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Reply #1450 on: September 13, 2010, 02:45:33 AM
A month ago, started The Oxford Annotated Bible. Need to renew it tomorrow; so far I'm only near the end of Exodus.

I'm curious. Why'd you decide to read that? (if you feel like saying)


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Reply #1451 on: September 13, 2010, 03:29:46 PM
A month ago, started The Oxford Annotated Bible. Need to renew it tomorrow; so far I'm only near the end of Exodus.

I'm curious. Why'd you decide to read that? (if you feel like saying)

1: it will put me one up over most Christians, who seem unaware of what's actually in the book they purport to believe ("The Bible is like those software licenses; most people don't read it-- they just scroll to the bottom and click 'I Agree'.")

2: Many atheists have said that the thing that really cemented their atheism was reading the Bible.

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Reply #1452 on: September 13, 2010, 03:55:46 PM
I'm reading The Dreaming Void by Peter F Hamilton. I've read rather mixed reviews of it so far, but I've been really enjoying it (I'm about halfway in the 600 page novel, which is the first of a trilogy).

I also still owe this forum a review of Mieville's Kraken (I promised DKT over PM a while ago), which I hope to write soon. If anyone is planning to pick it up and isn't sure if they'll like it, feel free to ask and I'll try to speed up.



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Reply #1453 on: September 14, 2010, 02:45:08 AM
1: it will put me one up over most Christians, who seem unaware of what's actually in the book they purport to believe ("The Bible is like those software licenses; most people don't read it-- they just scroll to the bottom and click 'I Agree'.")

True.

2: Many atheists have said that the thing that really cemented their atheism was reading the Bible.

Interesting. Would love to know what conclusions you draw.


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Reply #1454 on: September 15, 2010, 08:22:23 AM
Finally finished Walter de la Mare's THE RETURN (1910) and wrote a review nearly as long as the book (http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/38778101).

Not much horror up next (SEXUALITY AND MASQUERADE: THE DEDALUS BOOK OF SEXUAL AMBIGUITY anthology) but will be buzzing through DARK ENTRIES, which is the first time I've read some John Constantine in about 17 years.



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Reply #1455 on: September 15, 2010, 04:34:12 PM
1: it will put me one up over most Christians, who seem unaware of what's actually in the book they purport to believe ("The Bible is like those software licenses; most people don't read it-- they just scroll to the bottom and click 'I Agree'."

Tell that to five years of Bible class.  Oi.  (I think we skipped over the genealogy, too, though.)



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Reply #1456 on: September 15, 2010, 08:55:15 PM
I also still owe this forum a review of Mieville's Kraken (I promised DKT over PM a while ago), which I hope to write soon. If anyone is planning to pick it up and isn't sure if they'll like it, feel free to ask and I'll try to speed up.

I recently finished Kraken. It left me unmoved. But I would really love to hear someone else's opinions.



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Reply #1457 on: September 15, 2010, 09:45:50 PM
I recently finished Kraken. It left me unmoved. But I would really love to hear someone else's opinions.

Ok, well - I decided I just won't find the time for a proper review, but here are a few thoughts:

It's quite entertaining, but no more than that. It's definitely not Mieville's strongest book. It follows a pretty standard formula of a hapless individual suddenly sucked into events beyond his understanding, and discovered that the world is a lot weirder than he thought.

The problem is that the actual events that happen, while individually cool, seem to be mostly a random series of events. There is an overall plot, but it boils down to "there are a lot of different groups fighting, and it's not clear who is good and who is bad", which gives an excuse for a lot of chaos. And there is a whole sequence where every chapter or two involves the introduction of a new enemy that is The Baddest Thing Ever, only for said enemy to be easily dispatched when it's time for the next Even Badder threat to show up.

Also, there is a whole lot of lip service paid to the fact that this takes place in London, but to be honest, I didn't feel like any of the events had anything to do with London itself at all. Sure, there's a group of Londonmancers, but they could just have easily been called Praguemancers or New-Yorkmancers. This story could have happened at any large city.

I guess this tendency for chaotic overcrowded plots is a feature of much of Mieville's writing (The City & The City being a notable exception), but normally the plot itself is more original and exciting. Here, it's a relatively run-of-the-mill "a secret magic underworld hidden in the real world" story, and while it can be very entertaining, it doesn't have that much to say.



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Reply #1458 on: September 16, 2010, 04:19:56 AM
Eytanz's review pretty much sums up how I feel about "Kraken".  I kept feeling like I wasn't keeping up and was missing stuff, but I think it was the book instead of me.  Chaotic is a great description.



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Reply #1459 on: September 16, 2010, 04:38:55 AM
Eytanz's review pretty much sums up how I feel about "Kraken".  I kept feeling like I wasn't keeping up and was missing stuff, but I think it was the book instead of me.  Chaotic is a great description.

Yes, I also felt like I was missing stuff. What surprised me though, was that I didn't really care... Kinda disappointing in a book.



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Reply #1460 on: September 16, 2010, 08:35:16 PM
Still in Teh Wholly Babble, skipped (skimmed) several chapters of Leviticus detailing specific procedures for various animal sacrifices. Sheesh, and I thought John Galt's speech in Atlas Shrugged was dreary.

