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on: September 01, 2009, 01:56:51 AM
Wasn't sure if this belonged in a sf thread (Superheros/Borg-like Disney), A horror thread (will all marvel movies be stuck at PG-13), Those we lost in 2009, or what so giving it its own thread in Gallimaufry.


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Reply #1 on: September 01, 2009, 02:40:31 AM
Nothing good can come of this. Nothing.
Unless you're Matt Murdock. What do you want to bet that Daredevil will get a wise-cracking street kid sidekick and stop being so bloody depressed all the time.  Probably get a hot new girlfriend who isn't even addicted to heroin. 



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Reply #2 on: September 01, 2009, 03:25:36 AM
People call Microsoft "the evil empire".  I think Disney's more deserving of that title.

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Reply #3 on: September 01, 2009, 03:35:03 AM
Two words:

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Reply #4 on: September 01, 2009, 04:20:04 AM
People call Microsoft "the evil empire".  I think Disney's more deserving of that title.
Agreed, for their Cultural Imperialism and Cultural Appropriation sins alone.

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Reply #5 on: September 01, 2009, 04:52:42 AM
odd... i heard this somewhere else today and i thought it was on this board but apparently not...
either way...

my question is: what happens to Universal? (as in the theme park)  They have all the Marvel character based rides...

I'd like to hear my options, so I could weigh them, what do you say?
Five pounds?  Six pounds? Seven pounds?


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Reply #6 on: September 01, 2009, 05:44:21 AM
odd... i heard this somewhere else today and i thought it was on this board but apparently not...
either way...

my question is: what happens to Universal? (as in the theme park)  They have all the Marvel character based rides...

Existing contracts must be honored.  If disney doesn't want them to have the chacters, they're going to have to pay Universal to take the signs down.  After the contract is over, Universal will have to pay Disney or take down every sign and decoration that is under Marvel copy-right.

Edit:  I have never been to a(the?) Universal theme park, so I have no idea what percentage of the attractions we're talking about.
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Reply #7 on: September 01, 2009, 05:32:21 PM
I...I used to work for Disney...

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Reply #8 on: September 01, 2009, 06:07:58 PM
Eh, I'm not really bothered about this as much as some other people seem to be. I appreciate a lot of what Joe Quesada did initially (everything with Daredevil, hiring Grant Morrison to write the X-Men, etc.) but he really messed up in a lot of other areas. coughBrandNewDaycough. So it's not like Marvel hasn't created a bunch of stupidity all on their own.

Also, I can think of a single great original superhero property that Marvel's put out in the last 20 years: Runaways. So here's hoping Disney will inspire Marvel to do more original stuff somehow. Hey, maybe Marvel will actually try and create comics more females will want to read. I really don't know, but I tend to think it won't be all that bad just because Disney is involved.

odd... i heard this somewhere else today and i thought it was on this board but apparently not...
either way...

my question is: what happens to Universal? (as in the theme park)  They have all the Marvel character based rides...

Existing contracts must be honored.  If disney doesn't want them to have the chacters, they're going to have to pay Universal to take the signs down.  After the contract is over, Universal will have to pay Disney or take down every sign and decoration that is under Marvel copy-right.

Edit:  I have never been to a(the?) Universal theme park, so I have no idea what percentage of the attractions we're talking about.

I'm having a hard time thinking of any Marvel attractions at Universal Studios Hollywood. Although I think there's some kind of Marvel theme park in Florida.

But dudes, maybe Disneyland will make Marveland! Or House of Ideas! Or something cool where I can go and hang out with superheroes.

And maybe we'll finally get that X-Babies movie I've been waiting my whole life for...


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Reply #9 on: September 02, 2009, 12:44:54 PM
People are getting all bent out of shape over nothing.  It's unlikely to have any significant impact on the comics, at least in the short term.  They almost certainly bought the company for other, more lucrative exploitation.  Once the current contract expires, it's almost certain they won't even negotiate with Universal for the parks, and all films will be brought in-house.

