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on: August 15, 2009, 07:08:52 AM
Just got back, here are some fresh impressions (I'll have more to say when I've let it mull)...

I won't say it was perfect, and I doubt it'll end up on my "great films of all time" list.  There were a few things I took issue with -- namely, I think it was a terrible editorial decision to subtitle anyone speaking English with the vaguest hint of an accent (I take it back, there were some white characters with pretty thick Afrikaans accents, and as far as I recall none of them got subbed).

All that said, it was great.  It was mostly another popcorn special-effects action film, but a really good one, and best of all an original one (if you frequent this board you likely saw my recent post about this).  For my blood it could have spent a little more time probing the sociopolitical questions raised by the aliens' situation and a little less on the somewhat drawn-out climactic action sequence, but I'm fully willing to admit that I'm weird that way.

What did you think?



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Reply #1 on: August 15, 2009, 07:27:07 AM
haha, i got back about an hour ago from seeing it.  and i gotta say, i agree 100% with everything you just said.

the main character kinda pissed me off, i didnt like him, and i couldnt have cared less what ended up happening to him...
midway through the movie i didnt feel like seeing it, however it promptly got better... i duno the middle just bored me...

the most painful part about that movie tho was looking at the wonderful effects and CGI and thinking "that could be the Halo movie.... that gun could be a plasma rifle..."

loved the popcorn special effects tho! my GOD it made me squeal with delight!

all in all, good movie, much fun, worth seeing, but not anything that will stick with anyone.

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Reply #2 on: August 31, 2009, 03:30:29 AM
I thought this was a freakin' awesome film. Awesome. It's so long since I've been to the movies and been surprised by what happens. It could have gone anywhere after the first 15 minutes... and it did! The main character was acted really well, you really felt he was just a little guy way, way out of his depth. Sure he was annoying, but he was meant to be.

And the effects -- so well integrated it's only after the movie I wondered how they did stuff. The aliens, you just felt they were there, no question about whether they were CG or whatever. Fantastic.

4/5 stars for me.


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Reply #3 on: August 31, 2009, 01:49:56 PM
I enjoyed this movie a lot.

In regards to the main character - the point was not to create a hero, which is why there was a lot to dislike, but just a guy, trying to do his job and getting screwed.

Although he did come through with some moments of heroism towards the end.



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Reply #4 on: September 15, 2009, 03:38:00 AM
I thought this was a freakin' awesome film. Awesome. It's so long since I've been to the movies and been surprised by what happens. It could have gone anywhere after the first 15 minutes... and it did! The main character was acted really well, you really felt he was just a little guy way, way out of his depth. Sure he was annoying, but he was meant to be.

And the effects -- so well integrated it's only after the movie I wondered how they did stuff. The aliens, you just felt they were there, no question about whether they were CG or whatever. Fantastic.

4/5 stars for me.

Agreed.  Might have to see it again.

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Reply #5 on: September 15, 2009, 07:23:58 AM
Even though usually I get tired of seeing this kind of thing, in this movie I really enjoyed the use of news footage mock-ups.  There was so much in them that was deliberately reminiscent, visually, of the kind of unstable areas you often see on the real news, so I thought it did a good job of adding to the verisimilitude.

As for the protagonist -- granted I have a softer spot than most for a mean protagonist, but I think the writer nailed what he was going for here.  This guy is no better or worse than the rest of the human race -- he's on board with the eviction scam, and despite his reaction against bringing more ammo than food, if you listen closely he says some pretty nasty stuff about the aliens under his breath when they're going door to door.  But basically he's "just doing his job", and a dangerous one at that.  Okay, and he's not that good at it -- he's an average schmoe.

Missing from the picture, I think, is the element of the human race which would be more benevolently studying these creatures and their culture, even though it had to exist or how could anyone have learned to understand the aliens when they talk?  (I know, they've got Babel Fish in their ears.)



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Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 10:03:05 AM
Even though usually I get tired of seeing this kind of thing, in this movie I really enjoyed the use of news footage mock-ups.  There was so much in them that was deliberately reminiscent, visually, of the kind of unstable areas you often see on the real news, so I thought it did a good job of adding to the verisimilitude.

As for the protagonist -- granted I have a softer spot than most for a mean protagonist, but I think the writer nailed what he was going for here.  This guy is no better or worse than the rest of the human race -- he's on board with the eviction scam, and despite his reaction against bringing more ammo than food, if you listen closely he says some pretty nasty stuff about the aliens under his breath when they're going door to door.  But basically he's "just doing his job", and a dangerous one at that.  Okay, and he's not that good at it -- he's an average schmoe.

Missing from the picture, I think, is the element of the human race which would be more benevolently studying these creatures and their culture, even though it had to exist or how could anyone have learned to understand the aliens when they talk?  (I know, they've got Babel Fish in their ears.)

I think the point is he's meant to be an average Joe with some vague specisms against the aliens. And if you remember rightly, he was being used as a fall guy if stuff went wrong.