Oh, and apparently I was looking for a quote by Isaac Asimov: "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
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Reply #1461 on: September 17, 2010, 02:42:31 AM
Up through Book 9 of "Ex Machina."  Damned good series so far, although the "pose people and draw them" art style is a bit too pronounced for my tastes.  The characters always LOOK like people frozen in a pose instead of people in motion.

Also finished up Astro City's "Dark Ages" series, which was schmaltzy but good, as ever.  And am now angry as all hell at Aaron Williams for giving me that first issue of "North 40" at GenCon when he KNEW it was still being written and thus would leave me waiting weeks at a time.



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Reply #1462 on: September 17, 2010, 02:57:31 AM
Oh, man. I heart Ex Machina so so much. What a cool story and a great concept. Maybe not as great as Y the Last Man, but I still have such a good time reading it when a new one comes out. I'm going to be sad when #10 arrives  :'(


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Reply #1463 on: September 17, 2010, 03:02:33 AM
I am exceedingly choosy about my graphic novels.  "Ex Machina" is only about the third or fourth one I've ever bought as a series. 



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Reply #1464 on: October 01, 2010, 12:17:04 AM
I finished reading "Odd Thomas" by Dean Koontz yesterday and I really, really liked it.  Today, I got an e-mail saying that I won a copy of his newest novel, "What the Night Knows", through GoodReads.  It's really a strange coincidence.

I also recently read "Her Fearful Symmetry" by Audrey Niffenegger.  The reviews of it have been kind of lukewarm, especially from people who loved "The Time Traveler's Wife".  Even though it was completely implausible and more than a bit creepy, I really liked it.  There really was no good reason for me to like it.  The characters were weird, the situation was weird, and nobody seemed to have a lick of common sense, but I still enjoyed the journey.  I think the author's ability to create characters that seem real even when they're implausible and her ability to vividly create a setting made the book for me.

I also (finally) finished "The Stand" by Stephen King.  I know it's very popular, but I found it to be kind of an average book.  King is a great story teller, but he needs an editor to stand up to him.  I read the newer, expanded version in which he updated some of the cultural references, but that made it kind of odd because some of it seemed very Seventies and some of it seemed very late-Eighties.  I'm not saying I didn't like it.  It did keep me turning the pages and I enjoyed the ride, even when my critical mind was being critical.

I'm now reading "Anathem" by Neal Stephenson and "Fragment" by Warren Fahy.  I'm listening to "The Way of Kings" by Brandon Sanderson.



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Reply #1465 on: October 01, 2010, 12:47:09 AM
Just got back from a very nice vacation. Decided to do the iPhone Kindle thing instead of lugging a bunch of hardbacks around. I still have mixed feelings about the paperwork thing but boy it sure was convenient!
I polished off "City and the City" Way more enjoyable than "Perdido Street". Still a bit more, errrr, sideways of a persepctive than I am used to but incredibly neat. Except for the fact thatmy brain kept trying to shove the City into a neat geographical place IRL. Bad brain.
Also finished Zero History. Required far more recent memory of Gibson's last few works than I have currently. Mustfind time for larger reread. Gibsony but seeming to retread a lot of old themes. Miss the Neuromancer days.
Listening to Dune- yes, don't laugh, this is my first time. I will buy it in paper, I just wanted to close my eyes on the plane.

In mid "The Way of Kings" so far pretty good, although my tiny iPhone screen is making me miss the cool illustrations. Rrrrr. All in all the characterization is coming off slightly better than the Mistborns which quickly soured for me after the first book.

@ Sandikal: Have fun in Anathem- I love love love that book. I think I read it four times back to back just to absorb it all. It brought back all my high school science nerd geekiness and then some. Some books just resonate for me.

Ok. I am at work and had better go back to other things. Just have been wanting to update.

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Reply #1466 on: October 01, 2010, 01:40:48 AM
The God Engines by John Scalzi
Tasty but dark.  Short, though, so even if you don't dig it, it's over pretty quickly.  Some fascinating concepts that last just long enough to be interesting and didn't overstay their welcome (as they very well might have if the book had spent a lot of time harping on them).  I consider it a good thing if I finish a book feeling like I didn't get quite enough story in the fictional universe. 

The Girl with Glass Feet by Ali Shaw
A first novel from a guy no one's ever heard of.  Pretentious and overblown in parts, but with some good meaty symbolism and periodically beautiful writing, plus an interesting premise.  Pretty typical example of what daikaisho calls "lit-fic" magical realism.  I enjoyed it enough to read to the end, which isn't a guarantee by any stretch these days.  Didn't even have to start skimming like I did to get through Boneshaker.  Mostly I'm angry because the jerk is a year younger than me and already has a novel published.

Bright-Sided by Barbara Ehrenreich
I enjoyed "Nickeled and Dimed."  This one wasn't as interesting, mostly because she didn't have much in the way of proof or analysis; just a lot of history and some opinion.  I'd give it a pass if you're not already a fan.  Still, if you were feeling fed up with prosperity gospel nonsense and "self-help" books that promise the world, it's a nice bit of cathartic ripping and tearing.