Disney is a corporation.  The idea of any guiding principle to its content, good or bad, is a thing of the past.  Miramax does plenty of adult-oriented, kid-inappropriate films.  Even ABC Family, which sounds like it should be kiddie fare, is full of gay characters, pregnant teens, and underage drinking without the usual PSA lectures on the evils of alcohol.

If something adult gets negative press, Disney may shut it down, but other than that, if Marvel turns a profit, I doubt they could care less what the publishing arm does.

The biggest impact will probably be that Disney will probably not give a rat's ass about giving Marvel writers and editors input on the films, so the creative gestalt that produced the brilliant Iron Man film will probably fall by the wayside.



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Reply #10 on: September 02, 2009, 01:56:54 PM
as long as disney keeps punisher from ever being tried as a movie again i will be somewhat happy.  I think in large part because i find Punisher comics meh at best.  But also a Punisher movie always becomes a revenge shootem' up fest which has been done before else where, at least 10 times better.  If you want a good story of revenge, O'barr's The Crow is probably best graphic novel out there.  I like the movie too.  The first one.  The sequels are much like the matrix and Highlander sequels.  I will pretend they don't exist.  Planet Geist indeed!


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Reply #11 on: September 02, 2009, 04:56:25 PM
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I...I used to work for Disney...

Oh, you poor thing.  I used to work for Marvel.  At least they were just inept and indifferent.
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Reply #12 on: September 02, 2009, 05:05:53 PM
The sequels are much like the matrix and Highlander sequels.  I will pretend they don't exist.  Planet Geist indeed!

Don't know what you are talking about.  There weren't any Highlander sequels.  Trust me.



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Reply #13 on: September 02, 2009, 05:40:25 PM
Think of the opportunities.  Marvel has always been known for its heroes fighting each other:

Wasp vs. Tinkerbell
Uncle Scrooge vs. Howard the Duck
Aladin's Genie vs. Impossible Man
Ant-man vs. Jiminey Cricket
Beast vs. Beast
Malificent vs. Dr. Strange
Power Pack vs. the Seven Dwarves
Little Mermaid's King Triton vs. The Sub-Mariner
Lockheed vs. Pete's Dragon
Hercules vs. Hercules
Tarzan vs. Ka-Zar
Tigra vs. Shere Kahn
Buzz Lightyear vs. Silver Surfer

and I'm sure there are many, many more...
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Reply #14 on: September 02, 2009, 08:24:03 PM
Disney is a corporation.  The idea of any guiding principle to its content, good or bad, is a thing of the past.  Miramax does plenty of adult-oriented, kid-inappropriate films.  Even ABC Family, which sounds like it should be kiddie fare, is full of gay characters, pregnant teens, and underage drinking without the usual PSA lectures on the evils of alcohol.
That's precisely the point.  In pursuing a greater stream of revenue, Disney is likely to churn out a product that alienates the original fan base.  It may be appealling to more people, but less appealing to the people that have supported the brand for the last few decades.  For example: Star Wars Episode 4, everything Metallica did after "...and Justice for All," every SF movie Will Smith has been in, etc.  Without a guiding principle of "make a quality product," you get a bland product aimed at the lowest common denominator.



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Reply #15 on: September 02, 2009, 11:32:00 PM
Um, Pixar? Miramax?

Sure, for every Pirates of the Carribean, they have a Haunted Mansion, but that doesn't negate that when they get something right, they really get it right.

Disney can do fine producing quality entertainment when they want to, even if they're not headlining something their own names, but one of their subdivisions.


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Reply #16 on: September 03, 2009, 02:58:05 AM
I hated Pirates of the Carribean. Worst thing Depp ever did.



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Reply #17 on: September 03, 2009, 04:01:56 AM
I hated Pirates of the Carribean. Worst thing Depp ever did.

I enjoyed the first one, the second was okay.  the third one while having a lot of gorgeous photography just wasn't very good.