Anywho, I loved District 9, one of the best sci-fi movies in years. Especially as the 'hero' for the story isn't some super-bupper human, he's a flawed, normal guy trying to deal with very abnormal conditions. And honestly, I don't see how people have a problem with the special effects - to me, there better than 95% of the effects most movies so off.



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Reply #7 on: October 28, 2009, 07:30:35 PM
i thought his casual speciesism was done very well.  he was obviously an easy going guy that doesn't have any personal problems with aliens but he's picked up the attitude of the time.  the casual way he slaughters the alien nursery was just chilling, laughing at the popping sounds they make.

overall, district 9 was great.  it's been a fantastic summer for movies.

there's a theory that an economic downturn results in better movies.  probably since less disposable income means that the studios need a stronger draw to the theaters.  at the same time, movie budgets are tightened so that they need to concentrate on things like innovation & story instead of just throwing money at special effects.

that's the theory anyway.  maybe it's just trying to put a thin silver lining on a very dark cloud.



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Reply #8 on: October 28, 2009, 07:45:55 PM
i thought his casual speciesism was done very well.  he was obviously an easy going guy that doesn't have any personal problems with aliens but he's picked up the attitude of the time.  the casual way he slaughters the alien nursery was just chilling, laughing at the popping sounds they make.

overall, district 9 was great.  it's been a fantastic summer for movies.

there's a theory that an economic downturn results in better movies.  probably since less disposable income means that the studios need a stronger draw to the theaters.  at the same time, movie budgets are tightened so that they need to concentrate on things like innovation & story instead of just throwing money at special effects.

that's the theory anyway.  maybe it's just trying to put a thin silver lining on a very dark cloud.

I think Vikus was a speciesist, but managed to just barely hide it for the cameras that were filming the eviction. The reason I think that is that he always uses the term "Prawn" even when it's defined in the opening as a pejorative. Also, the scene where he cheerily has the flamethrower team torch the nursery. He also immediately gets super hostile with the aliens as soon as he's afraid and things start going downhill.

The only complaint I had was that it didn't stick to the documentary format so I was always aware of when we were in "the movie" as opposed to watching the news footage of the evacuation and I liked the way the documentary stuff was staged more.

Still, one of the best I've seen in a long time.

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Reply #9 on: October 28, 2009, 08:45:20 PM
I think Vikus was a speciesist, but managed to just barely hide it for the cameras that were filming the eviction.

The only complaint I had was that it didn't stick to the documentary format so I was always aware of when we were in "the movie" as opposed to watching the news footage of the evacuation and I liked the way the documentary stuff was staged more.

your second statement is kinda a problem for the first.  Vikus doesn't change the way he acts when he's on camera (documentary) and when he isn't (standard movie format).

most people just pick up society's prevailing attitudes.  working in the office he does, that's the way things are done.  the nursery incident was probably supposed to reflect south africa's sterilization for population control, the key point being that it's perpetrated by average people.  some people have genuine malice or fear for other races but the biggest problems are the average people that go along because it's socially expected of them.

it's like germans at auschwitz.  it'd be a lot easier to dismiss everyone there as insanely racist, having a completely evil mindset a world of distance from the people we meet from day to day.  it's tough to accept just how similar we all are, whether racist or not.



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Reply #10 on: October 28, 2009, 08:52:56 PM
I think Vikus was a speciesist, but managed to just barely hide it for the cameras that were filming the eviction.

The only complaint I had was that it didn't stick to the documentary format so I was always aware of when we were in "the movie" as opposed to watching the news footage of the evacuation and I liked the way the documentary stuff was staged more.

your second statement is kinda a problem for the first.  Vikus doesn't change the way he acts when he's on camera (documentary) and when he isn't (standard movie format).

most people just pick up society's prevailing attitudes.  working in the office he does, that's the way things are done.  the nursery incident was probably supposed to reflect south africa's sterilization for population control, the key point being that it's perpetrated by average people.  some people have genuine malice or fear for other races but the biggest problems are the average people that go along because it's socially expected of them.

it's like germans at auschwitz.  it'd be a lot easier to dismiss everyone there as insanely racist, having a completely evil mindset a world of distance from the people we meet from day to day.  it's tough to accept just how similar we all are, whether racist or not.

I thought he did. When he was on camera for the "documentary" he was very careful to speak to the Prawns like he was speak to a very slow child. "Here, this is an eviction notice... District 10, very nice... Just put your slash here, yes thank you Mr... um... Smith?" but as soon as the cameras were off, or he encountered something unexpected (like the black liquid) he was as bad as anyone else "fucking Prawns!..." etc.

And admittedly seeing that in the "movie" parts was less jarring than seeing him break that veneer of civility in the documentary parts. I also know that this was an analog to the way Apartheid was, I've been around long enough to remember the news stories from there during the waning years of apartheid and the De Klerk presidency.

I'd even go on to say that he never really changes as a person on the "inside" until he's completely changed on the outside.

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