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Reply #1467 on: October 01, 2010, 02:30:48 PM
Taking a break from the Bible... the book of Numbers is like the camping section in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: a long tedious interlude between more interesting events.

So I'm rereading Harry Potter and the Halfwit Prince, having finally seen the movie last weekend.

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Reply #1468 on: October 01, 2010, 03:49:52 PM
Taking a break from the Bible... the book of Numbers is like the camping section in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: a long tedious interlude between more interesting events.

So I'm rereading Harry Potter and the Halfwit Prince, having finally seen the movie last weekend.

Oh, come on. Deathly Hallows during the camping bits was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more interesting  :)
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Reply #1469 on: October 01, 2010, 09:47:05 PM
Taking a break from the Bible... the book of Numbers is like the camping section in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: a long tedious interlude between more interesting events.

So I'm rereading Harry Potter and the Halfwit Prince, having finally seen the movie last weekend.

Oh, come on. Deathly Hallows during the camping bits was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more interesting  :)

Point taken, but overly long and tedious nevertheless. I know what part of the forthcoming film needs to hit the cutting room floor...

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Reply #1470 on: October 02, 2010, 01:00:26 AM
Taking a break from the Bible... the book of Numbers is like the camping section in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: a long tedious interlude between more interesting events.

Y'know, the OT doesn't need to be read in sequence. (Well, not all of it anyway). Try Ruth or Ezra for something with a bit of story. Or dip into the Psalms -- there's some truly beautiful language and imagery in there.


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Reply #1471 on: October 02, 2010, 02:15:44 AM
Taking a break from the Bible... the book of Numbers is like the camping section in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: a long tedious interlude between more interesting events.

Y'know, the OT doesn't need to be read in sequence. (Well, not all of it anyway). Try Ruth or Ezra for something with a bit of story. Or dip into the Psalms -- there's some truly beautiful language and imagery in there.

Don't do too much Psalms at once, though.  It all starts running together after a while.  (Also, Proverbs.  Read that like, a verse at a time in between chapters of the rest of the books, because holy crap is there a lot of random stuff in Proverbs.)



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Reply #1472 on: October 02, 2010, 05:38:06 AM
Taking a break from the Bible... the book of Numbers is like the camping section in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: a long tedious interlude between more interesting events.

Y'know, the OT doesn't need to be read in sequence. (Well, not all of it anyway). Try Ruth or Ezra for something with a bit of story. Or dip into the Psalms -- there's some truly beautiful language and imagery in there.

I think the Pentateuch is meant to be read as a complete work though; there's a narrative thread in there.

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Reply #1473 on: October 02, 2010, 08:45:26 AM
I think the Pentateuch is meant to be read as a complete work though; there's a narrative thread in there.

Of course. And the things like, 1st and 2nd Samuel, 1st and 2nd Kings, 1st and 2nd Chronicles, etc.


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Reply #1474 on: October 02, 2010, 04:21:38 PM
I think the Pentateuch is meant to be read as a complete work though; there's a narrative thread in there.

Of course. And the things like, 1st and 2nd Samuel, 1st and 2nd Kings, 1st and 2nd Chronicles, etc.

Honestly, I'd just skip Numbers and Deuteronomy.  They're mostly bunches of lists and laws.  Once you get to Joshua through 2 Chronicles, you get a bunch of really good, interesting stories.  I especially like the story of Deborah.  I think she appears early on in Judges.  (I'm not one of those Christians who can recite chapter and verse on much of anything.)  I would recommend reading the New Testament before tackling the Old Testament prophets, but go ahead and read Daniel and Jonah at any time. 

StePH, since you're reading the Bible to read what most Christians haven't read, I would suggest you head over to the New Testament right now.  Then, head back to Deuteronomy.  It appalls me that so many "Christians" seem to ignore what's in the New Testament in favor of the stuff in the Old Testament.  People seem to like having a bunch of rules and regulations and being able to look down on others rather than really see what's there.  Yes, the New Testament does list homosexual behavior as a sin, but it's right alongside gossip and judgementalism.  So many "Christians" ignore the parts that say that all people are sinners and focus on who's a bigger sinner than they are. 

By reading the New Testament before the Old Testament, you'll see what Christians are supposed to believe and how they are supposed to behave.  When you then read the Old Testament, you'll then see where a lot of the legalism comes from.

If you have the translation I think you have, it's a good choice.  It's an academic translation and quite well done.  It includes the deuterocanonical or apocryphal books which are not considered scripture by Protestant churches.  The Catholics and Orthodox include them as part of the Bible, but not as a source of doctrine.  They were the books that were considered kind of iffy when the early Church was trying to put together the collection of books that eventually became the Bible.  The History Channel had a really good special a few years ago called "The Banned Books of the Bible" that talked about the books that ended up not being included.

Sorry for going on so long.  I get carried away with Bible history.  Even for those who aren't Christian, the Bible is such an important book on a literary and cultural level.   By reading it, you gain a better understanding of later literature.  I sometimes wonder if Moses and the children of Israel's wandering in the desert for 40 years was the basis of the modern fantasy epic.  It's got all the elements.