Something about 3 strikes your out?  Shrek one and two, great, shrek 3 almost destroyed the series, and any of the direct to DVD shrek movies will make you wish you had never heard of Shrek.  Spiderman 1 and 2 good; Spiderman 3 ugh emo spiderman wtf! That was the year for horrible sequels.  shrek 3, Spidey3 and Pirate 3, 3 strikes, hollywood can't make sequels.


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Reply #18 on: September 03, 2009, 06:01:52 AM
I hated Pirates of the Carribean. Worst thing Depp ever did.

That's the truth.  This film seriously sucked.  I thought Depp's acting was interesting, but that's kind of like having a good piece of roast beef on a shit sandwich.



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Reply #19 on: September 03, 2009, 06:24:07 AM
Something about 3 strikes your out?  Shrek one and two, great, shrek 3 almost destroyed the series, and any of the direct to DVD shrek movies will make you wish you had never heard of Shrek.  Spiderman 1 and 2 good; Spiderman 3 ugh emo spiderman wtf! That was the year for horrible sequels.  shrek 3, Spidey3 and Pirate 3, 3 strikes, hollywood can't make sequels.

But you have to admit, Star Trek 3 was a work of genius. And Matrix Revolutions.


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Reply #20 on: September 03, 2009, 08:58:55 AM
Something about 3 strikes your out?  Shrek one and two, great, shrek 3 almost destroyed the series, and any of the direct to DVD shrek movies will make you wish you had never heard of Shrek.  Spiderman 1 and 2 good; Spiderman 3 ugh emo spiderman wtf! That was the year for horrible sequels.  shrek 3, Spidey3 and Pirate 3, 3 strikes, hollywood can't make sequels.

But you have to admit, Star Trek 3 was a work of genius. And Matrix Revolutions.

God, I hope that was irony.  Please, let it be irony.



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Reply #21 on: September 03, 2009, 10:12:43 AM
Even way down here in Aus, we have irony.

But WAS I being ironic?

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Reply #22 on: September 03, 2009, 01:15:21 PM
That's precisely the point.  In pursuing a greater stream of revenue, Disney is likely to churn out a product that alienates the original fan base.

That's not the point of most of the alarmist posts I've seen in various places.  The point of most of those is the assumption that Disney was going to kiddify the books.

If you don't think Marvel is already pumping out books based on a corporate mentality rather than a creative vision, I have bad news for you.

And again, I sincerely doubt Disney will even bother making changes to the publishing arm as long as things continue to go well, simply because it's not important enough.

There is a fascinating piece by brilliant industry observer Steven Grant in this week's Permanent Damage column at www.comicbookresources.com.  He has the most balanced, nuanced analysis of the situation I've seen yet.



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Reply #23 on: September 03, 2009, 01:41:22 PM
Something about 3 strikes your out?  Shrek one and two, great, shrek 3 almost destroyed the series, and any of the direct to DVD shrek movies will make you wish you had never heard of Shrek.  Spiderman 1 and 2 good; Spiderman 3 ugh emo spiderman wtf! That was the year for horrible sequels.  shrek 3, Spidey3 and Pirate 3, 3 strikes, hollywood can't make sequels.

But you have to admit, Star Trek 3 was a work of genius. And Matrix Revolutions.

What is this Matrix Revolutions you speak of?  There was only one Matrix Movie, Only one Highlander Movie, Only one sequel to Alien, and only 3 star wars movies, A new hope, the Empire strikes back, and return of the jedi, which again as a 3rd movie wasn't as good as the previous two.


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Reply #24 on: September 03, 2009, 01:47:40 PM
But you have to admit, Star Trek 3 was a work of genius. And Matrix Revolutions.

I don't have to admit that at all.  I won't.


What is this Matrix Revolutions you speak of?  There was only one Matrix Movie, Only one Highlander Movie, Only one sequel to Alien, and only 3 star wars movies, A new hope, the Empire strikes back, and return of the jedi, which again as a 3rd movie wasn't as good as the previous two.
One Dune novel (Herbert never wrote any sequels, and his son certainly never dug up the corpse to go through its pockets).  Three Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy novels.  And I'm still waiting for THHGttG to be made into a movie.

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