forum to get my point across. 

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Reply #27 on: April 08, 2008, 12:05:33 PM
I think you're thinking of something way more complicated than we are.
I expect you're picturing a fully automated, semi-independent war machine. We, or at least I, are thinking of something like a land-based predator... for now. I don't think anyone plans on loosing the Big Dogs of war just yet, even though we already have robots in Iraq.
Predators are great for blowing up a single truck on an empty road, or hitting an isolated target.  The bad guys don't even know the predator is there, so it's easy for them.  That's the best kind of fight.  On the other hand, having a remote controlled robot try to engage in a complicated, chaotic, and dynamic environment like urban combat where speed and agression is what wins the day is a whole different story.  I don't think we're there yet.  I don't even think the technology is close to being capable of handling anything like modern combat.
I think we're agreed on one point: The technology isn't there yet.
Where we disagree is that I say it's <5 years away, you seem to be saying it's >5 years away.

Also, I don't expect robots to be doing door-to-doors or high-paced tactical jobs in the next 10+ years. I expect they'll be doing boarder patrol, ambushes, recon (already are), and full-on thunder runs. Basically where the enemy is in a known location, and their mobility is limited. For instance: Enemy units are in bunkers, trenches, or buildings and their movement is being suppressed with direct and indirect fire. It would be dangerous to send in our troops to route them out as there would be lots of incoming friendly fire, but with Battle-Ready Big Dogs the loss of life would be negated, and they could radio back to fire command with their exact locations and intended actions.

As to target acquisition we aren't as far out as you'd suppose. A friend of mine is one of the leading developers of pattern recognition software. Right now the trouble isn't disseminating between a bad guy with an RPG or a Bush, it's telling if the enemy has the safety on or off.
I know there is a lot of advanced technlogy out there currently under development.  It's not with a damn if it doesn't work in the field though.  The enemy isn't going to sit there and present a nice silhouette.  They are going to be moving, taking cover, hiding, etc.[/quote]
These aren't being taken from shilouettes, these are from video and live footage. Gesture recognition software can pick out targets as they move, and much faster than a human can. A computer only needs a few frames of video to make an accurate decision. As I understand it target recognition isn't the problem, it's target acquisition.

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I think the technology will be there at some point (for good or bad, it's coming), but it's probably going to be used by humans first.  I'm thinking something along the lines of the land warrior system.  To place it in geeky video game terms that I like to speak in, I'm thinking something like Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter with a red diamond around the bad guys.[/i]
You are absolutely right.
The 3D GPS battle fields, drone cameras, and the hand-carried rocket cameras, we already have a perfect view of the whole battle field. Put it all together on a TV screen and look like a video game. All they have to do now is create an adequate heads up display that can be worn in to combat and everyone will be seeing red and blue name tags and little blinking arrows. Maybe they'll even use remote controlled IV drugs to give soldiers a "1UP" when they accomplish a mission?

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Reply #28 on: April 08, 2008, 04:38:12 PM
I personally believe the truly scary robots are the robot restaurants.

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Reply #29 on: April 09, 2008, 09:19:23 AM
Fit them with some 3D maps and GPS and they can be used to deliver equipment (or bombs) in hostile areas.  I think they really only have to up the speed before these guys are combat ready.
Target acquisition would be a major PITA.  How can you tell if something is a guy with an RPG or a bush?  How do you tell it when to stop firing?  How do you prioritize targets?  What if it runs out of gas in the middle of a firefight?  What if its signal is jammed?  It is a LONG way from being combat ready.

Thaur kind of hit my point.  My idea was: Our guys are under heavy fire and running out of ammo (Black Hawk Down scenario), you drop one of these guys with more ammo and it runs in.  The other idea was: the bad guys are in a fortified position, kamikaze run with a pack full of C4.  Nothing elegant.  Elegance requires more development.



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Reply #30 on: April 10, 2008, 10:54:38 AM

One of them is a fanatic with poor impulse control just looking for an excuse to kill every last m*f* on the planet...
...and the other is a guy with an RPG.
(Thanks, I'll be here all week... hey, by the way: is the RPG D&D?)
Yeah, I probably could have used a few other terms besides "bush" and "RPG" in this forum to get my point across. 
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Sorry... it was just right over the plate...  All things considered, I think we both got off easy this time.  :) 

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